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discord6 | <Aearnus> Just saw TimToady's blessing for the name change... I'm getting hyped!! | 02:07 | |
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araraloren | Finally, Perl6 will become Raku. | 06:27 | |
Can we still using CAPN in the future ? | 06:31 | ||
dpk | could have CRAN | 06:37 | |
, each package called a CRANberry, etc | |||
Grinnz | for the time being, nobody has proposed any changes to use of cpan | 06:39 | |
araraloren | So which version will support the new name ? in 6.e ? | ||
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jmerelo | squashable: status | 06:42 | |
squashable6 | jmerelo, ⚠🍕 Next SQUASHathon in 5 days and ≈21 hours (2019-10-19 UTC-12⌁UTC+20). See github.com/rakudo/rakudo/wiki/Mont...Squash-Day | ||
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Grinnz | lizmat: for what it's worth, i think supporting a Raku folder or whatever on cpan should not be impossible, sure it takes a while to get all the ducks in a row but at least we have the existing setup to model it on | 06:51 | |
jmerelo | Grinnz: what about just renaming the current Perl6 folder? | 06:53 | |
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Grinnz | jmerelo: it would be a lot more effort to coordinate all the necessary tools changing and changing all the existing dists in one swoop... supporting two variants is a lot more practical | 06:53 | |
jmerelo | m: my $sig = :('Þor', Str, Int); say <Þor Hammer 1> ~~ $sig | 06:54 | |
camelia | True | ||
Grinnz | basically the same "add new, discourage old, remove old" progression proposed for the rest of the stuff, but probably on a few years longer timeline | ||
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jmerelo | Grinnz: OK | 06:57 | |
Grinnz | (and given how CPAN dists from 2000 without META.yml are still supported... maybe the last step never happens :P) | 07:00 | |
by the way. next friday is the currently planned for migration of all perl 5 core tickets from RT to github. is raku still using RT? | 07:02 | ||
i know it's not suggested anymore | 07:03 | ||
jmerelo | Grinnz: "using" as in including new tickets, no. But I'm not sure all RT tickets have been migrated to Github. | ||
Grinnz there was this issue: github.com/perl6/problem-solving/issues/49 | 07:04 | ||
Grinnz | yeah taht's why i ask. the domain should work, but it will become read only | ||
jmerelo | Grinnz: ah, OK. So it's not that urgent to transfer them... But we still need to do it. | 07:05 | |
Grinnz | i see toddr mentioned his migration method in there. it's quite sophisticated, he showed his demo of how its going to look today | 07:06 | |
github.com/Perl/perl5-test/issues | |||
it's apaprently using an unreleased github api that he can't release info about | 07:07 | ||
jmerelo | Grinnz the problem on our side is that it's not too clear where the tickets should go. And we have two organizations, so dumping them into a repository owned by one is not really OK | ||
Grinnz | yeah, that's messy | 07:08 | |
lizmat | weekly: www.theregister.co.uk/2019/10/11/p...arry_wall/ | 07:11 | |
notable6 | lizmat, Noted! (weekly) | ||
lizmat | I vote for no changes to PAUSE | ||
afk for the rest of the day& | 07:13 | ||
jmerelo | Grinnz: unreleased GitHub API? But accessible to some developers anyway? What gives? | 07:19 | |
Grinnz | jmerelo: he's in contact with github about it, probably because of the scope of the problem | 07:20 | |
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Grinnz | 17500 tickets and getting lots of metadata right is a fun task | 07:21 | |
jmerelo | I think it's probably OK if he does the same for Perl 6. I see there are some issues with name mapping, but since he's got the privs for the issue and everything, it's best if he proceeds when he's ready | 07:22 | |
Deciding what to do with the tickets is transparent to the process of creating the tickets. | |||
m: class Foo { has $.stuff; method bar( $self: ) }; say Foo.bar.signature ~~ :($:) | 07:25 | ||
camelia | 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp> Missing block at <tmp>:1 ------> 3Foo { has $.stuff; method bar( $self: ) 7⏏5}; say Foo.bar.signature ~~ :($:) |
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jmerelo | m: class Foo { method bar( $self: ){} }; say Foo.bar.signature ~~ :($:) | 07:26 | |
camelia | False | ||
jmerelo | m: class Foo { method bar( $self: ){} }; say Foo.bar.signature | ||
camelia | Nil | ||
jmerelo | m: class Foo { method bar( $self: ){} }; say Foo.new.bar.signature | ||
camelia | Nil | ||
jmerelo | m: class Foo { method bar( $self: ){} }; say Foo.new().bar | 07:27 | |
camelia | Nil | ||
jmerelo | m: class Foo { method bar( $self: ){ "baz" } }; say Foo.new().bar | ||
camelia | baz | ||
jmerelo | m: class Foo { method bar( $self: ){ "baz" } }; say Foo.new().bar.signature | ||
camelia | No such method 'signature' for invocant of type 'Str' in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1 |
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jmerelo | m: class Foo { method bar( $self: ){ "baz" } }; say &(Foo.new().bar).signature | ||
camelia | No such method 'signature' for invocant of type 'Str' in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1 |
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jmerelo | m: class Foo { method bar( $self: ){ "baz" } }; say &(Foo.bar).signature | ||
camelia | No such method 'signature' for invocant of type 'Str' in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1 |
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jmerelo | m: class Foo { method bar( $self: ){ "baz" } }; say &(Foo.bar) | 07:28 | |
camelia | baz | ||
jmerelo | m: class Foo { method bar( $self: ){ "baz" } }; say Foo.&bar | ||
camelia | 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp> Undeclared routine: bar used at line 1. Did you mean 'VAR', 'bag'? |
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discord6 | <mj41> morning, is this bug or not github.com/mj41/Raku-Step-by-Step/...air.p6#L15 ? There is related bug report github.com/rakudo/rakudo/issues/3211 | 07:31 | |
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jmerelo | m: my $x = [ Hash.new('b',4) ] | 07:32 | |
camelia | ( no output ) | ||
jmerelo | m: my $x = [ Hash.new('b',4) ]; say $x | ||
camelia | [b => 4] | ||
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jmerelo | m: my $x = [ %(b => 4) ]; say $x | 07:34 | |
camelia | [b => 4] | ||
jmerelo | OK, I can't get this right. How do I get a handle on a class method? I can just add the & sigil for routines, but I can't seem to find how to do it for methods | 07:39 | |
m: class Foo { method bar( $self: ){ "baz" } }; say &(::Foo.bar) | 07:40 | ||
camelia | baz | ||
jmerelo | m: class Foo { method bar( $self: ){ "baz" } }; say Foo.^methods | ||
camelia | (bar BUILDALL) | ||
jmerelo | m: class Foo { method bar( $self: ){ "baz" } }; say Foo.^methods('bar') | ||
camelia | Too many positionals passed; expected 2 arguments but got 3 in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1 |
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jmerelo | m: class Foo { method bar( $self: ){ "baz" } }; say Foo.^methods(Foo,'bar') | ||
camelia | Too many positionals passed; expected 2 arguments but got 4 in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1 |
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jmerelo | m: class Foo { method bar( $self: ){ "baz" } }; say Foo.^methods[0] | 07:41 | |
camelia | bar | ||
sena_kun | m: class Foo { method bar( $self: ){ "baz" } }; say Foo.^methods.grep(*.name eq 'bar'); | ||
camelia | (bar) | ||
jmerelo | Well, that seemed to do it... | ||
sena_kun: no other way? | |||
sena_kun | jmerelo, none I know of | 07:42 | |
jmerelo | m: class Foo { method bar( $self: ){ "baz" } }; say Foo.^methods.grep(*.name eq 'bar').signature | ||
camelia | No such method 'signature' for invocant of type 'Seq' in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1 |
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sena_kun | what do you want to do in the first place? | ||
jmerelo | m: class Foo { method bar( $self: ){ "baz" } }; say Foo.^methods.grep(*.name eq 'bar')[0].signature | ||
camelia | ($self: *%_) | ||
sena_kun | m: class Foo { method bar( $self: ){ "baz" } }; say Foo.^methods.first(*.name eq 'bar').signature | ||
camelia | ($self: *%_) | ||
jmerelo | m: class Foo { method bar( $self: ){ "baz" } }; say Foo.^methods.first(*.name eq 'bar').signature ~~ :($:) | 07:43 | |
camelia | False | ||
jmerelo | m: class Foo { method bar( $self: ){ "baz" } }; say Foo.^methods.first(*.name eq 'bar').signature ~~ :($: *%) | ||
camelia | True | ||
jmerelo | sena_kun: thanks! | ||
sena_kun | yw | 07:44 | |
jmerelo | Now I don't get why the signature of a methods gets *% added on top | 07:45 | |
But I guess that's a different thing altogether... | |||
Geth_ | doc: 383a93744e | (JJ Merelo)++ | 2 files Checks content on Pod6 tables Only some changes here and there, but it checks the item on "more well-defined pod tables" in #2632, since it seemt to have been written after that. |
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doc: 682f7496be | (JJ Merelo)++ | doc/Type/Signature.pod6 Adds examples that use signature literals With literals or the invocant marker, $:. Refs #2632 |
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synopsebot | Link: doc.perl6.org/type/Signature | ||
sena_kun | that's a default for methods, thought I don't know the exact reason | ||
m: class A { method a($a) {} }; A.a(42, :fu) | 07:47 | ||
camelia | ( no output ) | ||
jmerelo | sena_kun: will you want to write something for the Advent calendar? | 07:49 | |
sena_kun | jmerelo, I want, but have no ideas for topics, alas. I am also a bit burnt out right now, which makes me a bit useless when it comes to writing anything related to code. | 07:51 | |
jmerelo | sena_kun take care then. In case you can think of something, just let us now. | ||
sena_kun | jmerelo, sure! | ||
jmerelo | sena_kun sorry to hear that, but sometimes you just need to step back, take a rest and relax. | ||
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mj41 | m: my $x = [ Hash.new("b",4) ]; say $x; say WHAT $x[0]; | 07:56 | |
camelia | [b => 4] (Pair) |
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sena_kun | m: my @a = Hash.new('b', 4),; say @a[0].^name; | 07:59 | |
camelia | Hash | ||
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mj41 | sena_kun: thx, .^name is better github.com/mj41/Raku-Step-by-Step/...34adbfacee :-) | 08:16 | |
jmerelo | notable6: weekly blogs.perl.org/users/ovid/2019/10/l...-raku.html | ||
notable6 | jmerelo, Noted! (weekly) | ||
sena_kun | mj41, they are just different, ^name gives you a Str and a fully qualified type, .WHAT gives you an object of type | 08:17 | |
m: IO::Path.^name.say; IO::Path.WHAT.say; | |||
camelia | IO::Path (Path) |
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sena_kun | ^ so with WHAT you're in trouble if you are checking type of something like Foo::Bar::Baz | ||
jmerelo | mj41: May I interest you in writing something for the Advent Calendar? Just add your name here: github.com/perl6/advent/blob/maste...9/schedule | 08:18 | |
sena_kun | m: 42.WHAT.abs; 42.^name.abs; | 08:19 | |
camelia | Invocant of method 'abs' must be an object instance of type 'Int', not a type object of type 'Int'. Did you forget a '.new'? in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1 |
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sena_kun | ^ I know calling `abs` on Int type object is a stretch, but with custom classes it'll look better | ||
mj41 | jmerelo: not sure to that "not easy to understand/learn parts" is good advent post :-) ... and I am not sure these are my not-understandings or raku bugs | 08:25 | |
jmerelo | mj41as long as you talk about Raku, it's OK | ||
sena_kun would be interested to read about that | |||
mj41 | but anybody feel free to watch github.com/mj41/Raku-Step-by-Step/...ster/steps and use it as a list to be clarified | ||
sena_kun | I remember I promised a post about something, but don't remember the exact topic I promised. :S | 08:26 | |
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jmerelo | sena_kun: add yourself as TBD. | 08:40 | |
sena_kun | jmerelo, roger! | 08:46 | |
jmerelo | sena_kun: thanks! | 08:47 | |
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SmokeMachine | m: class Foo { method bar( $self: ){ "baz" } }; say Foo.^lookup(“bar”).signature | 10:19 | |
camelia | ($self: *%_) | ||
SmokeMachine | m: class Foo { method bar( $self: ){ "baz" } }; say Foo.^find_method(“bar”).signature | 10:22 | |
camelia | ($self: *%_) | ||
SmokeMachine | jmerelo: ^^ | 10:23 | |
tellable6 | SmokeMachine, I'll pass your message to jmerelo | ||
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xinming_ | anyone here know, is Template::Haml will be the same as haml.js? | 11:57 | |
hm, ignore me, I don't like the haml syntax. :-)\ | 11:58 | ||
I'm trying to find a template engine for both client and server. | |||
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xinming_ | really hard to find one. | 11:58 | |
SmokeMachine | xinming_: I’m thinking of using Cro::Webapp::Template... | 11:59 | |
xinming_ | SmokeMachine: But it doesn't render in client side | 12:03 | |
I'm looking into mustache, But still need to think on how the templates should be organized so I'll be easy to maintain. | |||
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tony-o_ | xinming_: i usually have lib/App/Controller and a view/<controller name>/<function name serving a uri path> | 13:49 | |
lib/App/Controller/<controller name> ^^ | 13:50 | ||
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cpan-p6 | New module released to CPAN! Path::Finder (0.2.1) by 03LEONT | 14:28 | |
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leont | Getting some weird test results on Windows that I can't quite explain | 15:05 | |
does dir() do something weird with directories? I'm quite at a loss to what's going on. | 15:08 | ||
araraloren | what's happening ? | 15:10 | |
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leont | The last failure in github.com/Leont/path-finder/issues/6 | 15:40 | |
It's supposed to filter out .bzr, .git and friends, yet somehow it doesn't on windows | |||
Grinnz | strange results on windows? why, i never | 15:41 | |
discord6 | <RaycatWhoDat> Yee-haw. raymperry.github.io/raku-fansite/ | ||
<RaycatWhoDat> Comments, critique, pitchfolks welcome. | 15:42 | ||
leont | Ultimately the test it does is «item.basename ~~ $pattern && $item.d», but the basename implementation looks sensible to me, and .d being broken sounds rather unlikely | 15:44 | |
araraloren | Seems like on the windows Raku using \ instead / | 15:45 | |
leont | Yeah, I fixed most of those, but the last failure isn't a / versus \ issue | 15:46 | |
It's a "those values shouldn't be in the list in the first place" | |||
araraloren | oh, I see | ||
chloekek | RaycatWhoDat: apart from the Resources menu it seems to work completely when JS is disabled so kudos for that. | 15:53 | |
discord6 | <RaycatWhoDat> Nah, Resources menu never worked | 15:58 | |
<RaycatWhoDat> Just an icon lol | |||
timotimo | @RaycatWhoDat it breaks horribly when zoomed in | 15:59 | |
uzl[m] | It looks good, RaycatWhoDat. Some of the code examples are bleeding into the footer though. | 16:06 | |
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discord6 | <tmtvl> Oh yeah, p6ring will need renaming to rakuring after the merge come Monday. | 16:07 | |
timotimo | we be rakuringing | 16:08 | |
uzl[m] | One of the cleanest and clearest sites I've come across is Inko's (inko-lang.org/) but I guess this is suggestive. ;-) | 16:09 | |
araraloren | leont The issue code is the line 283 of file Finder.pm | 16:13 | |
You should add | flat the Array | |||
leont | You mean the <.git …>? | 16:42 | |
Then why does the test pass on linux? That seems illogical to me (though if you tested it I believe you) | 16:44 | ||
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mst | oh fuck my life the IRC channel moves are going to be fun | 16:55 | |
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lucasb | why aren't you all in #raku yet? We are having fun there already :) | 16:57 | |
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timotimo | mst: and changing up the cloaks :) | 17:00 | |
mst | *lolsob* | 17:05 | |
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discord6 | <tmtvl> Disco channel should move as well. Maybe add a second bridge until we can switch of the #perl6 bridge? | 17:43 | |
Grinnz | with discord you can just rename everything though | 17:44 | |
oh you mean the bridge should | |||
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timotimo | bridge the messages from the perl6 channels to the raku channels via two discord bridge bots | 17:50 | |
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Grinnz | what could possibly go wro-- | 17:51 | |
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Doc_Holliwood registers church-of-raku.com | 18:24 | ||
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AlexDaniel | funny thing I always forget about, even without a rename we still have raku alias | 18:53 | |
so if you call your project rakusmth today then it's not wrong | |||
Doc_Holliwood | "even without"? | 18:58 | |
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AlexDaniel | Doc_Holliwood: I mean, like, before Monday | 19:06 | |
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xinming_ | Maybe we'll soon rename the channel to #raku | 19:24 | |
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AlexDaniel | not maybe but definitely, after the rename :) | 19:34 | |
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jjatria | RaycatWhoDat: I like the "Created with ♥ by »ö« and the Raku community." at the bottom :D | 19:47 | |
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discord6 | <theangryepicbanana> ya know I've been having more luck getting people to switch to p6 by calling it raku | 19:57 | |
<theangryepicbanana> until they see what it's actually called, in which case I get yelled at | |||
xinming_ | Is there web irc client written in perl6? | ||
If not perl5 is ok too | 19:58 | ||
discord6 | <theangryepicbanana> probably not, although you could always look on cpan? | ||
jjatria | If Perl 5 is fine, I've been using convos.by, and it works great | 19:59 | |
discord6 | <RaycatWhoDat> Thanks, jjatria | 20:07 | |
<RaycatWhoDat> I think the basic draft is far enough along | 20:08 | ||
<RaycatWhoDat> Now, to make it mobile friendly. | |||
xinming_ | jjatria: Thanks, I'll check it out. | 20:15 | |
Doc_Holliwood | writing an irc client would be fun. i already have a name. Chō (Butterfly) | 20:22 | |
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cpan-p6 | New module released to CPAN! LibXML (0.1.3) by 03WARRINGD | 21:12 | |
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sagax | hi all! | 21:14 | |
where i can read about different between perl5 and perl6 ? | |||
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jdv79 | as ive said before ill do the pause changes - not a big deal | 21:16 | |
whatever works... | 21:17 | ||
sagax: good question. | |||
Voldenet | sagax: docs.perl6.org/language/5to6-nutshell | 21:18 | |
jdv79 | did david adler do most of 5to6? | 21:19 | |
havent seen him in a long time | |||
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sagax | thanks | 21:21 | |
Voldenet | jdv79: you can check authors of this doc on github, if you're interested github.com/perl6/doc/blob/master/d...shell.pod6 | 21:22 | |
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El_Che | we made slashdot, although it's not the same as in the 90s :) developers.slashdot.org/story/19/1...-6-to-raku | 21:59 | |
weekly: we made slashdot, although it's not the same as in the 90s :) developers.slashdot.org/story/19/1...-6-to-raku | |||
notable6 | El_Che, Noted! (weekly) | ||
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Geth_ | whateverable: 2cb042a436 | (Aleks-Daniel Jakimenko-Aleksejev)++ | lib/Whateverable.pm6 Join Raku channels |
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cpan-p6 | New module released to CPAN! Path::Finder (0.2.2) by 03LEONT | 23:31 | |
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