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2009 -- the year of November. <november-wiki.org> <github.com/viklund/november> <irclog.perlgeek.de/november-wiki> <nopaste.snit.ch> Set by moderator on 18 September 2009. |
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| lichtkind | masak: hai hai | 10:53 | |
| masak | lichtkind: hai there. long time no see. | 10:54 | |
| zarah | masak: You have new messages. Write '/msg zarah @messages' to read them. | ||
| lichtkind | masak: yes had double, triple workload than usual, halliday and so | 10:55 | |
| masak | ok. | ||
| lichtkind | masak: but im i the road again, checked the wiki changes and now written another perl article preparing a 2 day workshop(all wxperl) but slowly i get things done | 10:56 | |
| masak: i think first i will finish november content | 10:57 | ||
| masak: did you anything on it lately? | |||
| masak | unfortunately not. | ||
| still working mostly on Web.pm | |||
| lichtkind | and how is progress with that? | 10:58 | |
| masak | but November (the month) is approaching, and then I will surely turn my attention to November (the wiki) | ||
| progress on Web.pm is gradual but promising. | |||
| lichtkind | is rakudo * on track? | 11:00 | |
| masak: i try to catch up reading blogs but happened somthing greater to perl 6 or rakudo? | 11:08 | ||
| masak | in the past month? | 11:12 | |
| well, right now what's happening is that pmichaud is working on a PGE rewrite. | |||
| we're all pretty excited about that, I think. | |||
| jnthn is on vacation, but stopping by now and then to tell us how tasty Korean food is. | 11:13 | ||
| he'll be back next week. | |||
| mberends and I are planning a coup d'etat for the Temporal spec, where we simultaneously evolve the spec, the spectests and Rakudo, to minimize bikeshedding. | |||
| I think the question 'is Rakudo * on track?' is a very vague one. pmichaud might know more details, though. | 11:14 | ||
| I'd say we're still far enough off that nothing has slipped yet. but all helping hands are welcome, of course. | 11:15 | ||
| I'm having some loose plans for how to get work on u4x flowing. | |||
| lichtkind | what is bikeshedding ? | 11:16 | |
| masak: and why needed PGE to be rewritten | |||
| masak | 'bikeshedding' is a traditional term for endless discussions on details. | 11:17 | |
| pmichaud originally only planned to extend PGE, not rewrite it. | |||
| but it seems he got more and more ideas that eventually led him to rewrite it. | |||
| two fallouts from the rewrite will be protoregexes and variable interpolation, as I understand it. | 11:18 | ||
| hopefully also regex tracing. | |||
| lichtkind | masak: whats that? | 11:22 | |
| masak | emitting debug messages while going through the regex motions. | ||
| I first saw it in TheDamian's talk on Regexp::Grammars at YAPC::EU | 11:23 | ||
| lichtkind | you mean that will be helpfull? | ||
| masak | lichtkind: yes. example: I'd like to build a web application which shows exactly which parts of a given grammar matched a given string. | 11:29 | |
| with the proposed tracing API, I could do that. | |||
| lichtkind | cool | 11:31 | |
| masak | oh, and another thing: I proposed building a piece of vapourware, which became wildly popular. you can read about it here: use.perl.org/~masak/journal/39639 | 11:41 | |
| zarah | masak's link is also tinyurl.com/lc4dvu | ||
| masak | zarah: thanks | ||
| zarah | masak: no, YOU'RE the cute one! :) | ||
| masak | :) | ||
| lichtkind | masak: zahahs is well trained | 11:56 | |
| masak | she's the nicest bot I know. | ||
| lichtkind | masak: btw did you know that jesus doughter name was sarah? | ||
| masak | no. | ||
| lichtkind | masak: of course pope would never admit but its widely known :) | 11:57 | |
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| lichtkind | ruoso: hai | 12:12 | |
| masak: thanks willr ead that | |||
| wayland76 | Widely known to have no supporting evidence, from what Google tells me, unless you count someone who thinks she's the reincarnated version | 13:07 | |
| masak | I'm glad someone else decided to reply to that. | 13:12 | |
| frankly, it feels neither relevant or interesting to me. | |||
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| masak | article in Nature: as a matter of statistical probability, "[i]f anyone living today is descended from Jesus, so are most of us on the planet." | 14:28 | |
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| lichtkind_ | Tene: hejho | 18:28 | |
| Tene | hi | 18:29 | |
| zarah | hi Tene | ||
| lichtkind | Tene: im just back after some week anbd want know what happend (yes i read blogs) | 18:30 | |
| Tene | what happened with what? | 18:33 | |
| lichtkind | Tene: perl 6 developement | 18:34 | |
| Tene | Ah, um... dunno. >.> | ||
| pmichaud is working on his new grammar engine | 18:35 | ||
| lichtkind | Tene: that i heard , he rewrites pge, but i asked more about what your involved in :) | ||
| Tene | lots of work on parrot infrastructure; not so much on Rakudo | ||
| Oh, me? | |||
| I've been working on plumage, mainly. | |||
| The module repo for Parrot. | |||
| I got some SQL libs working for masak to use in his ORM | 18:36 | ||
| Need to get them installable from plumage, 'cos all unnecessary libs need ot be out of the Parrot repo real soon now | 18:37 | ||
| lichtkind | Tene: so plumage is something different than cpan6 | 18:40 | |
| Tene | It's... well... | 18:41 | |
| There's been a lot of talk, and I mean a *lot* of talk, over the years about different module systems and cpan6 anc 6pan and other acronyms and bar bar bar bar bar | |||
| plumage is "Okay, let's stop talking and actually *implement* something, dammit" | 18:42 | ||
| It's going to be at least the module installation utility for Parrot. | |||
| Other HLLs might or might not implement their own separate systems for hll libs. | 18:43 | ||
| I don't know if plumage aspires to include HLL libs or not, but I suspect it does. | |||
| lichtkind | Tene: sound great, i supposed to be something like that, but a thought 6pan had extensive implementation since years | 19:18 | |
| but its your turn anyway | |||
| Tene: thanks a lot for the answers | 19:25 | ||
| Tene: i just want to keep on writing in novemnber | |||
| Tene | lichtkind: looks like plumage would be used to install rakudo itself, but not perl 6 modules. | 19:54 | |
| lichtkind: I've never seen 6pan, or seen rakudo people talk about it, or use it. | |||
| lichtkind | Tene: yeah its from overmeer but he ahs very outreaching plans and fiddeling since years on it with all needs of parrot in mind from the start | 19:55 | |
| Tene: will go to bed seeya | 19:57 | ||
| goodnight | |||
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