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Herby_ o/ 01:08
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AlexDaniel squashable6: next 01:14
squashable6 AlexDaniel, ⚠🍕 Next SQUASHathon in 2 days and ≈8 hours (2018-10-06 UTC-12⌁UTC+14). See github.com/rakudo/rakudo/wiki/Mont...Squash-Day
Herby_ AlexDaniel: I was just about to ask about hackathon / squashathon
:)
AlexDaniel Herby_: what's the question? :) 01:15
Herby_ basically where does one go to get info
AlexDaniel by default github.com/rakudo/rakudo/wiki/Mont...Squash-Day then click on GUIDE 01:17
currently it points to github.com/perl6/ecosystem/wiki/SQUASHathon
Herby_: if you have a module you should set up a hook, label your issues and help contributors with their PRs 01:18
Herby_ great. i don't have any modules, just want looking to contribute towards others. hopefully some easy wins or good beginner issues :)
AlexDaniel that one depends on others, so I don't know how it's going to go :) 01:19
meanwhile I'm fixing the guide… :)
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AlexDaniel Herby_: can you take a look at github.com/perl6/ecosystem/wiki/SQUASHathon again? 01:47
Herby_ sure
AlexDaniel Herby_: let me know what can be improved, or if there's anything else that's unclear
Herby_ initial feedback: the Frequently Asked Questions bullet doesn't have a hyperlink like the contributers and maintainers do 01:49
AlexDaniel fixed
timotimo ohai 01:50
AlexDaniel btw feel free to edit too
timotimo: o/
timotimo o/
AlexDaniel timotimo: I bet you have some nice modules :)
timotimo they're mediocre :)
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Herby_ AlexDaniel: looks great. 01:51
this line: SQUASHathon is a 1 day (50-hours) long event organized
should that be 2 days?
or am i reading it wrong
AlexDaniel hehe
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AlexDaniel Herby_: it's UTC-12…UTC+14 :) 01:52
Herby_ timotimo: \o
leont Timezones, they exist to make everything more complicated
timotimo humans really shot themselves in the foot with that one
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AlexDaniel I kinda like it. It's two days if you want it, or just one Saturday if you don't :) 01:52
leont xkcd.com/1883/ 01:53
AlexDaniel timotimo: there, I created a cool ticket 01:55
and by cool I mean shitty, but I'm pretty sure there are more perf improvements to squeeze out of it :) 01:56
( github.com/timo/json_fast/issues/45 )
Geth ecosystem: 8b80997b34 | (Aleks-Daniel Jakimenko-Aleksejev)++ | 3 files
Move SQUASHathon stuff to the wiki

This declutters the repo somewhat. The wiki is perhaps more appropriate because things will be changing a lot (I hope). This file can be deleted later, but right now I'm just afraid that there's a
  link to it somewhere.		 02:00
AlexDaniel .tell jmerelo thanks! I moved parts of it to the wiki, again. This time I didn't forget to set up the redirection :)
yoleaux AlexDaniel: I'll pass your message to jmerelo.
AlexDaniel .tell jmerelo I also changed a bunch of stuff, so please review and edit as you like 02:01
yoleaux AlexDaniel: I'll pass your message to jmerelo.
AlexDaniel .tell jmerelo I tried to keep it minimalistic but perhaps I left some parts unexplained (please re-add if you deem necessary) 02:02
yoleaux AlexDaniel: I'll pass your message to jmerelo.
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tison \o 03:31
Herby__ tison: o/ 03:39
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Geth doc: 50d854a0cd | (JJ Merelo)++ | doc/Language/control.pod6
Adds example closes #2350
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El_Che leont: a flat earth wouldn't need timezones! 06:49
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AlexDaniel
.oO( let's make it flat, then )
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El_Che ;) 06:54
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masak El_Che: I remember having my first *visceral* experience that the world is round here on #perl6, when I took in the fact that people fell asleep and woke up in shifts here. 07:17
El_Che: I mean, now it doesn't feel odd at all, but I remember actually needing to get used to it, in some sense
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kensanata Sometimes error messages are weird. I was struggling with Cro this morning, wanting to set a cookie to 'rainbow unicorn'. The error I got said it expected a CookieValue but had gotten a Str instead. I didn't know what to make of this. It was only by reading the source code that I figured out that this is due to a constraint (because cookie values may not contain spaces etc). 07:26
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El_Che masak: we are the universalist elite populists talk about :) 07:32
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El_Che I am 2 days working on older p5 code I write, and I must say perl 6 is responsable of making perl 5 less fun for me 08:01
you bastards 08:02
:)
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lizmat :-) 08:05
lizmat is currently working on a project to be integrated in a Perl 5 environment, but prototyping it in Perl 6 08:06
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Altreus What's the difference between Promise(supply {...}) and start { supply { ... } } ? 11:07
timotimo i think the former is equivalent to (supply { ... }).Promise, so it'll tap the supply and resolve the promise when the supply is finished, or maybe when it emits the first value 11:08
Returns a Promise that will be kept when the Supply is done. If the Supply also emits any values, then the Promise will be kept with the final value. Otherwise, it will be kept with Nil. If the Supply ends with a quit instead of a done, then the Promise will be broken with that exception.
that's the description of method Promise on class Supply 11:09
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pmurias hmm, taking the --encoding option into account when decoding a Blob seems super weird :/ 11:11
timotimo oh, we do that? 11:12
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Altreus ah right, that's the behaviour that causes the pattern to work 11:13
I see I see
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Altreus Say role A has a method frob($x), then role B does role A and wants to add new versions of frob. But role A hasn't declared it multi. 11:19
This seems odd
Because it means that by not declaring a method multi you constrain extension 11:20
timotimo worst case you can add a multi method frob($x) { self::A.frob($x) }
Altreus But then class C that does B is not allowed to have method frob($x) and also multi method frob()
and
I tried adding multi method frob($x) but it still complained
I'll make a small test 11:21
timotimo OK, in that case you may have to put an empty class in the hierarchy to do that
since role composition is kind of like copy-pasting the role's contents into your class
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Geth doc: 5876004878 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | doc/Language/5to6-nutshell.pod6
Add BEGIN, UNITCHECK, CHECK, INIT and END section

This was completely missing from the 5 -> 6 migration docs, afaics		 11:23
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Altreus gist.github.com/Altreus/da60f1c273...a27cd7c40f 11:24
Pretend Frobber comes from someone else though
Seems strange because it means any code on CPAN is immediately impossible to extend because the methods aren't multi
which means why would you ever make a method not multi 11:25
lizmat fwiw, I also think this behaviour of roles wrt to multi / only methods is sub-optimal, almost LTA
Altreus Does any other language have this sort of default restriction?
Every OO language I know of is multi-dispatch by default
luckily, in my analogous case, I have control over Frobber 11:26
I dunno why I'm being secretive about it; all the code is on github anyway
I fear judgement ;)
lizmat I think you're a bit paranoid :-) 11:27
Altreus I'm working on it 11:30
lizmat :-)
Altreus++
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masak re "why would you ever make a method not multi" -- designing for *lack of* extensibility is a valid use case/tradeoff in many cases, IMHO 11:33
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masak whether `only` is a good default for methods is another matter 11:33
(but it is consistent with how subs work, and macros)
leont I can see the advantage for subs but not for methods (in the general case) 11:34
Then again, global subs are something to avoid anyway, and properly namespaces it isn't really an issue 11:35
pmurias timotimo: I can't tell if it's a thought out decision or just a literal interpretation of S29 11:36
masak not sure where "global" comes into it, or whether I agree there's something wrong with global subs for (say) small scripting uses
pmurias Zoffix: do we really want use the value of --encoding for EVAL on Blob?
masak: almost everything is okish for small scripting uses ;) 11:38
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masak yes, well, "properly namespaced it isn't really an issue" -- when you start scaling up to modules, each "global" is really only a private module namespace 11:39
"the best thing about the global namespace is there's so many of them" :P 11:40
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buggable New CPAN upload: App-Platform-0.4.1.tar.gz by KAJI modules.perl6.org/dist/App::Platform:cpan:KAJI 11:47
tadzik masak: in case of objects it feels like a bit of an open-closed violation imho 11:54
masak no, I think it goes deeper than that 11:59
quoting Bloch, "Design and document for inheritance or else prohibit it" (Item 19 in Effective Java) 12:00
I think that's an extreme stance (measured relative to what most people think), but I think it makes sense from an API perspective 12:01
crucially, some classes one writes *should not be extended*
lizmat afk for a few hours&
leont TBH, most classes I write shouldn't be extended 12:02
masak right
inheritance is not a universal right -- it's more like a fairly limited design choice 12:03
from that perspective, I think it makes sense for methods to be `only` by default, actually
it's only in recent OO languages that methods are *virtual* by default ;) 12:04
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pmurias masak: do you think methods being *not* virtual makes any sense from a language design perspective 12:05
masak: as opposed for being easier to implement perspective
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pmurias s/opposed for/opposed to the/ 12:06
leont virtual is more complicated 12:07
e.g. in many languages one can't call virtual methods reliably from a constructor
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buggable New CPAN upload: App-Platform-0.4.2.tar.gz by KAJI modules.perl6.org/dist/App::Platform:cpan:KAJI 12:17
masak I've had real-world bugs come from virtual/overridden methods being called from a constructor in Java 12:25
the order in which initializers/constructors in base/derived classes run in Java is very surprising
pmurias: I dunno. I haven't really taken a stance on that issue. from what I've read there's kind of a final-by-default camp and a virtual-by-default camp 12:26
and they both have reasonable arguments 12:27
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thundergnat Howdy #perl6 12:50
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masak thundergnat: \o 12:51
thundergnat I am trying to find the indicies of an array where the values are the same but am having difficulty doing it concisely.
pmurias masak: I meant you where in the non-final and non-virtual camp like in C++
thundergnat I've got something that works, but it requires an intermediate value and seems like it should be something that can be more concise. 12:52
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thundergnat m: my %s; [0, 0, 0, 0, 1, 1, 2, 4, 2, 4, 0].antipairs.map({ %s{$_.key}.push: $_.value }); say %s.values; #works, but verbose 12:53
camelia ([0 1 2 3 10] [4 5] [6 8] [7 9])
thundergnat Anyone have any hints on how to get rid of %s? 12:54
I don't really care about the actual values, just the groups of indicies where they are the same. 12:55
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timotimo so a little bit like categorize? 12:55
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thundergnat timotime: yes, but I'm drawing a blank on what the catogorize mapper should be. 12:56
timotimo m: say [0, 0, 0, 0, 1, 1, 2, 4, 2, 4, 0].pairs.categorize(*.key, :as(*.value));.perl
camelia {0 => [0], 1 => [0], 2 => [0], 3 => [0], 4 => [1], 5 => [1], 6 => [2], 7 => [4], 8 => [2], 9 => [4], 10 => [0]}
timotimo not quite
m: say [0, 0, 0, 0, 1, 1, 2, 4, 2, 4, 0].pairs.categorize(*.value, :as(*.key));.perl
camelia {0 => [0 1 2 3 10], 1 => [4 5], 2 => [6 8], 4 => [7 9]}
timotimo does that look right?
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thundergnat timotimo: Ah! yes, that is perfect! 12:57
Thanks!
timotimo \o/
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masak pmurias: not sure I'm in any camp right now 13:29
timotimo look around you. look around you! just ... look around you 13:30
are there any tents?
masak yes...?
two small ones and a big one
timotimo that is the correct answer
write it down in your copybook now
masak scribbles furiously 13:31
"...in ...a ...camp"
timotimo just to make sure, you know about Look Around You, right?
masak don't think I do 13:32
timotimo ooooh
you're potentially in for a real treat
masak tentatively checks youtube
ooh
pmurias is confused 13:33
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[Coke] yawns. 14:44
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Geth doc: ddd8efa50d | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | doc/Language/phasers.pod6
Move CLOSE phaser to asychronous phasers section
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synopsebot Link: doc.perl6.org/language/phasers
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kensanata I'm looking for some Perl6 and Cro advice for this route: github.com/kensanata/oddmuse6/blob...es.pm6#L65 -- it's a simple CAPTCHA sort of thing: if you don't have the secret cookie, go answer a question; if you have the answer, go set the cookie. The first problem I have is I don't know how to move this code into a sub. 18:05
set-cookie only seems to work in this particular context and I don't know what to pass to a sub so that I can call set-cookie over there. Something about the invisible request, I assume. 18:06
I was also wondering how to write this using the Auth idea that Cro comes with but wasn't sure how to do it, exactly, since I don't actually have accounts so translating the examples wasn't straight forward. 18:07
sena_kun kensanata, give me a second...
kensanata, so you did try to just move your code into the sub and call it from route? The thing is it works using dynamic variable, so I am tend to think it should just work here. 18:09
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kensanata sena_kun: Let me recreate what I had and get back to you with an error. :) 18:12
sena_kun kensanata, well, if it certainly caused an error, it's another deal. :) I'll create a small example and play with it... 18:13
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sena_kun kensanata, gist.github.com/Altai-man/2e042792...cd7d37254c <- this(`service.p6` and other stubbed parts are omitted) works for me and correctly sets cookie. 18:16
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sena_kun kensanata, as for Auth question, not sure right now and a bit busy, probably you want to ping me tomorrow. a SO question is an option too. 18:18
kensanata sena_kun: You are right about the set-cookie example and I verified that it works in my code as well. D'Oh! Now I wonder what I must have tried yesterday evening. Must have been late! 18:19
sena_kun: Thanks! Will clean up my code, now! 18:20
sena_kun kensanata, evening is often the case for me too. :)
kensanata :)
sena_kun kensanata, good luck.
kensanata Thanks
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mantovani hello 18:31
do you recommend some article to learn perl 6 grammar ? the example of the documentation is quick simple 18:32
El_Che mantovani: theperlfisher.blogspot.com/2016/02/...rs-pt.html
there are 4 pieces
mantovani thank you El_Che. 18:33
El_Che The author is a regular here :)
mantovani great :)
moritz mantovani: I'd recommend smile.amazon.com/dp/1484232275/ but I'm biased :-)
El_Che also, moritz published a book on the subject 18:34
ah, his spam was faster than my reaction :P
mantovani thank you moritz
moritz: when I read a book from safaribooking they pay you? 18:35
moritz mantovani: there is a one-time payment to me for inclusion in safari books, but not per read there 18:36
but that's fine. If I were after the money, I'd spent my time differently than writing Perl 6 books :-)
El_Che moritz: interesting to know 18:37
I thought it was an streaming model
moritz might depend on the publisher
anyway, I'd be much happier about an amazon rating (doesn't need to be a full review) than another paying customer 18:38
tison oh I forget to give a rating, your book is the first recommendation when someone asked me if there is a Perl 6 book. 18:39
El_Che moritz before (the beginning) the amazon review and after (from sec 40): twitter.com/ThatEricAlper/status/1...4645199872 18:40
mantovani moritz: I will buy the book 18:41
tison hmmm I cannot write a review now, but given a rating 18:42
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mantovani moritz: does it has a PDF version? 18:43
(that I can buy)
I don't have kindle and I want to read on my computr
El_Che mantovani: www.apress.com/gp/book/9781484232279 18:44
mantovani: do you have "Perl 6 Regexes and Grammars" in Safari? I don't and I wonder if it's a region thing 18:45
(think perl6 is there) 18:46
(also Perl6 Deep Dive)
mantovani El_Che: what do you mean ?
moritz right, Apress sells watermarked but DRM-Free PDFs
mantovani Safari the browser?
El_Che no o'reilly service 18:47
geekosaur oreillys online thing
El_Che learning perl6 also arrived
so we have 3 recent books there
and 3 old ones
mantovani moritz: I just bought the book
moritz mantovani: thanks 18:48
El_Che (2 old instead of 3: 2003, 2004)
It may be interesting to read to see what's changed
DrForr's series of talks is also there 18:49
Garland_g[m] moritz: Thanks for writing that book. I got myself a copy and it's really helped me understand Grammars better.
moritz Garland_g[m]: my pleasure; I'd also appreciate a rating on amazon :-)
mantovani moritz: prnt.sc/l1tnx4 18:50
can you send me the pdf please ?
this kindlecloud is discusting
El_Che (when needed I use Calibre to convert kindle to epub) 18:51
mantovani I just download it 18:52
I hope is free if malware
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El_Che calibre? 18:52
mantovani yes
El_Che calibre is free software
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moritz mantovani: what's your email address? 18:54
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mantovani [email@hidden.address] 18:55
I don't understand why so many stupid restrictions.
El_Che welcome to 2018 18:57
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mantovani moritz: thank you very much, I own you a beer 18:58
I own you many beers 18:59
moritz: I just submitted a 5 star review 19:01
submit*
ufobat what is wrong when "cro run" says An operation first awaited: in sub run-services at /home/martin/.rakudobrew/moar-2018.08/install/share/perl6/site/sources/966B0E6CB70976402D480A8B95DE5228DD11C48C (Cro::Tools::CLI) line 227 19:03
mantovani I need to migralte an ELT wrote using SQL Server Stored Procedures to Apache Spark and I intend to write a grammar to do mostly of the job 19:04
moritz mantovani: thanks!
mantovani migrate* 19:05
ufobat ah it dies: Died with the exception: Cannot look up attributes in a Cro::Tools::CroFile type object
moritz that means somewhere forgot a .new
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sena_kun it is an odd heisenbug which is tied to _probably_ YAMLish module. :/ 19:08
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ufobat where exactly, moritz :p 19:10
github.com/croservices/cro/blob/ma...I.pm6#L227 <- thats the line that is mentioned in the stack trace 19:11
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masak the 007 test suite runs a few seconds faster on today's Rakudo than Rakudo-from-two-months-ago 19:12
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tbrowder__ hi, #perl6 ....... \o 19:12
masak m: say ((63 - 58) / 63 * 100).fmt("a %.1f%% speedup") 19:13
camelia a 7.9% speedup
tbrowder__ i’m still looking for a new best editor. has anyone ever used Sublime Text or UltraEdit or Komodo? if so, can they be modified, by the user, to work with p6? same questions for Slick Edit. 19:15
ufobat funny, the stack trace looks differently when i clone cro and do a perl6 -I ../to/cloned/cro/lib
tbrowder__ thanks
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tadzik 7.9% is pretty fat :) 19:17
mantovani DrForr: your blog is not being indexed by Google
tbrowder__ i have a love-hate relationship with emacs, hate the lisp stuff, but love the results (sometimes).
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tbrowder__ i have high hope for commaide, but it’s not there yet. 19:18
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sena_kun tbrowder__, vim maybe? I am an emacs user though(well, moving to Comma for testing purposes). Is there something particular you don't like in just using emacs's perl6-mode(without a couple of bugs) or just general lack of features? 19:20
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Zoffix .tell pmurias I imagined --encoding was for source code encoding, hence why it makes sense in blob evals 19:21
yoleaux Zoffix: I'll pass your message to pmurias.
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tbrowder__ sena_kun: hi! 19:21
sena_kun o/ 19:22
ufobat i see the bug, i dont know how to fix it :(
sena_kun ufobat, can you please post your guesses to github.com/croservices/cro/issues/68 (if it's relevant)? Otherwise, github.com/croservices/cro/issues/65 19:23
ufobat ty for the links 19:24
jnthn tbrowder__: Also, please remember to submit details about things you run into (beyond those you already have, of course). I'm using it for nearly all my Perl 6 coding by now, to also uncover stuff (and also because by now I miss the auto-complete and error detection too much everywhere else... :))
sena_kun I remember the same bug was reproducible after N times of running just plain YAML loading, so we suspected it's concurrency issue with YAMLish. But now iirc we have a guard there and the bug is still here it seems. 19:25
tbrowder__ well, for emacs, i would really like a good unicode visual map, get perl5 mode working, and get horizontal sliders working. since i moved from xemacs to emacs with p6, i’ve not been real happy (although i’m very pleased with my p6 sub/class/var indexer contribution).
ufobat then maybe i run into a different bug, sena_kun
jnthn Yeah, I remember putting in some kind of locking around the YAML loading...did that get released yet, though?
ufobat sena_kun, give me a sec, i'll create a gist to let to know what i have spotted. maybe i am wrong 19:26
sena_kun ufobat, then please report it, it'd be very appreciated.
jnthn really wants to get 0.8.0 out late this week or early next week; probably, looking at my schedule, the latter.
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sena_kun tbrowder__, oh, you have more needs than just "type text with some highlighting and indentation" it seems. then I am afraid I am not much of help. 19:27
masak does anyone want to hear something freaky I just realized about unquotes?
masak .oO( don't ask to horrify )
tbrowder__ jnthn: to be fair i’ve not used commaide much. the lack of a visual tool for unicode is a feature i really want, and it’s been a little slow on my laptop—i’m probably not a typical user, ‘cause i don’t use many power features. 19:28
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ufobat sena_kun, gist.github.com/ufobat/fb62ec03013...099359078c 19:30
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jnthn tbrowder__: What visual tools for Unicode are you using otherwise, out of curiosity? 19:31
sena_kun ufobat, thanks! bookmarked it.
ufobat i dont know if it is the same bug, but if you tell me if it fits to one of those 2 issues i'll comment on it. i just started cro, i have no clue what the cro-file is in a service 19:32
sena_kun ufobat, seems to be something different at a glance. 19:33
jnthn ufobat: cro.services/docs/cro-yml fwiw
tbrowder__ jnthn: i’m just using the klingon mind meld with emacs to insert codepoints, and i use \x and \c a fair amount when needed inside rakudo source
masak "vulcan mind meld", surely? 19:34
or is the Klingon mind meld a really aggressive version of that?
tbrowder__ yeah, that, couldn’t think of vulcan soon enough
i did mean vulcan
ufobat i do have such a .cro.yml file 19:35
geekosaur masak, were you looking to be unquoted?
:p
masak geekosaur: I'll take that as a "yes" :P
ok, so you all know that when you compare two operators A and B for precedence, there are three possible answers 19:36
"A is tighter", "B is tighter", "A and B share a precedence level"
these are the *only* three possible answers on a totally ordered set 19:37
for a *partially* ordered set, there's a fourth answer
"A and B are do not have a comparable precedence" 19:38
but that answer is not possible, since the precedence levels are totally ordered...
...*until* you introduce quasi unquotes o.O
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jnthn Well, that's an interesting point to poset... :P 19:40
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jnthn This effectively means that you can't actually put a quasi's quoted material into tree form until the unqoutes are filled? 19:41
masak correct
jnthn Or at least, not a final tree form...
That's kinda evil :) 19:42
masak I realized this time last year that you shouldn't even try to put it in tree form before evaluation
the JS templating libraries that implement templates as functions got it right
jnthn Especially given that Perl 6 actually tries to do this while parsing EXPR, not even in an actions phase later (every compiler I've written in Perl 6 actually defers it to actions, though :)) 19:43
So that implies maybe we need a different EXPR (and who knows what else) for parsing quasis
masak yeah, there's certainly a tension going on there 19:44
a... different EXPR. but that'd be *gasp* two code paths!
jnthn Oh no!!!
masak .oO( meanwhile, in the other code path: Oh no!! )
jnthn goes to cry, though mainly 'cus he has to chop onions :) 19:45
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tadzik don't feel bad, they don't have feelings 19:45
and try to avoid the fingers :P
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masak onions have *fingers*!? 19:46
tadzik 6 of them, just like us humans
masak needs to sit down
El_Che you sadist
tadzik 6 in each hand, so 18 in total 19:47
duh
masak starts sweating, deciding to play along 19:48
...of course.
tadzik /r/totallynotrobots 19:49
mantovani Audrey Tang anre't involved anymore with Perl 6 community ? 19:52
moritz no 19:56
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kensanata When I'm on my Debian server, I am offered perl6 and rakudo, but on this laptop I installed rakudo-star, if I remember correctly. How do I decide what I need? 19:58
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El_Che She is a miniter in the Taiwanese government nowadays 19:58
moritz kensanata: look at the version numbers available for either 20:01
also, "apt-cache show $package" can provide some insight
for example on ubuntu, the info for perl6 contains 20:02
perl6 package is a meta package that aims to depend on a Perl6
compiler and Perl6 core modules. Currently this package depends only
on a compiler (rakudo). Dependency on the perl6 modules shipped by rakudo-star
will be added later once they are available on Debian.
kensanata moritz: One says 6.c-1, the other 2016.12-1 and my own is 2018.06 but is apparently also 6.c
Ah.
El_Che on my ubuntu: 2018.03-1 (what's packaged on Ubuntu 18.04) and 2018.09-01 (my rakudo-pkg debian/ubuntu repo) 20:04
I guess star is something in between
jnthn 6.c is the language version, 2018.06 is the compiler version; 2018.06 will be an enormous amount better. :) 20:05
kensanata OK! 20:06
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buggable New CPAN upload: Sparrowdo-VSTS-YAML-Build-Assembly-Patch-1.0.0.tar.gz by MELEZHIK modules.perl6.org/dist/Sparrowdo::V...n:MELEZHIK 22:37
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