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AlexDaniel | m: say 1.WHAT | 00:04 | |
camelia | (Int) | ||
AlexDaniel | BenGoldberg: because this? ↑ | ||
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BenGoldberg | m: my int $x = 1; say $x.WHAT; | 00:05 | |
camelia | (Int) | ||
AlexDaniel | hm | ||
wait… | |||
m: multi foo(Int) { ‘boxed’ }; multi foo(int) { ‘native’ }; say foo(1) | |||
camelia | boxed | ||
AlexDaniel | I'm getting “native” here… | 00:06 | |
c: all multi foo(Int) { ‘boxed’ }; multi foo(int) { ‘native’ }; say foo(1) | |||
committable6 | AlexDaniel, gist.github.com/674f621559c4475095...196ceae4dc | ||
AlexDaniel | bisect: all multi foo(Int) { ‘boxed’ }; multi foo(int) { ‘native’ }; say foo(1) | ||
bisectable6 | AlexDaniel, Bisecting by output (old=2015.12 new=86e7b2b) because on both starting points the exit code is 0 | ||
AlexDaniel | blargh | ||
bisect: multi foo(Int) { ‘boxed’ }; multi foo(int) { ‘native’ }; say foo(1) | |||
bisectable6 | AlexDaniel, bisect log: gist.github.com/3b76312cfb21e40120...a2237687c2 | ||
AlexDaniel, (2017-06-08) github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/cc...15f4103752 | |||
AlexDaniel, Bisecting by output (old=2015.12 new=86e7b2b) because on both starting points the exit code is 0 | |||
AlexDaniel, bisect log: gist.github.com/c492e405d214e16f64...2e07a3e7b8 | |||
AlexDaniel, (2017-06-08) github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/cc...15f4103752 | |||
AlexDaniel | BenGoldberg: there's a comment under that commit that seems to be relevant | 00:08 | |
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AlexDaniel | so a literal is always an Int | 00:09 | |
m: multi foo(Int) { ‘boxed’ }; multi foo(int) { ‘native’ }; say foo(1) | |||
camelia | boxed | ||
AlexDaniel | m: multi foo(Int) { ‘boxed’ }; multi foo(int) { ‘native’ }; say foo(int.new(1)) | 00:10 | |
camelia | boxed | ||
AlexDaniel | yeah, okay, you have to use a variable… | ||
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lookatme | morning | 00:24 | |
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MasterDuke | BenGoldberg: i believe Zoffix had a write-up of some thoughts for native dispatching rules in a RT, but then jnthn explained something he hadn't realized and the end result is literals have to be Int | 00:37 | |
BenGoldberg | Got it. | 00:38 | |
MasterDuke | i think it was something like the dispatcher doesn't know the "size" of the literal, so native always wins, even when the literal would overflow and you'd expect it to go to the Int candidate | 00:40 | |
Util: can anyone show up to the Perl 6 hackathon tomorrow? i wasn't able to make it to the conference, but could probably come down for some of the afternoon/evening assuming you don't need to have paid for the conference to participate | 00:45 | ||
timotimo | github.com/timo/p6profiler-tools/c...7c1cf677b6 - this shall be much better than building the sqlite3 file by hand and also piping the output of the program into dot to create an svg or whatevs | 00:59 | |
and with that i disappear into bed | |||
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BenGoldberg | Does anyone know if the following is possible? I've got a function foo, which takes a role Bar, and an object of class Baz (which isn't a Bar), and I want to make it so calling foo() with my Baz object will call some conversion subroutine. | 01:11 | |
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BenGoldberg | m: my role Foo[$z] { }; my class Bar { method Foo { say "converting"; Foo[42] } }; for Bar.new -> Foo(Bar) $x { dd $x } # coming closer... | 01:21 | |
camelia | converting Foo[Int] |
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BenGoldberg | m: my role Foo[$z] { }; my class Bar { method Foo { say "converting"; Foo[42] } }; for Bar.new -> Foo['Abc'](Bar) $x { dd $x } # coming closer... | 01:33 | |
camelia | No such method 'Foo[Str]' for invocant of type 'Bar' in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1 |
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MasterDuke | .ask Util can anyone show up to the Perl 6 hackathon tomorrow? i wasn't able to make it to the conference, but could probably come down for some of the afternoon/evening assuming you don't need to have paid for the conference to participate | ||
yoleaux | MasterDuke: I'll pass your message to Util. | ||
BenGoldberg | m: my role Foo[$z] { }; my class Bar { method Foo[$perhaps] { say "$perhaps"; Foo[42] } }; for Bar.new -> Foo['Abc'](Bar) $x { dd $x } # coming closer... | 01:34 | |
camelia | 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp> Missing block at <tmp>:1 ------> 3e Foo[$z] { }; my class Bar { method Foo7⏏5[$perhaps] { say "$perhaps"; Foo[42] } } |
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awwaiid | Util: github.com/perl6/roast/pull/97 and github.com/perl6/roast/compare/linkable-anchors are the anchors I was talking about in roast. My plan was to have a dual branch/pull-request demo, one in roast with the anchors and one in doc with a few references and a coverage script. This branch is as far as I got, and last real commit was 2016-02-06... | 01:54 | |
Util: Here is the direct link to the colon wiki page, thelackthereof.org/Perl6_Colons (though my server is being flaky, it'll be back eventually) | 01:57 | ||
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BenGoldberg | bisect: m: use NativeCall; sub system(Str --> int32) is native {...}; print system( $*EXECUTABLE ~ q{ -e 'my role a[$b] { }; constant c = a[:()]' 2>/dev/null } ); | 02:35 | |
bisectable6 | BenGoldberg, On both starting points (old=2015.12 new=86e7b2b) the exit code is 0 and the output is identical as well | ||
BenGoldberg, Output on both points: «256» | |||
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BenGoldberg | bisect: m: use NativeCall; sub system(Str --> int32) is native {...}; print system( $*EXECUTABLE ~ q{ -e 'my role a[$b] { }; constant c = a.^paramaterize: :()' 2>/dev/null } ); | 02:40 | |
bisectable6 | BenGoldberg, On both starting points (old=2015.12 new=86e7b2b) the exit code is 0 and the output is identical as well | ||
BenGoldberg, Output on both points: «256» | |||
BenGoldberg | bisect: m: use NativeCall; sub system(Str --> int32) is native {...}; print system( $*EXECUTABLE ~ q{ -e 'my role a[$b] { }; constant c = a.^parameterize: :()' 2>/dev/null } ); | ||
bisectable6 | BenGoldberg, On both starting points (old=2015.12 new=86e7b2b) the exit code is 0 and the output is identical as well | ||
BenGoldberg, Output on both points: «0» | |||
BenGoldberg | j: my role a[$b] { }; constant c = a[:()]; dd c | 02:41 | |
camelia | ===SORRY!=== setcodeobj can only be used with a CodeRef |
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BenGoldberg | j: my role a[$b] { }; constant c = a.^parameterize: :(); dd c | 02:42 | |
camelia | a[Signature] | ||
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keylet | m: say 'string'[-1]; | 07:27 | |
camelia | 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp> Unsupported use of a negative -1 subscript to index from the end; in Perl 6 please use a function such as *-1 at <tmp>:1 ------> 3say 'string'[-1]7⏏5; |
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keylet | m: say 'string'[0]; | ||
camelia | string | ||
keylet | m: say 'string'[2]; | 07:28 | |
camelia | Index out of range. Is: 2, should be in 0..0 in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1 |
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keylet | m: say 'string'.Arr; | 07:28 | |
camelia | No such method 'Arr' for invocant of type 'Str' in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1 |
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keylet | is there an alternative to Python's 'string'[-2] to get `n` ? | ||
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moritz | m: say 'string'.substr(*-2, 1) | 07:33 | |
camelia | n | ||
keylet | m: say 'string'.substr(*-1, 1) | 07:39 | |
camelia | g | ||
keylet | thank you moritz | ||
m: say ''.substr(*-1, 1) | 07:43 | ||
camelia | Start argument to substr out of range. Is: -1, should be in 0..0; in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1 |
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keylet | m: my Str $foo = ''; say so $foo eq '' or $foo.substr(*-1, 1) ne ' ' | 07:44 | |
camelia | WARNINGS for <tmp>: Useless use of "ne" in expression ".substr(*-1, 1) ne ' '" in sink context (line 1) True |
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keylet | m: my Str $foo = ''; say so $foo eq '' or $foo.substr(*-1, 1) ne ' '; | ||
camelia | WARNINGS for <tmp>: Useless use of "ne" in expression ".substr(*-1, 1) ne ' '" in sink context (line 1) True |
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moritz | m: say ''.substr(*-1, 1) // '' | ||
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keylet | say so '' ne ' '; | 07:45 | |
evalable6 | True | ||
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scimon | Well good news. I'm consistently breaking travis. travis-ci.org/Scimon/perl6-build-t.../245678395 Made a fresh repo and used the 4 modules i'm using in the Statico repo. Used mi6 to build and didn't touch the travis file. Updated META6.json with the modules. | 08:08 | |
And it breaks. | |||
I'll look into it further later. Try including less items and see what happens. Possibly update travis to not use META6 and install each module in turn. Various options. | 08:09 | ||
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keylet | m: my Int $count = 5; say "[m{$count.Str}]"; | 08:52 | |
camelia | [m5] | ||
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keylet | m: my Str $foo where $_ ne 'bar' = 'test'; | 09:13 | |
camelia | ( no output ) | ||
keylet | m: my Str $foo where $_ ne 'bar' = 'test'; $foo = 'a'; | ||
camelia | ( no output ) | ||
keylet | m: my Str $foo where $_ ne 'bar' = 'test'; $foo = 'a'; $foo = 'bar'; | ||
camelia | Type check failed in assignment to $foo; expected <anon> but got Str ("bar") in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1 |
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keylet | m: sub test (Str $foo where not $_ ~~ /[ ' || "]/) { return $foo; }; | 09:15 | |
camelia | 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp> Unable to parse expression in single quotes; couldn't find final "'" at <tmp>:1 ------> 3not $_ ~~ /[ ' || "]/) { return $foo; };7⏏5<EOL> expecting any of: single quotes … |
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keylet | m: sub test (Str $foo where not $_ ~~ /[ ' || "]/) { return $foo; } | ||
camelia | 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp> Unable to parse expression in single quotes; couldn't find final "'" at <tmp>:1 ------> 3 not $_ ~~ /[ ' || "]/) { return $foo; }7⏏5<EOL> expecting any of: single quotes … |
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keylet | glot.io/snippets/er1g8lv9rz | 09:18 | |
look, it's wonderful! :) | |||
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timotimo | m: sub test (Str $foo where none(/[' || "]/)) { return $foo }; test("yo"); test("yo'yo") | 09:30 | |
camelia | 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp> Unable to parse expression in double quotes; couldn't find final '"' at <tmp>:1 ------> 3return $foo }; test("yo"); test("yo'yo")7⏏5<EOL> expecting any of: argument list … |
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timotimo | m: sub test (Str $foo where none(/<['"]>/)) { return $foo }; test("yo"); test("yo'yo") | ||
camelia | Constraint type check failed in binding to parameter '$foo'; expected anonymous constraint to be met but got Str ("yo'yo") in sub test at <tmp> line 1 in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1 |
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timotimo | m: sub test (Str $foo where .contains(none("'", '"'))) { say $foo }; test("yo"); test("yo'yo") | 09:31 | |
camelia | yo Constraint type check failed in binding to parameter '$foo'; expected anonymous constraint to be met but got Str ("yo'yo") in sub test at <tmp> line 1 in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1 |
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keylet | it should be escaped | ||
with \ | |||
timotimo | no need if you use a character class | ||
keylet | m: sub test (Str $foo where none(/[\' || \"]/)) { return $foo }; test("yo"); test("yo'yo") | ||
camelia | Constraint type check failed in binding to parameter '$foo'; expected anonymous constraint to be met but got Str ("yo'yo") in sub test at <tmp> line 1 in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1 |
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keylet | timotimo: ok | ||
timotimo | and you can also use no regex at all for this | ||
keylet | ------> e.WHAT === Str ?? $title !! $title.Str, ⏏$new = True, $without-tab = True); | 09:33 | |
Variable '$new' is not declared | |||
should I use 'my' there? | |||
timotimo | you can | ||
or put a "my $new" in the line before it | |||
keylet | a have a method: method append (Str $innerText, Bool $new?, Bool $without-tab?) | 09:34 | |
then I try to run it: self!append($title.WHAT === Str ?? $title !! $title.Str, $new = True, $without-tab = True); | 09:35 | ||
timotimo | passing named arguments works differently, and those are positional arguments you're declaring and passing | ||
lookatme | no, that is python way | 09:36 | |
keylet | self!append($title.WHAT === Str ?? $title !! $title.Str, True, True); | ||
it that a Perl way? | 09:37 | ||
* is | |||
timotimo | docs.perl6.org/type/Signature#Sign...e_Literals | ||
lookatme | Declare named parameter `(:$new)`, then call with `(:new)` | ||
tadzik | the trailing True-s look a bit like WinAPI way to me | ||
timotimo | that is indeed a perl way. there's also the perl way for named arguments that works a bit differently | ||
tadzik | it should also take 7 undefs | 09:38 | |
timotimo | yeah, they do, tadzik | ||
also the function needs to have its name end in Ex | |||
nobody uses non-Ex functions todays | |||
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lookatme | bye ~~ | 09:42 | |
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scimon | travis-ci.org/Scimon/perl6-build-test Ok so in Travis loading File::Temp, Text::Markdown, Template::Mustache and YAMLish with zef (using dep-only) from META6.json breaks. But any combination of just three builds fine.... I'm now going to try changing the travis file to load each manually rather than using deps. | 10:25 | |
I'm also going to try a docker build at some point. | |||
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scimon | (doing the zef install for all 4 at once also fails) | 10:56 | |
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scimon | I have opened an issue withTravis about the fun I'm having. | 11:16 | |
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zengargoyle | scimon++ | 11:21 | |
eveo | scimon: I still see you're using script and sudo sections other dists aren't using. Have you tried removing them? | 11:22 | |
zengargoyle | wonder if it's running out of memory or something. | ||
Geth | ecosystem: 0a3f06fc31 | prodotiscus++ | META.list Add Dictionary::Create to ecosystem See github.com/prodotiscus/perl6-Dictionary-Create |
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zengargoyle | i've tried with no sudo (but still a script) and it still fails. | ||
scimon | eveo: I'll get rid of them. I've been using mi6 to gen my modules and that's what it adds. | ||
zengargoyle | but it fails in the zef install part before getting to the final script. | ||
it doesn't get to the Testing or Installing phase of install --depsonly . | 11:24 | ||
scimon | If anyone wants to mess about in that repo it's fine by me. I made it as a test bed. | ||
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scimon | going back to all in one bit. Removed script and sudo section and added 2017.06 as a perl6 version. | 11:27 | |
And now going on lunch. | 11:28 | ||
zengargoyle | i've run a few pared down cases from zengargoyle/p6-TestMe, | ||
prodotiscus | I'm trying to `zef install Dictionary::Create` now, but zef says `===> Searching for: Dictionary::Create` and don't find it | 11:29 | |
* doesn't | |||
is it ok? | |||
eveo | buggable: eco dictionary | ||
buggable | eveo, Search::Dict 'a fast binary search of dictionary like files': github.com/zengargoyle/p6-Search-Dict | ||
eveo | prodotiscus: what distro is that module in? Are you sure it exists? | 11:30 | |
prodotiscus | you can see, a added it to ecosystem | ||
but it is my first module upload, so I could do somthing wrong | |||
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Ven | o/ | 11:31 | |
prodotiscus | [14:23] <+Geth> ¦ ecosystem: 0a3f06fc31 | prodotiscus++ | META.list [14:23] <+Geth> ¦ ecosystem: Add Dictionary::Create to ecosystem [14:23] <+Geth> ¦ ecosystem: [14:23] <+Geth> ¦ ecosystem: See github.com/prodotiscus/perl6-Dictionary-Create [14:23] <+Geth> ¦ ecosystem: review: github.com/perl6/ecosystem/commit/0a3f06fc31 | ||
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eveo | prodotiscus: try again. You can just tried to update it before the ecosystem got update | 11:31 | |
Ven`` | m: for $s.comb { say $s.substr(0, ++$).parse-base(16); } | 11:32 | |
camelia | 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp> Variable '$s' is not declared at <tmp>:1 ------> 3for 7⏏5$s.comb { say $s.substr(0, ++$).parse-ba |
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eveo | tried to install it I mean | ||
Ven`` | m: $s = '0234234'; for $s.comb { say $s.substr(0, ++$).parse-base(16); } | ||
camelia | 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp> Variable '$s' is not declared at <tmp>:1 ------> 3<BOL>7⏏5$s = '0234234'; for $s.comb { say $s.sub |
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Ven`` | *sigh* | ||
m: my $s = '0234234'; for $s.comb { say $s.substr(0, ++$).parse-base(16); } | |||
camelia | 0 2 35 564 9026 144419 2310708 |
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prodotiscus | eveo: try zef install again? | ||
zengargoyle | prodotiscus: `zef search Dictionary::Create` finds it now. :) | ||
prodotiscus | ok, thank you :) | 11:33 | |
Ven`` | I don't understand that m: | ||
eveo | prodotiscus: yes, last eco update should've run at 28m | ||
Ven`` | I don't seem to mutate the string... | ||
fwiw, without parse-base: | |||
m: my $s = '0234234'; for $s.comb { say $s.substr(0, ++$); } | |||
camelia | 0 02 023 0234 02342 023423 0234234 |
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Ven`` | it works without the .parse-base | ||
prodotiscus | `m:` evaluates your perl6 code | 11:34 | |
eveo | It runs o. 8th, 28th and 48th minute of the hour and takes a couple of minutes to complete and it takes about 1-2 hrs for it to show up on modules.perl6.org | ||
Ven`` | prodotiscus: ?? | ||
I know what m: does – I mean I don't understand the results I get. | |||
prodotiscus | Ven``: I thought you do not understand what `m:` does, sorry :) | ||
Ven`` | I wasn't clear, my bad | 11:35 | |
eveo | m: say '0234234'.parse-base: 16 | ||
camelia | 2310708 | ||
eveo | Ven``: looks right? What part confuses you? | ||
parsebase treats the numeral in the string as being in base 16 above | 11:36 | ||
m: say 2310708.base: 16 | |||
camelia | 234234 | ||
Ven`` | oh, I must be behind on my local version. | ||
It stops after the first iteration | |||
m: my $s = '0x098647820001114a00000000'; for $s.comb { say $s.substr(0, ++$).parse-base(16); } | 11:37 | ||
camelia | 0 Cannot convert string to number: malformed base-16 number in '030⏏5x' (indicated by ⏏) in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1 |
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Ven`` | oh, maybe the exception isn't printed because of the say in the REPL | ||
eveo | It should be | 11:38 | |
zengargoyle | scimon: if i do: (for f in File::Temp Text::Markdown Template::Mustache YAMLish; do zef --verbose install $f; done) | ||
in travis, *it works* ... | |||
eveo | Ven``: You can use :16($foo) to parse all the weird stuff like 0x prefixes | ||
Ven`` | I'll update my rakudo to see if that's the issue. | 11:39 | |
zengargoyle | either install --depsonly is conking out or travis is killing it for some reason. | ||
eveo | Might be... | ||
zengargoyle | travis-ci.org/zengargoyle/p6-TestM.../245741510 | 11:41 | |
scimon | :zengargoyle yeah when I tried all for one per line (because copy pasta) that worked in linux but not osx. Arg. | ||
zengargoyle | mine passed the osx also... | ||
eveo | Hmm... Wonder if it's the proc regression that crashes | 11:42 | |
You could try 2017.05 rakudo instead of latest | |||
Though IIRC it crashes less on OSX than on Linux | |||
Oh wait no, that was for another already fixed bug | 11:43 | ||
buggable: eco mustach | 11:44 | ||
buggable | eveo, Template::Mustache 'A logic-free, cross-language templating format': github.com/softmoth/p6-Template-Mustache | ||
eveo | don't see it do any proc piping, but maybe zef does | 11:46 | |
anyway, yeah, trying 2017.05 rakudo instead of latest is worth a try. | 11:47 | ||
eveo & | |||
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scimon | I'll add it to the list :) | 11:47 | |
Ven`` | nope, evne with the new version, the REPL doesn't show the failure | 11:48 | |
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Ven`` | m: say 'a'.group-by(2); | 11:50 | |
camelia | No such method 'group-by' for invocant of type 'Str' in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1 |
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Ven`` | the REPL is acting weird... | ||
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zengargoyle | .tel eveo 2017.05 passed the install --depsonly | 12:05 | |
.tell eveo 2017.05 passed the install --depsonly | |||
yoleaux | zengargoyle: I'll pass your message to eveo. | ||
zengargoyle | scimon: ^^^ | ||
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eveo | zengargoyle: scimon OK, then it could well be the proc issue. The ticket is this and should be fixed this or next week. rt.perl.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=131592 | 12:06 | |
yoleaux | 12:05Z <zengargoyle> eveo: 2017.05 passed the install --depsonly | ||
eveo | Ven``: what perl6 version are you on? | 12:07 | |
Ven`` | eveo: I just pull'd && made | ||
eveo | maybe I should do another toaster run for latest IO changes | ||
Ven`` | I got tons of "WARNING: unhandled Failure detected in DESTROY. If you meant to ignore it, you can mark it as handled by calling .Bool, .so, .not, or .defined methods. The Failure was:" in my for loop | ||
every iteration of my (buggy) for loop | 12:08 | ||
zengargoyle | cool, this or another proc thing was the same little glitch i ran into a few days ago. :) | ||
eveo | Ven``: that indicates the REPL fails to sink that for loop and the Failure never expldoes | ||
eveo builds latest and greatest | 12:09 | ||
Ven`` | well, many a failure | ||
it doesn't sink each iteration | |||
zengargoyle is starting to get the hang of using `hub` and `travis` CLI tools for the never ending quest of browser avoidance. | |||
Ven`` | I get it twice, even... | 12:10 | |
ohhh, I get it now. | |||
eveo | ? | ||
Ven`` | I get, all in a row, all the failures from the previous `for` loops | ||
when I didn't get any failure. | |||
eveo | Yeah, you get that warning when an unhandled Failure gets GCed | ||
Ven`` | yes, but I'd expect `for { buggy code here }` to fail there and then | 12:11 | |
not to wait until the next GC run to DESTROY them | |||
eveo | It's not buggy. It's failury | ||
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eveo | So handle your Failures then :P | 12:11 | |
Ven`` | why isn't the content of my for sink'd? | 12:12 | |
eveo | Because it's a bug in REPL | ||
Ven`` | fair enough then | ||
eveo | Actually, no | ||
Works fine for me. | |||
Ven``: what exactly are you running that you get no explosions? | |||
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eveo | When I run my $s = '0x098647820001114a00000000'; for $s.comb { say $s.substr(0, ++$).parse-base(16); } it explodes | 12:13 | |
Ven`` | eveo: gist.github.com/vendethiel/1fb3998...91c499feea | ||
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eveo | Ah, I had `say` in mine | 12:14 | |
m: my $s = '0x098647820001114a00000000'; for $s.comb { $s.substr(0, ++$).parse-base(16); } | |||
camelia | Cannot convert string to number: malformed base-16 number in '030⏏5x' (indicated by ⏏) in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1 |
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eveo | m: for 1 { +'x' }; $ = $ | 12:15 | |
camelia | WARNINGS for <tmp>: Useless use of "+" in expression "+'x'" in sink context (line 1) |
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eveo | mc: for 1 { +'x' }; $ = $ | ||
committable6 | eveo, ¦2015.12: «WARNINGS for /tmp/rFF2_jEaGn:Useless use of "+" in expression "+'x'" in sink context (line 1)» | ||
araraloren | evening | 12:16 | |
Ven`` | eveo: can you confirm the bug (failures not sunk) without the `say`? | ||
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eveo | Ven``: 1 sec | 12:18 | |
m: for 1 { ^2 .map: &say } | |||
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eveo | ^ other bugs are interfering with my research :) | 12:19 | |
Ven`` | oh. :o | 12:20 | |
eveo | Ven``: filed: rt.perl.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=131622 | 12:21 | |
It's not just the REPL, but a general thing | |||
m: &say.^name | |||
camelia | ( no output ) | ||
eveo | m: &say.^name.say | ||
camelia | Sub | ||
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scimon | eveo: Thanks. I now have to joy of a 2 hour long meeting... yay. | 12:22 | |
timotimo | i wonder if we should supply things like base64 and different compression algos as Decoder/Encoder objects? | ||
Ven`` | eveo++ | ||
omg, a timotimo! hi. | 12:23 | ||
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timotimo | yo ven | 12:23 | |
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eveo | And ticket for the count method thing: rt.perl.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=131623 | 12:25 | |
Juerd | timotimo: That could be a nice addition for gist.github.com/Juerd/ae574b87d40a66649692 even | ||
eveo | timotimo: sounds a fine idea for a module :) | ||
That's the whole point of Decoder/Encoder innit? User-lang dec./enc. | 12:26 | ||
timotimo | i think so | 12:27 | |
jnthn | I'm not sure timotimo was meaning "in core", just whether they made sense to do that way as modules :) | ||
timotimo | yup | ||
eveo | \o | ||
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jnthn | And yeah, but we need to write some kind of implementation of the roles that acts as a "composite" | 12:27 | |
timotimo | right, the "first decode this file as gzip, but the contents are utf8 encoded strings" | 12:28 | |
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Juerd | timotimo: $foo.decode("gzip").decode([ ::Inf => [ ::uint32 => "utf-8" ] ])? :) | 12:30 | |
jnthn | But decode is spec'd as blob => str | 12:31 | |
Juerd | jnthn: I'm ignoring that part :) | ||
jnthn | Which is why it'd more need a composition :) | ||
Juerd personally doesn't see any conceptual difference between unpacking/packing and decoding/encoding | 12:32 | ||
utf-8 is just another way to pack an integer | |||
jnthn | I'm just sayin' that it'd be more like a single call the .decode passing in a thing that is a composition of gzip and utf-8 | 12:33 | |
*call to | |||
Juerd | Then you'd need to come up with a syntax for something that the language already has syntax for: a sequence of operations, each done on the output of the previous one | 12:34 | |
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timotimo | not quite | 12:34 | |
because when you naively just compose these you have different output to input types in between | 12:35 | ||
Juerd | That's another thing we already have syntax for: defining which kind of arguments and return values procedures will have :). Although it'd probably require different method names for returning something else. | 12:36 | |
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user3 | I have these 2 lines in a program p.6 and I want to print a usage message when the program is invoked either as "perl6 p.6 --help" or "perl6 p.6 help" | 14:04 | |
multi MAIN(:$help) { say 'Usage etc'} | |||
multi MAIN('help') { callsame MAIN '--help'} | |||
This works for "perl6 p.6 --help" but not for "perl6 p.6 help" | |||
I've tried a number of variations on callsame MAIN ... but I can't get it right | 14:05 | ||
raschipi | user3: subcommands like that seems to be a hot topic in the last few days. I don't know the answer, but hopefully someone can help you. | 14:07 | |
[Coke] | --help and help are two different things. | ||
user3 | yes, of course | ||
geekosaur | user3, when invoking MAIN within perl6, it would need to be :help not '--help' | 14:08 | |
user3 | both work | ||
oops | |||
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user3 | not sure | 14:09 | |
[Coke] | also, "say $?USAGE" could be the body for both. | ||
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[Coke] | (hurm, maybe not) | 14:10 | |
geekosaur | the translation from command line form to internal pair form is not built into MAIN, it's built into perl 6's command line handling, so when invoking MAIN from within perl 6 you need to use the pair form. | ||
[Coke] | multi MAIN('help') { MAIN :help } | ||
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user3 | trying it... | 14:10 | |
[Coke] | m: say $?USAGE | 14:11 | |
camelia | 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp> Variable '$?USAGE' is not declared at <tmp>:1 ------> 3say 7⏏5$?USAGE |
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[Coke] | m: multi MAIN('eek') { ... } ; say $?USAGE | ||
camelia | 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp> Variable '$?USAGE' is not declared at <tmp>:1 ------> 3multi MAIN('eek') { ... } ; say 7⏏5$?USAGE |
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[Coke] | m: sub MAIN('eek') { ... } ; say $?USAGE | ||
camelia | 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp> Variable '$?USAGE' is not declared at <tmp>:1 ------> 3sub MAIN('eek') { ... } ; say 7⏏5$?USAGE |
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[Coke] wonders if the docs on $?USAGE need .. removing | |||
user3 | ok, that works to print the Usage message but I also get this error message: Too many positionals passed; expected 0 arguments but got 1 | 14:13 | |
[Coke] | can you nopaste your source? | 14:14 | |
(and the command line you used) | |||
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user3 | well, my source is just the 2 lines above, with the modification your suggested for the 2nd line | 14:15 | |
[Coke] | with that, if I run 'perl6 foo.p6 --help' and 'perl6 foo.p6 help', I get the usage each time, no warnings. | 14:16 | |
what version of perl6 are you using? | |||
gist.github.com/coke/7bd482ccea894...a220dce5fa | 14:17 | ||
Util | The hackathon has started; see: github.com/dcbpw/tpc-2017-dc/wiki | 14:18 | |
yoleaux | 01:33Z <MasterDuke> Util: can anyone show up to the Perl 6 hackathon tomorrow? i wasn't able to make it to the conference, but could probably come down for some of the afternoon/evening assuming you don't need to have paid for the conference to participate | ||
user3 | This is Rakudo version 2017.04.3-176-g824cfa3 built on MoarVM version 2017.04-56-g8ad18b8 implementing Perl 6.c | ||
Util | MasterDuke: Yes, anyone can come! (awwaiid says so!) | ||
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scimon | Enjoy folks. | 14:19 | |
user3 | This is my source: multi MAIN(:$help) { say 'Usage etc' }; multi MAIN('help') { callsame MAIN :help} | ||
[Coke] | why callsame? | ||
user3 | And I get precisely this whey I run perl6 p.6 help | ||
Usage etc | |||
Too many positionals passed; expected 0 arguments but got 1 in sub MAIN at p.6 line 1 in block <unit> at p.6 line 1 | 14:20 | ||
[Coke]: I'm learning p.6 and I try different commands | |||
*I'm learning perl 6 | |||
[Coke] | "Very often, a re-dispatch passes the same argument along that the caller received, so there is a special routine for that: callsame" | ||
you're explicitly trying to get to another method with different args, so don't try to call it that way. | 14:21 | ||
user3 | ok | ||
[Coke] | so, remove 'callsame', and it works. | ||
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user3 | wow | 14:21 | |
that works now | |||
why is callsame useful for, exactly? | 14:22 | ||
*what | |||
raschipi | user3: when you don't actually know the name you have been called with | ||
[Coke] | user3: perl6.party/post/Perl6-But-Heres-M...with-Maybe | ||
zoffix did a deep dive there a few months ago. | 14:23 | ||
raschipi | Or when you want to mess with P6's dispatch, nice | ||
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[Coke] | user3: so maybe "nextwith :help" might be appropriate. | 14:27 | |
(nope, that has no output. hurm.) | |||
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user3 | it would be cleaner to avoid re-using the name "MAIN" in the second form | 14:29 | |
that is, nextwith would be cleaner (if it worked) | 14:30 | ||
Util | eveo, Ulti: Regarding the not-to-be-introspected Junctions from yesterday; | 14:31 | |
Brian's code that is parsing .perl instead of introspection is in 18m58s-20m12s of: | |||
www.youtube.com/watch?v=D16wa-gnFwE | |||
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eveo | Util: do you know the timecode where it's mentioned? | 14:32 | |
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Util | 18m58s-20m12s , as I said :^) | 14:33 | |
eveo | Ah, right :D | 14:34 | |
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Util | The slide that show his code is up for that 74 seconds. | 14:34 | |
[Coke] did not realize there were two Brian Duggans | |||
eveo | dafuq | 14:35 | |
Util | Coke: Yes, one is Brian Duggan (pronounced doo-gan), the other is Brian Duggan (pronounced dug-an). | ||
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eveo | m:sub foo("foo") {}; &foo.signature.params[0].constraints[0].^name.say | 14:36 | |
evalable6 | Junction | ||
eveo | mc: sub foo("foo") {}; &foo.signature.params[0].constraints[0].^name.say | ||
committable6 | eveo, ¦2015.12: «Junction» | ||
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eveo | why ain't it just a Str | 14:37 | |
I bet there's some perf to gain right there and then | |||
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moritz | looks like a bug to me | 14:37 | |
eveo | mc: sub foo(1) {}; &foo.signature.params[0].constraints[0].^name.say | ||
committable6 | eveo, ¦2015.12: «Junction» | ||
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eveo | Yeah | 14:37 | |
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[Coke] wonders why rakudobrew build nom generates Creating tools/build/install-jvm-runner.pl ... | 14:38 | ||
eveo | Hm, I don't see any Junctions in ASTs for the sub itself. It prolly the .constraints stuff that makes it; to shove all the constraints in it | ||
user3 | [Coke]: it's samewith, not nextwith | 14:39 | |
it works now | |||
eveo | Yup: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/blob/86e7...ter.pm#L96 | ||
Mistery solved \o/ | 14:40 | ||
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[Coke] | eveo check the # of elems, and only all() if >1 ? | 14:46 | |
eveo | mhm | 14:47 | |
Well... dunno. Is this stuff used in core somewhere? | |||
The "always get a junction" is nice than variable return type | 14:48 | ||
Not my area of expertise, so I'll leave it for someone else :) | |||
[Coke] | user3: oh, right, because callwith requires it to have been a matching candidate to start with. | ||
(ditto nextwith) | |||
user3++ | 14:49 | ||
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Util | eveo, Ulti: Brian just showed me his slides; the code is on #33,#34 of bduggan.github.io/meta-perl6-cli/ | 14:54 | |
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eveo | Util: yeah, I found where the junction is made | 14:55 | |
github.com/rakudo/rakudo/blob/86e7...ter.pm#L96 | |||
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zengargoyle | Util++ mice talk. | 14:58 | |
eveo giggles | 14:59 | ||
gah, Glot.IO is still on v2017.01 | 15:01 | ||
Makes my shiny use of ≥ crash :/ | 15:02 | ||
I guess I'll wait for next R* before telling them to upgrade, since 2017.04 was kinda of a lemon | |||
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raschipi | Is it possible to collapse a junction with just one element into it's element? Because junctions are meant to be used in boolean context, and it isn't easy to collapse them... | 15:08 | |
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perlpilot | raschipi: "is it possible?" questions almost always have an affirmative answer with Perl ;) | 15:11 | |
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raschipi | Yeah, but is it easy... | 15:11 | |
perlpilot | (and I say "almost" to account for those questions where the laws of the universe are violated :) | ||
Util | zengargoyle: Thanks! But, do you really mean *my* talk (Perl 6...brain), or Brian's (CLI metaprogramming)? | 15:12 | |
perlpilot | Util: I liked your talk too (just watched it last night) | ||
eveo | raschipi: you're not meant to. Whether it's easy or impossible is irrelevant. | ||
m: say gather <a b c>.any».take | 15:13 | ||
camelia | (a b c) | ||
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perlpilot | Util: I was anticipating some of your slides as you revealed that you do some of the exact same things that I do :) | 15:13 | |
raschipi | I know you're not meant to in normal circunstances, but if I want to introspect a constrain and p6 gives me a junction, I will have to unbox it... | 15:14 | |
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eveo | It'll likely be -> ;; $_? is raw { #`(Block|72808472) ... } more often than not. | 15:17 | |
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eveo | New blog post: "Perl 6: Seqs, Drugs, And Rock'n'Roll": perl6.party/post/Perl-6-Seqs-Drugs...ock-n-Roll | 15:19 | |
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Xliff | Can someone tell me why I am getting "Missing block (apparently claimed by expression) | 15:25 | |
" in this block: gist.github.com/Xliff/f5a310aa0672...b8fba50c40 | |||
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eveo | Xliff: don't see anything wrong with that code | 15:26 | |
geekosaur | er? | ||
Xliff | eveo: That's what I thought... nevertheless, there is still an error. | ||
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eveo | Xliff: prove it :) | 15:27 | |
geekosaur | isn't the given itself wrong? | ||
Xliff | It is surrounded by "for $*REPO.repo-chain { ... }" | ||
AlexDaniel | yea, given what? | ||
eveo | Ah yeah :) | ||
Xliff: remove the `given` block | |||
Xliff | What is wrong with the given? I thought that form would assume $_ | ||
eveo | entirely | ||
geekosaur | Xliff, given *binds* $_ | 15:28 | |
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eveo | Xliff: no, it aliases stuff to $_ and you didn't give it stuff to alias | 15:28 | |
geekosaur | to the expression you give it | ||
Xliff | figgers | ||
geekosaur | which expression is your block, as written | ||
eveo | Xliff: and you don't need to, since you already have `for` aliasing it for you | ||
m: for ^3 { when 2 { .say } } | 15:29 | ||
camelia | 2 | ||
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user3 | I have another question regarding multi MAIN, namely I if I put this code in a file p.6 and I invoke it without arguments, that is "perl6 p.6", it calls the second form instead of the first: | 15:31 | |
multi MAIN() { say 'this'}; multi MAIN(:$help) { say 'that' } | |||
??? | 15:32 | ||
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moritz | user3: named arguments are optional by default | 15:33 | |
geekosaur | both of them match the usage, the later one wins. (absence of --help means $help is False) | ||
user3 | but the 1st form is more "narrow" | ||
moritz | user3: if you say multi MAIN(:$help!) { }, it'll be called | ||
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user3 | ok | 15:34 | |
Xliff | Thanks eveo++ and geekosaur++ | 15:35 | |
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zengargoyle | Util: your talk :) the number of times i did some p6 or even p6(5.22+ish) and then went back to 5.8 or 5.10 for production ... | 15:39 | |
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Xliff | Why "Texas" in "Texas Equivalents"? | 15:42 | |
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zengargoyle | everything's bigger in Texas... | 15:42 | |
moritz | in texas, everything is bigger | ||
raschipi | Because they're bigger, like everything in Texas | ||
Xliff | LOL | ||
moritz | and << is bigger than « | ||
Xliff | I get it now. :P | ||
And y'all couldn't just say "Larger Equivalents" right? | 15:43 | ||
Coz it just wasn't "big" enough? :) | |||
raschipi | In Brazil, they can be called Operadores de Itu. | ||
zengargoyle | not punny enough. | ||
Xliff | zengargoyle: that too. | ||
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Util | zengargoyle, perlpilot : cool! I am glad you both liked it. Thanks for saying so. | 15:49 | |
moritz | Util: the slides looked pretty good. Would've loved to have been there | 15:50 | |
raschipi | Util, moritz do you have a link to the slides? | 15:51 | |
zengargoyle thinks p6 is just a ploy to improve unicode awareness and input methods. sorta like sneaking in those metric units in soda bottles. :P | |||
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zengargoyle | hack.p6c.org/~util/talks/ | 15:53 | |
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raschipi | zengargoyle: is cocaine also a ploy to get people hooked into metric units? | 15:53 | |
zengargoyle | so says the first slide of the talk. www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUXclZ_d0DQ | 15:54 | |
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[Coke] | (I think texas is also meant to evoke the USASCII-only world at the opposite end of unicode on the spectrum) | 15:57 | |
moritz | [Coke]: maybe, but that's not such a fun story to tell :-) | 15:58 | |
zengargoyle | heh, i remember the 70-80's when kids tv was trying to convert the US to metric... i'm still trying to force my brain as much as possible. | ||
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rightfold | zengargoyle: we could do a little quiz | 16:04 | |
For example: how many meters in a kilometer? | |||
Or this tricky one: how many milliliters in a centiliter? | |||
raschipi | How many yards in a meter? | 16:05 | |
rightfold | How many bytes in a kilobyte? :trollface: | ||
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zengargoyle | double the celsius, subtract 1/10th (floor) add 32. | 16:05 | |
rightfold | Convert via Kelvin | ||
geekosaur | rankine :p | 16:06 | |
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rightfold | :sadpepe: | 16:07 | |
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zengargoyle wonders if p6 needs a number class that has an associated unit and makes sure all calculations are cromulent. :P | 16:12 | ||
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rightfold | Meh, units | 16:13 | |
Why not go full symbolic computation, making units just normal unbound variables | |||
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zengargoyle | i think somebody did a p5 moose thingy that did that. some physics type person. | 16:13 | |
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perlpilot | zengargoyle: if you search the logs for this channel you'll find the topic of "numbers with units" has come up before :) | 16:16 | |
zengargoyle | heh | 16:17 | |
zengargoyle wonders if `units` or some other unit-y type program has a library that could be nativecallable.... | 16:18 | ||
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rightfold | It's not had | 16:21 | |
hard* | |||
There's a simple PureScript library that does this | |||
zengargoyle | yeay, i'm just thinking something like units already has all the data. sorta like relying on unicode tables and timezone information. let somebody else worry about the fine details. | 16:23 | |
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Geth | doc: a55e9dd9f0 | (Zoffix Znet)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | doc/Type/Iterator.pod6 Document Iterator.count-only and .bool-only |
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user3 | More questions about "multi MAIN". | 17:38 | |
I put the following in a file p.6 and invoke it as "perl6 p.6 help" or "perl6 p.6 --help" (works correctly): | |||
multi MAIN(:$help!) { say 'this' }; multi MAIN('help') { samewith :help} | |||
However I think this can be simplified further by declaring an alternative parameter, like in sub f(:color($colour)) { say ''}. This is my best guess but doesnt work: | 17:39 | ||
multi MAIN('help'(:$help!)) { say 'this' } | |||
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user3 | ??? | 17:39 | |
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Ulti | user3 what was the command line you wanted? | 17:39 | |
user3 | perl6 p6 help or perl6 p6 --help | 17:40 | |
Ulti | command help thing <--- something like that? | ||
so you want both | |||
user3 | i want both to work, yes | ||
Ulti | then yeah you just have a main target with :$help and another with 'help' | 17:41 | |
does that not work? | |||
user3 | heres the error message: | ||
Ulti tries out locally | |||
raschipi | The alternative parameters need to have the same type but different spellings, you're looking for parameters of different types. | 17:42 | |
user3 | oops I get no error message | ||
it just prints the default Usage message | |||
Ulti | user3: gist.github.com/MattOates/eaa7d6bd...76c9c9cd71 | 17:44 | |
that works for me locally ^ | |||
user3 | is it the one you tried: multi MAIN('help'(:$help!)) { say 'this' } | 17:46 | |
I'm uncertain about the syntax to use, I'm new to perl 6 | 17:47 | ||
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travis-ci | Doc build errored. Zoffix Znet 'Document Iterator.count-only and .bool-only' | 17:55 | |
travis-ci.org/perl6/doc/builds/245874829 github.com/perl6/doc/compare/c128b...5e9dd9f00e | |||
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Util | m: my $fh = open "/expected/to/fail", :w; $fh.print("hi"); $fh.close; | 19:23 | |
camelia | open is disallowed in restricted setting in sub restricted at src/RESTRICTED.setting line 1 in sub open at src/RESTRICTED.setting line 9 in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1 |
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Util | OK, obviously I cannot have Camelia show it to you, but we (at the hackathon) get this error from .print: | ||
Too many positionals passed; expected 1 argument but got 2 | |||
Is the Failure working-as-designed and just giving a LTA message, or is there a more substantial problem here? | |||
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moritz | m: say Mu.^can('print') | 19:24 | |
camelia | (print) | ||
moritz | Mu has an argumentless print method | ||
which you can use like this: | |||
m: 42.print | |||
camelia | 42 | ||
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moritz | that's inherited to Failure too | 19:24 | |
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Util | moritz: *should* it be inherited intact to Failure, or should we overide .print in Failure to avoid this LTA message? | 19:25 | |
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moritz | Util: I don't know what's best | 19:27 | |
m: sub f() { fail 42 }; f().print | |||
camelia | 42 in sub f at <tmp> line 1 in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1 |
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moritz | it seems to blow up on .print() anway | ||
then I guess we could override it | |||
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Util | m: sub f() { fail 42 }; f().print('foo'); | 19:29 | |
camelia | Too many positionals passed; expected 1 argument but got 2 in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1 |
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Util | ^^ That is what is so confusing; we found it when trying to run `p6doc-index build` on a secured dir without `sudo`. | 19:29 | |
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moritz | should be easy to fix with a print method with a catch-all signature | 19:38 | |
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Util | moritz: I see. We will play with this . Thanks! | 19:42 | |
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keylet | m: my %hash = foo => "bar"; say %hash.elems; | 19:53 | |
camelia | 1 | ||
keylet | m: my %hash; say %hash.elems; | ||
camelia | 0 | ||
keylet | m: my %hash = foo => "bar"; say so %hash.elems > 1; | 19:54 | |
camelia | False | ||
masak | m: say (%).elems | ||
camelia | 0 | ||
keylet | m: my %hash = foo => "bar", lorem => "ipsum"; say so %hash.elems > 1; | ||
camelia | True | ||
masak | that `so` (in both cases) is not needed | ||
because `>` already gives you a Bool | 19:55 | ||
keylet | masak: ok | ||
masak .oO( reduce your keypresses! save the environment! ) | |||
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keylet | m: my %hash = foo => "bar"; say "lorem ipsum %hash dolor sit"; | 19:56 | |
camelia | lorem ipsum %hash dolor sit | ||
keylet | m: my %hash = foo => "bar"; say "lorem ipsum {%hash} dolor sit"; | ||
camelia | lorem ipsum foo bar dolor sit | ||
keylet | m: my %hash = foo => "bar"; say "lorem ipsum {%hash} sit amet"; | ||
camelia | lorem ipsum foo bar sit amet | ||
masak | m: my %hash = foo => "bar"; say %hash.Str.perl | 19:57 | |
camelia | "foo\tbar" | ||
masak | yup; that's a tab character between the "foo" and the "bar" | ||
moritz | m: my %hash = foo => "bar"; say "lorem ipsum %hash{} dolor sit"; | ||
camelia | lorem ipsum foo bar dolor sit | ||
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masak prefers the {%hash} form these days | 19:57 | ||
keylet | m: my %hash; say %hash.elems == 0; | 19:59 | |
camelia | True | ||
keylet | m: my %hash; say %hash.elems === 0; | ||
camelia | True | ||
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keylet | m: my %hash; say %hash.elems eq 0; | 19:59 | |
camelia | True | ||
keylet | it's funny | ||
masak | m: my %hash; say %hash.elems eqv 0; | 20:00 | |
camelia | True | ||
masak | m: my %hash; say %hash.elems ~~ 0; | ||
camelia | True | ||
keylet | is `==` only correct there? | ||
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masak | keylet: to a first approximation, "yes" :) | 20:00 | |
m: my %hash; say %hash.elems | 20:01 | ||
camelia | 0 | ||
masak | m: my %hash; say !%hash.elems | ||
camelia | True | ||
masak | m: my %hash; say !%hash | ||
camelia | True | ||
masak | that last one is the shortest way to express "is it empty?" | ||
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moritz | it's kinda hard to go shorter than a single character :-) | 20:02 | |
masak | that's why I could say it with such confidence | ||
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masak | though... empty string tends to be the shortest quine in many languages :P | 20:02 | |
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masak | m: | 20:05 | |
samcv | m: use experimental :collation; say ('ae', 'ar', 'æ').collate | ||
camelia | (ae ar æ) | ||
moritz | ... and they are banned from all golf contents :-) | ||
*contests | 20:06 | ||
masak | what's .collate? | ||
samcv | uses unicode collation algorithm | ||
moritz | sorting with the Unicode collation algorithm | ||
masak | ooh | ||
moritz | masak: you should, like, totally read my book :-) | ||
samcv | docs.perl6.org/language/experimental#Collation | ||
masak | I most definitely should | ||
samcv | need to update the page. since you can now reverse the sorting of case, but not touch how diacritics/letters themselves are compared as well | 20:07 | |
but basically that there | |||
masak | moritz++ # wrote a book | ||
moritz++ # no, wait, two!? | |||
samcv | m: use experimental :collation; say ('ae', 'ar', 'æ', 'AE').collate | 20:08 | |
camelia | (ae ar AE æ) | ||
keylet | m: my %hash = foo => "bar"; say "[tag {%hash.fmt('%s="%s"')}][/tag]"; | ||
camelia | [tag foo="bar"][/tag] | ||
keylet | m: my %hash = foo => 100500; say "[tag {%hash.fmt('%s="%s"')}][/tag]"; | ||
camelia | [tag foo="100500"][/tag] | ||
samcv | m: use experimental :collation; say ('ae', 'ar', 'æ', 'AE','bc','rf', '12').collate | ||
camelia | (12 ae ar AE bc rf æ) | ||
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samcv | working on getting æ sorting in the right place atm. which is complex. which is why i'm testing it here | 20:09 | |
so far multiple collation keys for a single codepoint are NYI but the rest is | |||
though the next step is much more complex :X | |||
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samcv | :O \o/ making progress | 20:14 | |
got (12 ae ar æ AE bc rf) as the collation result for sorting ('ae', 'ar', 'æ', 'AE','bc','rf', '12') finally | |||
which i *think* is correct :) | |||
i mean it looks rigth visually. heh | 20:15 | ||
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samcv | right now it uses kind of simplistic things not using actual 'arrays' and only single primary,secondary, tetriary values for each cp, but the code i'm working on now actually uses arrays which will enable fancy stuff like having æ sort with ae as i luckily finally got :) | 20:16 | |
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raschipi | samcv: (12 ae ar æ AE bc rf) --> But æ isn't sorting with ae, it's sorting with ar... | 20:34 | |
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samcv | yeah it is. but ignore that | 20:44 | |
haha | |||
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samcv | that's caused by a different issue, but the fact that it's sorting with the a's means it's working | 20:45 | |
raschipi | noice | 20:46 | |
you're looking into localized collation rules too? Or just doing the general case? | |||
samcv | general case is first, but i will be looking into localizied as well | 20:47 | |
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raschipi | Localized collation rules have to follow localized casefolding rules. In Turquish, 'i' and 'I' don't collate togheter. | 20:48 | |
samcv | the reason æ is sorting after ar is because the first collation key æ has. its tertiary (the case-like one) is different than for a | 20:49 | |
slightly | |||
raschipi | It's titlecase? | ||
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samcv | no. it's just 3 for a and 5 for æ | 20:50 | |
i think it's 8 for A or something | |||
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raschipi | samcv++. G'night | 20:58 | |
samcv | night :) | ||
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masak | I still want to write a presentation (kind of a whitepaper) about 007 | 21:14 | |
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perlpilot | masak: does that move us closer to having macros in Perl 6? ;-) | 21:16 | |
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rouking_ | What do you guys recommend for web backends with P6? | 21:19 | |
Guessing no webservers have support for it yet | |||
lichtkind | cheers | 21:20 | |
moritz ping | |||
lizmat | rouking_: github.com/Bailador/Bailador ? | ||
lichtkind | hugs Liz | ||
lizmat | lichtkind o/ long time no see! | 21:21 | |
perlpilot | rouking_: what lizmat said. Maybe github.com/tokuhirom/p6-Crust if you don't want the webapp frameworky bits | ||
lichtkind | indee lizmat | 21:22 | |
lizmat, come to HH? | |||
lizmat | most likely not | ||
lichtkind | so i have to come to the amsterdam | 21:23 | |
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lizmat | lichtkind: I'm afraid so :-) | 21:24 | |
lichtkind | lizmat life is so hard | ||
are you involved in perl6doc too? | 21:25 | ||
lizmat | lichtkind: I've done some documentation patches, but that's about it :-) | ||
masak | perlpilot: yes | 21:27 | |
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masak | perlpilot: 007 is primarily a testing-ground for macros for Perl 6 | 21:28 | |
perlpilot: onlly secondarily is it a language in its own regard, and an opportunity for its language designer to grind his own axe ;) | 21:30 | ||
only* ax*; lag | 21:32 | ||
masak .oO( language designer rule MCCXXVI: they tell you that not grinding your ax is a good thing, but it turns out you can't not grind your ax ) | 21:33 | ||
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lichtkind | lizmat, i discovered then im still owner of Perl6::Doc and its so outdated so i ponder what to do with it, any clues what to put in as perl 6 doc first? | 21:39 | |
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lizmat | mark it as "historical" ? | 21:40 | |
lichtkind | but we can fill in some actual content | ||
lizmat | I think all of the documentation effort is now done for docs.perl6.org | 21:41 | |
and it's hard enough already to get people to document already :-( | |||
lichtkind | i didnt spoke of the tablets | 21:43 | |
i mean ther perl 5 module | |||
which still list apocaplypses and stuff | |||
i want to fill ther eoyur stuff | |||
fresh stuff | |||
question is how about it and what are the important bits to start migrate first | 21:44 | ||
lizmat | are we talking about metacpan.org/pod/Perl6::Doc ? | ||
lichtkind | yes | ||
lizmat | "As of version 0.40, this distribution has been overhauled and is no longer maintained by Herbert Breunung, who originally took it over from ingy and audreyt." ?? | 21:45 | |
lichtkind | im still owner since audrey gave me this | ||
yes but hinrik didnt do much either | |||
i already contacted him to get decision | |||
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lichtkind | i wna tin it what title say some content of doc.perl6.org | 21:46 | |
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lizmat | fwiw, it feels to me you're going to put in a lot of work that will not be appreciated | 21:47 | |
fwiw, I would suggest removing it from PAUSE | |||
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lichtkind | i kdont know what fwiw means but yes that would be my feel to but i rather have some tuits to do another docs module and this could reuse some of the inner workings, just replace some content, which at least was the thought i had | 21:51 | |
lizmat | for what it's worth | ||
lichtkind | thanks | ||
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lichtkind | but yes i should remove it as soon hinrik answers | 21:52 | |
lizmat | lichtkind: if you would like to work on documentation, there's still quite some open tickets on doc :-) | ||
afaik | |||
prodotiscus | I see my module Dictionary::Create on modules.perl6.org, but travis status is "unknown" | 21:53 | |
El_Che | stmuk: I got a mac at work (in addition to a Linux and a Windows laptop :) ). I noticed that when installing Rakudo Star you have to drag a Folder to application instead of an icon. Also in Application there is a folder Rakudo instead of a Perl6 app. This is by design? Maybe, as a cli app, Rakudo should be in Application? This is how git behaves. | ||
lichtkind | my focus is rather on making infos better searchable and better conectable, if im fixing stuff in the process its coleteral | ||
prodotiscus | it seems to be wrong, because you can see `build|passed` on github.com/prodotiscus/perl6-Dictionary-Create | ||
what is this? | |||
lizmat | lichtkind: I'd like to see the default WHY method in the setting produce some sort of short text for all of the builtins | 21:54 | |
prodotiscus | * build|passing | ||
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lichtkind | lizmat, sounds desirable plus wasnt it the original plan of $larry? | 21:55 | |
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lizmat | that seems likely :-) | 21:55 | |
m: say Int.WHY | |||
camelia | No documentation available for type 'Int'. Perhaps it can be found at docs.perl6.org/type/Int » | ||
lizmat | that's the current state | ||
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masak | lichtkind: maybe instead of removing it, might replace it with something that clearly links to docs.perl6.org ? | 22:01 | |
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lichtkind | masak sounds more helpful | 22:06 | |
masak gues who i thought of when we discussed gotos in compiler building and dijsktras algorithm | 22:07 | ||
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Geth | doc: 7d9e87c61a | (Steve Mynott)++ | Build.pm Fix RT#131025 which is due to Build.pm failing to install docs under 'share' type path but .perl6 instead due to assumption about order of repo-chain. We now search for 'site' explicitly. |
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synopsebot6 | Link: rt.perl.org/rt3/Public/Bug/Display...?id=131025 | ||
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stmuk | El_Che: originally I had the folder as an icon but people complained "it's actually a folder not an icon" so I changed it | 22:11 | |
masak | lichtkind: ...Dijkstra? :P | 22:13 | |
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lichtkind | of nanodijkstra of cours | 22:14 | |
our dr didnt knew the joke | 22:15 | ||
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stmuk | el_che: github.com/rakudo/star/commit/00fd...72385b419b | 22:17 | |
I don't particularly care either way so if you want to revert its fine | |||
The reason rakudo is used rather than perl6 is to support alternative implementations | 22:19 | ||
lichtkind | masak, hope i see you bookingland | 22:20 | |
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El_Che | stmuk: thx. I'll have a look. Not a lot of experience with what's expected on osx, so maybe those users are right. It just struck me weird | 22:34 | |
stmuk | I think it's wierd either way | 22:36 | |
it's basically a command line app anyway .. not very useful from clicking on icons | 22:38 | ||
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travis-ci | Doc build errored. Steve Mynott 'Fix RT#131025 which is due to Build.pm failing to install docs under | 22:59 | |
travis-ci.org/perl6/doc/builds/245983699 github.com/perl6/doc/compare/a55e9...9e87c61a5f | |||
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synopsebot6 | Link: rt.perl.org/rt3/Public/Bug/Display...?id=131025 | 22:59 | |
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El_Che | stmuk: if I am not mistaken, git just added an uninstall script in /usr/local and chose not to add the icon/map in Applications in Finder | 23:02 | |
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stmuk | There was feedback (which I didn't find very useful) at groups.perlists.pm/sympa/arc/londo...00030.html | 23:11 | |
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