2009 -- the year of November. <november-wiki.org> <github.com/viklund/november> <irclog.perlgeek.de/november-wiki> <nopaste.snit.ch>
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eiro hello 19:54
zarah saluton eiro
masak eiro: oh hai :)
eiro hey masak :-)
masak eiro: that's zarah, our local bot.
eiro i just read your answer and jumped here 19:55
perl6 one ?
masak written in POE, but might some day be ported to Perl 6.
she's a smart girl. 19:56
zarah: you're a smart girl.
zarah masak: But we _can't_ go on meeting like this! Over.
masak :)
eiro a point is that: i don't want to reinvent the wheel: every ILS are based on old formats and my attempt is to use FRBR as base. FRBR is well documented but only exists on the paper. I want it to be real :) 19:57
masak ok.
well, there's no need to reinvent wheels that are known to work. :)
we build Web.pm on known-to-work technologies, for example. 19:58
eiro sure ... that's the case: koha works well :)
masak and November is a very ordinary wiki, thus far.
eiro: so why rewrite it?
eiro first because it's more and more hard to hack: koha works well but is based on a poor design and very bad coding styles 19:59
second because there is no ILS that can be FRBR ready for the moment! 20:00
:)
masak ah. so whereas koha works well, it might prove to be a dead end for some needed developments. 20:02
sounds a bit like Perl 5 actually.
eiro good catch! it's like perl5 :) 20:04
(i never noticed before)
PerlJam what are ILS and FRBR? 20:05
masak Integrated Library System, right?
I had to look it up too.
eiro en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integrated_library_system
zarah eiro's link is also tinyurl.com/s9v5v
PerlJam and then FRBR makes sense now I guess.
(based on my googling) 20:06
masak what is it?
PerlJam functional requirements for bibliographic reference
eiro FRBR describe what to store and how to store informations about intellectual contents 20:07
and items you can find in your library
that curent format is MARC ... it comes with:
- limitations from stoneage 20:08
masak FRBR sounds like a good fit for a Perl 6 module.
eiro - stupid serialisation system
- lot of local dialects
i mean : it's hell to import/export informations through ILSs 20:09
masak, that's my goal: provide UML diagram of FRBR objects 20:10
implement it in perl6
some coworkers will try the same in python .... i don't want python to enter into the koha mindshare 20:11
PerlJam If lathos' work with SQLite is exposed through rakudo, it sounds like you can build a simple ILS fairly easily. :)
masak I wish you the best of luck on your quest.
eiro but we have to deal with poor skilled develppers and i have to admit that perl5 is too hard
perl6 comes here to fight python 20:12
masak I would recommend getting something super-simple to run fairly soon, and then build from that.
I don't care much for language wars.
eiro i do :)
PerlJam Hmm. KohaCon is in pmichaud's town in a few days. 20:13
eiro oh ... then it would be cool to meet him 20:14
(but i don't go there :( a coworker does) 20:15
(the python's one) ...
PerlJam eiro: except he'll be at NPW at that time.
masak ok, I'm heading offlinewards now. want to get some slidework done for NPW.
eiro damnit !
masak eiro: nice to see you here on #november-wiki. hope to hear more about your ILS plans. 20:16
masak pulls plug
eiro :-) 20:17
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Tene going to dive into http::daemon tonight 23:24
finally found a coffee shop with wifi to get updates