2009 -- the year of November. <november-wiki.org> <github.com/viklund/november> <irclog.perlgeek.de/november-wiki> <nopaste.snit.ch>
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lichtkind hej jo whazzup 12:30
masak o/ 12:31
just finished my second teching assignment today.
lichtkind masak: im blind 12:33
masak: great
masak: i didnt seen you because your mod and i only looked between l and m
masak Smart Girl ops me when I come here. 12:34
zarah: you're a smart girl, zarah.
zarah masak: If I'm smart, why wasn't _I_ invited, too? Am I a second-class citizen?
masak zarah: invited? you're here all the time!
zarah masak: you've just exceeded my capabilities :/
masak :/
lichtkind masak: hast means "ops me" ? 12:35
masak 'makes me an operator'.
of the channel.
lichtkind masak: ah now i understand 12:36
masak lichtkind: have you said hello to zarah, by the way? she's our house bot. 12:37
lichtkind masak: where los of action yesterday, viklung suggested me to create own wiki syntax because most of them suck badly especially
i missed that
hello zarah
masak Yet Another Wiki Syntax? :)
lichtkind masak: yes it sounds terrible 12:38
masak no, but maybe a bit unnecessary :)
creating a new syntax is a lot of work.
lichtkind but to tell the truth socialtext and twiki are pain in the ass if you have an special char laden lang like perl 6
i want something taht just works and don't comes into my way 12:39
and textile is too simple for programmer related stuff
masak I'm not going to stop someone from inventing a new wiki markup. 12:40
I'm just saying my focus will be on the MediaWiki syntax.
it would be nice to explore having different syntaxes in the same wiki instance.
lichtkind masak: yes we talked yesterday about it and it excites me too 12:42
and having as well P5POD and P6POD as markup 12:43
masak aye.
there are many possibilities indeed.
making a markup parser is quite a lot of work, though.
lichtkind i thought having p6regex in place its cake 12:44
masak: media wiki syntax works for the most part but as i said socialtext as well as twiki drives me up the wall 12:46
masak my focus is on MediaWiki markup. 12:47
I hope to make it bug-for-bug compatible with the one used by MediaWiki.
lichtkind masak: on of the coolest mediawiki markup tags is: <source lang="perl"></source> :)
masak oh, we should definitely have that one.
lichtkind masak: i currently research that one of the most cool things on socialtext is possible with mediawiki with a template but i m shure november don't does templates yet 13:00
masak your suspicion is correct. 13:03
lichtkind masak: that is the cool template i want to have supported {{#if: {{{1|}}} | {{Anker/code|{{{1|}}}}}{{#if: {{{2|}}} | {{Anker/code|{{{2|}}}}}{{#if: {{{3|}}} | {{Anker/code|{{{3|}}}}}{{#if: {{{4|}}} | {{Anker/code|{{{4|}}}}} {{#if: {{{5|}}} | {{Anker/code|{{{5|}}}}}{{#if: {{{6|}}} | {{Anker/code|{{{6|}}}}} }} }}}} }} }} }}<noinclude> 13:06
{{Dokumentation}}
at least a simplified version
that would make november superiour to cocialtext and twiki
masak that wasn't very easy to read, unfortunately. 13:07
lichtkind i dont understand it eather i only know what it does
great advantage of mediawiki is the monospaces fonts and that you can link from boxes 13:09
only downside is the bit crappy syntax for basic text formating 13:10
masak I think it's OK. 13:12
lichtkind do you know how to unquote wiki markup ? 13:23
masak in MediaWiki? I think it's <nowiki>...</nowiki> there. 13:25
lichtkind masak: right i liked the {{ ... }} of socialtext better but it works 13:26
masak well, the thing about full compatibility with MediaWiki markup is that it kinda rules out other constructs.
it would go well with a SocialText markup, though. 13:27
but I think I'll let someone else write that.
lichtkind ;)
masak: can zarah leave viklund a msg?
masak zarah: tell lichtkind yes, she can. 13:29
zarah Consider it noted.
lichtkind hah :)
zarah lichtkind: You have new messages. Write '/msg zarah @messages' to read them.
masak zarah++ 13:30
lichtkind masak: you wrote her?
masak aye.
@messages
zarah masak: You have no new messages.
lichtkind masak: in perl 6?
masak still Perl 5/Moose. 13:31
and POE.
lichtkind zarah: tell viklund after checking some details i found that Mediawiki syntax is good enough for now/ suck much less than socialtext/Twiki
zarah Consider it noted.
masak @botsnack 13:36
zarah ;)
masak @help
zarah masak: avaliable commands are botsnack clear-messages gist google help hi karma messages pelezilla ping plan planet pong ps replan restart seen slap start stop tell thanks unplan
masak zarah: but do you serve cold lemonade? 13:39
zarah masak: that was not so easy for a little bot to understand
masak zarah: oh, shut up. :)
zarah masak: :)
lichtkind masak: has she some sort of AI? 14:06
masak lichtkind: you mean like Skynet? 14:07
lichtkind masak: smaller versions are enough for "oh, hut up" i suppose 14:08
masak I think I have to answer "no, she doesn't have some sort of AI", but I must also confess I don't really know what an AI would be in this case.
but she is smart. :)
zarah: you're a smart girl!
zarah masak: Isn't it time you married me? Over.
masak zarah: no! 14:12
zarah masak: I see.
lichtkind masak: what i basically did yesterday: www.perlfoundation.org/perl6/index....x_modifier 14:13
zarah lichtkind's link is also tinyurl.com/npfme7
masak nice. 14:18
lichtkind masak longest token rule means if i search for here | heredoc it would prefer heredoc ? 14:24
masak exactly.
and you get Longest-Token Matching with C<|>, but ordinary behaviour with C<||>. 14:25
lichtkind masak: thanks p6 is a beast, shall we bet is index gets in the end above or below 1000 entries ? :) 14:27
masak I don't bet, I'm a mormon.
lichtkind really? 14:28
masak no, just messing with you. :)
PerlJam there's no bet. it will be > 1000 entries 14:29
masak glad I didn't take the bet, then. 14:30
lichtkind holy shit but i dont do that alone :)
masak: the founder of mormons wrote some very insightfil things, unfortunately they are today very much involved in secret services 14:31
masak: i also don't like beting but DONT MESS WITH LICHTKIND :(( 14:32
hahaha
masak hides
PerlJam: if anyone asks for me, I'm not here. 14:33
lichtkind masak: com on little masak its not so bad outside 14:39
masak: are no labeled links possible? 15:00
masak lichtkind: not yet, no.
lichtkind masak: arrgh are now labeled links possible?
thanks
masak I hope to get around to implementing that soonish. 15:01
there's some available time coming up this weekend.
lichtkind masak: i can code around them but the broken tags are a real showstopper
masak lichtkind: the guy who implemented tags is called ihrd. he's very busy these days, since the downturn of the economy affected him adversely. 15:03
lichtkind: in the short run, maybe we should disable tags so that we don't expose them in a broken state?
lichtkind yes thats maybe better
there not broken in general but spaces dont work with them and "perl 6" is the most important tag 15:04
masak I'm sorry, I just don't find tags all that important at all. 15:05
but I agree that it's bad that we have them online if they don't work to spec.
lichtkind masak: yes you a sort of broken link screen 15:09
some simple visual improvements would also help
buts that not pressing
masak: but put off the tags would really help since i advertize now in my talks november, and it should not brake 15:13
masak: prepare for new heads, when i talk at frankfurt perl mongers and at YAPC about november :) 15:16
masak :) 15:19
lichtkind ahh masak is happy again :) 15:20
masak yes, and I've learned an important lesson -- not to mess with lichtkind. 15:21
next time I'll say I'm a freemason instead.
lichtkind masak: are you one :) ? 15:22
masak maybe... :)
lichtkind masak: i dont like thought control in any kind, i was just joking too
masak oh, I'm all for thought control. 15:23
as long as it's my thoughts and me doing the controlling.
lichtkind masak: wise words
masak: and to be serious for a second, my childhood was in part cruel enough that i dont like to opress noone 15:33
masak lichtkind: sorry to hear that. good thing about the opress-no-one policy, though. I like that. 15:37
lichtkind masak: thanks but no need for dorry i have what we call in german single fighter menality, and its mostly healed anyway 15:55
masak good. 15:56
lichtkind s/dorry/sorry/
m, mm, s,ss, rx are now also in the index 15:58
the second hardest thing is to label categorize and crosslink everything correctly 16:01
but once done its really usefull
PerlJam crosslinking++ 16:05
lichtkind PerlJam: yes but ther english version is in that respects far behind the german where most parts are written 16:07
PerlJam: when anything is categorized and labeled search will be effective even if you dunno exactly what you looking for 16:25
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lichtkind viklund: hello, got msg? 18:54
viklund msg? what msg? 19:12
zarah viklund: You have new messages. Write '/msg zarah @messages' to read them.
viklund @messages
ahh
zarah viklund: 5 h 40 m 48 s ago, lichtkind said after checking some details i found that Mediawiki syntax is good enough for now/ suck much less than socialtext/Twiki
viklund good, then you only need to bang on masak ;)
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