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2009 -- the year of November. <november-wiki.org> <github.com/viklund/november> <irclog.perlgeek.de/november-wiki> <nopaste.snit.ch> Set by moderator on 27 May 2009. |
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| masak | viklund: by the way, did you see that I wrote some tests for Hitomi? | 11:11 | |
| viklund | yep | 11:12 | |
| I'm going to check those out soonish | |||
| masak | nice. | 11:13 | |
| I'll start by reading up on the Genshi source, and then I'll start hacking, too. | |||
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| lichtkind | viklund: do you know %TOC% in TWiki? | 19:47 | |
| it generates a table of content | 19:48 | ||
| viklund: just look at wiki.perl-community.de/cgi-bin/fosw...orialTeil7 | |||
| zarah | lichtkind's link is also tinyurl.com/prshjo | ||
| viklund | ahh, that's useful | ||
| I know mediawiki also has it | |||
| maybe a plugin should do that... | 19:49 | ||
| need to implement that pluginsystem someday | |||
| lichtkind | but please give a possibility that the main topic doesnt appear in the table of content | ||
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| lichtkind | masak: cheers | 19:49 | |
| masak | lichtkind: hello. | ||
| lichtkind | masak: masak im in :) | ||
| masak | lichtkind: cool! | ||
| viklund | o/ | ||
| masak | \\o | 19:50 | |
| viklund | almost like pong... | ||
| lichtkind | maybe i make you sad because i will have lot of questions | ||
| masak | lichtkind: why would that make me sad? :) | ||
| lichtkind: I already know that November needs a lot of work... | |||
| it's certainly not a full-featured wiki. | |||
| lichtkind | no i mean it more in a way that if i write in the nov wiki i like to have some knoweldge so i have a lot of question | 19:51 | |
| viklund | if you just write as if it's mediawiki, most of it should work | 19:52 | |
| lichtkind | viklund: what you mean by that? | ||
| viklund | I might have misunderstood your question | ||
| what was it? | |||
| masak | lichtkind: you're welcome to ask about details of the November wiki. just go ahead. | 19:53 | |
| I would just like to warn that since I'm on neighbournet, I might drop out unexpectedly. but not to worry, I will still be completely unharmed in real life. | 19:54 | ||
| lichtkind | another desighn fault: * Back to Main Page * Recent Changes * Log out | 19:59 | |
| these 3 topics are cluched together | 20:00 | ||
| looking like one sentence | |||
| masak checks | |||
| lichtkind: yes, indeed. it would be nicer if there were some divisions between them. | 20:02 | ||
| in my defense, I didn't add the first two of those. I only figured that "Log in" and "Log out" should be in that corner. | 20:03 | ||
| lichtkind | just a bit space would be good | ||
| masak | but now that I look at it with fresh eyes, I think that all those options should be in the menu to the right instead. | ||
| lichtkind | in deed the other 2 function can hve a nebu on left like the other menu there | ||
| masak | lichtkind: patches welcome. | 20:04 | |
| lichtkind | nah i really have an overload on things i want to do | ||
| masak | that's ok too. :) | ||
| lichtkind | maybe first i will brake the intro text into parts into their own lemmas and write a decent welcome text | 20:09 | |
| the yphe is that november is the fearst usable p6app , the examples are just small scripts | 20:10 | ||
| or would you disagree | |||
| masak | I'm not sure what you mean. | 20:11 | |
| but I would suggest that you leave the main page as it is for now, and work on some other page. after that, we can talk about moving content. | |||
| lichtkind | yes i can park it firstly under another lemma but the way wiki work that you have spezific content under a distinguished topic so you can link and not repeat | 20:13 | |
| and i have the feel the text is there could be broken up into several pages | 20:14 | ||
| the basic idea is to move to which content interests me | |||
| but i started yesterday do sort ideas | |||
| viklund: btw i will be in lissabon to give talk how to write in wikis :) | 20:15 | ||
| masak | lichtkind: I'm filled with expectation about what you will come up with. | ||
| lichtkind: in essence, you're our first real end user. :) | |||
| lichtkind | :) | ||
| masak: im sometimes not as well informed as moritz but i know how to write :) | 20:16 | ||
| masak | that's good. | ||
| lichtkind | viklund: yapceurope2009.org/ye2009/talk/1890 | ||
| zarah | lichtkind's link is also tinyurl.com/qojfpv | ||
| viklund | nice | ||
| masak | zarah: thank you. | 20:17 | |
| zarah | you're welcome, masak :) | ||
| masak | lichtkind: since you know how to write, I'm sure you'll appreciate the following changes in the talk description: s/lot o/lot of/, s/Thatswhy/That's why/ | 20:19 | |
| lichtkind | masak: it was wrote in fast | 20:22 | |
| masak | lichtkind: fortunately, it can be changed after the fact. | 20:24 | |
| lichtkind | masak: yes i just needed new password because i didnt even know which was my userid | 20:25 | |
| masak | I see. | 20:26 | |
| lichtkind | your right thtaswhy is only in german one word | ||
| or its possible in english too? | |||
| masak | no. | ||
| lichtkind | masak: oh, now its changed, there were some typos more :) | 20:28 | |
| masak | oki. :) | ||
| lichtkind | im very sleepy now i will show you before posting | 20:35 | |
| viklund | masak: There's Hitomi::Stream and Hitomi::MarkupTemplate, how do these fit together. somtimes both sometimes only MT? | 21:20 | |
| masak | viklund: I don't know if I'll keep those types. I'll have to research Genshi a bit more. | 21:21 | |
| but the Stream thing seems like a good idea to me. | |||
| viklund | *sigh* | ||
| masak | viklund: you'll notice that I _do_ use both in all tests, though. | ||
| I just don't always mention the Hitomi::Stream by name. | |||
| (so there's nothing inconsistent going on, if that was your question.) | 21:22 | ||
| viklund | so the test-suite is likely to change then\\ | 21:23 | |
| masak | most likely. | ||
| I can almost guarantee it. :) | |||
| especially since it has the additional restriction that Tene's Hitomi HLL should be able to run it. | 21:24 | ||
| lichtkind | may question still stands (shower woke me up) would you both agree that november is the first real perl 6 app? | ||
| viklund | oh well, but I like that you are passing the variables by name instead of grabbing them from the current scope | ||
| masak | we might have to make some sort of abstraction layer for the tests to make that work. | 21:25 | |
| viklund | Tene's? | ||
| masak | viklund: yes, that turned out to be what Genshi does. | ||
| viklund: yes, the plan is that I write the Perl 6 half, and Tene writes the HLL half of Hitomi. | |||
| lichtkind: depends on what you mean by 'first', 'real' and 'app'. | 21:26 | ||
| viklund | masak: please remind me what HLL is? | ||
| masak | viklund: it's Parrot slang for 'Higher Level Language'. | ||
| i.e. a compiler on top o' Parrot. | |||
| with its own namespace, etc. | |||
| viklund | ok, and you code in HLL to optimize... | 21:27 | |
| lichtkind | masak for enduser and a bit larger then some k | ||
| masak | viklund: yes. | ||
| lichtkind: would you count Elf as a real app? it's written in Perl 6. | |||
| and it was written before November. | |||
| lichtkind | masak: its not for enduser :) | ||
| masak | lichtkind: and how about STD.pm? | ||
| lichtkind | its a module :) | 21:28 | |
| PerlJam | There are no real perl6 apps :) | ||
| masak | lichtkind: you can see how I might not agree to your claim, though. :) | ||
| lichtkind: I've never claimed that November is the first real end-user app. | |||
| lichtkind: maybe I will, now that we have you as an end user. :P | |||
| lichtkind | PerlJam: but i thought a wiki is something for enduser :) | ||
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