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cotto_work some delicious nopasta would be ok too 00:01
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polyglotbot OUTPUT[Null PMC access in type()␤current instr.: '_block12' pc 49 (EVAL_13:29)␤called from Sub 'parrot;PCT::HLLCompiler;evalpmc' pc 744 (src/PCT/HLLCompiler.pir:448)␤called from Sub 'parrot;PCT::HLLCompiler;compile' pc 438 (src/PCT/HLLCompiler.pir:303)␤called from Sub 'parrot;PCT::HLLCompiler;eval'
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cotto_work perl6: eval 'class a is b {}'
polyglotbot OUTPUT[[oops; continuation 0x834996c of type 21 is trying to jump from runloop 548 to runloop 110]␤src/inter_call.c:301: failed assertion 'PObj_is_PMC_TEST(sig_pmc)'␤Backtrace - Obtained 19 stack frames (max trace depth is 32).␤ (unknown)␤ Parrot_confess␤ Parrot_init_arg_op␤ 00:05
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cotto_work DietCoke, nopaste please? 00:12
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DietCoke cotto_work: I replied to the ticket. what do you want me to nopaste?
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dalek r29711 | Whiteknight++ | gsoc_pdd09: 00:19
: [gsoc_pdd09] update header allocator to flag items differently in different GC states
diff: www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=29711
r29712 | coke++ | trunk: 00:22
: [tcl] code.google.com/p/partcl/issues/detail?id=58
: Eliminate some more __foo style sub names
diff: www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=29712
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dalek r29713 | Whiteknight++ | gsoc_pdd09: 00:40
: [gsoc_pdd09] add additional trace checks in case items are added to the queue post-trace but pre-sweep. doesn't fix any bad tests
diff: www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=29713
r29714 | coke++ | trunk:
: [tcl] code.google.com/p/partcl/issues/detail?id=58
: Eliminate some more __foo style sub names
diff: www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=29714
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dalek r29715 | Whiteknight++ | gsoc_pdd09: 00:42
: [gsoc_pdd09] codingstd fixes for the garbage i just committed
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dalek r29716 | coke++ | trunk: 02:13
: [tcl] pass another spec test in dict.test (and elsewhere, no doubt.) The
: error message for an invalid subcommand is slightly different than that
: for the options.
diff: www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=29716
r29717 | coke++ | trunk: 02:20
: [tcl] the force skip is no longer necessary, but many of these need to be
: TODO'd. Also, tclsh8.5 disagreed with us on the return value of the last test.
diff: www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=29717
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dalek r29718 | coke++ | trunk: 03:15
: [tcl] reclaim 47 spec tests in dict.test;
: - the recently reactivated TclDict vtable get_string had a segfault.
: - avoid it entirely by translating the PIR sub it invoked into C
: - delete the now-unused PIR sub
: - Fix the algorithm to use the right container PMC type.
diff: www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=29718
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dalek r29719 | coke++ | trunk: 03:44
: [tcl] reclaim another 122 spec tests from dict.test
: Avoiding the original segfault is nice, but actually having a sane
: VTABLE_get_string avoids another crash and gets us further through
: the test file.
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pmichaud japhb++ mj41++ # corrections to my slides, now updated on website, thanks! 04:29
Infinoid pmichaud: in "The next few months will see substantial improvements", by "substantial improvements", I think you mean "us taking over the world, ushering in a new era of peace, prosperity, and free waffles and ice cream". 04:45
hope this helps, have a nice day.
davidfetter free waffles *and* ice cream?!? i'm so there 04:47
pmichaud I'll go for free waffles and ice cream. 04:58
pmichaud wonders how he can stage a free waffle/ice cream event
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masak cotto_home: you don't like the way people appreciate tickets? 06:10
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cotto_home I don't like how the number keeps increasing 06:22
(although it shows that people care) 06:23
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masak cotto_home: given that tickets represent known issues, which would not be non-issues if not for the tickets, but simply unknown issues... 06:32
cotto_home I don't think it's a bad thing to have more tickets; it's just annoying to close one, only to have the number not change or increase. 06:35
masak now, _that_ I can understand
I was going to say "maybe you need more devs?", but that just made me think of Fred Brooks 06:36
but maybe more devs are in fact needed 06:37
cotto_home fortunately, there's no formal definition of "late" 06:38
in Parrot's case
masak except having your niche filled for you 06:40
hm, that's what you meant by "no formal". right.
cotto_home I meant there's no hard deadline, but I'll pretend like I was smart enough to anticipate that. 06:42
masak heh :) 06:43
re tickets, I usually make an attempt to patch my own bug reports
so far, I have something like a 15% success rate, and often my patches need curating of some sort
but I believe my understanding of rakudo and parrot is improving 06:44
cotto_home me too, but it's disappointingly easy for me to get in over my head. 06:45
masak lately, I've found it surprisingly easy to grok a new aspect of parrot. but I'm still picking low-hanging fruit. 06:46
and some things still baffle me 06:47
for example, I haven't been able to find comment out the thing that makes this hang: 06:48
./perl6 -e '"$"'
it practically has to be somewhere in src/parser/quote_expression.pir, but I haven't found it 06:58
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masak how do I trace things in rakudo? 12:11
`./perl6 -t perl6file` doesn't seem to cut it
moritz I think you can only trace at the parrot level 12:13
masak ./perl6 -h tells me that there is a -t flag
anyhow, I didn't succeed on the parrot level either 12:14
I'm trying to debug the "$" error, and would be greatly helped by knowing the exact call chain
something like this: 12:15
../../parrot --runcore trace perl6.pbc -e '"$"'
...except the above hangs and doesn't trace
moritz ../../parrot -t 1 perl6.pir -e '"$"' 12:17
with -t 2 you get # find_method class 'CodeString' method 'escape': NCI 12:18
as the last line of non-hanging output
masak moritz: what's the difference between -t 1 and -t 2?
moritz the verbosity 12:19
purl the verbosity is good.
masak indeed. 12:20
-t 1 gave me some additional respect for parrot
moritz because it produces so much output? ;-) 12:21
masak in effect, yes 12:23
I respect CPAN for the same reason :/
moritz and /dev/urandom? ;-)
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masak moritz: who doesn't? :) 12:24
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masak moritz: ok, so I know we get stuck in src/parser/quote_expression.pir 12:25
what do the last few calls tell me? 12:26
emit, unique, escape, unique, emit, escape
and what's a CodeString?
purl rumour has it a CodeString is one of those that I think could give a nice performance win if it were written in C instead of PIR :-)
masak purl: I wasn't asking you. 12:27
purl masak: i'm not following you...
moritz purl: masak means "SHUT THE FUCK UP", only more polite ;-)
purl moritz: huh?
masak purl: what moritz said.
purl masak: wish i knew
masak I wish you knew too.
moritz quote_expression.pir doesn't call a method named escape 12:28
masak there's a hash key named 'escape', though 12:29
and a local variable named escape
moritz and I wonder if the NCI at the end of line means it's a C function that's being called
masak ah :/
moritz masak: are you sure it hangs in quote_expression.pir? 12:30
the methods in that file seem to quote expression, not parsing quoted expressions 12:31
masak moritz: I have commented out a line in that file, and after that it worked 12:32
i.e. didn't hang
moritz ok
masak I'm not sure you're right about it quoting expressions
look at the comments in grammar.pg about it
moritz: try commenting out line 109 in that file and you'll see 12:33
moritz I see what you mean
masak that's as close to a solution as I've got 12:34
quote_expression calls quote_concat, which defines a local variable escapes, but never uses it 12:35
quote_concat calls quote_term, which uses escapes 12:36
but the changes I make there seem to have no effect, so there the trail gets cold 12:37
moritz wonders what happens if you delete/comment out lines 221 and 222 12:38
sanity tests still pass 12:39
masak weird :) 12:40
moritz the one in line 109 has an effect because escapes is used in line 116 again 12:41
spaghetti assembler-- 12:42
masak moritz: yes
and it's that options hash that's passed on to the other methods 12:43
something tells me the hangup is not in quote_expression
but lower down, when we actually start parsing things 12:44
dalek r29720 | infinoid++ | trunk: 13:02
: [darwin] Apply patch from RT #57224. kasei++, rurban++.
: * Reverse the order of @arches in the darwin hints file. Since /ppc/ will
: match both "ppc" and "ppc64", it is important to do search/replaces for
: "ppc64" before doing them for "ppc".
diff: www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=29720
Infinoid kasei: so after that patch, does parrot build to completion and test out ok? 13:05
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dalek g.roehrbein@gmx.de | Inter-HLL Mapping Notes: 13:15
link: www.perlfoundation.org/parrot/index...ping_notes
r29721 | coke++ | trunk: 13:21
: [tcl] get past the last dying test in dict.test; we can now run the entire
: test file and get the trailing TAP output. Still some failures/skips.
diff: www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=29721
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polyglotbot OUTPUT[zomgl␤]
Tene infinoid++
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donaldh Infinoid: I updated rt #56828 with a new patch that includes a test for the new NCI parameter type. 13:47
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dalek r29722 | coke++ | trunk: 14:01
: [tcl] In addition to providing a list of spec tests to skip, also provide
: a list of spec tests run as TODO. This gives us a chance to actually notice
: when things start working. Need to go through the current list of skips and
: change those that can be run over to TODOs. Setup list.test with the new
: TODO-ability.
diff: www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=29722
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Infinoid donaldh: thanks! I'll look at it later this morning. 14:17
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donaldh Infinoid++ 14:54
Infinoid I haven't actually _done_ anything yet... :) 15:05
moritz Infinoid: that's a subtle way to build pressure on you ;-) 15:06
Infinoid oh YEAH? well, moritz++ !
moritz Infinoid: as long as the ++ isn't connected to a particular task I don't feel any obligation ;-) 15:07
Infinoid ++'s need :attributes 15:10
# Parrot VM: PANIC: vVi is an unknown signature type. 15:11
guess it requires a realclean
dalek r29723 | infinoid++ | trunk: 15:31
: [nci] Apply patch from donaldh++ in RT #56828, with whitespace fixes.
: * Add "V" NCI signature, for opaque void** writeback pointers.
: * Add a test for it.
diff: www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=29723
donaldh Infinoid: and a Configure.pl
purl i think a configure.pl is not a spammy domain name. it's not even registered.
donaldh doh, that's obvious. 15:32
Infinoid without Configure.pl, "make test" runs *really* fast 15:33
donaldh :D
that's a nice idea purl. Anyone thought of registering configure.pl ? 15:34
japhb Clearly *someone* did ... :-)
ping configure.pl
purl I can't find configure.pl in the DNS.
dalek r29724 | coke++ | trunk: 15:35
: [tcl] fix stub of [trace] so it actually does nothing instead of fail.
diff: www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=29724
r29725 | coke++ | trunk: 15:36
: [tcl] Convert a few spec test SKIPs into TODOs (and add some more TODOs)
diff: www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=29725
donaldh I've been thinking about inter HLL mapping some more. 15:38
Perhaps we need to nail down what people actually _want to do_ with it. 15:39
E.g. I suspect that nobody actually needs to pass really complex datastructures by value between different HLLs
japhb Perhaps not now -- but if the border is arbitrary, then some poor user is going to run up against it and wonder what the heck is going wrong 15:41
donaldh true
japhb Converse of that is that if for deep reasons there does need to be a border, we need to draw it in glowing neon paint. 15:42
donaldh I'm just thinking aloud that apis tend to take primitive values, shallow collections and opaque structures. 15:43
japhb I think one way to find that border is to work our way up from the bottom -- what can we guarantee will work with a simple scheme, and see if we can do better, iteratively. 15:44
donaldh That might be a good approach.
Take JDBC for example; relatively simple API calls that return complex, opaque objects with accessor methods. 15:45
Even a ResultSet is opaque until you actuall start realizing rows out of it.
s/actuall/actually/
japhb IMHO the two simplest schemes are 1) YAML serialization and 2) limiting ourselves to mapping to/from core PMCs. We should spec out what each of those gives us, and see if we can do better.
nod
moritz what does serialization buy us? 15:46
donaldh Not sure.
japhb While the 'opaque object with methods' concept seems simple, I think it's more difficult than it seems -- and means we have to figure out how to handle it in languages that aren't natively OO 15:47
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japhb moritz: it's dead simple, with a very limited set of types. 15:47
Tene japhb: how would that be any better than mapping to/from core types, then? 15:48
moritz japhb: so no user defined types at all?
japhb donaldh: self-referentially, might want to add a log link to your first comment 10 minutes ago to the wiki page ....
donaldh nod
japhb Tene: because YAML doesn't have more complex data structures like OrderedHash to worry about 15:49
Tene japhb: so what will yaml do with an orderedhash?
japhb moritz: I meant it not as a "best choice", but as a baseline that we could improve on.
donaldh We need a very explicit list of problems. More than the bullet points in the wiki.
1. direct mapping, e.g. Perl 6 Int to Tcl Integer 15:50
japhb Tene: probably the best it could do is serialize out to a hash, and put the keys in the right order. Which actually come to think of it, works fine. BUT: If the destination language doesn't know what an OrderedHash is, it will probably treat it as just a normal hash, and I meant that to be explicitely OK. 15:51
donaldh 2. indirect mapping, e.g. Perl 6 Int, Str, Num to Perl 5 Scalar.
japhb Tene: note that IIRC YAML can mark the desired actual data type to "bless into" in Perl 5 speak, so YAML could perfectly serialize an OrderedHash. *de*serializing it would be where the info gets lost 15:53
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Tene The problem, though, is with custom types or extended types, right? 15:55
If we return an orderedhash, the other language can deal with it fine, right?
In what situations would returning an orderedhash be a problem that serialization could fix?
moritz I don't quite understand what problem this is trying to solve that couldn't be solved by just letting the foreign language handle the method calls 15:56
if ruby returns an object of type Foo to my perl 6 script, all method calls on that should follow ruby semantics, right? 15:57
Tene moritz: the problem is, for example, if I return a perl6 into to ruby, you can't call ruby's methods on it, 'cos it's the wrong type.
moritz: Right, exactly.
japhb sorry, was afk
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moritz why not? you have to let the ruby backend handle the semantics of the method call 15:57
I parsed that the wrong way, sorry 15:58
forget my last remark
purl moritz, I didn't have anything matching my last remark
japhb moritz: What if you have a deep class heirarchy, and hand an object of the deepest class to the other language. Assume the languages have different MROs. What happens? 15:59
Tene: Because Parrot implements more "base types" than really are base types in many languages. 16:00
Tene japhb: In what situations would returning an orderedhash be a problem that serialization could fix?
moritz japhb: ruby's types don't appear in Perl 6's type hierarchy, so you can't do MMD - and MRO is handled by the language which handles the method call semantics
japhb Tene: Forth has ints, arrays, and sometimes floats. It has one master hash (the dictionary). What is an Ordered Hash to Forth? 16:01
moritz well, if a language can't handle a data type, there's nothing you can really do
japhb moritz: So if you say that the dest language handles the method call, then you're saying that it will do the wrong thing. 16:02
moritz it's like returning a closure to basic - useless, because basic has no syntax for calling them
Tene japhb: What is some forth code that would not work if the object it's using is an OrderedHash?
moritz japhb: wrong in what way? would you care to provide an example?
Tene In what case would you even ask for an orderedhash from another language? 16:03
What would you be trying to do?
japhb OK, hold on, I'm getting bombarded.
Tene Also, if the language is capable of calling eval to get weird objects, it's certainly capable of calling eval to do otherlanguagestuff to those objects.
Tene waits.
donaldh Tene: that was my point. We might be trying to solve things that don't make a lot of sense. E.g. passing an ordered hash to a language that can't do anything with it. Pointless. 16:04
japhb moritz: You just said that the same language that handles the method call handles MRO. Fine, I'll buy that. But then you must choose the source language to make the method call, because the dest language will be wrong if the MROs don't match.
donaldh MRO?
japhb Method Resolution Order 16:05
Tene: your point about eval is well taken, but seems like a heavy-handed way of doing things. "You must eval every op on a foreign data type"
moritz japhb: it's not "wrong", it's just not what native objects would do 16:06
Tene japhb: The only reason you would *ask* for a weird datatype is if you needed to do weird things with it, which is the purpose of using the other language.
moritz japhb: at least I can't see how it's wrong. That's why I asked for an example
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Tene I do have an idea, though.
moritz if I have a type that a ruby function returns, and I call a method on it - how on earth could I expect the method call to be done with Perl semantics?
Tene It seems to me that the types we really care about are the core data types.
donaldh nod
Tene List, Hash, Int, Float, String.
We're already doing some handling of those with .HLL_map 16:08
donaldh Yes, but .HLL_map only works for any one HLL at a time.
Tene If we return a Point or a Square or a WhoTheHellKnows, we don't *care* about translating it.
japhb Tene: Your other point about Forth code that would not work if an object is an ordered hash. It was a well-intentioned but badly-worded example. But it does bring up an interesting point. Forth has no native reason to support an OrderedHash. But if we insisted that every language support the basic Parrot types, it could usefully decide to turn an OrderedHash into an array, or perhaps an array of pointer pairs. Hmmm.
Tene so we should perhaps just try to ensure that the .HLL_map type stuff works right.
Perhaps a .HLL_unmap
.HLL_unmap 'List', 'ResizablePMCArray' 16:09
Then the calling language can re-map it.
moritz does forth support user defined data types?
donaldh I'd really like to avoid copying the core data types when we map.
moritz if not I see little chances for a bridge at all
japhb Tene: You are choosing the "map source to parrot to dest" system. (Not that it's wrong, I'm saying, you appear to be voting for that.) 16:10
donaldh But we have this problem of the asymmetric mapping
Tene: that case almost isn't necessary since List isa ResizablePMCArray 16:11
No need to unmap, but it is necessary to map to the target language. 16:12
Unfortunately that's not what .HLL_map means AFAIK.
japhb moritz: yes, it does support user defined types. But A) you have to build them up from very primitive ops, and B) OO in Forth is even more screwy than Perl 5 -- not only does every Forth (with built in OO) define the structure of a class and an object differently -- they all use different syntax, too.
And it's not unusual for people to define their own OO system. Like, from scratch. 16:13
donaldh: Just to be clear, what do you do if the HLL class is a subclass of a Parrot type that is itself a subclass of another Parrot type? Just choose the deepest child class that is still in the Parrot core? 16:16
donaldh japhb: I don't know.
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Tene Also, to be clear, it's not just about returning, it's also about calling. 16:17
It's not even always about eval.
use ruby:Something::Whatever; 16:18
donaldh Tene: agreed. My comment at the start of this thread was that method parameters tend to be simpler than return values.
Although Perl tends to buck that trend. 16:19
Tene I'm still not persuaded that we need to do anything at all.
japhb We also have the fun of deciding what to do when language A calls language B, takes the return value and hands it off to language C. And heavens forfend that language C call was to register a callback for the object from language B ....
donaldh heh
Tene Which is why I think we need to either do nothing or keep it *very* simple and limited in scope. 16:20
donaldh Okay, so here's where I started. I can write PIR to call sqlite and construct a result that is a ResizablePMCArray of Integer, Number, String, etc. 16:21
In Perl 6, the .HLL_map rules ensure that parrot actually produces a List of Int, Num, Str, etc. from my PIR code.
japhb OK, I'll go on record as believing that this problem is way more complex than it appears at the surface, and whatever we decide to try, we need to start NOW, so that when our first attempt runs up against a big ugly problem, we have time to work things out before 1.0. Because after 1.0, we'll have a REALLY hard time making changes in such a core feature.
donaldh That's great, in a single HLL world.
But if I then try to call a Tcl or Python method with that List of Int, Num, Str, etc. then the target HLL will not get what it expects and .HLL_map plays no part. AFAIK 16:23
moritz somehow I don't think that you can always get DWIM'miness with HLL interop 16:24
Tene OBTW
About yaml.
moritz not as a restriction of the parrot system, but in general
japhb moritz: we're not expecting to get full DWIM. We're trying to suck as little as possible. 16:25
Tene What if I have an array of ZOMGLOL objects? Can you serialize the array while keeping those objects opaque?
donaldh japhb: I think I will hack in some additional 'use' capability to Rakudo so that I can experiment.
japhb YAML pretty much by definition is not opaque.
Tene donaldh: I'm curious about whether we can use .HLL_map as hints on when do conversion.
donaldh Tene: maybe we can. 16:26
japhb donaldh: THANK YOU. I've only been asking for that for ... oh ... half a year.
Tene japhb: pmichaud says that it's on his "finish by saturday" list, or some such.
Infinoid donaldh++ # p6 "use"
japhb (I trust pmichaud that he's got bigger fish to fry, but damn, I *want* this!)
donaldh japhb: I'm sure pmichaud and jonathan will tear it up and replace it when they do it right, but it would help in the short term. 16:27
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Infinoid moritz: did I do it right this time? :P 16:27
japhb Tene: really? Cool!
donaldh: :-)
moritz Infinoid: yes, Infinoid++ ;-)
donaldh Infinoid: oooh I feel the pressure mounting.
dalek r29726 | coke++ | trunk: 16:28
: [tcl] Provide the ability to TODO spec tests via globs instead of exact matches
diff: www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=29726
donaldh Keep up the discussion. I need to drop off; children to feed. 16:29
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rurban moritz? 18:31
moritz yes?
pmichaud yay! I haz an oscon network connection!
yay! I haz an oscon network connection!(finally!)
rurban About my pugs installation for your blog: I found my blog in my journal use.perl.org/~rurban/journal/36897 18:32
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moritz pmichaud: cool ;) 18:32
rurban: looking
rurban title: pugs installation on cygwin
moritz we should link that in pugs' INSTALL file 18:33
rurban++ 18:37
rurban I'm just writing in my journal about my perl6 packaging desaster :) 18:38
moritz ;)
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dalek r29727 | moritz++ | trunk: 19:13
: [rakudo] add S12-class/ineheritance.t to spectest_regression
: +10 pass, +7 todo, +15 skip - still much work for jonathan ;-)
diff: www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=29727
pmichaud oscon network connection: FAIL 19:17
Infinoid ohnoes 19:18
pmichaud apparently I can use oscon wifi only from D139/140
anywhere else it doesn't work.
Infinoid ohnoescon?
is it just one AP? or a bunch of them? 19:22
pmichaud I don't know. 19:24
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pmichaud afk for a while, lunch 19:31
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dalek r29728 | moritz++ | trunk: 19:52
: [rakudo] two more S06 tests for spectest_regression
: +6 pass, +3 skip
diff: www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=29728
moritz decides to call it a day
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dalek r29729 | tewk++ | gsoc_nci: 20:11
: [gsoc_nci] dynamically jitted nci stubs pass all tests on i386
diff: www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=29729
mj41 hi, I updated parrot-lgp and pr.perl6.cz/parrot-lgp/wiki/First_prototypes (feel free to correct my English :-) 20:15
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jonathan mj41: pises dobre po anglicky. :-) ale s/algorith/algorithm/ 20:23
mj41 jonathan: Dakujem. Ty pises dobre po Slovensky. Ucis sa rychlo. :-) 20:27
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jonathan mj41: Dakujem...studujem a ucim sa...slovencia je tazka! 20:32
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cotto_work coke, ping 20:39
dalek r29730 | Whiteknight++ | gsoc_pdd09: 20:42
: [gsoc_pdd09] updating to trunk r29729
diff: www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=29730
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DietCoke cotto_home: yes? 20:49
you'll get better response times via email, you know. =-)
cotto_work how's your win32 build environment set up? 20:52
DietCoke ... "fine" ? 20:53
I basically followed the directions in the win32 readme to get the free ms stuff.
cotto_work I mean which tools do you use and what did you have to do to get them to play nice with msvc.
ok
DietCoke note that those directions refer to the perl5 directions.
but if you want gcc on win32, you can just install strawberry perl, and use the gcc/make that come with it. 20:54
cotto_work I'm trying to get msvc working
DietCoke hokay. I just followed the directions. I never use msvc for anything other than parrot.
I also yelled at particle a lot.
cotto_work also, how does it work that you can be summoned to irc? 20:56
Tene Yelling at particle is both productive and fun.
moritz heh ;-) 20:57
DietCoke cotto_home: moritz wrote some enabling technology.
moritz ?
DietCoke (I have a perl script that trolls his log.)
or, magic. 20:58
Tene or, shouting at particle. 20:59
cotto_work simple, but still a cool trick
DietCoke yelling at particle?
stupid purl.
Tene purl: yelling at particle is both productive and fun.
purl OK, Tene.
Tene yelling at particle?
Bah. 21:00
DietCoke Did someone change purl so you have to address him? ah well.
cotto_work purl, status?
purl Since Wed Jul 23 09:06:34 2008, there have been 297 modifications and 171 questions. I have been awake for 1 day, 11 hours, 53 minutes, 46 seconds this session, and currently reference 711166 factoids. Addressing is in optional mode.
DietCoke purl: a bot says what?
purl i haven't a clue, dietcoke
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Tene coke? 21:00
laaaaaaaaaame
purl--
purl Tene: sorry...
Tene purl++ 21:01
DietCoke ~~
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DietCoke ... yes? 21:02
purl, Coke is also Kibo-esque.
purl OK, DietCoke.
DietCoke tene: yes?
Tene Huh? 21:03
DietCoke smacks tene
DietCoke smacks purl!
Tene That was before you left!
DietCoke Yes, I just realized that. =-)
Tene purl: coke is also FULL OF REVENGE
purl OK, Tene.
DietCoke ~~ again. =-) 21:04
tene++
moritz so, how's OSCON? 21:05
mj41 jonathan: Dobru noc.
pmichaud oscon would be better if I could get on the wireless. :-| 21:06
other than that, oscon is going well 21:07
moritz pmichaud: you should recruite more hackers for parrot/rakudo, not hang out here ;-)
dalek r29731 | coke++ | trunk:
: [tcl] cleanup set.test todos.
: also, whitespace cleanup
diff: www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=29731
Donald Hunter | Inter-HLL Mapping Notes:
link: www.perlfoundation.org/parrot/index...ping_notes
jonathan pmichaud: Will likely hack Rakudo tomorrow.
pmichaud well, it's not just irc -- I'd like to be able to svn up and respond to mail
jonathan pmichaud: Anything you'd like me to do/not do? 21:08
pmichaud jonathan: okay. I don't know what my status will be (see above note re: wireless)
jonathan Sure.
I'm not 100% I will hack either. I had to have a (minor, don't worry too much) surgery on my leg on Monday.
pmichaud okay. We'll definitely be hacking on rakudo on saturday
jonathan And still not 100% with it. 21:09
Ah?
With wireless?
Should I save my Rakudo day for Saturday?
And relax etc tomorrow?
I can do that.
moritz jonathan: I moved an inheritance test to spec/, lot's of stuff to clean up there, I think
pmichaud oscon finishes tomorrow -- we're having a hackathon on saturday (at a different location)
Tene I've got over a week of free time starting saturday.
pmichaud so me, particle, allison, chromatic, timtoady, others will be hackathoning on saturday
Tene Can I hackathon from far away? 21:10
pmichaud sure!
Tene Yay!
jonathan pmichaud: OK, I have to go back to doctors tomorrow anyway, hopefully it'll be fine, but who knows...I think I'll have tomorrow off and join everyone hacking on Sautrday. 21:11
pmichaud that might be better. I'll have had a chance to regroup and will have wireless then 21:13
as it is I've basically been off-the-net since last Thursday
Tene Anyone have any parrot-related tasks for me to work on tonight?
pmichaud my inbox runneth over. I really need to find a good off-line mail solution. 21:14
mj41 jonathan: I hope I will have some free time to work again on TapTinder ( tt.ro.vutbr.cz/report/pr-Parrot/rp-trunk ) next week. On TODO list are "clients driven by server" and then "Rakudo spec-tests".
Good night.
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jonathan mj41: Great! Dobru noc! 21:14
pmichaud: OK, Saturday it is. 21:17
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cotto_work gah. I just typo'd INTERP for INSERT 21:41
moritz ETOOMUCHPARROT 21:42
donaldh moritz: EBADPARAM 21:43
moritz /kick donaldh ENOOP ;-) 21:44
moritz should go to bed know, but as he knows himself he'll stay up at least another hour 21:45
donaldh agrees
donaldh also thinks child will need fed in 4 hours - why bother going to bed. 21:46
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moritz how old is he/she? 21:47
donaldh he is three months.
moritz your first child? 21:48
donaldh second. My daughter is 20 months old.
moritz nice 21:49
donaldh The thing that I miss most is not being able to find more than about two hours of keyboard time. 21:50
And that is usually during antisocial hours.
moritz nobody said it'd be easy ;-)
donaldh yup. 21:51
do you have children?
moritz no
not even married (yet) 21:52
donaldh (yet) sounds hopeful tho.
moritz well, after being together four years you start making plans... ;-) 21:53
donaldh just so
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Tene Some might disagree. 21:57
Whiteknight plans, tell me about it. I'm up to my armpits in plans
and I tell you what, it's not me making them :)
moritz
.oO( in sovjet russia plans make you )
 21:58
Infinoid plans to buy mint chocolate oreo cookies on his way home 21:59
I try not to plan anything more complicated than that.
davidfetter wonders how many people here were old enough to drink legally when there was a soviet russia
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donaldh what's the cutoff age? 22:00
Tene A what kind of russia?
;)
moritz can barely remeber Germany's reunion 22:01
it's about the first political event that I can remeber
jonathan was very young when Soviet Russia was still around
Like, I hadn't even started programming. 22:02
jonathan is taking a 3-4 week holiday in Russian in the [autumn|fall]
s/Russian/Russia/
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donaldh You'd have to be at least 35 to have been old enough to legally drink to the Soviet Union in the UK. 22:04
jonathan Heh. Missed it by over a decade! 22:05
donaldh I scrape in.
donaldh rofls and wonders how he has never encountered LOLsheviks before 22:09
davidfetter IM IN UR ALS, CROSSIN' INTO EUROPEZ 22:10
Tene Over a decade. 22:12
donaldh I CAN HAZ REIGN OF TERRORZ
davidfetter that'd be lolobins 22:13
Infinoid lolcode: VISIBLE "REIGNZ OF TERROR? DO NOT WANT" 22:15
polyglotbot OUTPUT[REIGNZ OF TERROR? DO NOT WANT␤]
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cotto_work shouldn't that be "VISABLE"? it seems like an odd oversight to spell a 7-letter word correctly in the lolcode spec. 22:17
Infinoid lolcode.com/examples/hai-world
good point though. should probably log a bug report about that
cotto_work or "fix" the wiki 22:18
Infinoid lolcode: VISABLE "REIGNZ OF TERROR? DO NOT WANT"
polyglotbot OUTPUT[Scope not found for PAST::Var 'VISABLE'␤current instr.: 'parrot;PCT::HLLCompiler;panic' pc 156 (src/PCT/HLLCompiler.pir:103)␤called from Sub 'parrot;PAST::Compiler;bind' pc 5318 (src/PAST/Compiler.pir:1472)␤called from Sub 'parrot;PAST::Compiler;post_children' pc 1696
..(src/PAST/Compiler.pir:365)␤called from Sub 'parrot;PAST::Compiler;as_p...
Infinoid aaw.
I do love how it requires keywords in all caps 22:19
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Tene It's not required, it's just that all the builtin ones are, and it's case-sensitive. 22:24
Just, y'know, coincidence. 22:25
Infinoid is there a lolbug@parrotcode.org? 22:36
cotto_work there's an easy way to find out 22:37
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pmichaud I was. :-) 22:43
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pmichaud (old enough to drink when ussr existed) 22:44
Whiteknight I'm barely old enough to drink now 22:45
actually, that's not true, but I still get carded when I go out
Tene perl6: say 'infinoid++'
polyglotbot OUTPUT[infinoid++␤]
Tene Infinoid: you misspelled VISIBLE 22:46
lolcode: VISIBLE "REIGN OF TERROR? DO NOT WANT"
polyglotbot OUTPUT[REIGN OF TERROR? DO NOT WANT␤]
Infinoid that's the point.
[15:17] <@cotto_work> shouldn't that be "VISABLE"? it seems like an odd oversight to spell a 7-letter word correctly in the lolcode spec.
Limbic_Region I thought it was great to get into bars when I was 15 and looked 25. Now that I am about to be 2 ** 5 and look like 42, not so much fun
salutations all btw 22:47
Tene I've been told several times that I appear to be 10 years older than I am.
pmichaud I have it on judicial record that at one point I looked 14 years younger than I was. :-) 22:48
Tene Both of my girlfriends look quite a bit younger than they are. 22:49
I've been accused of dating jailbait more than once.
pmichaud ..."both"?
Limbic_Region well, before my wife started bearing our children - she looked 10 years younger than her age (we are 3 years apart)
so it looked like a 40 year old was dating a 17 year old
Limbic_Region got plenty of disapproving looks
Tene pmichaud: monogamy doesn't agree with me. 22:50
Limbic_Region Tene - I am too lazy not to be monogamous. Heck, before I got married I was too lazy even to date 1 at a time and often settled with being alone 22:52
Tene - so you have far more energy than me
Tene chitchat: Transcript show: 'Limbic_Region++' 22:53
polyglotbot OUTPUT[Limbic_Region++␤]
moritz pmichaud: take a look at t/spec/S29-array/elems.t when you have tuits, it looks a bit borked but otherwise mostly passes ;-)
Tene Limbic_Region: The inexperienced sysadmin says "Another box? Where will I find the time to play nethack?" and does not understand. The master sysadmin manages hundreds of boxes and understands that automation is true laziness. 22:56
cotto_work (automatic girlfriend)-- 22:57
Tene is reminded of a Dresden Dolls song. 22:58
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