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masak ok, on line 40 of p6w/Text/Markup/Wiki/Minimal.pm we have 'Text::Markup::Wiki::Minimal::Syntax::paragraph' 11:26
I would like to be able to write &($?PACKAGE)::Syntax::paragraph there instead
but I don't think Rakudo supports that yet
moritz_ eval to the help! 12:25
masak that's a though... 12:30
s/\\./t./
but since I intend it as an _improvement_ to readability... :) 12:31
actually, depending on how it looks, it might be better with eval than the current state of things
moritz_ given that $?PACKAGE isn't implemented... forget it 12:32
masak true 12:33
how hard would it be to implement?
is the information available already, only not through the variable $?PACKAGE?
how does a class know its own name through .WHAT?
moritz_ that's totally unrelated 12:34
masak packages and classes?
moritz_ implementation-wise, I mean
masak I thought they belonged to the same hierarchy of container-like things in Perl 6
moritz_ classes create a proto object 12:35
and that stores the class name, I think
which can be accessed via method calls
masak I'm just thinking of from where to instruct the information about the current package
s/instruct/extract/
moritz_ whereas $?PACKAGE would have to install a read-only lexical variable at compile time for every class/module/package definition 12:36
masak hm
would `class A { print $?PACKAGE }` print "A"?
moritz_ I think so, yes 12:37
masak moritz_: agree. that's a very different thing from what .WHAT does
masak emails rakudobug about $?PACKAGE 12:38
moritz_ but again, the relationship between classes, packages and types is a bit outside my area of expertise
masak mine too, but I'm learning 12:39
hm, spec.pugscode.org 403s for me
moritz_ try again 12:40
masak same thing
moritz_ on Sunday I was reading through the Perl 6 part of "Perl 6 and Parrot Essentials"
works here
masak perlcabal.org/syn/ works, though
moritz_ and I corrected small things here and there...
masak in the book?
moritz_ and then I hit chapter 7 about rules/regexes 12:41
and it's all out of date
I didn't even know where to start
masak I can imagine
much has changed in that area
moritz_ masak: yes, it's open sourced
masak mainly because of PGE, I guess :)
moritz_: oh. cool.
moritz_ the perl 6 part lives in the pugs repo in docs/tutorial/ 12:42
the parrot part in the parrot repo in docs/book/
masak (open source)++ 12:43
moritz_ anyway, even if we neglect out-of-date-ness, it's much too fast for anybody who doesn't know regular expressions 12:44
and even if somebody knows about them, the calls to subrules aren't explained all that well, so it's not obvious for the reader what the powerful part of the regexes is 12:45
and the match object isn't explained at all
masak much to be done in the area of documentation, it seems.
it's also important to actually _use_ the cool features, so that we know what realistic examples to give 12:46
is this correct Perl 6? `package P; say $?PACKAGE` 12:47
moritz_ would parse mathematic expressions, but he uses that example far too often anyway
masak: yes, it's correct, but there can only be one package $name; expression in a file
masak let's say there is in this case :)
does Rakudo support that only-one-per-file form yet?
or am I better of just using class blocks in my examples in the email to rakudobug? 12:48
apparently it's not supported yet :)
moritz_ detects a lack of p6eval in #november-wiki 12:49
masak indeed
fixable? :)
moritz_ sure
masak yay! 12:50
moritz_ I just have to find the correct config file
12:50 p6eval joined
masak ...and once again, the population of bots equals the population of humans in #november-wiki 12:50
rakudo: say "hello Perl 6!"
p6eval rakudo 31507: OUTPUT[hello Perl 6!ā¤]
moritz_ detects: lack of p6eval solved
masak moritz_++ 12:51
moritz_ counts two bots only, two speakers and two lurkers
masak zarah: did he count you as a bot or a human?
zarah masak: are you making fun of me?
masak zarah: yes.
zarah masak: I see.
moritz_ uhm 12:52
masak karma moritz
zarah moritz has a karma of 0
masak karma moritz_
zarah moritz_ has a karma of 1
moritz_ ok, not easily recognizable as a bot
is that a non-nerving version of purl? ;-)
masak zarah: you may be a bot, but you are the cute one!
zarah masak: no, YOU are the cute one!
masak :) 12:53
moritz_: yes, she is
moritz_ oh, and charming as well
PHP?
masak Perl 5 :)
moritz_ zarah: PHP?
zarah moritz_: are you talking to *me*?
masak she's written in POE 12:54
moritz_ so not just an infobot?
zarah, PHP is swahili for "child molestor"
zarah moritz_: I did not understand that
masak moritz_: well, she doesn't do that thing that purl does with remembering loose data, no 12:55
(I hate that)
moritz_ ah, ok
masak but she does respond automatically to certain harmless patterns
three cheers for certain harmless patterns!
zarah hooray! hooray! hooray! :)
masak botnsack
er, botsnack
moritz_ masak: I think remembering loose data is OK as long as you talk directly to the bot
masak botsnack
zarah ;)
masak moritz_: it could be, yes 12:56
I haven't felt the need for it so far
moritz_ ok
masak she is mostly used by people who already know the loose data
moritz_ ;-)
masak zarah: tell moritz_ zarah has messaging capability, though 12:57
zarah Consider it noted.
masak ...just like lambdabot
moritz_ ORLY?
masak zarah: help
zarah moritz_: You have new messages. Write '@messages' to read them.
masak: avaliable commands are boo botsnack clear-messages google help hi karma messages restart seen slap tell thanks
moritz_ @massages
zarah moritz_: masak said zarah has messaging capability, though
masak :P
I thought of that 12:58
moritz_ even with levenstein distance, or whatever ;)
masak huh? no, certainly not :)
moritz_ @a = (1, 2, 3)
masak: just special cases?
masak ouch
aye
don't know if good or bad
in this case, good :)
moritz_ good!
masak but might be bad if a command was mis-spelled 12:59
moritz_ but I think with the possiblity of having Perl 6 examples in this channel a usage message would be more annoying
masak aye 13:00
it sometimes is annoying in #perl6 13:01
zarah: you're the non-annoying one!
zarah masak: no, YOU'RE the non-annoying one!
masak :)
masak is a strong believer in narrow AI 13:04
s/ie/ei/
moritz_ settled on a topic for his diploma thesis today 13:06
masak let's hear it
moritz_ or rather, on a professor and a field
it's about spin hall effect in semiconductors 13:07
masak hits Wikipedia
moritz_ we have a new chair for theoretical nano physics 13:08
masak how does this Spin Hall effect affect the performance of semiconductors?
moritz_ not significantly, I think 13:09
unless in weird semiconductors like TeHg 13:10
but the question is, can you build transistors that work with spin instead of charge?
masak spintronics!
masak has read something about that in Scientific American
moritz_ it's all weird stuff, and I know next to nothing about it yet 13:11
ask me again in two months, and I can tell you more ;) 13:12
masak it's a deal
good luck!
moritz_ thanks
but the exams go first :(
they are far less exciting
masak well, good luck with them, too
moritz_ thanks again 13:13
masak is currently writing Chinese characters over and over again, studying for a test 13:14
moritz_ sounds like just as much fun as trying to understand the quantization of the magnetic field 13:15
masak it's one of those things which are not in themselves fun, but the fruits of the labour is
it's very rewarding to be able to read Mandarin Chinese 13:16
but this repetition business gives me much respect for millions of Chinese school children

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