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vrurg_ timotimo: but no slurpy? 00:01
m: my $c = -> $v, *%h { say "$v with ", %h }; $c( pi, a=>1, b=>2);
camelia 3.141592653589793 with {a => 1, b => 2}
vrurg_ is confused... 00:02
Fails when calling a method with Capture.
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timotimo slurpy also works 00:03
can you show more closely how you're doing it, and what the error is?
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vrurg_ timotimo: a bit too complex to extract the essence. Gonna try figure it out. Basically, it ends with something like: instance.$method(|(@invoke-params.Capture)); 00:04
instance is a class instance. params could be a mixture of positional and named ones. 00:05
timotimo OK, can you perhaps print the result of @invoke-params.Capture? i suppose it should just be the same as what Array.Capture would do? 00:06
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vrurg_ Just working on it. ;) Test takes a bit to complete. 00:08
timotimo OK!
vrurg_ \(:attribute("\$!bar"))
The block is defined like this: has $.bar is mooish(:lazy, :builder(-> $s, *%h {"block builder"}));
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vrurg_ Block signature is reported as ($). So, I get: Unexpected named argument 'attribute' passed 00:09
timotimo oh? that doesn't seem right :) 00:10
vrurg_ absolutely agrees.
Hope it's not right with my code.
timotimo can you somehow output bar's builder block as early as possible to see if it changes for some reason? 00:11
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vrurg_ timotimo: working on it. Use of same attribute name all across a test suite makes it somewhat tricky to catch the right one. ;) 00:12
It's definitely lost somewhere as trait_mod gets the right signature. Ok, I'll trace it down to the moment where it's lost first. 00:14
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vrurg_ My fault, same error from another location. No signature was harmed while filimg this code... 00:24
timotimo ah, OK 00:25
vrurg_ filming
timotimo yeah, it's sometimes hard to figure out what got called when you get an error about signatures
sometimes --ll-exception helps, but not always
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vrurg_ timotimo: thanks a lot! I'm still having issues with some syntax, so get easily confused in problematic situations. 00:26
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timotimo if you ever stumble upon an error message that we should try to improve, please speak up :) 00:27
vrurg_ Sure I will. Filled three bug reports in two weeks (though the last one happend to be inteded behavior :) ). 00:31
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buggable New CPAN upload: AttrX-Mooish-v0.2.5.tar.gz by VRURG modules.perl6.org/dist/AttrX::Mooish:cpan:VRURG 01:11
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SmokeMachine I just wrote a new "test" for the `Red ORM` API... its based on the `DBIx::Class`'s Artist/CD/Track example. If some one could criticise, it would help a lot! github.com/FCO/Red/wiki/CD-sample 03:18
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MasterDuke SmokeMachine: i've never used an ORM, so i don't really know how to evaluate it, but you might want to ask lizmat to mention it in the weekly, especially if you're looking for comments 03:43
AlexDaniel SmokeMachine: you can even weekly: it 03:47
SmokeMachine MasterDuke: that’s a good idea! 03:48
benjikun what's the command to add stuff to the list for weeklies 03:50
is it weekly:
or am I imagining that this is a thing 03:51
SmokeMachine AlexDaniel: wouldn’t that be a little too invasive?
benjikun I don't think it would be 03:52
AlexDaniel weekly:
notable6 AlexDaniel, 1 note: 2018-08-15T17:48:18Z <AlexDaniel>: wakelift.de/2018/08/15/the-first-p...c-release/
benjikun start a thread on /r/perl6 maybe for it
AlexDaniel benjikun: it's a thing
benjikun phew that's what i thought
AlexDaniel SmokeMachine: not at all, especially if you yourself write some text for liz to include :)
SmokeMachine AlexDaniel: my English isn’t good enough for that... 03:53
AlexDaniel SmokeMachine: just draft something, I believe stuff is rephrased to fit anyway 03:54
benjikun I get some pretty good responses over time on /r/perl6 and the email group
SmokeMachine AlexDaniel: I’ll try it! Thanks! 03:56
benjikun: www.reddit.com/r/perl6/comments/97...h=82c628e4 04:11
benjikun SmokeMachine: upvoted 04:12
SmokeMachine :) 04:13
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El_Che SmokeMachine: I am not a heavy user, but like someone on the reddit thread recommended, I would suggest looking at other APIs. I like this one: gorm.io/docs/models.html 06:46
benjikun Yeah that's probably a good idea
El_Che SmokeMachine: I like it because it makes my usecase very simple. It matches tables to datatypes (structs) and the querying is very similar to regular SQL. 06:47
those 2 things pretty much cover all of my ORM usage :)
I like the getting rid of the SQL boilerplate approach 06:48
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El_Che (instead of "Our ORM can model the world" :) ) 06:48
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Luneburg I noticed an error in the solutions section in the ThinkPerl book 08:54
benjikun What's the error/code? 08:55
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Luneburg benjikun: page 341, exercise A6 08:55
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Luneburg If you try to run it with inputs that should work, it returns false 08:56
I think the error is in the 6th line of code (excluding whitespace)
*exercise A5.6 08:57
benjikun I think you're correct :P 09:01
doesn't work for me either
Luneburg benjikun: I think the 6th line of code should be: return False if substr($word1, $i, 1) ne substr($word2, $j, 1); 09:03
benjikun you're correct
hmmm 09:04
I'm not sure if the writers are in here atm
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benjikun btw you can just use `flip` if you wanted the easier already-made solution :P 09:04
m: say 'cat' eq 'tac'.flip; 09:05
camelia True
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Luneburg benjikun: Yeah, the book likes to torture you a bit 09:05
benjikun Yeah, makes sense for learning and all ofc 09:06
good catch
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araraloren o/ 12:25
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Altreus it says pod6 must begin with =begin pod 12:39
Is this actually true or can I start with =head2 like perl5?
cos that was very useful
It made inline documentation 3 lines long rather than 5 12:40
tadzik where does it say that?
cos it's wrong :)
Altreus docs.perl6.org/language/pod
tadzik =begin starts a pod block, that must end in an =end
araraloren evalable6: gist.githubusercontent.com/araralo...sprintf.p6
evalable6 araraloren, Successfully fetched the code from the provided URL
tadzik but there's other kinds of blocks
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Altreus right but I can't do =head2 whatever\n\ndescription\n\n=end pod
tadzik nope
Altreus ah
tadzik but you may like paragraph blocks
araraloren The compile hang on with above code ^^
tadzik they end with a blank line
Altreus This says they end with the next block command 12:42
oh my mistake
I stopped reading
Although the POD6 is shorter, it seems less clean: gist.github.com/Altreus/77e9f5d737...3e8ac235a1 12:43
ah drat, now I need new vim folding rules 12:44
;_;
tadzik Altreus: do a =for head2\nThis is how you might describe a method called pod6\n\n 12:45
should be equivalent
or even =head2 This is how you might describe a method called pod6\n
Altreus well then you lose =head2 pod6
tadzik oh right 12:46
hm
Altreus can't do a quick header-with-paragraph without begin & end
which is fine
tadzik true
Altreus most of the time I look for my vim folds anyway :)
ah!
but in perl5, my vim fold says -- =head2 pod5
in perl6 it's always going to say -- =begin pod
Anyway I already extended POD5 to make it good :P 12:47
It didn't need fixing again
someone should have asked :D
tadzik Altreus: gist.github.com/tadzik/9655a59cf65...f5066b8266 :) 12:48
Altreus golly
a) wat
b) does it work for properties too
tadzik should work for everything
Altreus I just found declarator blocks
I can dig it
tadzik including function arguments
kind of works for function arguments, though not in the way I expected the output to look 12:49
araraloren I don't like that POD* 12:50
I prefer AsciiDOC or MarkDown
Altreus This format, however, will not translate to a multi-line display by perl6 -doc.
:(
tadzik oh? Hm
Altreus araraloren: actually I went to the effort of extending POD5 precisely because I didn't like markdown 12:51
It didn't suit blog posts, which seemed silly
araraloren oh, so I like AsciiDoc much than markdown
Altreus never tried asciidoc :)
unless that's the Java one with /**
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araraloren OH, It's powerful than the markdown 12:52
Altreus also: trust Perl6 to not only get smilies in, but also hash-pipes
araraloren and can represent everything in the web
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uzl Hello, #perl6! 13:06
yoleaux 15 Aug 2018 07:03Z <tyil> uzl: any looping construct should work, so you can map, or filter out entries with grep
uzl I was able to do with map. Thanks, tyil! 13:07
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uzl Luneburg: I don't know if you're using the printed version of TP6 but in the latest pdf, that error has been fixed. This is the book's repo: github.com/LaurentRosenfeld/thinkp...aster/book 13:08
.tell Luneburg I don't know if you're using the printed version of TP6 but in the latest pdf, that error has been fixed. This is the book's repo: github.com/LaurentRosenfeld/thinkp...ster/book. You might want to file an issue if find more errors. 13:10
yoleaux uzl: I'll pass your message to Luneburg.
tyil uzl: :D 13:11
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tobs I have to chase 17k bitstrings through a large symmetry group by tomorrow and don't even remember what all the multiprocessing.foo means in this python code base. My kingdom for a simple .race 13:16
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araraloren Anyone intersting on it, the code or compile hang on cause by the format string of sprintf 13:20
evalable6: gist.githubusercontent.com/araralo...sprintf.p6
evalable6 araraloren, Successfully fetched the code from the provided URL
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timotimo hm, are you sure it's the sprintf that does it, and not for example stringifying $type or $name, or calling self.perl? 13:22
hm, the arguments passed to match aren't complex
so it wouldn't be that
Geth doc: 468a61dc61 | (JJ Merelo)++ | htmlify.p6
Finalizing #2265

Following @coke suggestions, which would actually close that thing (it was already closed, so no more closing)
araraloren yeah, I am not sure, but without the line or with correctly format string, it is fine
timotimo what's wrong about the format string, just not enough arguments? 13:23
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timotimo it could very well be that it throws an exception and the matchByName and matchByExt taps just don't do any error handling at all 13:23
so the pipelines just get stuck perhaps?
araraloren no, it missing %s in the format string 13:24
without the line, it can print something
evalable6: gist.githubusercontent.com/araralo...sprintf.p6
evalable6 araraloren, Successfully fetched the code from the provided URL
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araraloren oh, the code is hang on too, but can print something, seems like evalable6 not print them
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timotimo perhaps it's vulnerable to timing differences 13:26
araraloren that's another problme of the script
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araraloren timing difference ? 13:26
timotimo yeah, a race condition perhaps
araraloren The code is running in different thread ? 13:27
the react block and the other code ?
timotimo hm, not really
araraloren I thought they were in one thread :/ 13:28
timotimo also, i don't think the "return" inside your matchBy functions will work right
araraloren hmm, so they can't do what coroutine do ? 13:29
timotimo how about sprinkling some CATCH { .say } in your code?
oh, the reason is just that you're using a pointy block there
and pointy blocks are transparent to "return"
you can just turn it into an anonymous sub
araraloren oh 13:30
I got your mean
timotimo cool 13:31
that's solve the script hang on trouble
timotimo cool
araraloren but in another hand, it still can not compile with the `incorrectly sprintf sentence` 13:32
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araraloren Need I setup a issue for Rakudo or ? 13:33
timotimo is it a compile-time error?
jnthn I'm sure I've seen an issue with sprintf not being threadsafe before now
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araraloren timotimo yeah, many exception 13:34
but not ending if I not catch it
jnthn maybe that's it
anyway, it is so appreciate that you guys solve the hang on trouble :) 13:37
Geth doc: 612f995bd4 | (JJ Merelo)++ | doc/Type/Metamodel/Finalization.pod6
Reindexes DESTROY and change of format
 13:39
synopsebot Link: doc.perl6.org/type/Metamodel::Finalization
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pmurias rakudo.js setting nows builds after merge and fixing up after rescalar changes :) 13:55
Tison perl6.org/archive/rfc/109.pod 13:56
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Tison Recently I got thoughts like this, even Rakudo Perl 6 has announced production ready so we would no change so basic concepts, but I still wonder how important '@' and '%' "as a sigil" 13:57
b2gills .tell scimon where clauses can be a statement that is smartmatched automatically (watching livestream) `subset IntOrRat of Numeric where Int|Rat` 13:58
yoleaux b2gills: I'll pass your message to scimon.
Tison In fact we have types like Array and Hash, and if you want declare context, right hand side @ % is ok
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b2gills Tison: @ and % are necessary in signatures 13:59
Geth doc: 3e340e727d | (JJ Merelo)++ | util/manage-page-order.p6
Adds overview, closes #2185
timotimo .tell scimon i think you had a test for /Hello world/ and expected it to match "Hello world", but whitespace in perl6 regex aren't significant; i think rakudo is supposed to warn about that, though?
yoleaux timotimo: I'll pass your message to scimon.
b2gills sub ( *@all-positional *%all-named
timotimo b2gills: could have gone with what python does and have *@all-pos, **@all-named 14:00
or with $ in that case
wait
.tell scimon sorry, that was actually meant for lancew
yoleaux timotimo: I'll pass your message to scimon.
b2gills I should say it was delayed livestream 14:01
Tison m: sub f(Array $x) { say $x.elems }; f([0,1,2]);
camelia 3
Tison b2gills: are they?
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b2gills m: sub f(Array $x) { say $x.elems }; f(0,1,2); 14:01
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Calling f(Int, Int, Int) will never work with declared signature (Array $x)
at <tmp>:1
------> 3sub f(Array $x) { say $x.elems }; 7⏏5f(0,1,2);
b2gills m: sub f(Array *$x) { say $x.elems }; f(0,1,2);
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Calling f(Int, Int, Int) will never work with declared signature (Array $x)
at <tmp>:1
------> 3sub f(Array *$x) { say $x.elems }; 7⏏5f(0,1,2);
b2gills m: sub f(*Array $x) { say $x.elems }; f(0,1,2); 14:02
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Missing block
at <tmp>:1
------> 3sub f(*7⏏5Array $x) { say $x.elems }; f(0,1,2);
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b2gills m: sub f(*@x) { say $x.elems }; f(0,1,2); 14:02
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Variable '$x' is not declared. Did you mean '@x'?
at <tmp>:1
------> 3sub f(*@x) { say 7⏏5$x.elems }; f(0,1,2);
b2gills m: sub f(*@x) { say @x.elems }; f(0,1,2);
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jnthn Also @foo and Array $foo are *not* the same thing; the latter is an itemized array
Tison right, here is a basic concept named container :-)
jnthn Plus initialization differences 14:03
b2gills It is very common for new people to question why certain decisions where made. That tends to drop off quickly. 14:04
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Zoffix Tison: @/% are not Array/Hash, they're Positional/Associative 14:04
Array/Hash is just what you get by default when you *assign* to them. You can also bind to them
Tison thanks for your point out ~ 14:05
Zoffix Tison: they also offer default container values
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b2gills m: sub ( @a ) { say @a.^name }( Buf.new() ) 14:05
camelia Buf
Zoffix Tison: IIRC there's actually an example somewhere in perl6advent.wordpress.com/2017/12/02/ that shows just how much typing the `@` shortcut on variables saves
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Tison yes, someone calls it “Huffman coding” 14:08
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Altreus why does p6doc try to compile the code? Could not find API::Discord::Types at line 1 14:19
that's with `p6doc lib/API/Discord.pm6`
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lizmat Altreus: to make sure it's valid code ? 14:27
Altreus but it is valid code
doesn't seem like the p6doc's job
that's perl6 -c's job 14:28
It's valid code if I run it with perl6 -I lib
but p6doc doesn't have -I lib
lizmat ah, then maybe you need something like "=for code :skip-test"
pmurias b2gills: IMHO a lot of the decisions in the Perl 6 where heavily influenced be preserving the Perl 5 flavor 14:29
Altreus I don't follow what's happening
I rather thought the point of p6doc was to read the POD, irrespective of whether the code is valid or not
lizmat or ":preamble<class API::Discord::Types {};>
Altreus no but I mean 14:30
what if it's valid if I install it, but not valid if it's in dev?
should I ... have a git hook that removes these things?
I guess there's probably PERL6LIB, right?
pmurias Altreus: isn't 14:31
Altreus that seems to have worked
pmurias a some documentation generated from the code instead of taken from the pod?
Altreus hmm
pmurias Altreus: you can attach Pod to classes and methods 14:32
Altreus It doesn't like the #| form of documentation when attached to a has
they all come up as "class Attribute.new" 14:33
instead of the name of the property
looks like pod6 processing needs work :) 14:35
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Altreus still, fairly neat 14:35
I mean I don't even remotely like the way it renders it
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Altreus took me years to figure out a nice way of writing pod5 so that it was both legible and semantic ^-^ 14:36
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Altreus where does p6doc come from? is it part of rakudo? 15:08
benjikun Altreus: Included with rakudostar 15:09
Altreus I'm trying to determine where to open issues :)
benjikun Altreus: github.com/perl6/doc 15:10
here probably
yeah, there 15:11
Altreus That's for bugs in p6doc itself, not in the docs for p6?
benjikun both
Altreus grand :) 15:12
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tyil benjikun: I'm trying to read the article referenced in www.reddit.com/r/perl6/comments/95..._mistake/, but it seems the post has been removed from your site :( 15:20
benjikun Yeah I had to switch servers and the posts dir was in .gitignore lol 15:21
and I stupidly didn't realize that in the process
for sure, there will be more Perl6 postings to come on there, though
tyil ah
too bad :(
benjikun I couldn't find a cached version of that specific post on google cache / wayback machine sadly either :( 15:22
stmuk Altreus: DEBUG=1 p6doc Foo.pm should help you
benjikun or in my browser memory
tyil post new things soon, so it feels less empty!
benjikun I need to :P
stmuk basically p6doc is a wrapper to execute perl6 --doc
sarna hey tyil o/
tyil hey
:>
sarna how's the lispy thing?
Altreus but it doesn't pass -I to perl6 ;)
tyil currently on hold, sarna
Altreus PERL6LIB was necessary
tyil I didnt feel like I could make it pretty enough 15:23
if I make something to show off, it needs to be pretty
sarna tyil: fair enough :D 15:24
tyil I'll probably give it a new shot later in my life
but for now I'll focus on a couple existing projects that need some love as well
(mainly p6man and assixt)
also at the perl conference rn, writing out notes to consider publishing them as a blog post
stmuk Altreus: it does it some cases
github.com/perl6/doc/blob/master/bin/p6doc#L67 15:25
sarna tyil: ah, definitely, these are far more important than some scheme implementation 15:28
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Altreus stmuk: it doesn't accept a -I to pass to perl6 is what I meant :O 15:52
stmuk maybe it should 16:01
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Altreus hmm I don't like that pod6 keeps hard line-breaks 16:15
I only put them in to keep my code neat
but now the "manpage" that comes out of it has some long lines and many short ones
stmuk Altreus: did p6doc API/Discord.pm6 work for you? 16:16
timotimo i think only some blocks keep hard line breaks around
like code or input or something?
Altreus no, I can only get it to work if I use PERL6LIB
timotimo: normal paragraphs do 16:17
uh
hmm
stmuk Altreus: what is the exact command you are using and the error message?
Altreus stmuk: I have to use PERL6LIB because lib/API/Discord.pm6 doesn't compile unless it can find API::Discord::Types, which it can't
stmuk ah 16:18
Altreus So I have to tell it where to look
timotimo hm, that may not be intentional
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Altreus timotimo: I think I'm wrong 16:18
It's re-wrapping it for me 16:19
It's just, not all things are being wrapped in the first place
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stmuk Altreus: which module is this? 16:21
timotimo that's probably an artifact of what pod renderer you're using?
Altreus not many things seem to have pod
um I'll tell you when github comes back 16:23
github.com/kawaiiforums/p6-api-discord/tree/pod
sarna Altreus: hey, is the discord lib usable yet?
Altreus no
I'm writing the docs so I know what gaps to fill in
sarna :^(
Altreus it stays online though :D
sarna I'll keep an eye on it thought :^) 16:24
Altreus we fixed resume
sarna: there's the github :)
sarna Altreus: I've just starred it :^) 16:25
stmuk Altreus: I think p6doc can only work with installed modules 16:28
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stmuk I don't really see how it could resolve all module deps otherwise. In your case the PERL6LIB "fix" only works since you have Cro installed 16:39
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SmokeMachine Hi! is there any way to implement it? www.reddit.com/r/perl6/comments/97...me/e4avd91 17:10
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tyil Altreus: which file are you trying to render the pod doc of? 17:11
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tyil Altreus: if you can provide a link to the repo I'd like to take a look at the pod issue 17:16
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stmuk tyil: the link is above 17:19
its the "pod" branch in the repo
the probably is "perl6 --doc" can't run the code in the absence of installed dependencies 17:20
s/probably/problem
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tyil yeah, p6man has the same issue, perl6 --doc=Text as well 17:21
and both p6doc and p6man rely on perl6 --doc behaviour
I had a hacky solution to work around this, but decided to use perl6 --doc instead because that was what p6doc used 17:22
maybe I should go back and implement the hacky solution to extract pod before trying to parse it 17:23
stmuk yeah pod6 needs to be displayed in a "dumb" way (although this is probably against the whole idea of pod6) 17:24
tyil because I dont think Pod should fail to render because the actual code might contain issues, especially when the iissue is simply a use which was not found
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stmuk if I were a github admin I wouldn't want to have to run code to render pod6 17:25
tyil (fwiw, my hacky solution was to just look for a =begin pod and start saving lines to a temp file until I find a =end pod, then try to render that temp file) 17:26
maybe I can discuss it with jj, he's around here anyway 17:28
SmokeMachine m: class P does Positional { method STORE(|) {}; method relates { ::?CLASS.new } }; class C { has @.a is P = .relates } 17:33
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Defaults on compound attribute types not yet implemented. Sorry.
Workaround: Create/Adapt TWEAK method in class C, e.g:
method TWEAK(:@!a = (initial values)) { }
at <tmp>:1
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stmuk tyil: I think jnthn mentioned his IDE used a grammar which allowed syntax errors in order to allow work in progress while editing 17:46
rendering uninstalled docs could be something similar
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tbrowder_ Altreus: can you show us the pod6 that has unwanted linebreaks? 18:25
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tbrowder_ regarding pod6 and working code: a separate pod6 parser external to p6 was recently discussed on #perl6-dev and jnthn and others were against it. the pod6 declarator blocks should not have line breaks unless the pod6 has non-breaking spaces in which case they may. declarator block formatting is a feature request i believe. 18:46
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robertle I am doing Duration.new(2.rand) and it works often, but sometimes gives me Type check failed in assignment to $!tai; expected Rat but got Num (1534447726.7543569e0) 19:35
which I find surprising: I would have thought that rand always gives me back the same type, but also that duration does take a num, not only a rat...
buggable New CPAN upload: Sparrowdo-Cordova-OSx-Build-0.0.1.tar.gz by MELEZHIK cpan.metacpan.org/authors/id/M/ME/...0.1.tar.gz 19:41
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MasterDuke robertle: what's your perl6 --version? 20:03
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b2gills m: for ^1000 { my $rand = 2.rand; try { Duration.new($rand) } // say $rand } 20:14
camelia ( no output )
b2gills star: for ^1000 { my $rand = 2.rand; try { Duration.new($rand) } // say $rand } 20:15
camelia ( no output )
MasterDuke i've run 12 million iterations, no failures yet
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robertle MasterDuke: 2018.04.1-33-ga957b712c built on MoarVM version 2018.04-39-gc702f4c66 20:23
what? wait
why do I have such an old one?
I was expecting .06
MasterDuke robertle: how frequently does it happen? 20:24
robertle I seed my rand, so it happens every time I run it, after only a handful of iterations. let me check
MasterDuke ah, nice, then we could bisect it 20:25
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robertle MasterDuke: gist.github.com/robertlemmen/877b0...336b527f42 20:28
MasterDuke committable6: 6c gist.github.com/robertlemmen/877b0...tfile1.txt 20:29
committable6 MasterDuke, Successfully fetched the code from the provided URL
MasterDuke, gist.github.com/28d5489d61b59f9c7e...23da462c13
MasterDuke ah, does still happen on HEAD 20:30
robertle: mind filing an issue in the rakudo repo? 20:33
robertle will do
MasterDuke robertle++
robertle R#2221 20:37
synopsebot R#2221 [open]: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/issues/2221 duration ctor or addition with duration sensitive to rat/num rand (?)
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tbrowder_ .ask Altreus can you please file a rakudo issue on the pod6 problem, 22:05
yoleaux tbrowder_: I'll pass your message to Altreus.
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lucasb o/ 22:41
lucasb wants to spend more time with P6 22:42
will there be a release this weekend?
timotimo outlook positive 22:44
lucasb nice! 22:45
timotimo releasable6: status
releasable6 timotimo, Next release in ≈1 day and ≈20 hours. 2 blockers. 81 out of 445 commits logged (⚠ 11 warnings)
timotimo, Details: gist.github.com/27d22acb5eb6ef0d57...62f79aac48
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lucasb ^^ look! lowercase hashs! :) 22:47
and rakudo installs those hashy filenames as uppercase, like 84D9B14D532447225425A06C8065C422465F168D
can I make a formal suggestion to lowercase those dir and filenames created inside the installation directory? 22:48
git uses lowercase, obviously. I know these names aren't supposed to be user-facing, but sometimes you stumble upon them, no? 22:49
It's a comestic change, but I think it's easier on the eyes to see them lowercase, when you stumble upon a wall of hashs 22:50
If I submit this request, will I get some support? Any opinion? 22:52
timotimo i wonder how existing repositories should be handled then 22:55
lucasb search both for uppercase and lowercase, but creates always as lowercase (?) 22:57
timotimo startup is already slow :(
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AlexDaniel c: 9a45b2b say 42 22:58
committable6 AlexDaniel, ¦9a45b2b: «42␤»
AlexDaniel c: 9A45B2B say 42
committable6 AlexDaniel, ¦9A45B2B: «42␤»
lucasb not thinking about backwards compatibility for a second, would this have a chance in 6.next?
AlexDaniel so it should be changed because you think lowercase strings look better? 22:59
lucasb a little too subjective? :) 23:00
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lucasb but yeah, I think they look better 23:01
ooc, do you?
jnthn I guess uppercase kinda shouts "GO AWAY", which is kinda on point :P 23:02
lucasb 40-char hashes are scary enough already 23:06
AlexDaniel lucasb: so we're now at 2000+ open tickets
:)
lucasb do you mean if we keep opening tickets for superfluous things like these? 23:09
I agree it's silly
jnthn No, I think AlexDaniel means we're already there ;)
AlexDaniel last week was 2003 → 2010 gist.github.com/82e3048c9a494e9534...fa3c4cc0e0 23:10
more stats here: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/wiki/Ticket-updates
lucasb ah, thanks
I was looking at R issues only, almost 500 23:11
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lucasb but anyway, this change, if accepted, would be just a "lc" inserted somewhere :) 23:11
AlexDaniel I believe it can't be that simple :) 23:12
and I'm serious 23:13
jnthn I believe we do have the ability to version precomp repos, so we can do such changes 23:14
But yeah, it probably won't be "just insert an lc"
AlexDaniel m: say ‘9A45B2B’.fc 23:15
camelia 9a45b2b
Kaiepi how can i write a CStruct for this? hastebin.com/xovahahori.cpp 23:40
never mind, i don't need it for ICMP 23:45
lucasb my second request is this: 23:51
Consider the 3 installation paths 23:52
install/share/perl6/{core,site,vendor}/
expect, there is NO "core" subdirectory. It's mixed with the parent dir of both site and vendor 23:53
Kaiepi wait, yes i do need *mbuf 23:54
lucasb I wish the relevant directories to be nested under a "core" subdirectory (or any other name), just to keep the dir structure in the same hierarchy level
Kaiepi i want to be able to use the icmp.c functions 23:55
lucasb *except
Kaiepi i can do icmp without icmp.c, but the functions would be useful to have
SmokeMachine m: class P { has &.bla; method STORE(|c) { say "STORE: ", c } }; multi trait_mod:<is>(Attribute $attr, Bool :$related) { $attr does role :: { method type { P } } }; class C { has Int @.a is related = say C.^attributes }; say C.^attributes; say C.new # why is it being converted to an array? is it the closure returning the array? 23:57
camelia (P @!a)
(P @!a)
C.new(a => Array[Int].new(Bool::True))
Kaiepi is there a CUnion repr?
tls is being fucky with me, i can't google it 23:58

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