2009 -- the year of November. <november-wiki.org> <github.com/viklund/november> <irclog.perlgeek.de/november-wiki> <nopaste.snit.ch>
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wayland76 I don't understand the question "is there a precedent to the specification strategy of Perl 6?" Is it rhetorical? 01:06
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masak still problems with getting the hitomi prototype script to DWIFM. 08:31
due to the nature of pride, I think there's a bug in Rakudo somewhere. 08:32
but I'd be happy to be proven wrong.
moritz_ can you paste your current version? 08:35
masak just about to. :) 08:36
gist.github.com/100394
moritz_ another bug in Match.perl, sigh 08:39
masak I'm having a hard time figuring out how to minimize it.
moritz_ somehow Match!_perl_quant gets a list of which one value is an undef 08:46
masak aye.
that's as far as I got too.
too bad we don't have a way to introspect a Match... 08:47
moritz_ sure we have
%($/).pairs
@($/).pairs
stringification should still work
masak tries 08:48
the former gives 'content', the latter ''. 08:50
this despite the fact that I do 'next if $chunk<content>' just before.
moritz_ can <content> match a zero-width string?
masak checks 08:51
no.
moritz_ no.
masak it should.
moritz_ for ^self.list { ... } in Match.pm seems to be the problem 08:52
no
masak hm, changing the rule 'content' from + to * causes the grammar to hang. 08:53
and yet, '<tag></tag>' should parse, and it doesn't now. 09:06
this might actually be a punishment for not writing tests first.
maybe I should start over... 09:07
eiro :)
hello all
zarah ni hao eiro
masak ni hao eiro 09:09
eiro i wonder to myself where 'ni hao' comes from 09:11
wayland76 Chinese
They all have bad knees, and inquire after each others' 09:12
masak eiro: it's really written 你儽.
eiro it means 'hello' ?
masak eiro: yes.
wayland76 It does indeed
masak but literally 'you good'.
wayland76 As a statement, or a question?
masak as a statement, not a question.
wayland76 And good morally, or healthwise?
masak a question would be 'ni hao ma?'
wayland76: I don't know, actually. 09:13
wayland76 Ah, yes, that vaguely rings a bell
probably healthwise
Like "Was hael", 'be well'
masak as in 'you look good'. aye, probably.
wayland76 Or "I wish you good health"
masak sounds more like a goodbye.
anyway, the 'ni hao' greeting is so lexicalized that it doesn't mean anything like 'you good' anymore. 09:14
wayland76 Well, if the Jews (?) can greet with "Peace be upon you", or whatever it is...
masak en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shalom_aleichem 09:15
zarah masak's link is also tinyurl.com/dh3r52
masak google++ wikipedia++
wayland76 Yah, I know, and Arabic is Salaam Alekoom (sp?). But my point is, it sounds like "I wish you good health" 09:23
So if the Hebrew one can be a greeting, then so can "I wish you good health" 09:24
masak aye.
wayland76 Wes Ć¾u Theoden hal!
:)
spinclad and FerĆ¾u hal al so! 09:36
masak is that Icelandic? 09:37
spinclad anglosaxon roughly
masak ah.
spinclad imagines there's a question buried in 'ni hao', that's how i hear it anyhow
'hao are you?' 09:38
spinclad *dux*
masak :) 09:39
part of successfully learning new languages is successfully turning off the part of the brain that does that. at least for me. 09:40
wayland76 It could be like French. "Ca va? Ca va."
It's a question, and its own response
masak well, the question has to have a 'ma' at the end. 09:41
that's how it works.
spinclad i heard 'ni hao ma'/'ni hao a' as variants when i was dabbling
masak aye.
wayland76 Wes = be. Ć¾u = thou. Theoden is the guy's name. hal = hale, whole healthy
masak nice.
wayland76 Is "al so" good Old English? :) 09:42
masak ah, good old english. :)
spinclad dunno rilly, just a guess
'and' is rightwise 'and', though, that much i know 09:43
wayland76 IIRC, it's a quote from LoTR. The Rohirrim spoke Old English (=Anglo-Saxon), but with the Mercian dialect that Modern English is descended from, instead of the West Saxon that appears in most manuscripts
"al so" sort of looks right and feels wrong or something :) 09:44
(The Theoden line is the quote from LoTR, not the rest)
All hail Duke spinclad!
wayland76 also dux :)
spinclad accepts the ill-gained honour 09:46
ill-claimed
wayland76 Who started Web.pm? masak? 09:47
masak wayland76: depends what you mean.
wayland76: correct answers can indicate Juerd, me, viklund, ihrd and/or Tene. 09:48
wayland76 All hail kings Juerd, masak, viklund, ihrd and/or Tene
:)
masak heh. let's reach a modest amount of success first. :P
help appreciated. 09:49
wayland76 Ok. Some hail kings Juerd, masak, viklund, ihrd and/or Tene
:)
Well, I need a working Rakudo first. That's kinda waiting on a branch of Parrot to be merged, which will happen after the release sometime when kid51 gets around to it
After that, Parrot may need another patch, but then hopefully I should be able to get things working more 09:50
By which I mean, I'll probably be working on a "make install" target for Rakudo
masak ok. 09:51
wayland76 But once I have the working RPM, I'll be here :)
Hmm. Actually, maybe I might have a go at Tree first, but hopefully that won't take too long 09:52
spinclad could try for a .deb
wayland76 Especially if the XML grammar is already done :)
spinclad: Well, the process of someone working on a .deb would either help me or be helped by me, I think
Basically, Rakudo has to be configurable about which directory it gets installed in, so that it goes where RPM wants it to 09:53
spinclad of course. i'll try to be around to contribute again, after all these months
masak wayland76: krunen++ is also doing an XML parser. see his project at github. 09:54
wayland76 Speaking of which, pleased to meet you :)
Oh, great. I started playing with Moritz' ages ago, but Rakudo wasn't up to it at that point 09:55
I should also point out that I'm intending that Tree will be able to input/output XML :) 09:56
So it can certainly work in conjunction with Web.pm :)
(XML among other things)
spinclad good to meet thee, wayland76, and greetings all around. i love what's been shaping in November, Web.pm, rakudo, (elf, smop, std, ...) 09:59
masak me too. 10:07
lunch & 10:17
moritz_ masak: does the Match.perl "work" for you (ie not die) when you revert d0a5de55a1da8c7307e6c486fd9b548fcbc0b727? 12:45
masak tries
moritz_ it's Match.pm line 39 where .value is undef, but I don't see how a legal match object should ever have that. 12:49
masak moritz_: nope, gives the same error: "Method '!_perl' not found for invocant of class 'Failure'" 12:50
moritz_ yes, verified... I inserted a say .value.PARROT, and it says Failure 12:51
given that $_ comes from %(self).pairs, that should never happen. 12:52
masak agreed.
and yet she moves.
moritz_ => bug in Rakudo or PGE
masak ...as opposed to .perl, you mean?
moritz_ yes, a bug in non-setting code 12:53
masak maybe time to minimize that failure after all.
it shouldn't be impossible.
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