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dalek rrot: r48720 | jkeenan++ | trunk/t/codingstd/c_operator.t:
Applying patch submitted by GeJ++. While this does not display numbers of lines violating the standard, it does clearly display the lines themselves, thereby facilitating corrections.
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GeJ kid51++ 00:13
Thanks.
kid51 Paul_the_Greek: In your everyday, non-beach existence, are you able to run Parrot smoke tests on Win32? 00:17
Paul_the_Greek kid51: I have not tried it. Should I try it in the next day or two?
kid51 Well, let me explain why I'm asking ...
1. We are always short of testers on various Windows platforms. 00:18
2. Until we get our own Smolder server, we are whistling in the dark re much of our work, such as Win32.
3. I'm looking over old Trac tickets and noting that many of them are stalled because the patch needs testing on Win32. 00:19
So we need both regular smoke testing on Windows, as well as folks who can evaluate particular patches.
(or, at least, *test* particular patches) 00:20
speaking of which ...
whiteknight: How's your Win32 access these days?
whiteknight kid51: spotty. I can get on if needed. What's up? 00:21
kid51 see backscroll re need for testers on Windows
Paul_the_Greek I'd be happy to smoke test and test patches on Windows. I'm running 32-bit XP. 00:30
GeJ GeJ-- 00:31
for begging commiters to apply a patch on coding standards while the patch actually violates said standards.
Paul_the_Greek kid51: Are the instructions here correct? trac.parrot.org/parrot/wiki/SmokingParrot 00:34
whiteknight kid51: I'm busy trying to get Paul_The_Greek commit access, and probably going to bed shortly thereafter. If you could msg me the details about what's needed I will do it tomorrow 00:35
dalek TT #684 closed by jkeenan++: pgegrep needs tests 00:39
TT #684: trac.parrot.org/parrot/ticket/684
kid51 Paul_the_Greek: Those instructions would be correct *if* our Smolder system were working ... which it hasn't been for many weeks now. 00:55
It was donated to us; it wasn't running on Parrot.org.
I read that we are trying to get our own Smolder set up. 00:56
but, in meantime, it's mainly a question of running 'make test' on as many platforms as possible, as regularly as possible (preferably >=1/day)
And ISTR you saying you were working on a Win32 box. 00:57
Paul_the_Greek Yes, a 32-bit XP system.
kid51 So, as a first step, could you set up a cron job (or whatever it's called on windows), doing a fresh checkout, configure, make, make test once a day 00:58
(If and when we got a Smolder setup again, you would simply change that 'make test' to 'make smoke') 00:59
Paul_the_Greek Sure can. I'll start that tomorrow or Tuesday.
kid51 Paul_the_Greek++
Sooner or later, we need to go thru the open TTs and see which have comments to the effect of "If we could get this patch tested on Windows, we could close this ticket." 01:00
Coke whatever was done with paul's svn commit, his login email looks nothing like that of the other commiters. 01:12
aloha bacek asked me to tell you aloha now delivers messages on any event.
Paul_the_Greek asked me to tell you I tried to commit something today, but it appears I haven't been given commit privilege. Could you set that up?
dalek rrot: r48721 | Paul C. Anagnostopoulos++ | trunk (5 files):
find_lex no longer throws exception on undefined name
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rrot: r48722 | jkeenan++ | trunk/t/codingstd/c_operator.t:
[codingstd] Eliminate trailing whitespace.
Paul_the_Greek Coke: whiteknight has fixed me all up. I was a developer but not a committer. I just committed a change.
rrot: r48723 | jkeenan++ | trunk/t/codingstd/c_todo.t:
Have test output tell us how many TODOs, etc., remain.
Coke *(&^#$*() ok, the dual aloha-purl is now annoying. what's holding up just using aloha?
Paul_the_Greek: you're not all set yet, as you may have noticed your commit email hasn't shown up on list. 01:14
(unless you're not subscribed to it, in which case case you wouldn't have noticed. )
whiteknight that isn't automatic?
Coke no, he has to be whitelisted.
and his email came from "paul@osuosl.org", while everyone else's is from foo@svn.parrot.org 01:15
From: Paul@osuosl.org, C.Anagnostopoulos@svn.parrot.org 01:16
lemme guess. Space?
*sigh*. Ah well, I'll just whitelist whatever the address came through as and hope for the best.
done.
whiteknight okay. Coke++ 01:19
and now that all is right with the universe again, I'm going to sleep
Paul_the_Greek Interesting. Let's see how it goes.
whiteknight++ 01:20
whiteknight goodnight
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dalek kudo: 2ee5725 | colomon++ | src/core/Any-list.pm:
Escape { } in postcircumfix:<{ }> not defined message.
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dalek TT #1207 closed by Paul_the_Greek++: Non-existent lexical throws exception 01:29
TT #1207: trac.parrot.org/parrot/ticket/1207
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dalek TT #481 closed by Paul_the_Greek++: some basic math ops are missing 01:46
TT #481: trac.parrot.org/parrot/ticket/481
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bacek_at_work Coke, aloha isn't too reliable atm. Just because it's on my laptop at home. I have to find some kind of "hosting" for her. 02:30
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dafrito cotto, ping 03:28
cotto dafrito, pong 03:47
dafrito hows the plugin comin? I got back from my trip today and skimmed the commits 03:57
cotto not bad 04:04
still some features needed, but I've given up on the idea of providing a stub implementation of a repository interface 04:05
I don't feel like implementing 23 functions just to make the browser link show up when there's a plugin that does it already. 04:06
sorear Who was it who was working on getting rid of strstart? 04:34
cotto sounds like something darbelo would be working on 04:35
I thought he got it.
sorear yes, but it didn't work, and I just realized why
cotto ? 04:36
sorear take a look at src/PAST/Compiler-Regex.pir lines 137-151
in the nqp repository
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dalek TT #1014 closed by jimmy++: NQP: Add defined(), exists(), undef. 05:09
TT #1014: trac.parrot.org/parrot/ticket/1014
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antivigilante i downloaded the source for 2.6.0 07:05
sorear ...and? 07:06
antivigilante the Squaak tutorial says I should build parrot but I already have parrot installed
sorear then skip that step 07:07
antivigilante there is already a Squaak directory but there is no src/parsers
sorear tcurtis: ping
antivigilante so do I just clear that and start from scratch? 07:08
tcurtis sorear: pong
antivigilante or just use a diff name for my tutorial
can parrot do modal languages? 07:12
tcurtis What do you mean by "modal"? 07:15
antivigilante for example this is my format (var func value) - if you leave any of them out interesting things happen 07:17
sorear tcurtis: you did the squaak tutorial, right?
antivigilante like (var nil value) is an assignment
tcurtis sorear: I updated it to use NQP-rx, yes. 07:18
antivigilante (var func nil) is a query
(nil func value) is a test
(nil nil nil) is the same as saying break in a loop 07:20
tcurtis I still don't think I fully understand what you mean, but I think it should certainly be doable in Parrot. 07:21
Also, antivigilante, where are you reading the Squaak tutorial at? It shouldn't mention src/parsers any longer. 07:22
antivigilante i'm reading it at parrotblog 07:25
anyway by modal I mean that different forms imply different types of statements
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mikehh opbots, names 07:27
tcurtis antivigilante: The version of the tutorial on parrotblog is quite outdated. docs.parrot.org/parrot/latest/html/...orial.html is the up-to-date version. 07:28
antivigilante ok 07:29
NotFound squaak?
purl squaak is examples/languages/squaak or the language in kj's tutorial at parrotblog.org
tcurtis purl: squaak is also docs.parrot.org/parrot/latest/html/...orial.html 07:30
purl okay, tcurtis.
tcurtis squaak?
purl squaak is examples/languages/squaak or the language in kj's tutorial at parrotblog.org or docs.parrot.org/parrot/latest/html/...orial.html
antivigilante the thing about this little language is that AND and OR are implied by the structure of the program 07:31
statements that go horizontally across the screen imply and 07:32
vertically it's or
NOT is done via (nil nil nil)
with that if else can also be done 07:33
tcurtis That might be tricky to parse, but it could be done. 07:34
antivigilante looking to see how easy it is to do it in: parrot, lisp, javascript and assembler
sorear anything you can do in assembler you can do just as easily in javascript or parrot 07:36
antivigilante right - basically i'm gonna cheat a little by using the final bytecode as guide for the assembler version
the point is to see if it's possible to reasonably boot into this from disc and just go nuts with the computer's resources 07:37
should be interesting 07:39
dalek rrot: r48724 | NotFound++ | trunk/t/pmc/exception.t:
some more Exception tests
sorear antivigilante: I recommend using C, then
antivigilante thx guys - i'll bother you again if I hit a snag 07:40
sorear Parrot's parsing engine does a lot of stuff which will drive you mad if you try to copy it in assembly
s/Parrot/NQP-rx/
so.. don't start with NQP-rx
start at a lower level
antivigilante well i am going toward something that goes past APIs - high level conceptual programming with low level muscle 07:41
C is certainly something to use but I am going as fas even creating a new executable format 07:42
s/fas/far as/
anyhoo I'll be back I'm syre 07:43
s/syre/sure
sorear seen bubaflub 07:44
purl bubaflub was last seen on #parrot 13 days, 12 hours, 25 minutes and 23 seconds ago, saying: hey GSoC-ers, pencils-down time has already passed and the final student evaluations are on Melange now [Aug 16 19:18:51 2010]
aloha Sorry, I haven't seen bubaflub.
sorear bubaflub was supposed to have Parrot running on RTEMS earlier
dunno if he succeeded
antivigilante what I ultimately want to achieve is a system where language specific bindings are no longer necessary 08:12
mikehh All tests PASS (pre/post-config, make corevm/make coretest, test, fulltest) at r48724 - Ubuntu 10.04 amd64 (g++) 08:18
tcurtis Good night, #parrot. 08:25
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dalek nxed: r613 | NotFound++ | trunk/winxedst0.cpp:
backport new indexed to stage 0
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smash hello everyone 10:04
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dalek kudo: 6ccdcda | colomon++ | src/core/ (2 files):
Add Cool.Real, Cool.Int, Cool.Rat, and Cool.Num. Eliminate Str.Num and Str.Int.
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Paul_the_Greek Morning, folks. 11:50
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moritz morning 12:34
szbalint good $localtime! :) 12:38
whiteknight good morning moritz 12:52
moritz good morning mr. knight 12:53
smash moritz: mornin'
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mkt parrot \\o/ 13:28
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particle my pleasure :) 14:01
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dalek rrot: r48725 | nwellnhof++ | trunk (2 files):
Fix old size in realloc
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rrot: r48726 | nwellnhof++ | trunk/src/hash.c:
Fix r48687
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masak nwellnhof: ping 15:40
cotto_work pbc_dump gives valid output for large pbc files now. Not knowing for certain who fixed it and being too lazy to bisect, I blame nwellnhof++ 15:41
moritz it seems nwellnhof++ is to blame for a lot of good stuff recently :-) 15:42
nwellnhof pong
masak nwellnhof: oh hai. about #1746. 15:43
nwellnhof yes 15:44
masak nwellnhof: first, thanks for your excellent detective work.
it feels good to have the reason for the segfault.
second, what actually needs be done now to solve it?
I re-read the backlog with the discussion between nwellnhof, NotFound and pmichaud. but I didn't grasp what needs fixing, and whether it's in Rakudo or Parrot. 15:45
nwellnhof masak: the reblessing code in rakudo has to be fixed
masak ah.
nwellnhof well, ideally, parrot should provide a rebless function
masak :) 15:46
NotFound masak: I've not found any problem with attrs yet.
masak NotFound: have you been able to reproduce the segfault?
nwellnhof but the easiest solution right now would be to change rakudo's rebless code
it has to reallocate the PMC data when reblessing 15:47
NotFound masak: yes, following the instructions in the ticket it segfaults for me in linux i386
moritz is there a simple reallocate call?
masak so, it's rebless_subclass in src/ops/perl6.ops?
moritz or does it have to allocate, copy, change some pointers, deallocate?
NotFound nwellnhof: the Undef PMC has a sort of reblessing that seems to work
masak it says it's in-place.
nwellnhof moritz: i think not. but allocate/free should be straight-forward 15:48
to be more precise, the PMC attributes have to be reallocated
moritz at least to those familiar with the parrot memory API :-) 15:49
nwellnhof: could we maybe coax you into writing a patch for it? :-)
NotFound The problem is that auto_attrs PMCs needs that allocation and deallocations match 15:50
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NotFound If you allocate in some other way and the PMC auto dealocates another, boom. 15:50
masak nwellnhof: there might be $beverage-of-your-choice involved at the next meatspace opportunity :)
nwellnhof I think it should be enough to call Parrot_gc_allocate_pmc_attributes, then memcpy, then Parrot_gc_free_pmc_attributes
And making sure the GC functions are called with the right vtable pointer in the PMC 15:51
NotFound nwellnhof: it should, yes. But that can fail with manual_attrs PMCs that does its own way.
nwellnhof NotFound: how can i tell if a PMC has auto_attrs or manual? 15:52
NotFound nwellnhof checking: if the size field in the vtable struct is not zero 15:53
nwellnhof NotFound: then rebless should reallocate only when the size field it not zero
NotFound And what to do when zero? Throw? 15:54
nwellnhof no, this case should simply work without reallocating
moritz (can the case occure that the parent class uses auto_attrs, and the child class that is reblessed to uses manual_attrs? or the other way round?) 15:55
NotFound moritz: I don't know any such usage, but sure is possible. 15:56
nwellnhof moritz: i don't know but that would make things more complicated
but i think a derived class must keep the attrs setting of its base class. 15:57
NotFound The intention is that all PMC get converted to auto_attrs, and use manual only for very special purposes, but I don't know if all HLL have make progress in that direction. 15:58
nwellnhof masak: i can try to whip up a patch for rakudo 15:59
masak \\o/
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nwellnhof and we should try to get the reblessing code into parrot 16:00
moritz NotFound: at least rakudo has only one manual_attrs left
NotFound thinks about forbidding using manual_attrs when inheriting from an auto_attrs PMC
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NotFound moritz: good 16:00
tcurtis NotFound: why not the reverse? 16:01
moritz that's perl6multisub, and probably the most complex of the rakudo PMCs
NotFound tcurtis: maybe both, yes
cotto_work github.com/resistor/BrainFTracing - trace-based JIT for bf 16:04
moritz perl6multisub is manual_attrs and inherits from multisub, which is auto_attrs 16:06
atrodo cotto_work> Awesome and scary at the same time 16:07
moritz that's the hallmark of any great piece of technology :-) 16:08
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pmichaud: ping 16:30
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moritz anything rakudo related I might be able to help with? 16:34
nwellnhof moritz: I think the solution to the rebless_class problem is actually very simple
moritz that would be really great 16:35
nwellnhof we don't to need change the vtable at all
i'm not sure i fully understand the code, but i think the proxy PMC is also useless 16:36
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whiteknight nwellnhof: I would love to hear that proxy PMC was truly useless, but I suspect we cannot kill it yet 16:37
nwellnhof i only mean the use of a proxy PMC in Rakudo's rebless_class function
whiteknight ah, okay. more likely, less awesome
singalong I was following episode-3 of the PCT Tutorial and I got this error: pastie.org/1126892 16:38
nopaste "nwellnhof" at 192.168.1.3 pasted "Fix Rakudo's rebless_class" (32 lines) at nopaste.snit.ch/23194
whiteknight singalong: line 37. Change <statementlist> to <statement_list> 16:39
nwellnhof Here's my proposed patch
whiteknight (that damned tutorial! We cannot keep it current!)
nwellnhof Rakudo 'make test' passes
moritz I'll do a spectest 16:40
singalong whiteknight: thanks!
whiteknight Grammar.pm, by the way. I should have said
moritz chances are that 'make test' doesn't even call it once
singalong whiteknight: can the tutorial be edited in any way? there's a typo too some where.
whiteknight singalong: no problem. Sorry it didn't work for you the first time
singalong: yes, the tutorial can be edited. If you make a patch, we will apply it
tcurtis singalong: I think that particular problem has already been updated in the repository, but I'll check.
whiteknight or if you open a bug report, somebody will get to it eventually 16:41
singalong whiteknight: ah no. it was something i saw in the generated language i think. i remember now.
It was PST instead of PAST in the Actions.pm file
whiteknight oh, okay 16:42
singalong or maybe i made a mistake when i pressed keys when watching tv. 16:43
I got another error. but this time I'm able to figure out what the error is about pastie.org/1126929 16:45
whiteknight oi
moritz might be token stat_or_def recursing 16:46
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singalong moritz: stat_of_def recursing? 16:48
*or
moritz it's a token or regex that apears twice in the backtrace 16:49
seeing more of the backtrace would help
singalong moritz: what else can I paste? 16:50
moritz output of 16:51
/usr/local/bin/parrot squaak/squaak.pbc t/00-sanity.t
tcurtis Odd. stat_or_def shouldn't be recursing. 16:52
singalong: can you paste your grammar so far? 16:53
singalong tcurtis: sure.
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singalong one sec. my router seems to be kicking me off. 16:54
moritz: pastie.org/1126947 the output for squaak.pbc 16:55
moritz yep, 989 recursive calls of stat_or_def 16:56
singalong moritz: how can I fix that? 16:58
moritz singalong: what's your definition of stat_or_def ?
singalong my code for actions and grammar pastie.org/1126947
moritz rule stat_or_def { <stat_or_def> 16:59
}
tcurtis singalong: the body of rule stat_or_def should be <statement>.
singalong moritz: ah fund out I guess
dalek TT #1760 created by Paul_the_Greek++: Spurious newline in version string
TT #1760: trac.parrot.org/parrot/ticket/1760
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singalong tcurtis: *found 17:02
tcurtis singalong: let me know if you have any other problems or if anything is unclear in the tutorial. 17:03
singalong tcurtis: actually i got another error. 17:05
tcurtis: pastie.org/1126978 last one please.
I hate to hijack a channel with consecutive errors 17:07
tcurtis singalong: can you paste t/00-sanity.t? I suspect that the generated test file isn't valid Squaak (and am almost certain it isn't valid Squaak near the beginning of the tutorial).
singalong would be nice if the tutorial actually had states of code after each episode for download
tcurtis: pastie.org/1126985 17:08
tcurtis not the result of running t/00-sanity.t, but the actual contents of t/00-sanity.t. 17:09
singalong tcurtis: updated the same pastie pastie.org/1126985 17:10
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tcurtis That's the problem, yes. That test file is auto-generated and isn't valid Squaak. You could try copying the tests from examples/languages/squaak/t in Parrot's repository, but the tests files wouldn't parse at that point in the tutorial, either. 17:13
singalong tcurtis: oh. anyway to obtain states of code after each episode? that would be cool for everyone. 17:14
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singalong tcurtis: actually i got an idea :) i'll try to strip the test files from the repo to suit the current episode. maybe i'll succeed 17:15
tcurtis singalong: unfortunately, not at the moment. I'll try to remember to add that sometime soon.
singalong tcurtis: of when i finish this i'll try to add them in compressed file 17:16
*or
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tcurtis singalong: good luck. :) Although, I don't think Squaak as of Episode 3 supports function calls, so I don't know how you'd manage to do output. 17:16
singalong tcurtis: oh! k now i'm going to try some stunts to pass the test then. like cheat by using a blank test file 17:17
using a blank file fails too :P 17:18
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singalong isn't this error because of the line "Finally, remove the rules proto token statement_control, rule statement_control:sym<say>, and rule statement_control:sym<print>." in the episode-3? 17:19
tcurtis Well, those aren't the right syntax for Squaak's output. It seems simpler to remove them and replace them with the appropriate Squaak syntax (I think that's done in Episode 4, but I'm not absolutely certain) than to tweak the parser to support them temporarily. 17:23
singalong tcurtis: what should I actually be going for? PIR or PCT? 17:24
tcurtis singalong: What do you mean by "going for"? 17:25
singalong tcurtis: do things directly via PCT or PIR.
coz the PCT tutorial seems broken. and no other upto-date tutorial available. But I'm going to try tomorrow to just read thru the docs and understand PCT before I do PIR 17:26
pir seems to have a few tutorials available already on the net. 17:27
tcurtis What things are you trying to do? Writing a compiler? PCT. Writing some other code? Either PIR or some HLL.
The PCT tutorial (hopefully) isn't broken. If it is, I'll try to fix that.
singalong tcurtis: just trying to implement a language. but wanted to go thru the PCT tutorial. 17:28
tcurtis: just found this pretty good tutorial here coolnamehere.com/geekery/parrot/learn/index.html
but its PIR :P
Coke singalong: I would recommend NOT using PIR directly. it is helpful to know when you have to drop down to PIR from NQP, but if you're starting from scratch, use PCT/NQP/etc. 17:29
and yes, the current state of document leaves much to be desired. 17:30
*documentation
singalong Coke: oh! then i should probably stick to PCT.
Coke: Would love to help with the documentation.
Coke If you're looking for an example (as opposed to a tutorial), partcl-nqp might be of use.
partcl-nqp? 17:31
purl i heard partcl-nqp was github.com/partcl/partcl-nqp
singalong Coke: ya sure! even an example would do.
Coke that's written mainly in nqp-rx, uses the PCT classes from there, and has some callouts to PIR where necessary.
the main grammar is in src/Partcl/Grammar.pm, the actions for that grammar in Actions.pm in the same dir. 17:32
singalong Coke: thanks!
Coke other mini-languages in tcl have similar src/*/Grammar.pm,Action.pm pairings.
Have to run, $DAYJOB 17:34
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moritz pmichaud: nwellnhof came up with a patch to fix the memory corruption that we discovered in conjunction with masak's enum patch 18:40
pmichaud: I've applied it in the enum_memory branch
pmichaud moritz: okay, looking 18:41
ummmm, -1 on the patch, I think. 18:43
nwellnhof moritz, pmichaud: forget my old patch
see the comment i just made: trac.parrot.org/parrot/ticket/1746#comment:10 18:44
i didn't realize what was going on with the proxy object
pmichaud line 150 is the one that switches out the vtable?
nwellnhof yes 18:45
pmichaud I'm not sure we can just eliminate it.
Unless it's fossil code, but jnthn++ would probably need to check that.
nwellnhof it operates on the *old* proxy PMC
which will be never used again
pmichaud looking 18:46
nwellnhof looks like a part from some old code that was accidentally left in
pmichaud if spectests pass with that line removed, then +1 from me 18:58
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Paul_the_Greek Hey folks. 19:03
Question about the Integer PMC?
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dalek tracwiki: v14 | particle++ | TracSpammers 19:05
tracwiki: trac.parrot.org/parrot/wiki/TracSpa...ction=diff
particle spammers all up in our drupal :( 19:06
Paul_the_Greek Wah!
cotto_work I thought Drupal was unsinkable, like the Titanic. 19:08
particle if any admins can help me delete the users and update Mollum about the spammers listed at www.parrot.org/admin/content/comment i'd be grateful
whiteknight IM IN UR DRUPAL SPAMMIN UR PARROTZ
particle: I can help a little (though I am coming late and don't know what happened)
sorear Is EvanCarroll allowed on #perl6? 19:10
He's banned from all of irc.perl.org for a reason
particle apparently he's allowed
sorear well, I haven't banned him yet
particle anyway, whiteknight i'm looking at the comments listed in that report 19:11
sorear I mean "allowed" in a social sense
particle if the comment is seo spam, i'm deleting the user
then i'll go back to the report, where the author is now listed as (not verified), and mark the comments for Mollum to pick up on in the future
mark the comment by clicking on the subject in the report, then hitting the 'report to mollum' link, and reporting as spam 19:12
whiteknight particle: I don't see any obvious spam on pages 2 or 3 19:29
particle yeah, i've started at the bottom :) 19:31
whiteknight oh, that's the idea I had, since I figured you would start at the top :)
particle for some reason, there are a lot of spam comments about parrot 1.7.0 created in the last few weeks 19:32
whiteknight popular release? 19:33
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Paul_the_Greek Question about compiling .pmc files? 19:34
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cotto_work you have one? 19:35
Paul_the_Greek Heh. Yes, I do.
cotto_work There can be no answer without a question.
Paul_the_Greek If I have changed a .pmc file, what make do I have to do in order to run tests on it? 19:36
whiteknight there can be no answer until you realize the truth: There is no question
Paul_the_Greek Then please provide the answer without my bothering to ask.
whiteknight should be part of the normal make target
Paul_the_Greek The default make target?
whiteknight just type "make" 19:37
Paul_the_Greek Will do. Thanks. Working on integer.pmc.
cotto_work Once you've run make, you can run the direct tests via prove. it's not as complete as make test but it'll point out any glaring issuess more quickly.
Paul_the_Greek Yes, I have new tests just for these changes, so a prove will do the trick, at least initially. 19:38
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particle i need a report of drupal users who have never posted and have no roles 19:43
many spam comments here: www.parrot.org/news/2009/Parrot-1.7.0 ... i'm dealing with them now. sigh. 19:45
cotto_work yech 19:53
Paul_the_Greek The Integer PMC does not implement the negate method. I assume, then, that it inherits it from Scalar? 19:58
cotto_work looks like it 19:59
purl No it doesn't, shut your hole!
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cotto_work botsnackkick 20:00
purl thanks cotto_work :)
cotto_work karma botsnack
purl botsnack has neutral karma
aloha botsnack has karma of 0.
purl thanks aloha :)
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nwellnhof karma karma 20:03
purl karma has karma of 61
aloha karma has karma of 0.
purl has karma of 0. has neutral karma
aloha has karma of 61 has karma of 0.
Paul_the_Greek Do you think we can put those two bots in an infinite loop? 20:04
karma purl aloha karma
purl purl aloha karma has neutral karma
cotto_work close but no cigar
aloha purl aloha karma has karma of 0.
purl aloha: what?
aloha purl: Search me, bub.
purl aloha: excuse me?
aloha purl: I give up.
purl aloha: excuse me?
aloha purl: I have no idea.
purl aloha: i'm not following you...
Paul_the_Greek That was pretty good.
nwellnhof i'm impressed
cotto_work Paul_the_Greek++
Paul_the_Greek karma purl aloha karma loop 20:05
purl purl aloha karma loop has neutral karma
aloha purl aloha karma loop has karma of 0.
purl aloha: sorry...
Paul_the_Greek karma purl karm aloha purl
purl purl karm aloha purl has neutral karma
aloha purl karm aloha purl has karma of 0.
purl aloha: excuse me?
aloha purl: No clue. Sorry.
purl aloha: excuse me?
aloha purl: No clue. Sorry.
purl aloha: i'm not following you...
moritz any reason not to kick purl?
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cotto_work This is a dangerous game we're playing. 20:05
moritz: loss of karma state 20:06
moritz cotto_work: I plan to extract #parrot karma from the public IRC logs
cotto_work I'd prefer not to kick purl until everything's in place 20:07
moritz understandable
cotto_work but if some approximation of karma is preserved and the messages get less spammy, I won't mind 20:09
szbalint who runs purl anyway? hachi?
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szbalint couldn't you get a karma dump from him? 20:09
cotto_work owner?
purl i guess owner is hachi, see also #purl 20:10
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dalek rrot: r48727 | nwellnhof++ | trunk/src/string/api.c:
Fix a bug in Parrot_str_join
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moritz my #parrot logs have about 51k lines that contain ++ or -- 20:53
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Coke (my consulting company)-- 20:58
moritz postfix:< has karma +3 :-)
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GeJ Bonjour everyone. 21:01
szbalint chromatic++ # profilic blogger 21:03
davidfetter has been antilific lately 21:04
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Coke thingsrbetterwithaparrott.typepad.com/ 21:10
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cotto_work wedding invitations are serious business 21:19
Paul_the_Greek Alright, whose haribrained idea was it that the negative of Boolean true should be true? 21:20
cotto_work looks and prepares for lulz 21:21
looks like an unintended side-effect of Boolean's inheritance 21:22
Paul_the_Greek Yes, because it extends Integer. Which is an absolutely ridiculous result of decades of refusal to make Booleans first-class types.
However, the problem is a result of changes I just made. Integer no longer inherits neg from Scalar. 21:24
cotto_work Are you working to rip Scalar out? 21:25
Paul_the_Greek No, I'm fixing the bugs neg minint and abs(minint).
Let me look at Scalar neg ... 21:26
Weird, it behaves exactly as you would expect. Where does the Boolean behavior come from? A little investigation needed... 21:27
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cotto_work My guess would be that it happens because non-zero evaluates to true. 21:29
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Paul_the_Greek Ah, so it's whatever is generated by is() that I have to check. 21:31
dalek TT #1245 closed by Paul_the_Greek++: src/pmc/integer.pmc: Check overflow for -maxint in absolute()
TT #1245: trac.parrot.org/parrot/ticket/1245
Paul_the_Greek How can I see what a .t file is compiled into?
cotto_work opbots, names
moderator Parrot 2.7.0 "Australian King" Released! | parrot.org Log: irclog.perlgeek.de/parrot/today | Nopaste: nopaste.snit.ch:8001 | close 20 tickets (-9 to go), merge outstanding branches; parrot-members: vote by 2PM PT Tues Aug 31 21:31
cotto_work which .t file? 21:32
Most of them are run (somewhat) directly.
Paul_the_Greek boolean.t 21:33
I need to see what is() generates, so I can figure out how it's comparing the two Booleans.
The weird thing is that the 2-operand form of neg is failing, but the 1-operand form is not. 21:35
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cotto_work That PIR is run directly. The functions are defined in runtime/parrot/library/Test/More.pir . 21:38
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Paul_the_Greek It uses iseq. 21:40
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Paul_the_Greek Which does what you'd expect. This is mysterious. 21:42
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Paul_the_Greek I get it. It's the behavior of set_integer_native. 21:46
Boolean simply has to implement neg. 21:47
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nopaste "kid51" at 192.168.1.3 pasted "gsoc_branch: 'make fulltest' failures at r48727" (2233 lines) at nopaste.snit.ch/23199 22:45
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cotto_work2 kid51: there is no gsoc_branch branch 22:52
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kid51 Correction: gsoc_threads 22:59
dalek rrot: r48728 | jkeenan++ | branches/gsoc_threads (7 files):
[codingstd] Set Subversion metadata.
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rrot: r48729 | jkeenan++ | branches/gsoc_threads (7 files):
[codingstd] trailing space; pod syntax.
rrot: r48730 | jkeenan++ | branches/gsoc_threads/src/threads.c:
[codingstd] no cuddled else
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kid51 Lots more still to be done in gsoc_threads branch 23:07
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cotto_work2 dafrito: ping 23:25
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dafrito cotto_work: pong 23:30
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cotto_work dafrito: can you come up with a way to get git log to spit out every commit in a repository? 23:32
It seems to be much faster than map-svn (and doesn't make as many assumptions) to use git log, but its output only has ~39000 revisions. 23:34
dafrito git rev-list --all is probably the right direction for that
That might be faster, but I don't think the assumptions are any better: It'd be a difference between using git-svn's data, or an artifact of that data 23:36
cotto_work rev-list only returns 40792 lines of output 23:37
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dafrito shrugs 23:39
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dafrito The old map-svn used "git rev-list --all" 23:39
If you're not getting a complete view of the data, then your checkout might be incomplete? Both ways are hackish in that they have to assume existing data is actually useful 23:42
doing git rev-list --all on my repo gets me 84k lines of output 23:43
cotto_work is that parrot/parrot from github?
dafrito No, I'll check that one out and see what I get 23:44
I get 40784 23:47
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cotto_work same here (mostly) 23:48
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dafrito which is probably accurate, considering there's been pruning and things like that going on 23:56
cotto_work I'm tempted to go with whatever rev-list spits out. 23:57
dafrito yeah, it doesn't bother me 23:58
rev-list is nice since it works on any git repo
map-svn only works on repos with SVN crap lying around
cotto_work The more important question is whether it'll cause omissions that bother parrot hackers using the trac site once the plugin installed. 23:59

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