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lookatme :) 00:25
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timotimo .tell rindolf fwiw, the euler 287 program when slightly modified to be valid nqp code runs in 1:13.8, which is almost 45s faster than perl6 with only minor code differences 00:44
yoleaux timotimo: I'll pass your message to rindolf.
El_Che timotimo, the resident microoptimizer :) 00:45
timotimo sorry about that :\
El_Che no, it's interesting
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timotimo oh, look, it's doing the thing again where it does all arithmetic as nums 00:47
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buggable New CPAN upload: Memoize-0.0.2.tar.gz by ELIZABETH modules.perl6.org/dist/Memoize:cpan:ELIZABETH 01:02
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buggable New CPAN upload: Sparrowdo-0.0.38.tar.gz by MELEZHIK modules.perl6.org/dist/Sparrowdo:cpan:MELEZHIK 02:52
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buggable New CPAN upload: P5chdir-0.0.4.tar.gz by ELIZABETH modules.perl6.org/dist/P5chdir:cpan:ELIZABETH 04:22
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AlexDaniel squashable6: next 05:11
squashable6 AlexDaniel, ⚠🍕 Next SQUASHathon in 1 day and ≈4 hours (2018-06-02 UTC-12⌁UTC+14). See github.com/rakudo/rakudo/wiki/Mont...Squash-Day
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buggable New CPAN upload: Sparrowdo-0.0.39.tar.gz by MELEZHIK modules.perl6.org/dist/Sparrowdo:cpan:MELEZHIK 05:32
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jmerelo o/ 06:20
yoleaux 30 May 2018 20:45Z <El_Che> jmerelo: < mrdside> jmerelo: i found this - docs.perl6.org/type/Encoding
jmerelo .tell mrdside right; you would have to implement something that mixes the Encoding role. 06:21
yoleaux jmerelo: I'll pass your message to mrdside.
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Geth doc: eed1918137 | (JJ Merelo)++ | xt/word-variants.t
Rewrites test to use actual regexes

Also adds "zero width" → zero-width. Closes 2041.		 07:02
doc: 266d9f0cdd | (JJ Merelo)++ | 2 files
Adds file system → filesystem
doc: 1fdc6ed2a8 | (JJ Merelo)++ | 8 files
Extensive word substitution and reflow
doc: 1b0518bfc3 | (JJ Merelo)++ | xt/word-variants.t
Puts correct explanation closes #2041
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Voldenet That may be a silly question, but how do I add a day to a date with local timezone? 07:17
and I'm not sure why dates don't have a timezone
It matters a little bit, because some countries might have skipped a day or two, but I guess it's possible to use DateTime everywhere 07:20
but in-timezone doesn't actually accept a timezone, which is even more confusing, it accepts a number 07:21
jmerelo Voldenet: hum. Not sure I understand you.
Let's rewind. You have an Instant, a DateTime or a Date? 07:22
Voldenet I have a string-formatted date and need to get a utc timestamp of previous and next day 07:23
jmerelo Voldenet: the TZ is somewhere else, right? Or you have something like 2015-12-24T12:23:00+0200 07:25
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jmerelo Voldenet: you can convert the date to UTC and then simply add or substract one day. There are all these methods to add/substract offset docs.perl6.org/type/DateTime#method_timezone 07:26
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Voldenet hm, but adding a day to utc timestamp will lose the repeating hours 07:26
made by dst changes 07:27
I like how the day can have 23 or 25 hours thanks to that, it makes my life easier and better :D
and obviously, this is wrong: DateTime.now.later(days => 200).say
in CEST it returns a date that's one hour too late 07:28
jmerelo Voldenet: but DST changes by country, even by state
Voldenet Yes! That's why we have timezones :P
jmerelo Voldenet: it's difficult to put that into a core module. 07:29
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jmerelo Voldenet: DST actually changes the TZ. 07:30
TEttinger 200 days and a move cross-country
Voldenet It changes the offset, but the TZ remains Europe/Berlin for example 07:31
TEttinger 200 days and in that time venezuela changes their timezone by 15 minutes
Voldenet ...I think, I'm not sure
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jmerelo Voldenet: it's because in Europe all the TZ changes DST at the same time. 07:31
Voldenet: I seem to remember Arizona is, depending on DST, either in Pacific or Rocky Mountains time. 07:32
Voldenet good heavens...
jmerelo Voldenet: eu.azcentral.com/story/travel/2017.../98639074/
So you need additional information besides TZ to take DST into account. 07:33
Voldenet: it's even worse, because inside Arizona, the actual time will depend on whether you are inside a Navajo or Hopi reservation. 07:34
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jmerelo Voldenet: you should visit Arizona. Beautiful country, if somewhat wacky re: clocks and time. 07:35
donpdonp 'store all dates as utc, apply timezone tweaks for display. 07:36
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Voldenet I really wonder why tz db doesn't have America/Arizona and how do people in IT deal with this issue 07:36
mrdside hi. i asked tomorrow about new encoding. i found this - docs.perl6.org/type/Encoding and this - github.com/tony-o/perl6-encoding-h...an/PP6.pm6 . but i can't find information about 'Encoding::Decoder' 07:38
yoleaux 06:21Z <jmerelo> mrdside: right; you would have to implement something that mixes the Encoding role.
jmerelo mrdside: it's a method you have to override docs.perl6.org/type/Encoding#method_decoder 07:39
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Voldenet meh, for now I'll just add 86400 to a timestamp and hope nobody notices :) 07:41
mrdside i should define class, that doing role Encoding with overrid there four methods. and what about 'Encoding::Registry'?
lookatme I make a binding of libiconv currently 07:42
It seems work now, but have not publish on CPAN 07:43
github.com/araraloren/perl6-libiconv
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Voldenet hm, last time I checked, Blob.decode did not use the encoding registry, but it was some time ago 07:47
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Geth doc: 7d8b76a755 | (JJ Merelo)++ | 2 files
Revising Str.match, subst and subst-mutate.

  * All match adverbs and cases are mentioned.
  * All subst adverbs are also mentioned in its own place. I have
   changed the ordering of the sections.
  * subst-mutate is linked from subst.
So I would say the concerns of #919 have been adressed. Closes #919.
  (some minor reflow in this and faq file too)		 07:56
Voldenet mrdside: this more or less how it's used, but .decode method just won't even peek into the registry: ix.io/Mi6 08:02
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mrdside Voldenet: thx. Unknown string encoding: 'custom' in block <unit> at decoder.p6 line 40 08:25
Voldenet I know, right?
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pmurias hi 08:25
mrdside p6: say 'Hi!'; 08:27
camelia Hi!
mrdside p6: ix.io/Mi6
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Confused
at <tmp>:1
------> 3http:7⏏5//ix.io/Mi6
expecting any of:
colon pair
Voldenet mrdside: ix.io/1bTH this is the solution I came up with 08:28
I guess it's far from elegant
and I guess there's a bug in it 08:30
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mrdside Voldenet: looks pretty nice, thanks 08:33
Voldenet (I've used @state instead of @!state)
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Voldenet And it has a huge problem: when decode is used internally (socket), you'll need to use bytes 08:38
mrdside Voldenet: i need read file with specific encoding 08:42
like 'my $fh = open "data.txt", enc => "custom";' 08:43
Voldenet It just won't work. :)
mrdside :)
Voldenet (maybe it can work, but I'm doing something wrong)
mrdside Voldenet: anyway thanks a lot 08:44
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Voldenet Oh, I might've been wrong 08:51
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Voldenet mrdside: I'm taking that "it won't work" back, because it actually does work ix.io/1bTP 08:55
apparently, some methods use decoders properly
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Geth doc: 9f2cdfe13e | (JJ Merelo)++ | 2 files
Some reflow and rephrasing following @b2gills' advice
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doc: 4c75cd95ab | (JJ Merelo)++ | doc/Language/regexes.pod6
Improved backtracking example closes #629
synopsebot Link: doc.perl6.org/language/regexes
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Geth doc: e9de3277ba | (JJ Merelo)++ | 4 files
Un-reflows to put L links in the same line
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doc: 546102f55a | (JJ Merelo)++ | doc/Language/packages.pod6
Expands confusing name lookup examples

And fixes some of them. Closes #969
synopsebot Link: doc.perl6.org/language/packages
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AlexDaniel squashable6: next 10:52
squashable6 AlexDaniel, ⚠🍕 Next SQUASHathon in ≈23 hours (2018-06-02 UTC-12⌁UTC+14). See github.com/rakudo/rakudo/wiki/Mont...Squash-Day
Geth doc: 469bdb40ba | (JJ Merelo)++ | doc/Programs/03-environment-variables.pod6
Adds documentation on environment variables.

This would go towards solving #949. It's a page adapted from the Rakudo one, which is linked, along with author attribution.
doc: 3de171f8a5 | (JJ Merelo)++ | doc/Programs/03-environment-variables.pod6
Adds more env vars from the wiki by @masterduke17

This would close #949.
jmerelo Today is my last "official" day with the TPF grant. The number of issues is down to 175, which fill only 7 pages of issues. I'm kinda stopping solving issues for today, and focus a bit more on the report. 10:56
El_Che jmerelo: 🍕 for you! 10:57
:)
jmerelo I'm gonna stick around, but will decrease the time devoted to this. Also I'll try to focus on more complicated, "big" issues, as well as try to respond ASAP to new issues 10:58
AlexDaniel cool
jmerelo El_Che: thanks.
AlexDaniel El_Che: no! That pizza was reserved for the squashathon!
:)
jmerelo AlexDaniel: here, have it back :-) 10:59
AlexDaniel nah don't worry, we'll order fresh ones for tomorrow :D
jmerelo AlexDaniel: :-)
El_Che AlexDaniel: it's probably Hawaii, half of the people hate it 11:02
there will be some leftovers :)
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Geth doc: ismailarilik++ created pull request #2084:
Add missing right paranthesis		 11:42
doc: d0c4d01508 | (İsmail Arılık)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | doc/Language/glossary.pod6
Add missing right paranthesis
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doc: 51e0943728 | (Juan Julián Merelo Guervós)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | doc/Language/glossary.pod6
Merge pull request #2084 from ismailarilik/patch-1

Add missing right paranthesis That's awesome. Thanks!
synopsebot Link: doc.perl6.org/language/glossary
jmerelo Well, this is something I wanted to look at: perl6/doc file entropy fusiontables.google.com/data?docid...rtnew:id=3 11:49
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jmerelo It reflects the amount of "information" different files have, as in the number of different authors and variety of collaboration 11:50
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El_Che perl6 domains look to be down 11:52
jmerelo The main one?
Ulti not for me
El_Che yes 11:53
weird
it's back
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jmerelo An article on author entropy just in case someone is interested. scholarsarchive.byu.edu/cgi/viewco...ext=facpub 11:59
El_Che bookmarked 12:00
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Geth doc: ismailarilik++ created pull request #2085:
Fix a typo		 12:17
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jmerelo Here's the hall of fame of the files with the highest number of authors raw.githubusercontent.com/JJ/TPF-G...dified.png in perl6/doc 12:28
Can you guess without looking at the chart? It's a tie, actually.
And here's the top 20 authors with the highest number of modified files github.com/JJ/TPF-Grant/blob/maste...dified.png That one is easier to guess. 12:29
A factoid: there are ~1300 files in the repo, some 400 of them have been modified by a single author. All this data is in the TPF repo, of course. raw.githubusercontent.com/JJ/TPF-Grant/ 12:30
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jmerelo He, and I just realized there's .DS_Store (or was) in the repo... 12:31
El_Che raw.githubusercontent.com/JJ/TPF-Grant <-- err 400 12:32
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jmerelo Sorry: correct address https:/github.com/JJ/TPF-Grant/ 12:35
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jmerelo There are actually only 452 files now, actually. 12:36
Geth doc: c7eb3227b6 | (Aleks-Daniel Jakimenko-Aleksejev)++ | doc/Type/Supply.pod6
Rewrite rakudo-specific note

Normally implementation-specific things are not documented, but in this particular case we can prevent a lot of banging against a wall by mentioning some known issues. In this case the behavior has changed quite a bit so IMO it's a worthy mention.
See issue #1486 for more info on docs vs implementation-specific notes.
synopsebot Link: doc.perl6.org/type/Supply
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AlexDaniel good job AlexDaniel, talking about a releases that do not exist yet :) 12:37
s/a//
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Geth doc: 46f4ac6099 | (Will "Coke" Coleda)++ | README.pt.md
whitespace
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doc: 9e1b78a730 | (Will "Coke" Coleda)++ | doc/Type/IO/Path.pod6
fix compilation
synopsebot Link: doc.perl6.org/type/IO::Path
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Geth whateverable: 2be293f0a5 | (Aleks-Daniel Jakimenko-Aleksejev)++ | 2 files
Add fragile workarounds for signal issues

More info: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/issues/1888		 12:52
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titsuki_ bisectable: use Test; is set("cat","bug"), set("bug","cat"); 13:15
bisectable6 titsuki_, On both starting points (old=2015.12 new=c80ea2f) the exit code is 0 and the output is identical as well
titsuki_, Output on both points: «ok 1 - ␤»
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Zoffix titsuki_: the bug is in that line of code :) sets are unordered and unless you stringify them with .gist or .perl (pending RT#131244 ) you'll get them stringified as unordered. The `is` routine is not an appropriate routine to test sets. Use `is-deeply` instead. 13:57
yoleaux 30 May 2018 12:42Z <lizmat> Zoffix: re your last tweet: I would stick "@*ARGS.List.perl.say" in a script called "qw" :-)
synopsebot RT#131244 [new]: rt.perl.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=131244 Baggy/Setty .Str/.gist/.perl needs to guarantee order, like Map/Hash do
Zoffix Ah, ok, .Str is also apparently meant to be ordered. 13:58
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Zoffix titsuki_: then there are two bugs. RT#131244 and using `is` routine, as say, `set($(<foo bar>), 42)` and `["foo bar", 42]` would still have the test passing despite being wrong types and having wrong contents 13:59
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titsuki_ so I should use "is-deeply" and use data type other than set (e.g., Array) ? 14:02
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Zoffix titsuki_: you can use a set 14:03
m: use Test; is-deeply set(<a b c>), set <b c a>
camelia ok 1 -
titsuki_ Zoffix: Thanks! I see. 14:04
Zoffix m: use Test; is ["foo bar", 42], set($(<foo bar>), 42) 14:05
camelia ok 1 -
Zoffix m: use Test; is-deeply ["foo bar", 42], set($(<foo bar>), 42)
camelia not ok 1 -
# Failed test at <tmp> line 1
# expected: (42,("foo", "bar")).Set
# got: $["foo bar", 42]
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Juerd What does ,= do, and what's the usecase for that? 14:23
",=" was mentioned in #perl as the operator that push could have been. I began to wonder if Perl 6 did anything with it. It does, but it doesn't seem too useful. 14:24
In its defense @foo ,= 6; does do exactly what @foo = @foo, 6; does... 14:26
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jkramer m: my @foo = <foo bar baz>; @foo,=6; dd @foo 14:26
camelia Array @foo = ((my @Array_76155224) = [@Array_76155224, 6])
jkramer Wat
m: my @foo = <foo bar baz>; @foo,=6; .say for @foo
camelia (\Array_66713320 = [Array_66713320 6])
6
Juerd You get an array of a self-reference and the new value.
@foo is @foo[0] is @foo[0][0] is @foo[0][0][0] ad infinitum :D 14:27
jkramer Nice :D
m: my $foo = 5; $foo,=6; dd $foo
camelia List $foo = (my \List_63201824 = $(List_63201824, 6))
Juerd But am I understanding it correctly, and does it have *any* use case at all?
jkramer It's not listed in docs.perl6.org/language/operators 14:28
moritz = is a meta operator; I don't think we list all the combinations you can do with operators 14:39
+= *= /= -= etc. 14:40
AlexDaniel squashable6: next
squashable6 AlexDaniel, ⚠🍕 Next SQUASHathon in ≈19 hours (2018-06-02 UTC-12⌁UTC+14). See github.com/rakudo/rakudo/wiki/Mont...Squash-Day
jkramer Actually ,= would be quite nice and useful if it worked like .push 14:45
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Zoffix Juerd: yeah, you can combine hashes with it 14:45
m: my %h1 = <a 1 b 2>; my %h2 = <b 3 c 4>; %h1 ,= %h2; dd %h1 14:46
camelia Hash %h1 = {:a(IntStr.new(1, "1")), :b(IntStr.new(3, "3")), :c(IntStr.new(4, "4"))}
Juerd Thanks
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Zoffix m: say [] ,= 42 14:48
camelia Cannot assign to an immutable value
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
Zoffix What immutable value?
moritz m: [] = 42 14:49
camelia ( no output )
moritz m: [] = [], 42 14:50
camelia ( no output )
moritz looks like a bug to me
Zoffix Yeah, looks like the genned QAST uses assign instead p6store op
m: my @a; my @b; @a ,= @b 14:51
camelia ( no output )
Zoffix m: my @a; my @b; @a [R,]= @b
camelia Cannot assign to an immutable value
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
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Zoffix R#1890 14:52
synopsebot R#1890 [open]: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/issues/1890 [codegen] Bad codegen with `,=` meta op
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[Coke] docs - what is the purpose of the multi-lingual readmes when we force everyone to generate docs in english atm? 15:21
is the thought that this is a precursor to getting docs in multiple languages? 15:22
AlexDaniel I wondered this too 15:24
but interestingly people are so eager to contribute this 15:25
which is great
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[Coke] aye 16:02
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lucasb moritz quote at the end of the README also gets translated to other languages. This is funny 16:13
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jmerelo o/ 16:14
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lucasb hola 16:15
jmerelo Buenas :-) 16:16
This question is still unanswered (sorta) in SO: stackoverflow.com/questions/506110...-multi-sig Any idea? 16:17
moritz lucasb: somebody wanted a "vision statement" from me to know what goes into the doc repo; it kinda makes sense to translate that 16:20
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Geth ¦ doc: coke self-assigned Sharing Pod 6 caches github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1952 17:30
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AlexDaniel .seen jstruder 17:58
yoleaux I haven't seen jstruder around.
AlexDaniel .seen jstuder
yoleaux I saw jstuder 1 Apr 2018 15:51Z in #perl6-dev: <jstuder> yeah, don't understand why it would be performing that op on the iterator itself though
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lizmat AlexDaniel: yeah, he doesn't hang out online much 18:00
AlexDaniel that's ok
I'll just file a ticket :)
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jmerelo Another nice chart: open and closed issues through the history of the perl6/doc repo github.com/JJ/TPF-Grant/blob/maste...d-diff.png 18:17
Data in the usual place, the same TPF grant repo 18:18
March and April were the 2nd and 3rd with the highest number of issues open, BTW 18:19
April and May 1st and second with the highest number of issues closed.
I keep finding September'17 was a very special month. Summer 17, in general. Any idea what happened? 18:20
matzek Hello folks. I have a perl6 script which is checking links, getting A records etc. and then stores all in a postgres database. The script is working well so far. But it stores nothing in a database when it runs via cron (fbsd, PATH is set properly). Any hints? 18:22
jmerelo matzek: cron has usually got its own user. Also, possible problems with path. 18:23
timotimo it could be unable to find its necessary libraries
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matzek path is set - the job is running as root 18:24
top also shows that moar is running and consuming cpu time
timotimo that seems like a very bad idea :)
matzek there are many jobs runng as root ;)
jmerelo matzek: could be library path. You'll have to find why it's not putting anything into the database. Most likely privileges; maybe root has not privileges to update the database...
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timotimo well, if it can't find the libraries, it would probably die early throwing an exception 18:25
so perhaps that isn't what's wrong
matzek root has its own db
so i should print some debug stuff in a file first, hm 18:26
timotimo can always hook up to the moar process with gdb, "up" a few times until you're in a frame that has a tc available (for example MVM_interp_run) and then "call MVM_dump_backtrace(tc)", resume, ctrl-c, repeat
to figure out what it's doing
El_Che or do like I do and insert prints all over the place :)
timotimo can you access the prints while the program is running, or only when cron has finished and sends the mail? 18:27
El_Che cron sends a mail with the output 18:32
or you can write to a file (>) etc
lizmat jmerelo: maybe in the summer more people have time to try out fun things ? 18:39
jmerelo lizmat: who knows. That might be the case... 18:42
matzek nah, cron dont get an output..the log says just that the job has startet 18:45
lizmat: strange logic :D 18:46
jmerelo lizmat: it's only that particular month in that particular summer, though...
lizmat well, there *was* a Perl conference in Amsterdam that month :-) 18:47
jmerelo lizmat: so you think that was it? Lots of people were encouraged to try Perl 6? 18:49
lizmat I'd like to think so :-) 18:50
jmerelo lizmat: it didn't happen in the American conference, though...
matzek maybe thats the reason for perl6 :D 18:52
masak is it just me, or is Python's read-and-evaluate style of traversing a program surprisingly similar to Lisp's? 18:54
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matzek El_Che: sorry, you are right @mail :) 18:57
lizmat jmerelo: I didn't attend the American Perl Conference last year :-) 19:01
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AlexDaniel squashable6: next 19:15
squashable6 AlexDaniel, ⚠🍕 Next SQUASHathon in ≈14 hours (2018-06-02 UTC-12⌁UTC+14). See github.com/rakudo/rakudo/wiki/Mont...Squash-Day
masak m: say "pun".indent(4) # pun indented 19:18
camelia pun
masak sorry. I'm backlogging 2014, and that one was too funny not to do again in the present :P
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masak we also had one for "Girl, Interrupted" 19:19
jmerelo masak: :-)))))
masak m: for "Girl".comb { .print; last if ++(state $ ) == 2 } # interrupted
camelia Gi
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matzek omfg..it was a relative path deep in a sub :/ hell... 19:51
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Guest59250 How do you qx{...} interactively? 19:56
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matzek Guest59250: what do you mean with interactively? 19:57
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Guest59250 matzek: Output -> User Interaction -> Output 19:58
matzek dunno, maybe qqx{} fits into your needs? 20:00
AlexDaniel sounds like Proc::Async is needed
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AlexDaniel this was a nice example: my $p = Proc::Async.new: ‘less’, :w; start { sleep 2; await $p.put: “hello world $_” for ^50; sleep 3; $p.close-stdin }; react { whenever $p.start { say ‘pager closed’ } } 20:01
it is somewhat unrelated to the question, but maybe some ideas can be borrowed from it :)
Guest59250: what program are you running? And what kind of user interaction is expected? 20:02
Guest59250 AlexDaniel: qx{apt-get install ...} 20:03
matzek and you would like to give an answer .. if needed? 20:04
AlexDaniel Guest59250: ok, and by user interaction what do you mean?
Guest59250 AlexDaniel: y
El_Che apt-get install -y
Guest59250 El_Che: Not like that. 20:05
El_Che qx is not an Expect replacement
AlexDaniel El_Che: hold on
you can still bind stdin, no?
matzek is qx{} not more like shoot and forget?
uzl Hi, guys! I was reading about Polish notation and I'm wondering if I could overload the + operator to behave in the following way: 20:07
a b + => a + b
m: [+] 2, 3; 20:08
camelia Potential difficulties:
Useless use of [+] in sink context
at <tmp>:1
------> 3<BOL>7⏏5[+] 2, 3;
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uzl m: say [+] 2, 3; 20:08
camelia 5
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Guest59250 Is that RPN? 20:09
AlexDaniel Guest59250: ok, here it is 20:10
matzek AlexDaniel: you mean bind-stdin? can this be used for a "dialog" with the shell?
AlexDaniel Guest59250: my $p = Proc::Async.new: ‘apt-get’, ‘install’, ‘pidgin’, :w; react { whenever Promise.in(3) { $p.put: ‘n’ }; whenever $p.start { say ‘done’} }'
like, that's one way
let's try with bind-stdin also
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AlexDaniel here it is: my $p = Proc::Async.new: ‘apt-get’, ‘install’, ‘pidgin’; $p.bind-stdin: $*IN; react { whenever $p.start { say ‘done’ } } 20:11
El_Che: can we now declare Proc::Async to be expect replacement? :P 20:12
El_Che Expect had a very simple linear api 20:13
async tends to make your head explode :)
AlexDaniel El_Che: sounds like a great module, well volunteered 20:14
geekosaur and expect handles things that want a terminal, you need to at least do more work to make Proc::Async use a pty instead of a pipe
AlexDaniel
.oO( 6pect )
El_Che yeah, I'll add it to the plan after I finish this damn dessertation :)
AlexDaniel geekosaur: yes that's true :( 20:15
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AlexDaniel in fact I'm a bit surprised that apt-get says “Do you want to continue? [Y/n]” to a non-tty 20:15
like, who is it talking to?
geekosaur …and now you;re in trouble on windows which doesn't do ptys (and other related things, like, er, entire tty interface. which makes interactive programs idiosyncratic in general when run in batch context) 20:16
El_Che AlexDaniel: debian has a hive mind
Geth whateverable/master: 5 commits pushed by (Aleks-Daniel Jakimenko-Aleksejev)++
geekosaur iirc that's semi-deliberate. as in, they punish interactiove use in non-interactive contexts directly instead of potentially leading to nasty surprises later 20:17
AlexDaniel makes sense
geekosaur: hey, but if I do bind-stdin to $*IN, what's going to happen exactly? 20:18
will it be a simple pipe? 20:19
geekosaur depends on what it was given. by defaultg is is a pipe 20:21
bind-stdin is too late to change this
you have to plumb the process with the right thing beforehand
AlexDaniel but the process is not started before .start
and you can't bind-stdin after .start 20:22
iirc
geekosaur this may mean the interface has made a common mistake that renders it potentially broken in other cases as well
AlexDaniel what do you mean? What common mistake? 20:23
geekosaur the very fact you're asking this… no understanding of how inter-process communication works? how it has to work?
there are many common mistakes, really. I'm not exactly sure what it does currently therefore which of many mistakes it could have made 20:24
at one point the implementation did "link one procerss's stdout to anothrer's stdin" by making thjem separate and writing data --- once --- from one to the othet
which. very no.
worked for extremely simple things, broke anyone trying to actually use it 20:25
AlexDaniel m: my $p = Proc::Async.new: ‘bash’, ‘-c’, ‘if [ -t 1 ] ; then echo terminal; else echo "not a terminal"; fi’; $p.bind-stdin: $*IN; react { whenever $p.start { say ‘done’ } }
camelia Proc::Async is disallowed in restricted setting
in sub restricted at src/RESTRICTED.setting line 1
in method new at src/RESTRICTED.setting line 32
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
AlexDaniel e: my $p = Proc::Async.new: ‘bash’, ‘-c’, ‘if [ -t 1 ] ; then echo terminal; else echo "not a terminal"; fi’; $p.bind-stdin: $*IN; react { whenever $p.start { say ‘done’ } }
evalable6 not a terminal
done
AlexDaniel well, here it's not a terminal ofc
geekosaur Proc::Async is using pipes
AlexDaniel but if you run it locally
then it say “terminal”
geekosaur hold on 20:26
I guess I have to go dig thought the impl now
AlexDaniel yeah
but I guess I answered my question
geekosaur and then confuse you a different way instead of the current way, probably
I *think* bind-stdi9n means you connected to its input, so output is still the thing you ran it on 20:27
AlexDaniel ooooooh
geekosaur because stdin and stdout are not magically always connected, otherwise you couldn't use pipes a | b | c becuase the first would loop a and b together
leaving nothing for c
*terminals* bind the tty / pty to all of stdin, stdout, stderr by default 20:28
ok, yes, bind-stdin tells the Proc::Async how to plumb the process's input 20:29
AlexDaniel right
geekosaur output is not affected and will be that of the perl script
Guest59250 AlexDaniel: Method 'bind-stdin' not found for invocant of class 'Proc::Async'
AlexDaniel but my -t check is useless, right… 20:30
geekosaur which for camelia is a service environment, stdout is a log file or /dev/null depending on how service is set up
and for a command line is going to be the pty unless redirected
AlexDaniel Guest59250: what is your rakudo version?
geekosaur as for that last, Proc::Async::Pipe actually
Guest59250 AlexDaniel: This is perl6 version 2015.11 built on MoarVM version 2015.11 20:31
AlexDaniel Guest59250: well, that's very old, in fact that's even before the first stable language release
huggable: deb
huggable AlexDaniel, Alpine, CentOS, Debian, Fedora, OpenSUSE and Ubuntu Rakudo packages: github.com/nxadm/rakudo-pkg#rakudo-pkg
Guest59250 I'm using Mint.
AlexDaniel Guest59250: maybe you can grab a package from here ↑ 20:32
Guest59250 They don't have Mint?
geekosaur doesn't look like we currently expose pty. iirc that's a separate libuv interface and may be difficult, not to say unportable to windows
Guest59250, for very nearly everything Mint is Ubuntu
unless you're running LMDE in which case it's the corresponding debian unstable 20:33
AlexDaniel unless you're using a debian-based mint, I think
matzek_
.oO( what about openbsd :( )
 20:34
AlexDaniel matzek_: it should work if you compile it
we do try to keep it working on openbsd & freebsd 20:35
matzek_ rakudo * wont build and rakudobrew also dont build on obsd 6.3
AlexDaniel matzek_: btw maybe you can even help with this ticket: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/issues/1867
.seen Kaiepi 20:36
yoleaux I saw Kaiepi 27 May 2018 11:10Z in #perl6: <Kaiepi> thanks
AlexDaniel matzek_: maybe talk to Kaiepi about that, it looks like they have it working on 6.3
matzek_ fbsd works well
AlexDaniel geekosaur: thank you, by the way
matzek_ currently there is a port for rakudo 2017.10 or on obsd 20:37
geekosaur POSIX IPC is tricky business. ptys make it more so. at one point there was something in ecosystem with a simple expect interface, I think, but it may be broken
buggable: eco pty 20:38
buggable geekosaur, Nothing found
geekosaur bah
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matzek_ gn8 gents 20:42
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AlexDaniel heh, I'm very confused about github.com/sergot/http-useragent/pull/200 20:45
sergot: I think did a boo-boo there ↑ 20:46
I did*
reverted the merge, now I go to bed :) 20:49
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scovit Hello, if there is a function with a slurpy signature (non positional). Can I pass a set to it the same way I can pass a list? 21:07
moritz scovit: example of the signature? 21:08
"non positional" sounds like "named", and I don't think you can pass a set to a slurpy named 21:09
scovit sub pickBinomial(Numeric(Cool) $p, *@list --> Seq:D) { sat @list; }; pickBinomial(0.3, <a b c>);
m:sub pickBinomial(Numeric(Cool) $p, *@list --> Seq:D) { sat @list; }; pickBinomial(0.3, <a b c>);
evalable6 (exit code 1) 04===SORRY!04=== Error while compiling /tmp/EQ1HUaRAeK
Undeclared routine:
sat used at line 1. Did you mean 'set', 'say'?
scovit m:sub pickBinomial(Numeric(Cool) $p, *@list --> Seq:D) { say @list; }; pickBinomial(0.3, <a b c>); 21:10
evalable6 (exit code 1) [a b c]
Type check failed for return value; expected Seq but got Bool (Bool::True)
in sub pickBinomial at /tmp/_a5nvQ2w7M line 1
in block <unit> at /tmp/_a5nvQ2w7M line 1
moritz m: sub f(*@a) { say @a.elems }; f set(1, 2, 3)
scovit m:sub pickBinomial(Numeric(Cool) $p, *@list) { say @list; }; pickBinomial(0.3, <a b c>);
camelia 1
evalable6 [a b c]
scovit m:sub pickBinomial(Numeric(Cool) $p, *@list) { say @list; }; pickBinomial(0.3, <a b c>.set);
evalable6 (exit code 1) No such method 'set' for invocant of type 'List'. Did you mean any of these?
Set
sec

in block <unit> at /tmp/I_bd6aIScS line 1
scovit m:sub pickBinomial(Numeric(Cool) $p, *@list) { say @list; }; pickBinomial(0.3, <a b c>.Set);
evalable6 [set(a b c)]
moritz scovit: seems sets are not flattened out
scovit exactly
m:sub pickBinomial(Numeric(Cool) $p, *@list) { say @list; }; pickBinomial(0.3, |<a b c>.Set);
evalable6 [c => True b => True a => True]
scovit m:sub pickBinomial(Numeric(Cool) $p, *@list) { say @list.elems; }; pickBinomial(0.3, |<a b c>.Set); 21:11
evalable6 3
scovit so what would you do? add a multi? 21:12
moritz yes
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lizmat wow, CPAN upload notifications are running ~13 hours behind 21:14
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scovit I understand the logic: sets are not positional 21:25
m:sub pickBinomial(Numeric(Cool) $p, *%list) { say %list; }; pickBinomial(0.3, <a b c>); 21:26
evalable6 (exit code 1) Too many positionals passed; expected 1 argument but got 2
in sub pickBinomial at /tmp/jbVIk2IX_C line 1
in block <unit> at /tmp/jbVIk2IX_C line 1
scovit m:sub pickBinomial(Numeric(Cool) $p, *%list) { say %list; }; pickBinomial(0.3, <a b c>.Set); 21:27
evalable6 (exit code 1) Too many positionals passed; expected 1 argument but got 2
in sub pickBinomial at /tmp/yQHISkQXg5 line 1
in block <unit> at /tmp/yQHISkQXg5 line 1
scovit m:sub pickBinomial(Numeric(Cool) $p, *%list) { say %list; }; pickBinomial(0.3, <a b c>.Set.Hash); 21:28
evalable6 (exit code 1) Too many positionals passed; expected 1 argument but got 2
in sub pickBinomial at /tmp/lwwMsx4qbs line 1
in block <unit> at /tmp/lwwMsx4qbs line 1
scovit and hash never flattenb
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b2gills Zoffix I edited [1] to fix the Markdown ordered list syntax (indent included text by 4 spaces), and to cleanup the links (place urls at top so they are easier to edit in the future). Hope you don't mind [1]: stackoverflow.com/posts/50630100/revisions 21:38
scovit m: sub pickBinomial(Numeric(Cool) $p, List() *@list) { say @list; }; pickBinomial(0.3, <a b c>);
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Slurpy positional parameters with type constraints are not supported
at <tmp>:1
------> 3Binomial(Numeric(Cool) $p, List() *@list7⏏5) { say @list; }; pickBinomial(0.3, <a b
expecting any…
scovit m: sub pickBinomial(Numeric(Cool) $p, List() @list) { say @list; }; pickBinomial(0.3, <a b c>); 21:39
camelia Type check failed in binding to parameter '@list'; expected Positional[Any] but got List ($("a", "b", "c"))
in sub pickBinomial at <tmp> line 1
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
b2gills m: sub pickBinomial(Numeric(Cool) $p, *@list) { say @list; }; pickBinomial(0.3, <a b c>);
camelia [a b c]
b2gills You are asking for Positional[List], not List
scovit m: sub pickBinomial(Numeric(Cool) $p, @list) { say @list; }; pickBinomial(0.3, <a b c>); 21:40
camelia (a b c)
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scovit Ok b2gills 21:41
b2gills m: sub pickBinomial(Numeric(Cool) $p, +@list) { say @list; }; pickBinomial(0.3, <a b c>); # note that +@ *@ **@ are different
camelia [a b c]
b2gills `my List @foo` is basically the same as `my @foo is Array[List]` 21:42
scovit m: sub pickBinomial(Numeric(Cool) $p, +@list) { say @list; }; pickBinomial(0.3, <a b c>.Set); 21:43
camelia [set(a b c)]
scovit a set is not iterable? 21:44
b2gills m: multi sub pickBinomial(Numeric(Cool) $p, +@list) { say @list; }; multi sub pickBinomial(Numeric(Cool) $p, Set $set){ samewith $p, $set.keys}; pickBinomial(0.3, <a b c>.Set); 21:45
camelia (b c a)
b2gills m: .say for set(<a b c>)
camelia c => True
a => True
b => True
scovit m: .say for <a b c>.Set;
camelia a => True
b => True
c => True
geekosaur it doesn't automatically unwind itself into a list, no. 'iterable' sounds like you;re using a different model than per;
perl6
scovit geekosaur just learning
b2gills scovit: You want to call .keys on a Set 21:46
geekosaur +@ gives you a list made up of everything left, the one thing left is a set
b2gills +@ will reuse the list if there is one *@ will flatten **@ doesn't flatten
scovit b2gills to use multi was the solution proposed also by moritz. But I am left wondering how different is this from augment that is considered MONKEY 21:49
geekosaur multi is declaring up front you want to allow additions. augment allows arbitrary additions at runtime
so augment is monkey patching something not intended for it
also you can't alter a multi across modules iirc, but augment can. (this means augment forces runtime resolution whereas multi can be compile time resolved because it knows it will see all variants) 21:50
runtime is more flexible but a lot slower, no optimizations possible 21:51
scovit I understand.. compile time errors are good also
geekosaur not just errors. if the compiler knows which variant will be used ahead of time, it can skip the runtoime part entirely and hardcode the one it knows
this makes for fairly big speedups compared to runtime dispatching 21:52
El_Che if you don't need something specific from runtime, always to for compile time
errors will be catch before data is touched
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scovit but let's say i'm lazy, I would just write: 21:58
m: sub pickBinomial(Numeric(Cool) $p, $list) { $list.pick(3).say }; pickBinomial(0.3, <a b c>.Set); 21:59
camelia (c a b)
scovit m: sub pickBinomial(Numeric(Cool) $p, $list) { $list.pick(3).say }; pickBinomial(0.3, <a b c>);
camelia (b a c)
scovit m: sub pickBinomial(Numeric(Cool) $p, $list) { $list.pick(3).say }; pickBinomial(0.3, Mu);
camelia Type check failed in binding to parameter '$list'; expected Any but got Mu (Mu)
in sub pickBinomial at <tmp> line 1
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
scovit works with lists, sets, but fail Runtime
and i fail to see a way that let me do that as a lazy person 22:02
(compile time checks)
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geekosaur you probably don;t want Mu, it's somewhat special 22:08
for most purposes you want Any. Mu is used when you need specific handling for Junction, which otherwise autothreads so it will do what you intended it to do 22:09
b2gills .tell scovit It seems like the compile time error doesn't throw unless both the parameter and argument are different sub-types of Any
yoleaux b2gills: I'll pass your message to scovit.
b2gills m: sub foo ( Str $ ){}; foo(Int) 22:11
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Calling foo(Int) will never work with declared signature (Str)
at <tmp>:1
------> 3sub foo ( Str $ ){}; 7⏏5foo(Int)
b2gills m: sub foo ( Str $ ){}; foo( class :: is Mu {} )
camelia Type check failed in binding to parameter '<anon>'; expected Str but got <anon|1> (<anon|1>)
in sub foo at <tmp> line 1
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
b2gills m: sub foo ( Str $ ){}; foo( my $ is class :: is Mu {} ) # nevermind 22:13
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Can't use unknown trait 'is class' in a variable declaration.
at <tmp>:1
------> 3sub foo ( Str $ ){}; foo( my $ is class7⏏5 :: is Mu {} ) # nevermind
expecting any of:
TypeObj…
b2gills m: sub foo ( Str $ ){}; foo( my $ is Mu )
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
is trait on $-sigil variable not yet implemented. Sorry.
Did you mean: my Mu $?
at <tmp>:1
------> 3sub foo ( Str $ ){}; foo( my $ is Mu 7⏏5)
expecting any of:
constraint
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Zoffix Why do people edit my stuff? AlexDaniel on GitHub, now b2gills on SO. Get your own content and edit that. 23:15
b2gills: it looks like shit now. 23:16
This exactly why I hate SO. Every pedant feels they have to do something 23:17
raschipi Zoffix: group maintenece is where's at. Owning content in frowned upon by modern communities.
Zoffix Yeah, well, that's the last time I responded to anything on SO. Own that.
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raschipi Next he will add some files to MoarVM or Rakudo and complain when people change them. 23:18
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El_Che Zoffix: don't get pissed off by small potatoes 23:20
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Zoffix raschipi: the files in MoarVM and Rakudo do not have "posted by Zoffix" next to them 23:22
El_Che they do have a "edited by the devil" though 23:23
Zoffix El_Che: I'm not pissed off. I'm just pointing out the very obvious fact that it's rude to just go in and willy-nilly mess up formatting of another person's content. I don't make random sentences bold and I don't give my lists ugly offsets if I can help it. Why would a stranger go in and add that on things that have my name on it. 23:24
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Zoffix If you have your own style, use it on your own content. Don't force it down the throat of others. 23:24
El_Che Zoffix: that pretty much how SO rolls. It's a "perk" for people with > 2K reputation 23:25
I am not a fan of that, but not too annoyed either
you can probably rollback changes as the authior 23:26
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