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[07:16] <Nicholas> good *, *

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[11:18] <jnthn> nine: Wow, that's some progress :-)

[11:35] <timo> i wonder when the right time would be to start building something on top of rakuast that's not "make tests work"

[11:36] <nine> My guess at this point: just a couple of months after you joined building something that's "make tests work" ;)

[11:37] <lizmat> an intermediate project could be rewriting the "assuming" logic in RakuAST ?

[11:59] <timo> :D

[12:05] <jnthn> I think most ideally with assuming we'd have some role mixed in wrap-style that marks out the argument transformation, and use new-disp to do the argument insertion (because that's exactly what new-disp is good at :)) and only lazily produce a signature if it's ever introspected.

[12:06] <jnthn> That way, the calls to such functions would spesh into pulling the assumed arguments out of a constants table and then a normal boring call

[12:07] <lizmat> jnthn: are you saying this should be independent of RakuAST ?

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[12:09] <jnthn> lizmat: RakuAST would be a decent way to produce the transformed signature

[12:09] <lizmat> ah, ok, *phew*  :-)

[12:09] <jnthn> But at least on MoarVM it's a pity to not make use of new-disp to do the argument insertion

[12:11] <lizmat> so I guess we would keep the old code for the other backends?

[12:12] <jnthn> I think for other backends RakuAST could be used to straight up produce the wrapper

[12:12] <jnthn> (including signature)

[12:12] <jnthn> Hm, wrapper is a bad name for it. The delegator perhaps. :)

[12:13] <jnthn> Most of the work *is* producing the signature anyway

[12:13] <lizmat> that makes it sound like new-disp is a disadvantage / more work ?

[12:14] <jnthn> More work, but producing the signature lazily will be way faster for cases that never introspect, just call, and the calls will be somewhat faster if new-disp can just have it as an argument capture rewrite

[12:15] <jnthn> As with many things, one doesn't *have* to teach the VM about them via new-disp, but doing so can bring significant speedups :)

[12:32] <lizmat> and yet another Rakudo Weekly News hits the Net: https://rakudoweekly.blog/2022/07/04/2022-27-more-videos/

[12:35] <nine> lizmat: brilliant image choice :)

[12:35] <lizmat> thanks...   :-)

[12:36] <lizmat> taken about 25k from here

[12:36] <lizmat> *km

[12:36] <jnthn> lizmat++

[12:37] <nine> Did you have this use case in mind when taking it or did it occur to you later?

[12:37] <lizmat> I had it in mind

[12:38] <lizmat> other than cropping and a little colour correction, no other tampering was performed  :-)

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[21:12] <timo> i wonder how many (if any) signatures we have serialized in the core setting that would be saved if assuing created signatures lazily

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