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Xliff \o 02:14
AlexDaniel, you around? 02:15
m: use Method::Also
camelia ===SORRY!===
Could not find Method::Also at line 1 in:
inst#/home/camelia/.perl6
inst#/home/camelia/rakudo-m-inst-2/share/perl6/site
inst#/home/camelia/rakudo-m-inst-2/share/perl6/vendor
inst#/home/camelia/rakudo-m-inst-2/sha…
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jmerelo releasable6: status 06:14
releasable6 jmerelo, Next release in ≈17 days and ≈12 hours. R6 is down. At least 4 blockers. Unknown changelog format
jmerelo, Details: gist.github.com/b3465eceae4948392e...588177a6e4
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AlexDaniel` Xliff: yes 06:55
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Xliff Well, THAT took forever. :) 07:05
Actually, I was about to ask what it would take to load a module onto the bots, but I think I have it under control, now.
But just for shiz and giggles...what WOULD it take? 07:06
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AlexDaniel e: use lib ‘data/all-modules/cpan/TIMOTIMO/JSON-Fast’; use JSON::Fast; 07:13
evalable6
AlexDaniel Xliff: pretty much nothing, but it depends on your deps
Xliff Oooh! Nifty!
e: use lib 'data/all-modules/cpan/ELIZABETH/Method-Also'; use Method::Also; 07:14
evalable6
Xliff \o/
AlexDaniel++!
Now will that work with bisectable? 07:15
AlexDaniel same 07:16
so yes, of course it will 07:17
I misread as “how will that work” :) 07:18
Xliff e: use lib 'data/all-modules/cpan/ELIZABETH/Method-Also'; use Method::Also; role A { proto method my_method (|) is also<my-method> { * }; multi method my_method (Str $a) { say 'Str!'; }; multi method my_method (Int $b) { say 'Int!'; }; }; A.new.my_method(42); A.new.my_method('b'); A.new.my-method(42);
evalable6 (exit code 1) Int!
Cannot resolve caller my_method(A:D, Int:D); Routine does not have any candidates. Is only the proto defined?
in block <unit> at /tmp/dyQIhJk1hF line 1

Str!
Xliff e: use lib 'data/all-modules/cpan/ELIZABETH/Method-Also'; use Method::Also; role A { proto method my_method (|) is also<my-method> { * }; multi method my_method (Str $a) { say 'Str!'; }; multi method my_method (Int $b) { say 'Int!'; }; }; 07:19
evalable6
Xliff e: use lib 'data/all-modules/cpan/ELIZABETH/Method-Also'; use Method::Also; role A { proto method my_method (|) is also<my-method> { * }; multi method my_method (Str $a) { say 'Str!'; }; multi method my_method (Int $b) { say 'Int!'; }; }; A.new.my_method(42)
evalable6 Int!
Xliff e: use lib 'data/all-modules/cpan/ELIZABETH/Method-Also'; use Method::Also; role A { proto method my_method (|) is also<my-method> { * }; multi method my_method (Str $a) { say 'Str!'; }; multi method my_method (Int $b) { say 'Int!'; }; }; A.new.my_method(42); A.new.my_method('b') 07:20
evalable6 Int!
Str!
Xliff e: use lib 'data/all-modules/cpan/ELIZABETH/Method-Also'; use Method::Also; role A { proto method my_method (|) is also<my-method> { * }; multi method my_method (Str $a) { say 'Str!'; }; multi method my_method (Int $b) { say 'Int!'; }; }; A.new.my_method(42); A.new.my_method('b'); A.new.my-method(42)
evalable6 (exit code 1) Int!
Cannot resolve caller my_method(A:D, Int:D); Routine does not have any candidates. Is only the proto defined?
in block <unit> at /tmp/213o62gPef line 1

Str!
Xliff Oh, LOL!
STDERROR stepped on STDOUT.
bisect: use lib 'data/all-modules/cpan/ELIZABETH/Method-Also'; use Method::Also; role A { proto method my_method (|) is also<my-method> { * }; multi method my_method (Str $a) { say 'Str!'; }; multi method my_method (Int $b) { say 'Int!'; }; }; A.new.my_method(42); A.new.my_method('b'); A.new.my-method(42) 07:21
bisectable6 Xliff, Bisecting by output (old=2015.12 new=168c9c2) because on both starting points the exit code is 1
Xliff, bisect log: gist.github.com/6ad41ee17e9251bd8e...3f7674e004 07:22
Xliff, (2015-12-25) github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/07...dc61f84053
Xliff, The result looks a bit unrealistic. Most probably the output is different on every commit (e.g. ｢bisect: say rand｣)
AlexDaniel 6c: use lib 'data/all-modules/cpan/ELIZABETH/Method-Also'; use Method::Also; role A { proto method my_method (|) is also<my-method> { * }; multi method my_method (Str $a) { say 'Str!'; }; multi method my_method (Int $b) { say 'Int!'; }; }; A.new.my_method(42); A.new.my_method('b'); A.new.my-method(42) 07:23
committable6 AlexDaniel, gist.github.com/1bdf9422213a9245b2...28ee11e673
AlexDaniel so what's the right output? 07:24
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Xliff None of them. 07:24
As a matter of fact, the response I get above is the best of the lot. Says there's a defect in either Method::Also or rakudo. 07:25
Given the size of Method::Also and what it does, it's looking like a composition problem.
Since I use this all over GIO and GTK, I just want some clarification.
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kawaii AlexDaniel: started a Blin run just now, had to burn and rebuild my old toasting VM so sorry for the delay 10:27
AlexDaniel cool
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pmurias gist.github.com/pmurias/b37a7b924c...f6b55a757b - are the docs for JS interop clear anyone (any suggestion/questions are welcome) 10:36
jmerelo kawaii++
kawaii ===> Install [FAIL] for Whateverabe:ver<1.0.3>: ===SORRY!=== 10:39
Hmm can't find Whateverabe::Discordable
When installing Blin deps AlexDaniel
Whateverable* 10:41
I typed that out since I'm on mobile currently
Huh okay nevermind 10:43
Oh wait no yes do mind
AlexDaniel wellll
kawaii has Whateverable::Discordable been removed from the ecosystem or something? 10:44
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Geth_ whateverable: 54f736b842 | (Aleks-Daniel Jakimenko-Aleksejev)++ | META6.json
Fix META6.json (missing module)
 10:45
whateverable: b2ef7846b8 | (Aleks-Daniel Jakimenko-Aleksejev)++ | META6.json
Bump version
AlexDaniel kawaii: should be fixed now 10:46
kawaii Ah yeah it will be, how do I force an ecosystem update? IIRC they trigger every few hours only
AlexDaniel kawaii: what about zef install github.com/perl6/whateverable.git 10:47
kawaii I forget that Zef is that clever sometimes :)
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scimon Saw this from yesterday 11:01
m: (("Ace","Two","Three","Four","Five","Six","Seven","Eight","Nine","Jack","Queen","King") X ("Hearts","Clubs","Diamonds","Spades")).map( -> ($a, $b) { "playing card {$a} of {$b}".uc.uniparse } ).pick(*).head(5)>>.say
camelia 🂹
🂻
🂥
🂡
🃕
scimon :D
(So that makes a deck of cards, shuffles it and deals 5) 11:02
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lizmat scimon: >>.say is a code smell, although in this case it wouldn't matter as they're random anyway 11:17
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pmurias re use lib example in the docs: docs.perl6.org/language/pragmas#in...ib__pragma 11:26
isn't that misleading as it uses /usr/local/lib and that doesn't seem like a sane place to store Perl 6 modules 11:27
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scimon lizmat: I know I was just trying to fit it into a one liner. (Or a tweet ;) ) 11:36
lizmat m: say (("Ace","Two","Three","Four","Five","Six","Seven","Eight","Nine","Jack","Queen","King") X ("Hearts","Clubs","Diamonds","Spades")).map( -> ($a, $b) { "playing card {$a} of {$b}".uc.uniparse } ).pick(*).head(5) # works just as good as is fewer characters 11:37
camelia (🂳 🃁 🂸 🂦 🃝)
lizmat *and 11:38
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jjatria m: say 1 ≰ 2 # I was surprised to see this break today 11:38
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Confused
at <tmp>:1
------> 3say 17⏏5 ≰ 2 # I was surprised to see this break
expecting any of:
infix
infix stopper
postfix
statement end
…
jjatria Is this intentional? Or just an omission? 11:40
lizmat m: say "≰".uninames
camelia (NEITHER LESS-THAN NOR EQUAL TO)
lizmat feels like an omission
did we miss more than these ?
jjatria There's ≱ as well 11:41
scimon lizmat~~ :)
jjatria m: say "≱".uninames
camelia (NEITHER GREATER-THAN NOR EQUAL TO)
scimon lizmat++ even
jjatria In the spirit of Hacktoberfest, I'd be happy to volunteer
lizmat please make a PR if you think you can :-) 11:42
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jjatria Where would something like this be specified? 11:42
MasterDuke take a look around github.com/rakudo/rakudo/blob/mast....nqp#L4086 and github.com/rakudo/rakudo/blob/mast...c.pm6#L330 11:46
jjatria Thanks! I'll see if I can come up with something :)
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lizmat jjatria: I don't think you can consider that low hanging fruit 11:50
jjatria: you could start with looking for "≥" everywhere in the Rakudo code base (particularly src/Perl6/Grammar|Actions and src/core.c/*) 11:51
and give ≱ and ≰ similar treatment 11:52
and turn that into a PR
jjatria lizmat: Thanks. I'll see how it goes. If I get burned, I know where to come back to 11:53
jmerelo jjatria: good luck 11:55
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Xliff . 12:05
lizmat: You around?
lizmat Xliff: around but pretty distracted 12:08
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AlexDaniel lizmat, jjatria: I don't think it's an omission 12:26
≤ and such were added as alternatives to <= 12:27
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AlexDaniel and even these were very prolbematic 12:28
for example, there was a performance difference
so adding more unicode ops should be justified
there's this page which lists some good reasons for addition of new unicode ops: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/wiki/save...from-ASCII
MasterDuke i thought the performance difference was mitigated a while ago? 12:29
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AlexDaniel yes, I think it is now fixed, but point is that extra fancy operators make our lives harder 12:29
and so their addition should be justified
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AlexDaniel out of 4 reasons listed on the wiki page ≰ satisfies about 0.5 12:30
we even reverted ⁇ ‼ 12:31
“TL;DR: it fails to satisfy criteria mentioned on top of this page. That is, there is no reason to add it (and we are not adding unicode ops just for fun).”
also see github.com/rakudo/rakudo/pull/1348 12:33
jjatria AlexDaniel: yeah, makes sense. That doesn't actually surprise me
Thanks for the info! I'll have a read 12:34
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lizmat jjatria: fwiw, I think it would be a good exercise :-) 12:39
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pmurias AlexDaniel: ⁇ ‼ isn't usefull at all 12:43
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tadzik While it makes sense in some cases, #↓ and #← can be misleading in others 12:48
eh, I find #| and #= misleading at all times :)
jjatria lizmat: Yeah, I do think I might try it, even if only to learn a little about the internals 12:50
tadzik regarding ∤ for |%% (U+2224 DOES NOT DIVIDE [Sm] (∤)): this does look very similar to polish ł in some fonts, which is actually a legal variable name 12:51
m: my \ł = 5;
camelia ( no output )
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Xliff m: my $a = 'ABC\o0\o0\o0'; say $a eq 'ABC' 12:58
camelia False
Xliff How can I make this true? ^^ 12:59
guifa Interestingly a lot of those Unicode op proposals could already be done through modules for people to try out
And the sqrt vs √’s precedence issue would seem okay to me, for instance, in that || && are tighter than and or, so I’d expect √ tighter than sqrt 13:00
the pointy block proposal actually already happens with my editor font automatically via ligatures 13:01
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Xliff m: my $a = "abc\o0\0o\0o"; $a.comb.map( *.ord ).say; $a .= subst("\o0", ''); 13:07
camelia (97 98 99 0 0 111 0 111) 13:08
Xliff m: my $a = "abc\o0\0o\0o"; $a.comb.map( *.ord ).say; $a .= subst("\o0", ''); $a.comb.map( *.ord ).say
camelia (97 98 99 0 0 111 0 111)
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mensvaga Is there a perl6 interpreter that isn't implemented in java?
lizmat mensvaga: yeah, the default one, in MoarVM
Xliff mensvaga: Yes, there is one implemented in MoarVM. This is the one most of us use.
lizmat: Do you think you'll have time to look at my issue, today?
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Xliff m: my $a = "abc\0\0\0"; $a.comb.map( *.ord ).say; $a .= subst("\o0", '', :g); $a.comb.map( *.ord ).say
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mensvaga lizmat , Xliff, thanks
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Xliff m: my $a = "abc\0\0\0"; $a.comb.map( *.ord ).say; $a .= subst("\0", '', :g); $a.comb.map( *.ord ).say 13:11
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Xliff m: my $a = "abc\0\0\0"; $a.comb.map( *.ord ).say; $a .= trans("\0" => ''); $a.comb.map( *.ord ).say
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Xliff What's the proper type to use for const void *? I know Pointer will work, but how about Blob or Buf? 13:55
Of course, if I use either of the later 2, I get a MoarVM panic 13:56
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pmurias SmokeMachine: pong 14:34
SmokeMachine pmurias: sorry, I would ask if `EVAL(:lang<JavaScript>, "return false").Bool` would return `True` but I already got it... that's true only for wrapped objects, that's not the case of `false`... 14:36
pmurias: very good solution! :)
pmurias I'm not sure how to deal with Symbols 14:39
SmokeMachine pmurias: I'm not sure if it make any sense... but how about `JavaScripdt::Symbols::mySymbol`? 14:42
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discord6 <RaycatWhoDat> Aren't Symbols supposed to be like gensym in Common Lisp? 14:53
<RaycatWhoDat> That is to say, they are names generated by the implementation that are always unique?
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pmurias RaycatWhoDat: yes 15:00
RaycatWhoDat: for now I'm handling them as regular wrapped JS objects
discord6 <RaycatWhoDat> That's a bit weird, since they're primitive. 15:01
pmurias but we don't have a matching Perl 6 primitive right? 15:03
discord6 <RaycatWhoDat> How do you plan on unwrapping it?
<RaycatWhoDat> Right, makes sense.
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pmurias if you pass them back to js they get unwrapped 15:03
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pmurias you can call methods and get attributes from all the wrapped js objects 15:04
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xinming SmokeMachine: BTW, Please think about how to handle something like, dynamically switching the "table_name" for the model, This is can be also a must feature. :-) 16:11
SmokeMachine xinming: If I got it right, it's already possible... 16:12
xinming let's say, in perl5 DBIC, we can do something like this with local $result_source->{table_name} = 'another_table';
Ok, thanks, I just check my project, and I realized something like that. :-) 16:13
SmokeMachine xinming: like this? github.com/FCO/Red/issues/173
xinming Yes 16:14
Something like that.
Is it safe to do something like temp Bla.^table = "xx" ? 16:15
SmokeMachine yes
xinming If not, maybe we can make it a rw container
Ok, THanks.
SmokeMachine (it is a rw container...)
xinming I'll trouble you next time I have new thoughts. still haven't tried Red yet.
got it.
SmokeMachine github.com/FCO/Red/blob/master/lib...el.pm6#L68 16:16
xinming: please, do that! 16:17
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area51stormer hey mst can you stop making shit up about other users? 18:26
tadzik can we stay on topic? :) 18:27
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Doc_Holliwood m: use MONKEY; augment class Any { method foo() { say "foo"; } }; 1.foo; 19:08
camelia No such method 'foo' for invocant of type 'Int'. Did you mean 'foo'?
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
Doc_Holliwood Yes, I did. Tyvm
MasterDuke ugh, i keep forgetting to fix that 19:10
could you create a rakudo issue?
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Doc_Holliwood sure 19:43
by "fix" you mean? 19:44
MasterDuke it suggests the same name it said it couldn't find 19:46
cpan-p6 New module released to CPAN! LibXSLT (0.0.1) by 03WARRINGD 20:00
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Doc_Holliwood nah, i mean wether that code is supposed to work, or wether it should get a better error message 20:05
MasterDuke oh, ha. i didn't even look if it's supposed to work 20:08
you would have to .^compose after augmenting
m: use MONKEY; augment class Any { method foo() { say "foo"; } }; Int.^compose; 1.foo; 20:09
camelia foo
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Doc_Holliwood maybe add to the error message "Did you forget to ^compose?" ? 20:31
MasterDuke hm, good idea 20:32
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jnthn I don't think "did you forget to .^compose" is really relevant 99% of the time in such an error, since most of the time there really isn't such a method. The burden should be on the advanced folks doing MOP stuff. 22:03
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timotimo that's kind of like when windows says "contact your administrator" with an error, which often stumped me when i was the administrator 22:12
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Grinnz better than when it says "permission denied" when running as admin 22:21
timotimo linux does that when you try to ./ a file that's not +x even if you're root, that can throw a beginner off easily 22:22
Grinnz or if selinux gets in the way :P 22:23
the windows occurrences have no such excuse however
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phogg Nothing beats the old "Error: Success" message. 22:28
Elronnd better than Error: an error was encountered handing a thrown error 22:29
Xliff Ooh.... war stories! 22:45
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SmokeMachine jnthn: but wouldn’t that make sense when the expected method exists on the class? 23:14
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