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2009 -- the year of November. <november-wiki.org> <github.com/viklund/november> <irclog.perlgeek.de/november-wiki> <nopaste.snit.ch> Set by moderator on 7 April 2009. |
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| eiro | hello | 19:54 | |
| zarah | saluton eiro | ||
| masak | eiro: oh hai :) | ||
| eiro | hey masak :-) | ||
| masak | eiro: that's zarah, our local bot. | ||
| eiro | i just read your answer and jumped here | 19:55 | |
| perl6 one ? | |||
| masak | written in POE, but might some day be ported to Perl 6. | ||
| she's a smart girl. | 19:56 | ||
| zarah: you're a smart girl. | |||
| zarah | masak: But we _can't_ go on meeting like this! Over. | ||
| masak | :) | ||
| eiro | a point is that: i don't want to reinvent the wheel: every ILS are based on old formats and my attempt is to use FRBR as base. FRBR is well documented but only exists on the paper. I want it to be real :) | 19:57 | |
| masak | ok. | ||
| well, there's no need to reinvent wheels that are known to work. :) | |||
| we build Web.pm on known-to-work technologies, for example. | 19:58 | ||
| eiro | sure ... that's the case: koha works well :) | ||
| masak | and November is a very ordinary wiki, thus far. | ||
| eiro: so why rewrite it? | |||
| eiro | first because it's more and more hard to hack: koha works well but is based on a poor design and very bad coding styles | 19:59 | |
| second because there is no ILS that can be FRBR ready for the moment! | 20:00 | ||
| :) | |||
| masak | ah. so whereas koha works well, it might prove to be a dead end for some needed developments. | 20:02 | |
| sounds a bit like Perl 5 actually. | |||
| eiro | good catch! it's like perl5 :) | 20:04 | |
| (i never noticed before) | |||
| PerlJam | what are ILS and FRBR? | 20:05 | |
| masak | Integrated Library System, right? | ||
| I had to look it up too. | |||
| eiro | en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integrated_library_system | ||
| zarah | eiro's link is also tinyurl.com/s9v5v | ||
| PerlJam | and then FRBR makes sense now I guess. | ||
| (based on my googling) | 20:06 | ||
| masak | what is it? | ||
| PerlJam | functional requirements for bibliographic reference | ||
| eiro | FRBR describe what to store and how to store informations about intellectual contents | 20:07 | |
| and items you can find in your library | |||
| that curent format is MARC ... it comes with: | |||
| - limitations from stoneage | 20:08 | ||
| masak | FRBR sounds like a good fit for a Perl 6 module. | ||
| eiro | - stupid serialisation system | ||
| - lot of local dialects | |||
| i mean : it's hell to import/export informations through ILSs | 20:09 | ||
| masak, that's my goal: provide UML diagram of FRBR objects | 20:10 | ||
| implement it in perl6 | |||
| some coworkers will try the same in python .... i don't want python to enter into the koha mindshare | 20:11 | ||
| PerlJam | If lathos' work with SQLite is exposed through rakudo, it sounds like you can build a simple ILS fairly easily. :) | ||
| masak | I wish you the best of luck on your quest. | ||
| eiro | but we have to deal with poor skilled develppers and i have to admit that perl5 is too hard | ||
| perl6 comes here to fight python | 20:12 | ||
| masak | I would recommend getting something super-simple to run fairly soon, and then build from that. | ||
| I don't care much for language wars. | |||
| eiro | i do :) | ||
| PerlJam | Hmm. KohaCon is in pmichaud's town in a few days. | 20:13 | |
| eiro | oh ... then it would be cool to meet him | 20:14 | |
| (but i don't go there :( a coworker does) | 20:15 | ||
| (the python's one) ... | |||
| PerlJam | eiro: except he'll be at NPW at that time. | ||
| masak | ok, I'm heading offlinewards now. want to get some slidework done for NPW. | ||
| eiro | damnit ! | ||
| masak | eiro: nice to see you here on #november-wiki. hope to hear more about your ILS plans. | 20:16 | |
| masak pulls plug | |||
| eiro | :-) | 20:17 | |
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| Tene going to dive into http::daemon tonight | 23:24 | ||
| finally found a coffee shop with wifi to get updates | |||