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dominix m: say "☺".NFKD.Str 00:05
yoleaux 11 Jul 2019 07:28Z <robertle> dominix: Dominique Dumont or I (robertle@semistable.com) would be good fols to talk to regarding debian packaging, there is some stuff to be found starting wiki.debian.org/Teams/DebianRakudoGroup and salsa.debian.org/perl6-team
camelia ☺
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uzl Another somewhat related I forgot to ask: How to convert a Unicode string to ASCII? In the docs, there's an example using the .encode method but one must provide a replacement in order to get something meaningful. 00:15
m: say "Þor is mighty".encode("ascii", :replacement( 'Th') ).decode("ascii")
camelia Thor is mighty
uzl But what if have a string like "Nín hǎo." and wish to get its ASCII version "Nin hao."? 00:16
AlexDaniel m: say ‘Nín hǎo’.samemark(‘a’) 00:20
camelia Nin hao
AlexDaniel m: say ‘Nín hǎo’.samemark(‘ä’) 00:21
camelia N̈ïn̈ ̈ḧäö
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uzl Got it. Thanks! 🖒 00:26
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Kaiepi www.codewars.com/kata/baby-shark-l...generator/ 03:51
this is fun to golf
the solution i came up with was `sub baby-shark-lyrics(--> Nil) { say join "\n", ((|(('Baby', 'Mommy', 'Daddy', 'Grandma', 'Grandpa') »~» ' shark'), "Let's go hunt") XZ[~] (|((',' ~ ' doo' x 6) xx 3), '!')), 'Run away...'; }` 03:52
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Kaiepi er 03:53
sub baby-shark-lyrics(--> Str) { join "\n", ((|(('Baby', 'Mommy', 'Daddy', 'Grandma', 'Grandpa') »~» ' shark'), "Let's go hunt") XZ[~] (|((',' ~ ' doo' x 6) xx 3), '!')), 'Run away...' }
too bad the site doesn't support perl 6 as a language you can write solutions in 03:54
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xinming releasable6: status 04:28
releasable6 xinming, No! It wasn't me! It was the one-armed man! Backtrace: gist.github.com/da21daa1b691cb708a...e562caacae 04:29
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lizmat weekly: news.perlfoundation.org/2019/07/gra...omp-5.html 07:50
notable6 lizmat, Noted!
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antoniogamiz morning o/ 08:35
sena_kun o/ 08:37
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Kaiepi \o 08:59
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Kaiepi releasable6, status 09:04
releasable6 Kaiepi, No! It wasn't me! It was the one-armed man! Backtrace: gist.github.com/1e3ac3f7d39945d02f...ad26c09e43
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timotimo ha 09:13
confused by the location of the VERSION file 09:14
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sena_kun does rakudobrew not provide a symlink to currently set Perl 6 binary? I can't find it. 09:18
never mind, fixed it with `rakudobrew switch moar-blead` 09:21
patrickb sena_kun, `rakudobrew shell moar-myversion` does it only in the current shell
yoleaux 12 Jul 2019 17:18Z <AlexDaniel> patrickb: btw there's this document too: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/blob/mast...windows.md
antoniogamiz why with this signature => gist.github.com/antoniogamiz/88e23...236fab0c16 09:23
it gives me this usage message? => documentable [--topdir=<Str>] [-v|--verbose] [-c|--cache] [-p|--pods] [-k|--kind] [-s|--search-index] [-i|--indexes] [-t|--type-images] [-f|--force] [--highlight] [-a|--all] start
start should appear at the beginning
timotimo that's a thing perl6 does 09:25
antoniogamiz but how do I fix it? 09:26
because the command => documentable start -v, for instance, gives me that message
and it should work with that signature 09:27
timotimo there's the "allow named arguments everywhere" switch for the MAIN sub handler 09:28
antoniogamiz ? 09:31
sorry I dont get it D:
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timotimo you want my %*SUB-MAIN-OPTS = :named-anywhere; 09:34
antoniogamiz so the first one should be a named argument too? 09:38
aahh I should declare that variable => docs.perl6.org/language/create-cli...-MAIN-OPTS 09:40
mm though in zef it's not used mmmm 09:41
lizmat zef predates that feature 09:43
I guess it could use a PR to have it use that :-)
antoniogamiz :DD 09:45
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antoniogamiz mm I have added that variable and it's the same 09:47
should I initialize it in a specific way?
claes-ma1nus (ignore this. just testing if I'm muted.) 09:52
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lizmat claes-ma1nus: say what ? :-) 09:54
claes-ma1nus I am new to irssi. :)
nepugia :o 09:56
antoniogamiz claes-ma1nus: welcomed :D
mmm maybe I do not know how to use %*SUB-MAIN-OPTS but this should work and it does not
I have found this slides and they are quite good => es.slideshare.net/SimonProctor8/pe...-multicall 09:58
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timotimo where did you put the line with that variable? 10:00
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antoniogamiz at the beginning => gist.github.com/antoniogamiz/e6510...d8d3ae9b44 10:02
timotimo it'd have to be exported, too 10:04
at least i think that ought to help
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antoniogamiz timotimo: something like this? 10:16
sub EXPORT { "%*SUB-MAIN-OPTS" => :named-everywhere; }
lizmat sadly, I don't think you can export dynamic variables just yet ? 10:17
antoniogamiz mmm 10:18
then how I should resolve it? D:
lizmat hmmm... 10:21
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lizmat perhaps this could work: 10:23
BEGIN my &old-RUN-MAIN := &RUN_MAIN;
sub RUN-MAIN(|c) is export { my %*SUB-MAIN-OPTS = :named-everywhere; old-run-MAIN(|c) } 10:24
antoniogamiz: ^^
timotimo it's not enough to have "my %*SUB-MAIN-OPTS is export = :named-everywhere"? :( 10:25
ah
liz said that
antoniogamiz mmm it looks like it is not 10:26
mmm RUN_MAIN is not declared?
though I do not know why I must do all these hacks if I only want to have a couple of options when executing my module :( 10:27
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antoniogamiz timotimo: is export cannot be applied to scoped variables 10:29
lizmat This appears to work: 10:31
sub RUN-MAIN(|c) is export {
my %*SUB-MAIN-OPTS = :named-everywhere;
CORE::<&RUN-MAIN>(|c)
}
antoniogamiz mm I have added that and it's the same :/ 10:34
lizmat works for me: 10:35
$ perl6 -Ilib -MA -e 'sub MAIN() { dd %*SUB-MAIN-OPTS }'
Hash %*SUB-MAIN-OPTS = {:named-everywhere}
where lib/A.pm6 is the file containing the 4 lines above
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lizmat hmmm.. it seems to get the dynamic var... but maybe too late :-( 10:37
sena_kun anyone here who knows/writes Go? 10:40
antoniogamiz lizmat: maybe I have not written it correctly but it does not work for my => gist.github.com/antoniogamiz/74c60...495ba8e64a 10:41
sena_kun out of curiosity(and procrastination of my ldap work, of course): is gist.github.com/Altai-man/971f31ef...0096fc7580 a correct translation or did I miss something? 10:42
antoniogamiz I have asked in stackoverflow too => stackoverflow.com/questions/570182...signatures
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antoniogamiz sena_kun: one liner's power 10:43
lizmat antoniogamiz: working on an answer :-) 10:44
antoniogamiz lizmat: I'm very grateful :,) 10:48
lizmat yeah, was a typo...
antoniogamiz a typo? 10:49
lizmat :named-anywhere vs :named-everywhere 10:50
antoniogamiz mmm I have used both and "start" continues appearing at the end 10:52
lizmat antoniogamiz: answer posted on SO
antoniogamiz lizmat: oh that works, thanks a lot lizmat! :DDDDD 10:53
I am a bit curious why this changed, the way is done by zef is quite good 10:54
lizmat what's different is that you want to export an interface, zef doesn't have to do that 10:55
antoniogamiz mmm I only wanted to do the same as zef, create some options for my module 10:56
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lizmat well, you can still do that... but if you want named parameters to be allowed after positional ones 10:56
you need :named-anywhere
otherwise it defaults to some standard (forget which one), that only allows named parameters *before* positional ones 10:57
personally, I feel :named-anywhere makes more sense in the modern world
and perhaps we can make it the default for 6.e :-)
antoniogamiz ah good then, I will leave that code :D
I would really like so, because use RUN-MAIN is a difficult hack I think haha 10:58
lizmat well, one could turn it into a module, I guess... 10:59
so you would just need to do a "use named-anywhere"
hmmm...
scratch that
:-(
that's one other thing that's still unimplemented / undecided how to handle 11:00
exporting something that gets exported
antoniogamiz well, step by step :D 11:01
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AlexDaniel releasable6: status 13:51
releasable6 AlexDaniel, Next release will happen when it's ready. R6 is down. At least 0 blockers. 666 out of 687 commits logged
AlexDaniel, Details: gist.github.com/7894b7d1214447f76f...30e3070d40 13:52
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antoniogamiz almost there :D 13:52
El_Che weekly: twitter.com/jjatria/status/1150037326506143744 13:54
notable6 El_Che, Noted!
El_Che (I think he means MOARMV by MOAR?
rfold Has anyone tried integrating Zef/META.list with Nix? 13:56
If Zef can be given a mapping from module names to tarball file paths this should be straightforward. 13:57
MasterDuke hasn't timotimo done some game stuff? 13:58
tadzik he has indeed 14:00
El_Che timotimo: twitter.com/jjatria/status/1150037326506143744 14:01
It's an other JJ, but he's also a nice guy :) 14:02
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lizmat weekly: github.com/ohmycloud/perl6doc-zh # amazing 14:23
notable6 lizmat, Noted!
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timotimo haven't done anything in far too long, and the tiny bit i recently made is barely show-off-able even as a demo/POC/example/whatever 14:30
lizmat weekly: perl6.eu/pythagoras-bitcoin.html 14:31
notable6 lizmat, Noted!
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El_Che lizmat: he should have used chinese variable names :) (jk) 14:35
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rfold p6: 'foo:bar:baz:qux'.split(':', limit => 2).perl.say 14:45
camelia ("foo", "bar", "baz", "qux").Seq
rfold Why does this not return ("foo", "bar:baz:qux").Seq?
p6: 'foo:bar:baz:qux'.split(':', 2).perl.say
camelia ("foo", "bar:baz:qux").Seq
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rfold So it doesn't croak on stray named arguments. 14:49
Geth doc: 1b4ecc2d91 | Antonio++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | doc/Type/List.pod6
adds Defined as section, close #2900
synopsebot Link: doc.perl6.org/type/List
antoniogamiz Well, after a lot of bug fixes, it actually installs => github.com/antoniogamiz/Perl6-Documentable 14:54
now you can generate the documentation from a easy to use command :D 14:55
s/a/an
timotimo twitter.com/nxadm/status/1150043431743447043 - i added a video of the gtk-cairo-shooter 15:02
it's flashy and pretty
antoniogamiz timotimo: it's cute 15:03
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timotimo the game-over screen was bugged, it's supposed to show the enemies you had destroyed, but it doesn't reset the animation, so you just see the last piece of the explosion 15:05
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uzl Hi, everyone... So I came across some Python module (link in the documentation) 15:22
to slugify strings and decided to port(?) it to P6. I got almost all
the tests passing except these two:
gitlab.com/uzluisf/raku-text-slugi....t6#L39-44 and
gitlab.com/uzluisf/raku-text-slugi....t6#L62-67
I'm wondering if somebody can lend me a hand ;-)!
Not necessarily right now though. 15:23
sena_kun uzl, how can I clone it? 15:27
uzl sena_kun: git clone [email@hidden.address] 15:29
sena_kun [email@hidden.address] Permission denied (publickey).
uzl Probably git clone gitlab.com/uzluisf/raku-text-slugify.git? 15:31
sena_kun this one is better...
m: say 'компьютер' ~~ rx« <-[ \- a..z 0..9 ]>+ » 15:38
camelia ｢компьютер｣
sena_kun uzl, ^ is it intended?
the regex is $ALLOWED-CHARS, what should it match and what shouldn't? 15:39
uzl Ideaally, it should only match the ASCII lowercase character set, digits and '-' 15:40
sena_kun then you don't need to invert it, do you? 15:41
because it is inverted
uzl No, I take that back. It's using a negative character class because it's meant to substitute matching characters with blank space. 15:42
sena_kun so it should or shouldn't match? because that's why you get empty lines in tests. 15:43
apparently, you need to adjust your regex so it doesn't match(?) or change the code.
that's why I see.
s/why/what/ 15:44
uzl I guess it's the not best variable name. But I guess it makes sense. Allowed characters are those that don't match that regex, meaning all characters except a..z, 0..9 and '-'.
sena_kun ah, I see 15:45
well, "компьютер" matches that, there are no characters from a-z0-9-, you match the whole string and replace it with $DEFAULT-SEPARATOR, what is '-'. 15:46
uzl Oh, I see. That makes sense.
'-' is a dash. 15:47
sena_kun I have no idea what the code should do, but I can try to help if you explain to me. :)
uzl sena_kun: The idea is to turn a given string, possibly containing Unicode characters, into a dash-separated ASCII string. Hopefully that helps. 15:49
sena_kun uzl, can you give an example, please?
also, it does exactly that, I think, it results into a single `-`, because there are no ASCII. 15:50
uzl From the tests, slugify 'Nín hǎo. Wǒ shì zhōng guó rén' returns 'nin-hao-wo-shi-zhong-guo-ren'. 15:51
sena_kun if you replace unicode characters with `-`, it'll be `--n h-o. W-...`, so probably not what you want. 15:52
robertle I have done some slugifying as well, and you could do some form of stemming first, so e.g. ö -> oe. in many languages that makes the slug readable but still free of unicode characters. in some languages if you just leave of the accents you already get quite far...
sena_kun also, ooc, don't you need a really complex dictionary for that? 15:53
uzl sena_kun: If I was able to convert the cyrillic characters into ASCII right before the substitution it's applied then the string wouldn't match the pattern.
sena_kun I mean, 女子 is "joshi", but 女の子 is "onnanoko". 15:54
uzl robertle: What I'm naively doing now is using the samemark routine.
to get rid off the accents and other marks 15:55
m: 'Nín hǎo. Wǒ shì zhōng guó rén'.samemark('a').put
camelia Nin hao. Wo shi zhong guo ren
uzl sena_kun: According to the original tests (from the Python module), '影師嗎' should return 'ying-shi-ma'. 15:56
robertle uzl: sounds cool, I was doing it in java, so no samemark :) 15:58
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sena_kun uzl, no, I mean, where from does this algorithm take substitutions? 15:59
AlexDaniel unidump: 影師嗎
unicodable6 AlexDaniel, gist.github.com/2a29cc503518a1d82a...e634a65e24
AlexDaniel hm 16:01
m: say ‘👋🏽’.samemark(‘a’)
camelia 👋
AlexDaniel interesting, it removes skin tones too 16:02
m: say ‘🇦🇬’.samemark(‘a’)
camelia 🇦
AlexDaniel hahahahah
uzl sena_kun: I'll come back later. If you've some insight, just .tell me. Don't stress too much about it though ;-)! 16:04
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sena_kun has no idea how it should work internally at all 16:05
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Geth ¦ problem-solving: AlexDaniel assigned to samcv Issue Samemark breaks regional indicator symbols, should it be this way? github.com/perl6/problem-solving/issues/61 16:06
¦ problem-solving: AlexDaniel self-unassigned X::MyModule::Foo or MyModule::X::Foo ? github.com/perl6/problem-solving/issues/57
¦ problem-solving: AlexDaniel assigned to JJ Issue X::MyModule::Foo or MyModule::X::Foo ? github.com/perl6/problem-solving/issues/57
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timotimo greppable6: MVM_nativecall_unmarshal 16:44
greppable6 timotimo, Found nothing!
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TreyHarris I'm having trouble finding out how to query for all signatures of a multi... &routine.signature gives you the proto signature if defined, the exact signature of the defined multi if only one is defined, or what seems to be some superset of all defined multi's signatures if there's no proto- 19:34
So how to get a list of signatures?
hmm, I can look at the source for no-match dispatch since it prints them out...
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nine TreyHarris: &routine.candidates 19:39
TreyHarris nine: so (&foo.signature, |&foo.candidates>>.signature) will give me everything, proto first? 19:41
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TreyHarris (that's the behavior I'm seeing with a couple tests anyway) 19:42
nine I'd guess so yes 19:44
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TreyHarris hm, at the REPL if I redefine a multi without touching the signature, the old one sticks around... how can I undefine it? 19:44
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TreyHarris ("sticks around" in .candidates I mean, it's not called) 19:45
timotimo can't, except putting a new proto in there
redhands hi all, just noticed that the last release was 2019-03-01, is this date correct?
TreyHarris timotimo: ah, cool, I wasn't aware that a proto declaration cleared the slate... I don't think that's documented AFAICT 19:48
is that Perl 6, or Rakudo?
timotimo Perl 6; REPL just gives you scopes more deeply nested for each line 19:49
so it's just like putting new curlies and then the proto definition
it doesn't clear the slate so much as shadow the old
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El_Che redhands: yes, a new release should be out very soon 19:50
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redhands El_Che: that's great to hear, thanks! 19:53
Kaiepi m: say "ௌ" ~~ /./
camelia 5===SORRY!5===
Argument to "say" seems to be malformed
at <tmp>:1
------> 3say7⏏5 "ௌ" ~~ /./
Bogus postfix
at <tmp>:1
------> 3say 7⏏5"ௌ" ~~ /./
expecting any of:
infix
infix stopper
…
Kaiepi m: say "ௌ".samemark(' ') ~~ /./
camelia 5===SORRY!5===
Argument to "say" seems to be malformed
at <tmp>:1
------> 3say7⏏5 "ௌ".samemark(' ') ~~ /./
Bogus postfix
at <tmp>:1
------> 3say 7⏏5"ௌ".samemark(' ') ~~ /./
expecting any of:
infix
…
Kaiepi m: say "ௌ".NFC ~~ /./ 19:55
camelia 5===SORRY!5===
Argument to "say" seems to be malformed
at <tmp>:1
------> 3say7⏏5 "ௌ".NFC ~~ /./
Bogus postfix
at <tmp>:1
------> 3say 7⏏5"ௌ".NFC ~~ /./
expecting any of:
infix
infix stopper
…
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Kaiepi what is going on here? 19:56
El_Che redhands: in case you're using the rakudo-pkg repo's, pkgs will be updated inmediately as well
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timotimo Kaiepi: i'd expect it's merging the " with the combiner that's following it 20:01
and it won't parse that as a quoted string literal
TreyHarris timotimo: thanks, got it. So I was looking at &exit and I'm interested in why (in Rakudo at least) it has a defined `proto sub exit($?, *%) {*}` when its definitions are `multi sub exit() { &*EXIT(0) }` and `multi sub exit(Int(Any) $status) { &*EXIT($status) }` 20:05
Kaiepi is the character badly formatted or something?
TreyHarris Is that just for flexibility if others want to supply another candidate? 20:06
(If so, that's great, because that's exactly what I'm doing...)
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TreyHarris but also, how does a defined proto ($? *%) differ from not defining a proto at all? 20:07
(er, comma there)
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sena_kun m: class A { has $.x; }; CATCH { default { say $_.x; } }; await Promise.broken(A.new(x => 42)); 21:54
camelia No such method 'x' for invocant of type 'X::AdHoc+{X::Await::Died}'
in block at <tmp> line 1
in any at <tmp> line 1
in any at /home/camelia/rakudo-m-inst-2/share/perl6/runtime/CORE.d.setting.moarvm line 1
in block <unit> at <tmp> li…
sena_kun m: class A { has $.x; }; CATCH { default { say $_.x; } }; Promise.broken(A.new(x => 42)).result;
camelia No such method 'x' for invocant of type 'X::AdHoc+{X::Promise::Broken}'
in block at <tmp> line 1
in any at <tmp> line 1
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
sena_kun can someone explain to me how we say "Please, await till promise is kept or broken, and if broken, I want to catch the exception instead of something odd happening". 21:55
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ugexe m: class A { has $.x; }; CATCH { default { say $_.payload.x; } }; Promise.broken(A.new(x => 42)).result 22:21
camelia 42
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sena_kun d'oh... my custom exception class didn't have an `is Exception`, so when I did `die X::Cro::Foo` I always got X::AdHoc and was confused as hell. 22:29
ugexe++ for a hint
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lizmat weekly: richardsmith.me/celebrate-programm...verbosity/ 23:07
notable6 lizmat, Noted!
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sena_kun >I'll have more lines, I'll also have less bugs 23:16
[Citation needed] 23:18
timotimo i don't buy the "unpack to 10 lines again" argument; look at how a supply or react block can handle all kinds of stuff all at once
and not in a way that you'd pick apart into individual lines 23:19
sena_kun I wonder where is the border for this.
timotimo yeah, me too 23:20
sena_kun I mean, would people argue that using jmp and assembler cmp is clearly better than a for-loop?
timotimo or that a "list = []; for things in collection: list.append(do-thing-with(things))" is better than a collection.map(&do-thing-with)? 23:21
list = collection.map(&do-thing-with)*
sena_kun there is a line between a line noise people do for "fun" and stuff like sigils or metaops, but it is so useful to blur it and pretend it's the same thing.
timotimo do people pick apart promise/async/await code into the equivalent callback hell to understand it? 23:22
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sena_kun you can write in assembler instead of C. You will have more lines of code, but less bugs, of course, because using low-level abstractions is what humans are good at. I have never saw in my life an off-by-one error. I mean, who would do that? This would be just ridiculous. 23:23
right now I am very embarrased of myself for those witty retorts, though. :| 23:24
timotimo yeah, that's obviously a bit too far; finding the line is the real tricky part 23:26
like, the claim is almost trivial, but where to place the line is where there's going to be disagreements
.hyper.map is also a place where you probably wouldn't pick it apart to a splitter, a few workers, and a merger thread 23:27
sena_kun today I wrote gist.github.com/Altai-man/66317a11...6402b6937b <- a naive rewrite of workers example in Go, and then a more idiomatic one. 23:28
timotimo try to give the filenames a number or letter prefix so they get ordered on the page
sena_kun a more idiomatic one is declarative, you don't need to think about how it'll work, you just say "Do it in parallel, dammit!" and it just works. I am not sure where I can stick in a bug there. 23:29
timotimo oh, is "race" the right one there? does the original go code not preserve order?
sena_kun OTOH, you can always forget to close a channel or something stupid like this.
timotimo, it is not
timotimo ah, OK
sena_kun *it does not preserve
and you can always s/map/hyper/, not the issue here 23:30
timotimo i think using .eager.map(*.say) would also do the right thing, no need for the Supply?
or perhaps .list.map
or, of course, a regular "for"
sena_kun timotimo, I am just too used to supplies. ;)
timotimo ha, i can imagine
and react blocks with a single "whenever" are optimized a fair bit IIRC 23:31
sena_kun the point I wanted to make when showing this example is that you can leave no place for bugs. but in response I received "Code is bad because it has sigils!". Woah.
I am sometimes sad when seeing attemps to golf something that is golfed enough 23:32
timotimo sure 23:33
sena_kun like, when $folk-a asks here something like "I have a thing I can do in two lines of code, maybe I can do it in a single one". It feels like "Isn't it good enuogh already?", maybe it is my personal point of view, I guess, or something.
timotimo i kind of enjoy it, though, and sometimes the two-lines piece of code is less clear than the "golfed" one-line one
btw, "for n := range jobs" reads so odd in that go code 23:34
like, you're not iterating over a range there, you grab more and more items from a channel 23:35
or is the code, gasp, wrong?
sena_kun so I kind of understand the point against golfing "to death". but there is a separation between line-noise and cutting out various abstractions out of the language on purpose, because people won't get them. Then you get Java with AbstractFactoryPatternMethodClassStrategy, because you need to dance around explicitly re-inventing wheels.
timotimo mhhh
java is so super simple! everything is a class with methods, and that's it!
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timotimo wait, hold up 23:37
for ^100 { jobs <- i }
that can'- be go code :D
sena_kun .oO ( I probably should finish this Senko episode instead of writing my lame ranting here )
m: sub use($a) { say 'heh $a' }; use 'OH NO'; 23:38
camelia heh $a
timotimo i hear it's wholesome. surely more wholesome than ranting about programming opinions
sena_kun damn
m: sub use($a) { say "heh $a" }; use 'OH NO';
camelia heh OH NO
sena_kun I suspected that, but huh. 23:39
is there anything in Perl 6 that is actually a keyword and not a sub?
timotimo m: sub if($a) { say "heh $a" }; if(99)
camelia heh 99
sena_kun or kind of sub.
yes, I know about if, also returnd and friends.
timotimo use does get parsed as syntax, just not if there's a sub that's defined
sena_kun ah, I see. that's reassuring.
timotimo haha, i can't --target=parse 'use hello' because "can't find hello" 23:40
but anyway, "use Test" would otherwise be difficult, because Test isn't declared before; in fact, that is actually a declaration
and this is also the reason why speculatively compiling code further beyond one "use" has to be able to undo what it did when it finds out an earlier "use" changed the language; by introducing a "use" sub, or by augmenting the grammar, or whatever else 23:41
sena_kun I am not so many years in this community, but already want to know some place where people actually try to think about pros and cons of various options.
timotimo you mean options in language design? like "why do we allow a sub named 'use' at all"?
sena_kun no, I mean, something besides "I heard once that feature X is cool||uncool, so I'll think so till death no matter what the arguments would be. I am defending this point of view, so I won't listen to anything else. That'd be a betrayal. Who betrays their soldiers on war? Not me". 23:43
timotimo i haven't looked at it much, but raiph is active on some "programminglanguages" or similar subreddit 23:44
actually, i don't think raiph is quick to abandon communities that are or turn toxic 23:45
sena_kun sounds like God's work here. :)
timotimo they stuck around rather long on perlmonks if i remember correctly
anyway, i ought to go sleep 23:46
sena_kun this amount of nerve is hard to not respect, I guess. maybe that's just me.
timotimo, good night. o/
timotimo do you regularly see raiph's answers on stackoverflow?
they look like a whole load of work goes into each of the big ones 23:47
i don't think i give enough praise so far
sena_kun timotimo, I did, this is truly impressive deed. 23:48
timotimo okay, i'm off o/ 23:49
sena_kun o/ 23:55
SmokeMachine Hi all! I was studying gulp and wrote this clone (github.com/FCO/pulp/blob/master/pulp.p6)... does anyone it could be useful for something? If someone think it worths, I'll write some tests for it and maybe publish it... 23:56
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