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masak ruoso++ # github.com/ruoso/faz/tree/master 08:56
zarah masak's link is also tinyurl.com/dhfa3l
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ruoso masak, btw... what did you think about the Faz thing? 14:05
masak ruoso: I think it's cool what you're doing.
what were the Rakudo issues you encountered?
ruoso basically...
masak ruoso: want me to add you to proto's list of projects?
ruoso 1 - no contextual variables
2 - no closures in regexes 14:06
masak, that would be nice
masak are contextual variables those that look $*like-this?
ruoso: the latter is at least partially workaroundable, with PIR closures.
ruoso masak, do you know how to access Perl 6 lexical from PIR closures? 14:07
masak ruoso: no, but it's a perfect question for jnthn or pmichaud.
moritz_ find_lex
ruoso: there are examples in the setting library
ruoso has no PIR skills at all 14:09
moritz_ it's a bit like assembler with a huge library that you wouldn't expect from assembler :-) 14:10
masak indeed.
masak just had a git conflict, and loved it 14:11
I think git is getting to my head.
even conflicts are lovely nowadays.
moritz_ git-rerere is also nice
masak rerere? 14:12
oh, nice!
moritz_ git-rerere - Reuse recorded resolution of conflicted merges
and the nicest thing about it is that you don't need to call it yourself
masak that _is_ nice. 14:13
moritz_ you just need to enable it once
masak ruoso: added faz to projects.list in proto, and added you as a proto committer. 14:16
proto now has 12 committers. :) 14:17
ruoso would you like a commit bit in faz?
masak sure, why not?
ruoso how do I add you? 14:18
masak there's an Admin button to the far right. 14:19
my user name is 'masak' on github.
ruoso hah... 14:20
github site doesn't work with different font resolutions
masak I'm sure they'd appreciate hearing that.
ruoso the admin link was hidden...
done 14:21
masak gracias. 14:22
Tene ruoso: find_lex 15:21
$P0 = find_lex '$foo'
you were asking about lexicals from PIR?
ruoso Tene, I need / foo { make $bar } / to work 15:40
pmichaud already told me PGE doesn't handle Perl 6 in the closures
Tene, would a PIR code inside that regex be able to find $bar from Perl 6
moritz_ just try it? 15:41
masak ruoso: yes.
ruoso: that's what Tene's code does.
(except with $foo, not with $bar) :)
ruoso how is the syntax for a PIR closure inside a regex? 15:42
moritz_ {{...}} IIRC
masak nod. 15:43
ruoso hmm... it doesn't seem to work... 15:50
find_lex doesn't seem to be looking in the Perl 6 lexical scope 15:51
masak ruoso: there are examples of it doing this in Any-list.pm and Num.pm in src/setting in the Rakudo source tree. 15:52
ruoso masak, not inside a regex 15:53
masak ruoso: ah.
right, that might indeed be different.
sounds like material for a rakudobug, though. 15:54
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ruoso @tell masak It Works! github.com/ruoso/faz/blob/14007bce9...example.pl 19:48
zarah ruoso's link is also tinyurl.com/dzs8n5
Consider it noted.
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masak zarah: any messages for me? :) 20:23
zarah masak: you've just exceeded my capabilities :/
masak: You have new messages. Write '/msg zarah @messages' to read them.
masak @massage
zarah masak: 34 m 55 s ago, ruoso said It Works! github.com/ruoso/faz/blob/14007bce9...example.pl
masak \\o/
masak pulls
ruoso and pmichaud said contextual variables should be workign by friday
masak sounds promising. 20:24
ruoso we then just need an easy way to declare those
masak ruoso: could you explain to me in a few short sentences what contextual variables do for us in this context. 20:26
Tene context vars by friday?
nice!
I can fix Tags to not be singleton anymore. :D
ruoso transient information will be seen by contextual variables 20:27
which means you don't need to be sending it back and forth
for instance...
$request
inside an action, you might need to talk to to the request or response objects, rigth?
moritz_ Tene: also jnthn made identifiers with colonpairs parse in rakudo...
ruoso masak, so, you just use $*request 20:28
and $*response
as well as $*application
and $*action
$*session as well 20:29
Tene moritz_: orly? foo:bar<baz> ?
moritz_ Tene: ORLY
Tene sweet
moritz_ rakudo: module A:ver<bar> { say "alive" }
p6eval rakudo ee7d45: OUTPUT«alive␤»
Tene I'll see what I can do about getting traits up to spec
ARGH too much going on at once.
masak 'transient information' -- do I interpret this correctly as "information needed by multiple subs and methods, but which would be cumbersome to pass around as params"? 20:30
sorry, my connection is a bit flaky here.
I think it sounds like the right thing.
contextual vars seem to be another of those things that can be misused. but this feels like what they should be used for.
Tene++ # courage
Tene courage?
ruoso yes... variables that represent the current context
masak Tene: or whatever quality is needed to get through 'interesting' times. :)
Tene ah
masak 德 is probably the word I was looking for. 20:31
'doughtiness'
ruoso masak, do you think Faz fits together with Web.pm? 20:33
masak ruoso: haven't looked closely at it yet. but in my opinion, we'd better make it fit with Web.pm :)
would be kind of a shame otherwise.
ruoso basically... all Faz expects is to receive a request and response object as params 20:34
(but it even defaults to get them as contextual vars if you don't send it)
it does that without strong typing
so you just need to provide a request object that can .uri and this uri must can .path 20:35
and path must be something that can be smartmatched with a regex
masak ruoso: basically, you're the first person who implements something on top of Web.pm
in a sense, our first client.
ruoso: I'll definitely have a look at it during the week.
ruoso: ihrd keeps having requests similar to those you just expressed. 20:36
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