2009 -- the year of November. <november-wiki.org> <github.com/viklund/november> <irclog.perlgeek.de/november-wiki> <nopaste.snit.ch>
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masak viklund: o/ 12:16
viklund masak: y0
masak viklund: look! masak.org/carl/druid/board-with-perspective.png 12:18
zarah masak's link is also tinyurl.com/mge66q
viklund is that the pic from your blog? 12:19
it's cool!
masak no, this one has proper perspective! :)
viklund is backlogging
ahh
mom
masak dad!
viklund COOL!
masak :)
see the difference? 12:20
viklund soon you have implemented proper rendering ;)
yes
masak yes, next step is to do the surface sorting.
I've almost answered my own questions about the surface removal, too.
viklund good 12:21
masak I've learned through this exercise that Perl 6's 'map' is really nice for vector manipulations. 12:22
the syntax is slightly clunky, but the semantics is wonderful.
viklund in the druid tree I guess
viklund pulls druid 12:23
masak yes, in bin/generate-board
I'll push the latest version now.
there, pushed.
viklund repulling... 12:24
masak really quite a small commit. 12:25
the surface sorting won't be.
viklund ;)
so return (list) doesn't work in rakudo ;) 12:26
masak correct. it's a Parrot limitation, I think. 12:27
'return' is a Parrot function.
viklund ok
masak but the restriction is really not that severe, since both [...].list and map { ... }, @array can be used as workarounds. 12:28
viklund why do you move the board around? 12:29
(translate3d)
ahh, to make the rotation work
masak yes, and the scaling. 12:30
and the second time, to move the board a bit away from the origin so the perspective won't be so glaring.
(that part of the code could really make some use of ==> ) 12:31
viklund yes
I was just going suggest that is't some kind of feed
masak maybe one could emulate it somehow.
viklund LISP! 12:32
masak er. 12:33
viklund func(1, 2, func2( 2, 3, func3(..))) 12:37
Alva intermission ;)
masak yes, but unlike ==> that is executed RTL, and I don't want that. 12:39
viklund yes 12:40
invent an operator
masak the thought crossed my mind. 12:42
but it seems more like a macro to me, since the operands aren't fully evaluated yet.
hm, 'course, I could send in &func and then a list of arguments...
viklund yes
masak yes, it could work. :)
rakudo: sub infix:<< ==> >>(@array, @func-and-params) { "OH HAI" }; say [1,2,3] ==> (&map, []) 12:45
p6eval rakudo 1b06df: OUTPUTĀ«sh: ./perl6: No such file or directoryā¤Ā»
masak anyway, that works.
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lichtkind masak: i filed again something 12:54
masak lichtkind: I'm sure you did. :) good work.
lichtkind masak: and the FAQ site is almost ready know, set some links too, slowly november gets content 12:55
masak well, november-wiki.org does.
lichtkind masak: ya naaa wadda mean :) 12:56
masak in this case, yes. 12:57
viklund: oh, and sorting of pieces is in now, too. :) 14:07
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eiro hello world 16:13
lichtkind hello eiro
eiro i don't know how to find the answer in the doc so i ask here: why every november code begins with use v6; ? 16:17
masak eiro: because they have to. 16:18
eiro masak, everything i've tested work without it
masak eiro: we try to follow the rules set up in the spec, and the spec says Perl 6 programs should have a 'use v6' declaration.
lichtkind masak: didn't you wanted to make the heading smaller? 16:19
and column wider :)
masak lichtkind: I did make the heading smaller.
lichtkind: anyone is free to make a new layout with a wider content column.
eiro masak, ok ... so if it's a good pratice, i'll follow ot
s/ot/it
masak eiro: I think it is.
eiro that's ok for me :) 16:20
masak eiro: the underlying reason is that implementations will eventually also run Perl 5 code. I think S01 explains it -- must check.
yup, S01:104.
ZuLuuuuuu masak: are you doing some design? may I look?
masak ZuLuuuuuu: sure. what exactly are we talking about? :) 16:21
lichtkind masak: i didn't notice because Perl 6 Interpreter still doesn tfit in one line
ZuLuuuuuu lichtkind: I did make the heading smaller.
[19:19] <masak> lichtkind: anyone is free to make a new layout with a wider content column.
masak ZuLuuuuuu: and from that you concluded that I'm doing some design?
ZuLuuuuuu hmm felt like you are talking about some css :) 16:22
eiro wow .. good catch masak! thanks
masak actually, it was the other way around, an invitation for others to do some design.
it would be great if November had a bunch of professional layouts to choose between. 16:23
I don't believe it's difficult to add a new design -- though I made the system, so I'm biased. it's certainly not documented in any real sense... but if anyone gives it a shot, do ask for guidance here. I'll happily provide it. 16:24
ZuLuuuuuu wish I had time, though I'm not professional, maybe at the and of the summer... 16:25
masak one doesn't need to be a professional to produce something professional-looking. :)
all that's needed is an eye for detail.
ZuLuuuuuu I agree :) 16:27
masak strange. #perl6 is quiet today, but we're at least four non-lurkers in here. :) 16:32
ZuLuuuuuu :)
masak I should wake people up in #perl6 with a golf challenge... :P
eiro masak, i'm trying to figure out what's the best way to write a conway sequence generator in perl6 16:39
i wrote this one for perl 5: fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Look_and_say#En_Perl5
zarah eiro's link is also tinyurl.com/n2p6ek
masak oh, that's a Conway sequence. 16:40
well, the Perl 5 example on the wiki can be quite easily translated to Perl 6. 16:41
I'll give it a shot.
lichtkind masak yesterday i was really busy, added 40~50 new entry in perl tablets some november vontent plus many more 16:42
masak lichtkind: cool.
eiro masak, yeah but it sux ( i can tell it because it's mine ;) ) because it generate strings ... look at the haskell's one! it's so neat!
i was trying to write something in the same spirit 16:43
lichtkind masak: and these 40 are in truth 80 because i do in 2 languages :)
masak: are you happy so far with the nov-wiki content?
masak lichtkind: to tell the truth, I'm happy with you using November. my happiness is already at full through that state of affairs. 16:44
dang, out-golfed by TimToady. :P 16:45
lichtkind masak: i got several #perl6 folks to suggest things vor november content and mberens also fixes some quirks of mine yesterday 16:46
masak: FAQ and Implementations page are minimal but stable so far
masak eiro: writing a straight Perl 6 translation was harder than I thought. :/ 16:47
lichtkind masak: to me now most pressing missing feature are the internal links i have to rewrite as external 16:48
masak eiro: could you please propose this as a challenge on #perl6?
lichtkind: internal links don't work?
ouch.
lichtkind masak: only the simple ones
masak ...meaning...?
lichtkind masak [[that_works]]
masak ah, ok.
yes, that feels familiar. 16:49
lichtkind [[link_to_page|that dousnt]]
masak right.
lichtkind you cant relabel internal links
masak probably not very hard to fix, I think.
lichtkind i needed it twice so far
masak ok.
I'll see what I can do. :) 16:50
lichtkind that would be great
its already filed
masak excellent.
lichtkind++
lichtkind :)
delete page butto would be nice
masak: i also filed suggestion for navigation menu
masak lichtkind: do you think that anyone should be able to delete a page? 16:52
lichtkind masak: sometimes its necesarry if a page has to be renamed
masak lichtkind: well, 'Move' would be better in that case.
lichtkind yes that is even more helpfull since it autogenerates a foreward :) 16:53
masak exactly.
lichtkind but ni think november dont support forewarding yet
masak it doesn't.
lichtkind yes but with that working links and history i would be happy
if than tags with spaces in it work also it will be normal usable 16:54
ah and remove that... i file it :) 16:55
i added also new issue category in november github
masak ok. 16:57
lichtkind for more cosmetics 16:58
called visuals to seperate it from real coding things
masak sounds good. 17:00
lichtkind yes and has now 2 items :) 17:01
masak eiro: you have indirectly unearthed a rakudobug! :) 17:03
lichtkind masak: i also revamped some tpf wiki pages but parts are beyond repair so im glad to make it in november more implistic 17:04
masak nod.
lichtkind but as soon we have enough content we will replace the front page a bit: that will then say: this is november , perl 6 in action, there projects, docs and implementations all nicely linked and rest is up to user to click where he wants 17:06
masak ok. sounds good to me.
lichtkind great it could really make difference like pugs once 17:09
masak we can only hope.
lichtkind i do pray and get results :)
but i have a list of wishes more 17:10
the FAQ i could not nicely format yet
there was no way to indend
or make boxes
masak :/ 17:11
I have tests for dl-type lists. they're in t/markup/mediawiki/14-definition-lists.t 17:13
but right now I can't seem to run them manually. I get a strange error. investigating. 17:14
lichtkind dont worry we get this too but next week will i be away
masak good :) then viklund and I can reduce the issue count back to zero and give you a surprise when you come back. :) 17:15
ah, found the error. it was bit rot in Test::InputOutput. 17:18
no, we don't have definition lists yet. (and hence not indentation) 17:19
lichtkind good masak++ 17:29
eiro masak, cool :) 17:36
my modest contrib to this awsome project :)
masak eiro: but I got sidetracked from actually porting the one-liner. :)
lichtkind eiro: what you did? 17:37
masak eiro: at least now I know it's possible.
lichtkind: helpful grammar note: it's "what did you do?" in standard English.
eiro lichtkind, i don't know: masak knows :)
masak eiro asked me for a way to port a line of Perl 5 code, and I found and reported a rakudobug.
eiro argghh there is no doc for Web.pm isn't it ? 17:38
lichtkind masak: yes that was denglish
deutsch(german) + english
masak eiro: anything in particular I can help with?
viklund shouldn't that be "deulish"? 17:39
(perhaps deunglish)
lichtkind denglish flows better :) 17:40
eiro masak, no ... i wrote a kinda MARC::Record subset in perl6 and i would like tu write a web based marc record editor. i just don't know how to start :)
masak eiro: you're _exactly_ the target group for Web.pm :)
eiro: unfortunately, the documentation is lacking to the point of non-existent. 17:41
eiro: and even the example blog is slightly outdated.
eiro so what ? read the november code ?
viklund November doesn't use Web.m 17:42
masak yet.
eiro arghh ...
viklund Web.pm*
masak eiro: but read the blog code, fwiw.
eiro any clue so ?
masak I'll throw you a link.
eiro ok
i got it
:)
masak oh, good.
eiro: and... good luck!
I'd be extremely interested to hear about your progress. 17:43
eiro well ... you already told me that but i have to admit i have not enought time for it :( 17:44
lichtkind masak: but recent changes is good enough now since you see all changes not only last change of a site 17:45
masak eiro: we're all on restricted time budgets. that's a part of being an employed/studious person with lots of interests.
eiro my first attempt is to create a perl6 module to ease the creation of menus with plugins.jquery.com/project/mbMenu
zarah eiro's link is also tinyurl.com/c9dhvf
eiro masak, sure 17:46
masak and, now... food. 17:49
viklund dang 17:50
masak come back! Everything is forgiven! 17:51
;)
ah well
viklund hacks away at November
eiro also food ... beginning a familly evening ... cya all 17:56
lichtkind added concurrency commands to index 18:17
do you kno mberens real name? 18:56
viklund nope 19:05
martin perhaps...
though, that's a guess
lichtkind yes i think it was martin sounds very german amrtin berend 19:51
martin
ha almost completed newest article 21:20
viklund nice ;) 21:25
lichtkind viklund: it was the correction reading before printing, i wrote last part of the german 8 part perl 6 tutorial and my yearly update of the state of the perl 6 :) 21:32
viklund: see it as groundwork to write good vovember articles :)
viklund great 21:50
lichtkind use.perl.org/~perl6doc/ 23:15
zarah lichtkind's link is also tinyurl.com/ntefeb
lichtkind good night

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