2009 -- the year of November. <november-wiki.org> <github.com/viklund/november> <irclog.perlgeek.de/november-wiki> <nopaste.snit.ch>
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ihrd HAI 07:07
masak OH HAI 07:08
zarah masak: where have you been? I've been worried.
masak zarah: sleeping.
zarah masak: eh... wha'?
masak humans sleep.
ihrd )
I think we should select one thrid app
masak me too. 07:09
ihrd and pate bi looks good for me
masak I'll change the text to that effect.
ihrd tane: hi, do you like select paste bin as our third app?
masak Tene: ping
ihrd I doing changes right now
masak ihrd: oh, you're editing.
ihrd yes 07:10
masak let me know when you're done.
ihrd yes, and check my changes plz
masak sure.
ihrd done 07:14
masak looking.
I'm desperately looking for an alternative name to Web::Tags... 07:15
...but not finding anyone.
Web::Elements sounds not as good.
ihrd: should we write 'the pastebin'? just as we cannot promise that the Web framework will be the framework for web development, we cannot promise that our pastebin will be _the_ pastebin... 07:16
ihrd mb something like proof-of-concept 07:18
masak ihrd: with "Ilya start Maya project too.", you mean "Ilya has started developing Maya, too.", yes? ordinarily I wouldn't ask for clarification in this case, but since this is an application...
ihrd yes :)
masak ihrd: ok, changing it to that.
I added "with color coding". 07:19
ihrd ok
masak ok, done. 07:21
Tene masak: pong 07:28
ihrd hi Tene
masak Tene: what ihrd said.
Tene hi 07:29
zarah privet Tene
masak ok, can I send it now?
I'll cc everyone.
ihrd I am agree
Tene Go ahead.
masak goes ahead
moritz_ so how are things in November land? 07:36
masak moritz_: stable, again.
moritz_: I'm attempting to throw together ul list parsing, so that the main page will not look so bad.
moritz_: so far, the only success I'm achieving is in finding Rakudo bugs. 07:37
moritz_ ;-/
masak: speaking of the frontpage, the &mdash; thing is now replaced by —
masak oh! 07:38
masak looks
aw, fail.
we don't declare encoding on our pages, either. 07:39
moritz_ that is a a FAIL indeed
masak :/ 07:40
moritz_ well, you do in the header
that's enough
it just seems wrong ;)
wget -S www.november-wiki.org/
...
Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1
masak ah, that's wrong.
moritz_ I guess you really server utf-8 instead?
masak we're supposed to be utf-8 all the way.
masak goes looking for the header. 07:41
funny, we _send_ 'Content-Type: text/html' 07:42
nothing more.
moritz_ ah, maybe CGI.pm or Apache change that on the fly 07:43
masak moritz_: you can rule out CGI.pm :)
we wrote it.
moritz_ oh right ;-)
masak we should just give the encoding explicitly somewhere, I guess. 07:44
either in the HTTP header or in the HTML header
moritz_ in the HTTP header please
(out of band signalling)++
masak Tene, ihrd: I'm squeezing the proposal into the Pod template right now. will send soon.
moritz_: yes, that's probably nicer. 07:45
moritz_: easiest thing is probably to try just to specify the encoding.
will do that after sending this here proposal.
quick POD question: if I have a list in a list, and the first one is '=over 1', do I make the second one '=over 1' or '=over 2'? Guessing the former. 07:47
moritz_ the former, I think 07:48
Tene I always just use '=over' on its own.
masak ok.
the template asked "How soon can you start?". I'm writing "We can start in February." 07:52
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masak Tene_: now there's two of you. 07:55
Tene_ so it seems. 07:56
masak ok. done podding. should I paste it somewhere or just send it? 07:57
Tene_ I vote just send.
masak hokay. let's see if I can find the address. 07:58
ah. tpf-proposals@perl-foundation.org
...and she's airborne. 08:00
congratulations, people. good work.
ok, back to the encoding problem. 08:07
ihrd so just <meta content="text/html; charset=utf-8" http-equiv="Content-Type" /> 08:25
in head
I will do that in Autumn 08:26
moritz_ ihrd: it's better to specify it in the http header :-)
masak I don't see the harm in specifying it in both places. 08:27
then people downloading the file will have a chance at seeing it properly rendered as well.
moritz_ ok, good point 08:28
masak ihrd: if you do it in Autumn, please do it in CleanAndSoft as well.
meanwhile, I'll fix the HTTP header.
ihrd ok 08:29
masak ihrd++
I'm getting a Null PMC access when running ./test_wiki.sh
that's on a clean master.
Rakudo r35994. 08:30
g'ah!
masak hates regressions
ihrd I will work with november tiommorow night. 08:37
masak sounds good. 08:38
so will viklund++ and I, methinks.
hm, 'make' fails here. 08:41
however, if I make all the .pir files individually, saving November.pir for last, it works.
should that happen?
moritz_ masak: it probably means that some things don't work well with precompiled modules 08:42
masak moritz_: i.e., a rakudobug?
moritz_ masak: aye, that's my guess 08:43
masak will try to boil it down to something reasonable
heh, November.pm _shouldn't_ compile, by the current rules adhered to by Rakudo. 08:46
it says 'class November does Session' on the first line, and 'use Session' on line 8. :) 08:47
fixing.
ihrd ugh 08:55
about propousal
> say 1320+1100+550
2970 08:56
heh
masak haha :)
we want money, but we can't count.
ihrd so 30$ for after-garnt-party
masak I guess. :) 08:57
the first intercontinental after-grant-party in world history.
ihrd not first I think 08:58
masak first of its kind, then. :P 08:59
ok, so it turns out that November.pir cannot be make-d without Dispatcher.pir and November/Storage/File.pir being make-d first. 09:33
bonus points to anyone who figures out what these two files have in common that the other ones imported by November.pm don't. 09:34
hm, they both use the abominable first-line syntax. :)
changing to see if that helps.
as I said before, 'class November::Storage::File is November::Storage;' shouldn't work. 09:35
ok, make November.pir now works. 09:38
also putting November.pm last among the things we build. 09:40
yay! and I managed to create a small test case of the insanity in question. :) 09:44
ihrd masak++ 09:52
I done first workable Web::Template 09:53
It lives in Maya repo for now
github.com/ihrd/maya/tree/master
zarah ihrd's link is also tinyurl.com/cvsqvo
masak I really gotta check out Maya in earnest.
will try to do that this week. 09:54
ihrd so this is just first scetch
okay 09:55
what about set up web repo on github?
masak ihrd: I'll do that now.
github.com/masak/web/ 09:59
Tene_, ihrd: I'll see if I can add you two as committers also.
Tene_: are you Tene at github? 10:00
moritz_ we need some packaging for Perl 6 modules, very badly
masak seems he is.
moritz_: I've been thinking the same thing.
moritz_: one of these days I'll be throwing together something on github. 10:01
an automatic installer of some sort.
ihrd, Tene_: added.
241 new/open tickets in RT! 10:04
I should slow down a bit. 10:05
ihrd :) 10:24
masak: I add encoding header 10:26
masak ihrd: in Autumn? yes, I saw that. thanks. 10:27
ihrd to CleanAndSoft
I found you use header.html, adn add to it
masak oh, excellent. 10:28
viklund++ ihrd++
ihrd but I think put unclouse tags in one tmpl is bad idea
masak unclose?
oh, unclosed? yes, me too.
ihrd yes, unclosed 10:29
masak which one were you thinking of? meta?
ihrd I men in one template all tags opemed should be closed
s/men/mean/ 10:30
masak ok.
why?
ihrd using wrappers
masak I'm not sure I understand.
ihrd <html> 10:32
<head>
...
</head>
<body>
[% content %]
</body>
</html>
we use text templater, but be xml-aware still good idea
masak but we aren't xml aware. 10:33
I'm not sure I see anything wrong with having unbalanced tags in HTML::Template.
ihrd in your head you can be xml-aware :)
masak you mean you like to have that as an ideal? fair enough.
but as far as I know, we cannot do like you suggest above. 10:34
HTML::Template cannot wrap things like that.
moritz_ if you want to be XML aware, take a look at XML::Seamstress or something similar
masak moritz_: ok, will have a look.
ihrd 1) editor with html highlite can notice every time when you open this tmpl
2) it harder to understand 10:35
moritz_ it's by far not my preferred way of templating, but others like it
ihrd yes HTML::Template is ugly
moritz_ (seamstress, that is) 10:36
ihrd Yes, I have use it in one old project 10:37
masak ihrd: I'm disinclined to change the templates in November in any big way right now. better to wait until we have something in Web that we can use.
ihrd masak: agree
masak: I just noticed that, I do not want to change it right now to 10:38
masak ihrd: I'm glad you value purity. I do too.
HTML::Template is quite far from my idea of purity. 10:39
but it works for us in the short run.
ihrd yes 10:42
I tring to find substitution for p5 AUTOLOAD, but fall 11:20
mb I just do not know new name of some feture 11:21
moritz_, can you help me? 11:22
moritz_ ihrd: it's documented in either S06 or S12 (search for AUTODEF), but I don't think it's implemented yet 11:23
ihrd thank you!
moritz_ yw 11:25
ihrd S13
moritz_ ah, close miss :/
ihrd and, ye sadly this is not implemented yet 11:28
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masak @tell ihrd there's a test failure in t/dispatcher/02-add_rules.t 13:25
zarah Consider it noted.
moritz_ do you still prototype new features in p5w? 14:10
masak depends on what you mean.
it's been a long time since I did, but OTOH some features in p5w still haven't been ported to p6w. 14:11
features that I still intend to port, that is.
moritz_ ok, but if you invent new features, do you go to p5w first?
masak moritz_: good question. I don't know. 14:12
perhaps.
not with the parser stuff, because it's too much work to do in p5w.
but the new skin was prototyped in p5w first.
moritz_ I guess that answers my question, thanks 14:13
masak are you writing a tidings post? :)
moritz_ no, I'm wasting the time that I should use for my diploma thesis 14:14
masak :P
moritz_ hey, I already did one for January
masak ok, I should focus on giving you material for February, then. :)
moritz_ aye 14:15
by improving S29 and u4x
masak ...in that order.
moritz_ :)
Tene_ zarah: tell ihrd that I am at github 17:48
zarah Consider it noted.
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