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2009 -- the year of November. <november-wiki.org> <github.com/viklund/november> <irclog.perlgeek.de/november-wiki> <nopaste.snit.ch> Set by moderator on 27 May 2009. |
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| viklund_ | how do you like the utf8 handling? | 11:32 | |
| it's a pitty we can't use subst, or concatenation... | |||
| masak... | |||
| masak perks up | |||
| we can't? | |||
| viklund_ | no, that's the parrot bug | 11:33 | |
| masak | because of the Parrot bug? | ||
| ah, ok. | |||
| viklund_ | yep | ||
| masak | but people are fixing it, right? | ||
| viklund_ | masak: yes | ||
| masak | good. | ||
| viklund_ | so I write an array to a file (because the output layer knows how to convert from latin-1 to utf8) | ||
| masak | viklund_++ | ||
| that's a nice solution. | 11:34 | ||
| hijacking the file I/O for encoding. | |||
| viklund_ | pmichaud++ called it a nasty hack in #parrot | ||
| masak | um, transcoding. | ||
| well, it is. | |||
| viklund_ | it's not nasty | ||
| masak | still, probably the best we can do. | ||
| very much in the spirit of the rest of the November project. :) | |||
| viklund_ | or, rather, we did nastier things with rakudo last summer | 11:35 | |
| I want to write an IRC-bot in p6 that reports commits from github | |||
| masak | viklund_: good idea. just make it really non-intrusive. | 11:36 | |
| viklund_ | smth like dalek I thought | ||
| masak | 'Matt-W pushed to github.com/Matt-W/Form' | ||
| something like that. | |||
| zarah | masak's link is also tinyurl.com/ndyqu5 | ||
| masak | I think individual commit messages might be a bit too verbose for all of github's Perl 6 projects. | 11:37 | |
| viklund_ | anyway, now Alva and I am going out | ||
| masak | enjoy the outside! | ||
| viklund_ | /afk | ||
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| lichtkind | moin | 13:29 | |
| zarah | privet lichtkind | ||
| lichtkind | hello zarah | ||
| viklund: why ther is fixed width | 13:30 | ||
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| viklund | lichtkind: fixed width? | 13:41 | |
| lichtkind | viklund THE TEXTAREA of november has fixed width | ||
| viklund checks | 13:42 | ||
| lichtkind: do you have any problems with that? | 13:43 | ||
| viklund checks on his bigger screen | 13:44 | ||
| lichtkind | its sometimes not practicel when topic "Articles with tag "november" " needes 3 lines | ||
| and articles are longer then needed even if it has a stylish plus | |||
| viklund | ah, I thought you meant the <textarea>, not the central column | 13:45 | |
| lichtkind | yes the column | ||
| viklund | One solution woud be to make the text smaller as well... | 13:46 | |
| anyway, that's a design issue, masak is in charge of the skins, I only fix bugs in them | 13:47 | ||
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| lichtkind | good | 13:53 | |
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| lichtkind | viklund: what excites you about perl 6 | 21:30 | |
| viklund | lichtkind: everything | 23:02 | |
| lichtkind | hm? | ||
| viklund | the grammar engine is high up there | ||
| lichtkind | prettymuch | ||
| viklund | uhm, gather/take is amazing | ||
| lichtkind | the new rx syntax you mean? | 23:03 | |
| viklund | a real OO environment | ||
| not engine | |||
| the entire grammar system | |||
| how parsing has entered the next level with that enhancement | |||
| hypers are pretty convenient. | 23:04 | ||
| lichtkind | im currently starting a nov page about the p6 interpreter | ||
| viklund | oh, calling $s>>.method is cool too | ||
| lichtkind | i first dezentralize the content before writing a new welcome page | ||
| viklund | like <a b c d>>>.uc | ||
| lichtkind | you mean @s>>.method? | 23:05 | |
| viklund | lichtkind: maybe you should keep the first page very much as it is for the moment | ||
| lichtkind: yes, that too | |||
| lichtkind | why hyper in $s>>.method if in $s is only one object | 23:11 | |
| viklund no stress it will need bit time but the current welcome page has some disadvantages | 23:12 | ||
| viklund | my $s = <a b c d>; say $s>>.uc | 23:20 | |
| or even my $s = <a b c d>; $s>>.uc>>.perl>>.say | 23:21 | ||
| lichtkind | f cource but thats how i understood it i thought i overlooked something | ||
| viklund: you werent arounf when we set some goals for the november wontent | |||
| better i intiate you in that plan | 23:22 | ||
| viklund | ahh | ||
| who are we? | 23:23 | ||
| lichtkind | masak mberens and i :) | 23:27 | |
| viklund | ok | 23:29 | |
| lichtkind | viklund: when i tried second edit this page locked november-wiki.org/view/Perl_6_Interpreter | 23:32 | |
| zarah | lichtkind's link is also tinyurl.com/lz4hmw | ||
| lichtkind | Internal Server Error | ||
| i think my biggest challenge is now to have no preview button | |||
| viklund: the plan for november was to have en newbie friendly entry point into the perl 6 worl | 23:34 | ||
| where everything important is explained simply in shot sentences | |||
| and linked to where real action is | |||
| because tpf wiki is somewhat unapproiachable by beginners | |||
| it more data marketplace | 23:35 | ||
| for perl 6 people themself | |||
| i created nearly the whole perl namespace in german wikipedia | |||
| so i have little bit xp in something like that | 23:36 | ||
| also written 8 part perl 6 tut in german for $foo :) | |||
| viklund: there is another bug still present i once reported | 23:37 | ||
| viklund | lichtkind: did you put newlines at the end of the text again ;) | ||
| lichtkind | the link on the perl 6 tag produces^november-wiki.org/all?tag=perl+%20+6 | ||
| zarah | lichtkind's link is also tinyurl.com/l4ls3l | ||
| lichtkind | viklund it might be isnt that already fixed? | 23:38 | |
| yes i did because this article ist finished | |||
| viklund | but it crashes if you do ;) | 23:39 | |
| maybe I should add som chomping... | |||
| lichtkind | there is no reason that it crashes :) | 23:40 | |
| viklund | it is | ||
| lichtkind | no good one :) | ||
| viklund | anyway, the tags are not a high priority yet | ||
| lichtkind | of course | ||
| are you like that goal for november? | |||
| viklund | I didn't understand your question | 23:42 | |
| lichtkind: now you can end a page with newlines if you want... | 23:43 | ||
| lichtkind | thank you very much | ||
| its really fixed or workaround? | 23:44 | ||
| viklund | uhm, don't know really | 23:45 | |
| it works now | 23:46 | ||
| hard to classify that onw | |||
| one* | |||
| lichtkind | viklund have i know commit bit? | ||
| viklund | no, right, what was you github id? lichtkind?? | ||
| lichtkind | yes | ||
| viklund fixes | 23:47 | ||
| lichtkind | as you see in your request tracker | ||
| viklund | yes, I remembered when I pushed enter | ||
| lichtkind | :) | ||
| but whats important to me | |||
| whats your thought for my november conent vision | |||
| viklund | fixed | 23:48 | |
| none really, I just code ;) | |||
| lichtkind | i think its reasonable because rakudo is not too fast so we cant load too much text on it | 23:50 | |
| and so you have also nice cooperation with perl 6 tpf wiki without too much doubling | |||
| viklund | its no problem having lots of text really, we cache the parsed text | 23:51 | |
| it only make *edits* slow ;) | 23:52 | ||
| since that's when we parse | |||
| lichtkind | then preview would help :) | 23:54 | |
| viklund | oh, that won't save you any time ;p | ||
| it still needs to be parsed ;) | |||
| lichtkind | no but shorten history | 23:55 | |
| viklund | ah | ||
| lichtkind | i think it would help perl 6 to have a nice beginner friendly intro | ||
| now whenrakudo becomes really usable | 23:56 | ||
| viklund | probably, yes | 23:57 | |
| lichtkind | so naovember can serve 2 purposes | 23:58 | |
| viklund | yes | 23:59 | |