2009 -- the year of November. <november-wiki.org> <github.com/viklund/november> <irclog.perlgeek.de/november-wiki> <nopaste.snit.ch>
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masak viklund and I are doing a hackathon-con-carne today. 16:12
viklund no, it's hackathon-stroganoff
masak oh, right.
but stroganoff is a kind of carne, right? :) I mean, if you don't ask the European Union.
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viklund o/ lichtkind 17:42
lichtkind hello viklund
viklund: sunday i wrote by abstract for my YAPC talk 17:43
laszt section is abput november
masak lichtkind: we're having our bi-weekly Tuesday hackathon.
viklund nice
lichtkind masak: now? 17:44
masak yes, right now.
lichtkind thats grat my wishlist is short, fix tags and links please 17:45
masak will do. 17:46
I think I'll concentrate on the MediaWiki markup, since that's my baby. 17:47
viklund I'll add hashed passwords 17:49
lichtkind viklund: what you man by that
viklund currently we store passwords as plaintext in a file on the server 17:50
"We are not impressed"
masak nor amused.
lichtkind masak: i filed both issues so you know what i mean 17:51
i currently have to proof read something but can also add a page to november wiki 17:52
my todo foe today is add filetest opps to index
viklund lichtkind: good work
lichtkind viklund: its not yet done :)
masak lichtkind: good partial work. 17:53
lichtkind haha
but im really grad heres hackthon s there will be more action than in #perlde :) 17:54
masak of course!
when we have hackathons, there's more action than in many Marvel film adaptions. 17:55
lichtkind hahah 17:57
masak i wanted to start now :)
but i join you as an english hacker
masak so go ahead.
lichtkind: so you hack the English language?
is it a DDOS of some kind? :P 17:58
lichtkind masak: haha no hacking in english rather than in PIR, aufrey once called people who write docs english hacker and i like the term
masak we don't hack in PIR either.
we hack in Perl 6.
lichtkind you mean NQP? 17:59
masak no, real, honest-to-God Perl 6.
like, the real thing.
(only it's not done yet, of course. but still.)
but it's not Not Quite Perl. it's quite Perly already. :) 18:00
lichtkind ah yes 18:01
yeah i gt my books now one of them i thought was out of print :) 18:08
viklund what books? 18:14
masak mm, books. 18:16
lichtkind books i bought over internet 18:25
du you know: sub rand { return 4 } #made of a decent dice role :) 18:26
viklund lichtkind: no it's supposed to be
masak yes, 4 is very random.
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viklund sub rand { return 4; #{ guaranteed to be random, confirmed by rolling a die }} 18:27
or something like that
lichtkind masak: you look bit like a friend i had in school 18:32
masak lichtkind: I feel sorry for him. :)
lichtkind why you dont look bad 18:33
masak no, but I do bad jokes.
lichtkind can't believ how i stepped into perl world so fast first i talked ta frankfurt,pm than at larger meeting, then german perl workshop, than YAPC, netx i will gice complete wxperl workshop on my own :) 18:42
es some would call in drinkin beer and hangin in the woods :) 18:43
now go watsching a glacier melting github.com/viklund/november/issues :) 18:49
zarah lichtkind's link is also tinyurl.com/q77dpu
masak lichtkind: are you complaining about our speed? :) 18:51
lichtkind no that was a german bad joke :)
masak lichtkind: are you also a conspiracy nut? 18:52
viklund ... 18:53
lichtkind masak: yes i am and proud of it
masak lichtkind: so you should be!
lichtkind: not many people today take UFOs seriously enough.
lichtkind masak: even larry caleld be that way :)
masak Kal-El? 18:54
lichtkind masak: i currently prepare talk about that
ask me anything
Kal El?
viklund Kal-El?
masak lichtkind: what is your opinion about the remaining debris from Krypton?
lichtkind i mena called
masak: i thought you take that seriously?
masak I do. I actually possess some kryptonite. 18:55
it's in the form of a cross, so I can keep both Superman and Dracula away.
lichtkind i mean really serious :) 18:57
masak oh, sorry. :) I thought you meant the other kind.
lichtkind i found people stupif who lough about UFO but on the other side complain about politics of george bush 18:58
stupid
if we had that technology we dont would need oil
masak very true.
and the government is keeping all the cool tech.
lichtkind actually most governmanet has no clue about that 18:59
its compatmentalized in secret service special access project and by contractors 19:00
government
masak yes, figures.
lichtkind if anybody would ignore circumstance and just act on the base what he find right we wouldn't have most of the problems 19:01
most are bunch of crooks including obama 19:02
masak yeah, crooks. now where is that parsing bug hiding? 19:04
lichtkind masak: where you have seen that im conspiracy nut? 19:12
masak lichtkind: through the backlog.
lichtkind masak: you mean IRC log? 19:13
masak lichtkind: yes.
lichtkind ah 19:14
even my nickname is supposed to show people: i know you thinks its crazy but i believe in it what you gonna do ? :) 19:18
masak "light child", right? 19:19
lichtkind for folks who know subtle connotations of german :)
right
masak what are those subtle connotations?
lichtkind it has connotations to a kind of spirituality/okkultism
masak oh. 19:20
lichtkind masak: its far less special that poser like you to believe 19:22
masak yes, but it happens. apparently. 19:23
lichtkind what happens?
masak: magic is nothing that feeling, thoughts and some applied knowledge of nature
masak that posers like I believe.
lichtkind masak: thats pretty common that people who are unhappy with their current state try to deperate things that cant work 19:24
masak I guess it is.
lichtkind plain file mean simple file? 19:27
masak no, it most often means plain text.
lichtkind but in the sense otf the table i currently translating i suggest it means real file and no dir, socket whatever 19:29
spinclad is the subtle connotation that 'light child' means 'child of light'? 19:33
masak lichtkind: yes, in that sense, it does mean that.
lichtkind spinclad: no this connotation implies a relation to a subsulture that believe in light an love and are somewhat soft in talk and behaviour 19:35
masak believes in light and love 19:36
lichtkind masak: me too :)
spinclad too
lichtkind :)
viklund pfft, light...
lichtkind misspelling i ment subculture
viklund: loves darkness :)
spinclad so it's the next connotation that's a bit subtle, not just the first
lichtkind spinclad: what you mena? 19:37
mean
viklund no, light and dark just are, it's not something I believe in, I don't believe in the chair I'm sitting on either 19:38
masak I like light in the right amount. neither too dark nor too bright.
viklund darkness*
spinclad as the quakers speak of an 'inner light', and buddhists speak of 'radiant mind'
masak love, on the other hand, I don't see a necessity to limit in any way.
spinclad and 'illumination' is a generally shared subtlety 19:39
masak yes, that's something that can be reached.
just like 'enlightenment'. 19:40
lichtkind viklund: believe is an absent state of fear 19:41
spinclad me, i don't believe in believing 19:42
viklund lichtkind: I don't understand a word of that
masak viklund: or "I _believe_ I don't understand a word of that"... 19:43
lichtkind viklund: but i do thatswhy i tell so that we dont misunderstand
sorry 19:44
haha
masak laughs
lichtkind viklund: i said that believing is the absent of fear
masak lichtkind: actually, I'm not sure I understand that statement either. 19:45
would that mean that only fearless people have beliefs?
that sounds wrong, somehow.
lichtkind masak: i mean absence,
masak: yes
masak: why ?
spinclad i could say that letting go of belief is letting go of fear, but nobody would understand me either
masak lichtkind: because I know many fearful people who believe. 19:46
lichtkind spinclad: i understand what you say
masak spinclad: I understand that better, at least.
lichtkind its true that church exploited fears of people and called that believe
but believe in the sense real master use is something opposite
viklund bah, humbug! 19:48
masak lichtkind: viklund, you see, is a skeptic. :) 19:50
lichtkind viklund: god gave you freedom to believe what you choose :)
spinclad i think i believe in this chair in such a sense; i don't have to believe in it, i just sit in it.
masak it takes a certain amount of humour to include atheists in your creation. :)
lichtkind spinclad: thats the point and when im connected to my soul or god that i experience it i dont need to "believe" just communicate :) 19:51
spinclad chair and body take care of eachself and eachother
lichtkind spinclad: that i dont understand :) 19:52
masak: i like atheist
masak: i just go around people who are that heatless that they yell at people only because they dont share there view
heartless 19:53
spinclad the fields making up chair and body take care of themselves; the world manages itself; my 'self' doesn't have to manage the world.
masak lichtkind: that's shortsighted of them. there are so many views, and a person can only hold one of them, a few at most. 19:54
lichtkind spinclad: true
lichtkind finished to translate the table of filetest op 19:55
spinclad 'views are countless, having views unavoidable, i vow to let go of them all'
masak spinclad: good luck. :)
spinclad 'having dropped all views, they will no longer impede the hackathon'
lichtkind spinclad: i understand but view often is nothing than remembering of your experience 19:56
yes i want to say also lets get something done 19:58
i have reached my first point wiki.perl-community.de/cgi-bin/fosw...operatoren
zarah lichtkind's link is also tinyurl.com/l537br
lichtkind thats 18 ops * 2 languages, lot of work :) 19:59
spinclad bids 'happy hacking' & 20:01
masak thanks, spinclad. 20:04
lichtkind masak: do you plan to remove that back too link? 20:17
masak lichtkind: I certainly wouldn't oppose it.
lichtkind masak: like you said in the top line should only be log out 20:18
and when log in maybe an authors tool menu
masak: but I really liek how thinks improved since i came here 20:19
masak lichtkind: yes, and much thanks to you.
lichtkind++
lichtkind as much i like take credit, you both implemented it 20:20
first 4 fileops are in place 20:21
masak you provided the impetus. 20:22
lichtkind masak: and i see here really a opportunity to build a wiki that doesnt suck
masak lichtkind: yes, that would be a nice bonus of this work. 20:23
"November -- a wiki that doesn't suck"
lichtkind ahaha
lichtkind throws some chocolates in the round 20:24
i really have here a box , but need black technology to serve it through timespace :)
i mean spacetime
masak well, that clears it all up.
lichtkind according to einstein is timespace the realm there you have 3 time dimention and linear space 20:25
weird guy this einstein
spacetime is our reception: 3 space dimentions and one time 20:26
masak: masak but dont tell larry or he creates spacetime and timespace operator for perl 6 20:27
masak lichtkind: I think he knows about spacetime already.
he's quite well-read.
lichtkind were doomed perl 6 has to wait for real quantum computers :)
masak lichtkind: no, it doesn't. 20:28
lichtkind it wa a joke
masak oh. ah hah haa.
lichtkind but current quantum computers can make a squareroot in one step
of course in conspiracy terms IBM already build it 20 years ago 20:29
masak of course. 20:38
lichtkind masak: :) what really sucks on socialtext wiki is that you click on a word intuitively to select and then copy it but if you double click on it you go into edit mode 20:43
masak: thats insane most people want just read
masak lichtkind: haven't used socialtext much.
lichtkind masak: i have to 20:44
masak: be glad you dont just dont do that with november :) it drives me up the wall like spiderman 20:48
masak spiderman drives you up the wall?
lichtkind masak: :) no i go up the wall like spider man when socialtext goes unintenionally in edit mode 20:52
many people went crazy whe i announce to write english perl docs 20:53
but hej the don't here to help :)
masak why did they go crazy? 20:54
lichtkind masak: because im famous for my dislexia, at least in german perl community 20:55
masak lichtkind: aww. well, we like you anyway. :)
lichtkind thanks you
masak we're so glad -- to the point of giddiness -- to have a user.
lichtkind :) thats kind 20:56
masak lichtkind: I've fixed two bugs for you tonight.
lichtkind what is giddiness?
great what bugs?
so your finished?
masak lichtkind: giddiness is when you're so happy you're almost giggling.
lichtkind ah
masak lichtkind: bugs #16 and #14.
lichtkind part of your luck is that the treated me in wikipedia like shit that im not any longer there except for perl stuff 20:57
masak the first one caused crashes when there was an empty line at the end of an article.
the second one was the one with [[Spaces in links]]
lichtkind great
masak yes, I'm getting warmed up! :) 20:58
lichtkind could you also implement labeled links?
masak probably... is there a ticket for it? :)
lichtkind it is
masak \\o/
lichtkind i filed any issue i encountered
masak excellent. 20:59
lichtkind what decides if an issue is marked unread, when viklund reads it?
viklund yes, when I've read something it's read.
masak I think so too. 21:00
lichtkind of course its your repository
viklund no, seriously I think it is when you've read it yourself or smth
lichtkind masak: github.com/viklund/november/issues#issue/19
zarah lichtkind's link is also tinyurl.com/q77dpu
viklund my own issues gets marked as unread until I read them (which is quite strange)
lichtkind it is
masak mysterious.
viklund I mean, I created it, I should know whats there
lichtkind and qhy github say there are 21 unread but when opening that section 21:01
there are only 8
viklund ehm, are you looking at opened?
lichtkind viklund: no open say 9 and there are 9 21:02
but unread say 21
viklund and when you visit that you find 8?
lichtkind yes 21:03
viklund: i think i grok now the unread closed are counted but only in closed 21:04
yes i opened a closed ticket and have now only 20 unread 21:05
filetest ops ready on english side 21:27
madness 35 entry on char C allone 21:28
viklund ;)
lichtkind and there are 110 different operator symbols or meanings for them 21:30
but i think i now got most of them :)
perl 6 : dont go there without a map :) 21:32
viklund haha
lichtkind perl 6: what cs prof are to afraid to talk about 21:34
true the first was better 21:35
why is Script start time minus file modification time, in days positive ? 21:37
PerlJam lichtkind: because the script was started after it was last modified? 21:40
lichtkind PerlJam: so it could be nagytive? 21:41
negative 21:42
PerlJam it could.
lichtkind PerlJam: thank you very much, you helped improve p6 docs :) 21:43
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1 left :) 21:53
pipes are async? 21:57
done + explanation item 22:01
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