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pilne i kindasorta really like using.... wsl/ubuntu as a dev environment.... because the nuke/reinstall is stupid easy if i shitlord it all up 05:17
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Elronnd pilne: heresy! 05:37
pilne :D 05:39
is that like the "blood for the blood god, skulls for the skull throne" kinda heresy?
Elronnd I used wsl for a while
could not stand it
windows so slow and buggy 05:40
pilne i don't think i'd like to use it on the major regular, but for the moment i'm not going to dual boot this machine, and i don't quite know where to setup the old lappy to have my *nix box at the same time, but realistically i've yet to run into issues with the dablbing/digging/poking i'm doing with 05:41
win10 "native" as it were.
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Geth rakudo.org: 85e531a04d | (Roman Baumer)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | nginx.conf
add nginx.conf
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jmerelo squashable6: status 11:43
squashable6 jmerelo, Next SQUASHathon in 25 days and ≈16 hours (2019-09-07 UTC-12⌁UTC+20). See github.com/rakudo/rakudo/wiki/Mont...Squash-Day
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chloekek jmerelo: I did some more work on the distributions and versions stuff and I now have a file with META data along with tarball URLs and hashes for nearly all distributions. :) 12:00
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pmurias Xliff: re Java going closed source, didn't they actually open source more of the JVM but are making old releases paid? 12:09
jmerelo chloekek: great 12:11
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jmerelo pmurias: I think some of the releases are. Enterprise releases, mostly 12:13
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El_Che lo 12:55
antoniogamiz o/
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jmerelo chloekek: you got a direct message :-) 13:22
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lichtkind can I rename packages I loaded? 13:25
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lichtkind something use Long::Package as 'LP'; 13:28
moritz constant LP = Long::Package; 13:31
lichtkind yes but can i call LP::somsub() ? 13:32
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moritz I think so, yes 13:32
I think "use LP:name('Long::Package');" is also supposed to work; no idea if it's implemented yet 13:34
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cpan-p6 New module released to CPAN! Image::QRCode (0.0.2) by 03FRITH 13:36
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lichtkind indeed 13:41
moritz++
still i would prefere a keyword as as syntactic sugar 13:42
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chloekek moritz: oh nice, I always wrote my constant LP = Long::Package; 13:47
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uzl m: sub f(Str $n = 'hello' --> Bool) { $n }; f() 14:04
camelia Type check failed for return value; expected Bool but got Str ("hello")
in sub f at <tmp> line 1
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
uzl m: sub f(Str $n = 'hello' --> Bool) { $n }; f().put 14:05
camelia Type check failed for return value; expected Bool but got Str ("hello")
in sub f at <tmp> line 1
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
uzl m: sub f(Str $n = 'hello' --> Bool()) { $n }; f().put
camelia True
uzl Is this '--> Type()', instead of just '--> Type', in the signature's return constraint documented? It's kind of nifty. 14:07
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netrino uzl: read about that just yesterday docs.perl6.org/language/functions#...cion_types 14:14
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uzl netrino: Thanks. I think I need to read the Functions page more carefully ;-). 14:17
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Geth doc/regexes: 7b5d7d3eac | threadless-screw++ | doc/Language/regexes.pod6
Upgrade of Literals section
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Geth doc: threadless-screw++ created pull request #2946:
Upgrade of Literals section		 15:14
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perryprog Out of curiosity, are there any nicer perl6 repls than the default one? 15:23
timotimo well, there's a jupyter notebook kernel 15:25
which you can also use with the qtconsole (not sure if they call it jupyter qtconsole or if it's still called ipython qtconsole)
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perryprog oh yeah an ipython like john would be great 15:35
timotimo who is john? 15:36
perryprog s/john/thing
timotimo github.com/bduggan/p6-jupyter-kernel 15:37
perryprog Thank you.
timotimo www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSZV8IXIsM4 - als o a presentation on this exact thing 15:38
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AlexDaniel m: say 42 16:13
camelia 42
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uzl lembark: re "/doc" colabti.org/irclogger/irclogger_lo...08-10#l894 17:52
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irced m: $_="ABBCDEEF"; s:g/ <( (.)$0* )> /$/\n/; .say 18:26
camelia A
BB
C
D
EE
F
irced m: $_="ABBCDEEF"; s:g/ <( (.)$0* )> /$/\n/; .print
camelia A
BB
C
D
EE
F
irced jaldhar_: observe this compact solution 😃 18:27
jaldhar_: sans alternation 18:28
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netrino m: $_"ABBCDEEF"; s:g/(.)$0*/$/\n/; .print 18:55
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Two terms in a row
at <tmp>:1
------> 3$_7⏏5"ABBCDEEF"; s:g/(.)$0*/$/\n/; .print
expecting any of:
infix
infix stopper
statement end
statement mod…
netrino m: $_ = "ABBCDEEF"; s:g/(.)$0*/$/\n/; .print
camelia A
BB
C
D
EE
F
netrino What are <( for? 18:56
irced netrino: good question!
tobs netrino: they <( and )> demarcate the main match "body", so to speak 18:57
irced netrino: thanks for demonstrating it works without. i was trying to replicate a perl5 regex that uses \k. according to the docs, <( )> is similar to \K "to discard any matches found before the \K". i just assumed it would make a cleaner match object and began with it since it was in the original expression i was trying to replicate. 18:58
tobs m: say "ABCAADEF" ~~ / (.) $0 <( . )> / # returns only the character after a repeated character because that is what's <()>'d
camelia ｢D｣
0 => ｢A｣
netrino tobs, irced thanks :) 18:59
timotimo <( and )> don't even have to match up!
tobs which is, of course, a mistake :) 19:00
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irced but the original expression if i recall correctly was more complex so maybe that's why \K in it was included. so thanks again netrino for demonstrating that in this case, it doesn't make any difference to the match result. 19:03
netrino irced: ah, don't mention it, i'm just clueless about perl6 regex at this point, so just asking :) thanks again for clearing that up for me, guys. 19:05
irced 😃 19:09
tobs: excellent demonstration of discarding the match of the preceding pattern in the result 19:13
m: say "ABCAADEF" ~~ / (.) $0 /; # outputs first repeating char 19:17
camelia ｢AA｣
0 => ｢A｣
irced m: say "ABCAADEF" ~~ / (.) $0 /; # outputs first repeating chars
camelia ｢AA｣
0 => ｢A｣
irced m: say "ABCAADEF" ~~ / (.) $0 <( . )>/; # moves on from the preceding match of first repeating characters to match any character following 19:18
camelia ｢D｣
0 => ｢A｣
vrurg timotimo: do you debug moar in comma? 19:19
irced m: print "ABCAADEF" ~~ / (.) $0 /; # outputs first repeating chars 19:20
camelia AA
irced m: print "ABCAADEF" ~~ / (.) $0 <( . )>/; # moves on from the preceding match of first repeating characters to match any character following
camelia D
irced was probably misthinking that the global match operator and <( )> were associated, whereas it appears <( )> is specific to the pattern 19:23
Geth problem-solving/merge-mishap: 37df3d6bfc | (Aleks-Daniel Jakimenko-Aleksejev)++ | 2 files
Get rid of solution numbers for now

They're just painful to have. It's not a number of an issue we're resolving because a PR can resolve more than one. So it had to be a PR id, but that's a bit chicken-and-eggy. Moreover, the “–“ in there is currently a non-ascii symbol, which can again be painful in some cases. So just remove the numbers for now, maybe we'll change it later.		 19:39
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Geth problem-solving: c7e568b615 | (Aleks-Daniel Jakimenko-Aleksejev)++ | 2 files
Get rid of solution numbers for now

They're just painful to have. It's not a number of an issue we're resolving because a PR can resolve more than one. So it had to be a PR id, but that's a bit chicken-and-eggy. Moreover, the “–“ in there is currently a non-ascii symbol, which can again be painful in some cases. So just remove the numbers for now, maybe we'll change it later.		 19:40
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irced jaldhar_: that you? 19:43
perryprog Ooo, this is quite a neat snippet rosettacode.org/wiki/Mad_Libs#Perl_6 19:48
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irced perryprog: thanks for sharing! 19:49
perryprog: amazing how much can be done on one line there! 19:55
perryprog: i am wondering what the first assignment does in: print S:g[ '<' (.*?) '>' ] = <-- 19:57
timotimo vrurg: no, for that i'd need a C debugger 19:58
vrurg timotimo: I guess intellij is capable of deubgging C code.
perryprog I'm not exactly sure, irced. I'm taking a look. 19:59
irced perryprog: 😃
timotimo they have an IDE called CLion that can do that 20:01
with a comma plugin, that'd work
but i usually just use gdb. about half the time through rr's record/replay feature
tbrowder Xliff: can you please look at your doc issue #2944 and see my question? 20:02
perryprog irced, Aww, seems like it doesn't work in the current rakudo version. bummer. 20:03
irced perryprog: sure it does, just be sure you are using < > in the input file 20:05
perryprog ❯ echo 'foo <bar>' | perl6 tmp.p6 gives "bar? Cannot do 'get' on a handle in binary mode" 20:06
irced perryprog: hmm, may have something to do with echo. create an input file and pass it as an argument. e.g. madlibs.txt
perryprog I tried that too. No such luck. 20:07
irced perryprog: i got it to work with, <name> went for a walk in the park. <He or She> found a <noun>. <name> decided to take it home.
perryprog: perl6 tmp.pl6 madlibs.txt 20:08
perryprog Hmm, yeah there we go. Weird.
irced you should also be able to cat pipe it
perryprog: interesting cat piping won't work either 20:13
perryprog: this might not be a wonder oneliner after all
perryprog irced, regarding your earlier question: the first assignment must be right associative, i.e. parens around the RHS
El_Che Intellij is the version that support al the languages 20:14
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irced perryprog: i think we may need to adverbially modify slurp 20:14
El_Che they have lang centric sub idea on top of intellij with less plugins enabled to give you the impression it's geared toward your language. It isn't :)
netrino irced, perryprog: you can pipe, but you have to pipe answers, not the template 20:15
prompt reads from stdin, while slurp takes the file from args
perryprog Ohh, right.
Makes sense, thank you.
irced netrino: that does make sense, and also might guide to some workarounds... ...
netrino ^_^ 20:17
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Geth doc: gdonald++ created pull request #2947:
Improve readability. Adjust token `letter` indentation.		 20:22
tbrowder .ask Xliff can you please look at your doc issue #2944 and see my question? 20:23
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irced the workaround doesn't look like it can be a oneliner 20:33
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irced hang on a sec ... ... 20:41
netrino irced: What are you trying for a workaround? 20:42
irced i have a workaround but it's not one line yet 20:43
netrino And what specifically are you working around? :D
irced netrino: to make it so the program is functional even with piped input 20:44
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irced netrino: i can show you the long version 20:44
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irced netrino: but i think i am close to the one liner 20:44
netrino irced: sure, please show :>
irced my &myprompt := { print $^a; open("/dev/tty").get; }; print S:g[ '<' (.*?) '>' ] = %.{$0} //= myprompt "$0? " given slurp; 20:45
netrino: on *nix
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netrino ooh, i see, interesting! 20:47
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irced 😃 20:48
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irced nope, a one-liner is currently beyond me 20:53
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netrino i mean, you can inline the block and it is sort of one liner except that block has severl lines :D 20:54
also can still use prompt by redeclaring $*IN
irced netrino: i tried those. maybe you had better luck?
netrino You mean it didn't work? 20:55
irced netrino: i am specifically interested no how you mean to still use prompt by redeclaring $*IN ?
netrino: since i spent the most time on that
tbrowder .tell Xliff can you please look at your doc issue #2944 and see my question? 20:56
netrino irced: $*IN is dynamic var, so you can tell my $*IN = open('/dev/tty'); prompt
irced netrino: interesting but not working 20:58
😃
when there is piped input
that is, prompt doesn't seem to look at my environment setting to $*IN i think 20:59
netrino irced: print S:g['<'(.*?)'>'] = %.{$0} //= { my $*IN = open('/dev/tty'); prompt $^a}.("$0?") given slurp
this worked for me
irced oh? wow, let me see
awesome, thanks netrino! 21:01
irced starts tweaking his code.
netrino irced: 😃 sure thing
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irced print S:g[ '<' (.*?) '>' ] = %.{$0} //= { print $_, "? "; open("/dev/tty").get }.($0) given slurp; 21:08
there 21:09
print S:g[ '<' (.*?) '>' ] = %.{$0} //= { print "$_? "; open("/dev/tty").get }.($0) given slurp; 21:11
ok, no variable declaration gives it a compact look, though i have to consider whether i could use/leverage a state variable but anyway no bottleneck no problem 21:12
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irced netrino: oh, we can remove the "my" keyword! 21:14
netrino: making yours a little more concise! 21:15
netrino: now either of ours looks lean and mean 21:16
Geth doc: f22ea17295 | (Greg Donald)++ | doc/Language/grammars.pod6
Improve readability. Adjust token `letter` indentation to match previous example.
synopsebot Link: doc.perl6.org/language/grammars
doc: dc091d3a42 | (Aleks-Daniel Jakimenko-Aleksejev)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | doc/Language/grammars.pod6
Merge pull request #2947 from gdonald/grammer-improvements

Improve readability. Adjust token `letter` indentation.
netrino irced: yeah, though i think if you don't use `my' then $*IN won't get the old value upon existing the scope 21:17
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irced netrino: wow, good catch, but I can't see at the moment where a post-slurp on the piped input could be used, it is important to recognize the difference, which is clear now thanks! 21:21
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irced netrino: especially if the same logic is used without slurping entirely on the pipe 21:22
netrino: that's where the difference becomes important 21:23
netrino: methinks
netrino irced: true, in this particular case it shouldn't be a problem
irced netrino: though that scenario is a can of worms 21:24
netrino: since then the stdin would be interleaved which i dunno doesn't seem workable
netrino: but hey the world once was flat
netrino 😃
irced netrino: so, maybe i'm just thinking of stdin as flat 21:25
😃
Geth ecosystem: 677d740c34 | dmaestro++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | META.list
Submit Module::Pod to ecosystem

See github.com/dmaestro/Module-Pod Load pod objects (as in `$=pod`) from external modules.		 21:26
irced netrino: also i don't know if things like stdin can be "seek"'ed to, which could allow for storage of relative offsets and such
netrino generally you can't seek stdin, only the current buffer (which is sort of how ungetc works in C) 21:28
Geth ecosystem: 0c94e1fb3e | dmaestro++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | META.list
Submit Module::Pod to ecosystem (fixed)

See github.com/dmaestro/Module-Pod Load pod objects (as in `$=pod`) from external module
irced netrino: right. not a simple thing to accomplish but imaginable. thanks! 21:29
netrino m: $*IN.seek(1, SeekFromCurrent) 21:30
camelia ( no output )
netrino c: $*IN.seek(1, SeekFromCurrent)
committable6 netrino, I cannot recognize this command. See wiki for some examples: github.com/perl6/whateverable/wiki/Committable
netrino well, anyways, it tol me that this kind of handle is unseekable 21:31
irced netrino: as one would expect, thanks for discussing it further
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cpan-p6 New module released to CPAN! Module::Pod (0.9.1) by 03DMAESTRO 21:51
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muse hi 23:43
irced welcome 23:44
muse Fetching [FAIL]: GTK::Simple:ver<0.1.11> from git://github.com/perl6/gtk-simple.gitAborting due to fetch failure: GTK::Simple:ver<0.1.11> (use --force-fetch to override) 23:45
thats what im getting when i try to install gtk::simple. any ideas?
this my first try at perl6 and i already am failing. thinking about doing it in linux instead of windows 23:47
irced hmm, i was able to install the module in linux myself 23:48
this is a fetch failure though
as per error
are you able to install any modules?
muse let me try 23:49
know any good ones? do they have lwp?
ah that one is already preinstalled i guess 23:50
irced muse: well this one is quick and good for laughs... zef install Acme::Insult::Lala . sample code at: modules.perl6.org/dist/Acme::Insul...pan:JSTOWE 23:51
muse: if you're into laughing
muse lol. i remember looking at the source code to an acme modlue in perl5 and it phoned home to his server (think was Damian Conway)
timotimo ha 23:52
surely completely hamrless
muse no doubt
timotimo hopefully https secured?
irced muse: hmm, phoning home would mean a socket module would be loaded. a quick look at the code will in the least confirm that's not the case.
timotimo it could be using curl or wget instead 23:53
if bash is installed, i think you can use /dev/tcp/123.321.234.212/... or something with echo?
irced timotimo: good point
muse Fetching [FAIL]: XML::Parser::Tiny from git://github.com/afiskon/p6-xml-parser-tiny.gitAborting due to fetch failure: XML::Parser::Tiny (use --force-fetch to override) 23:54
irced a quick look at the code should reveal not system calls as well
timotimo muse: can "git" be used on the commandline?
muse not sure ill try
yea i have git
timotimo hmm, does "git clone git://github.com/afiskon/p6-xml-parser-tiny.git" give any kind of error? 23:55
muse no its fine 23:56
timotimo can "perl6 -e 'run <git help>'" get any output? 23:57
muse yes
timotimo huh. well, you can manually clone the repos, cd into it and "zef install ." 23:58
muse :(
ok thx ill do that
timotimo that will always work
irced muse: what version of zef? zef --version
timotimo zef also has debug flags you could try
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muse 0.7.1 23:59
timotimo it has --verbose or --debug as verbosity levels

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