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rg do we have any x87 experts? 01:09
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Infinoid x87? the math coprocessor? 01:16
rg yep. the one.
Infinoid not me 01:17
rg that's what's causing TT #530 and TT #501
(and TT #38 and TT #201 before) 01:18
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LylePerl_ hi 01:42
davidfetter hi 01:43
LylePerl_ I'm trying to write a bit of parrot 01:48
I've found the page docs.parrot.org/parrot/latest/html/...s.pmc.html
shorten LylePerl_'s url is at xrl.us/beo2ad
LylePerl_ I want to display *cwd and then do a chdir() 01:49
I've tried print *cwd but that gives error
cotto LylePerl_, which version of Parrot are you using? 01:50
LylePerl_ latest 01:51
cotto svn?
purl well, svn is the current svn (see git)
LylePerl_ yes
cotto Ok. Can you nopaste the code you're working on? Using tools/dev/nopaste.pl is the easiest way. 01:52
nopaste "cosmic" at 78.86.207.240 pasted "cwd" (16 lines) at nopaste.snit.ch/16273 01:53
LylePerl_ the commented lines are bits I've got working in the past 01:54
at the moment I just need to figure out how to use cwd and chdir from that page
cotto cwd is a method of the OS PMC. 01:55
Infinoid os.'cwd'()
cotto Look at t/pmc/os.t for some complete examples. 01:56
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nopaste "cosmic" at 78.86.207.240 pasted "cwd" (16 lines) at nopaste.snit.ch/16274 01:56
LylePerl_ oops, sorry didn't mean to paste that
cotto np
LylePerl_ hmm, getting undefined identifier 'os' 01:57
I'll look at those test scripts 01:58
yea, perl :) 01:59
dalek rrot: r38108 | jkeenan++ | branches/gc_options_remove:
Create branch to work on trac.parrot.org/parrot/ticket/490.
cotto if you run prove t/pmc/os.t after building Parrot, it'll generate the PIR/PASM files as t/pmc/os_n.pir
LylePerl_ excellent! Thank you very much. cotto++ 02:05
cotto LylePerl_, you're welcome. ooc, what's your interest in Parrot? 02:08
dalek rrot: r38109 | jkeenan++ | branches/gc_options_remove (5 files):
Remove command-line '--gc' option, associated tests and documentation.
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LylePerl_ cotto: Rakudo development 02:21
:)
dalek rrot: r38110 | jkeenan++ | trunk/lib/Parrot/Ops2pm.pm:
Restoring previously deleted code, per Coke's comment in trac.parrot.org/parrot/ticket/489.
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LylePerl_ Hi Infinoid, only just noticed it was you that posted os.'cwd'() 02:25
Infinoid hi LylePerl_ 02:37
Infinoid is doing 10 things at once, but tries to do the occasional flyby
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Infinoid rg++ 03:32
tewk: any chance you can comment on trac.parrot.org/parrot/ticket/530#comment:5 ? 03:33
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cotto LLVM is certainly the flavor of the month. 06:13
There are at least 3 separate proposals for LLVM JIT backends for various language-related projects.
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cotto seen darbelo 09:50
purl darbelo was last seen on #parrot 1 days, 17 hours, 46 minutes and 55 seconds ago, saying: ļæ½ [Apr 13 16:01:17 2009]
cotto Ā³?
wayland It means that, whatever the previous comment was, he thinks it should be cubed :) 10:30
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user hi everyone 11:01
purl Howdy, user, you fantastic person you.
user I was just playing with parrot, got stuck somewhere need somehelp 11:02
is that a bot?
jimmy yes
user failed the turing test on first go then
anyways i was reading through the Episode 1 of implementing Sqaak 11:03
i tried out perl tools/dev/mk_language_shell.pl Squaak 11:04
but the makefile is not getting generated
its saying Can't open perl script "/usr/local/lib/parrot/1.0.0-devel/tools/dev/gen_makefile.pl": No such file or directory
i tried to build cardinal too, but same problem
anyone there? 11:06
wayland I'm here 11:08
now, anyway 11:09
purl i guess now is the time for the Kwisatz Haderach to arise and conquer America on a sandworm army
wayland Question: does that file that it's complaining about exist/
?
user no it does not
i compiled parrot from svn 11:10
should it be there?
in fact there is no tools folder in /usr/local/lib/parrot/1.0.0-devel/
purl Hmm. No matches for that, user.
user purl can you shut up 11:12
purl user: what?
szbalint purl++
wayland I doubt she can -- she gets annoying, but abuse doesn't seem to help 11:13
user wayland can you help me with my problem
wayland When you did make install, did you do "make install" or "make install-dev" 11:14
I doubt I can help, but I can try
user i did make install
wayland The install system is the only part of parrot that I know anything about 11:15
try make install-dev
user good i shall pester you once i get started then :)
ya will try that
wayland Doing that helped me with Rakudo one time when there were some files missing
Well, as soon as I get a Parrot RPM that I can build a Rakudo RPM on top of (and tidy up any messes that I've left :) ), I'm going to leave this channel and just hang out on #perl6, so if you're looking for me, I'll be there 11:17
user yup i see a tools folder, thanks 11:18
I'm more interested in cardinal, i'm a Ruby kid
wayland Well, my planned #perl6 projects that are modular will allow hacking in any language :) 11:19
Within reason. I don't mean Chef, Intercal, or OISC :) 11:20
What's Sqaak? Google failed me
user ohh i read this article introducing Parrot VM www.parrotblog.org/2008/03/targetin...ot-vm.html 11:22
squaak is there test case
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wayland ok 11:23
bacek good evening
wayland Why do I always want to give the Gandalf response to good evening/morning :) 11:24
bacek :)
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mib_rp1p42 tosif, u there ? 12:01
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mib_rp1p42 hi tosif ? 12:04
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purl jonathan was last seen on #parrot 3 days, 20 hours, 33 minutes and 8 seconds ago, saying: I'd love that to change, but like everything, time, effort. :-) [Apr 11 15:33:17 2009]
dalek rrot: r38111 | bacek++ | branches/packfile_revamp/include/parrot/packfile.h:
Generate PASM macros for PF_ANNOTATION_KEY_TYPE
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rrot: r38112 | bacek++ | branches/packfile_revamp/src/pmc/packfileannotationkeys.pmc:
Initial naive implementation setters for PackfileAnnotationKeys
bacek *incoming* :)
rrot: r38113 | bacek++ | branches/packfile_revamp (3 files):
Implement packing of PackfileAnnotations
wayland bacek: It's nothing like the commit message that autarch/Dave Rolsky had for S32/Temporal :) 12:11
bacek wayland: Is it bigger than actual diff? :)
wayland Well, no, but it was more than a screenful of IRC 12:12
maybe 30 lines or so
Very useful description of the changes, though :) 12:13
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Util allison: ping 12:48
purl: msg allison (From yesterday) In chapter 13 (Appx D), I have much planned, but have committed everything actually written. In other chapters, I only have paper notes of which sections need wholesale revision (like Calling Conventions). So, I expect no conflict. For future (after Ch13) edits bigger-than-a-typo, I will announce my intent, or I will proceed however you advise. 12:51
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bacek hi again 12:58
purl oh, you're back!
wayland No, he's bacek, can't you tell the difference? 12:59
bacek She is stupid enough for this...
wayland (bacek: is your name supposed to have non-ascii markers?)
bacek wayland: it's can be written in Cyrillic "as is" :) 13:00
wayland ok. And the pronunciation? I'm inquiring particularly about the 'c' 13:01
bacek It's read as "s" in Russian.
roughly "bacek" is "vasek". With accent on "e" 13:02
wayland Ok, kind of like "Vasil*" => "Basil"? ( I put the * there because I think there's some ending, but can't remember) 13:03
Coke bacek - you from .ru ? 13:04
bacek It's "Š¹". Translates as "y" or "iy".
Coke: originally - yes. Now - .au :) 13:05
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Coke bacek - apparently my family is from belarus. (Koleda) 13:05
bacek wayland: btw, Vasily is Greek name.
Coke: Ah! Do you pronounce your surname with accent on "a"? 13:06
Coke we pronounce it with an emphasis on the long e... but we were imported several generations ago. 13:07
(no real connection to the "homeland". =-)
wayland bacek: I'll keep that in mind. The guy I know whose father has that name was fairly involved in the Russian Orthodox church; I could see (from my ignorant POV) that resulting in a Greek name
Coke ha. reading en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koleda, I see : 13:08
Another speculation is that it derived from the Bulgarian/Macedonian word "..../....." (kolia/kolam), which means "to rip, to kill (a man), to cut animal for eating"
Nice.
bacek Coke: fair enough. It's easy for English speakers.
wayland If I leave off my first name, and use the original spelling for my surname, I'm Sven Nilssen (not sure about the double-s)
Coke . o O (Diado Koleda) 13:09
bacek wayland: "Vasily" derived from "Basilevs" which means something like "kingly" :) 13:11
Coke: :)
wayland Oh, yes, now I remember that much Greek :). I only ever did 17 lessons of Greek, and that was 8 years ago
bacek purl: tell jonathan Packfile PMC are mostly done. 13:22
purl OK, bacek.
rg bacek: i was wondering, will your packfile rework solve the lexicals problem (RT #60652, RT #60650)? 13:29
bacek rg: not yet. At least packfile_revamp branch targeting only Packfile PMCs. 13:30
rg: OTOH I've got more information about bytecode guts now, so I can take a look at those tickets.
Infinoid bacek++ 13:31
bacek Infinoid: not yet. BTW, branch ready to review and landing back. 13:32
Infinoid ok, I'll try to get some review-shaped tuits today. It looks like you've made a ton of commits :) 13:34
bacek Infinoid: not actually. Something like 40-50 only :)
Infinoid Hmm, it'd probably just be easier to just make a checkout and read the code, rather than going sequentially through commits
bacek Most of them in src/pmc/packfile*pmc and t/pmc/packfile*t 13:35
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bacek So you can just check current code :) 13:35
Infinoid Great, will do 13:36
hmm, I have a git-svn checkout with all branches, but when I clone that, the new clone only gets the master branch. how do I mark branches as exported? 13:37
in the git-svn checkout, I guess git doesn't consider them "local" 13:42
bacek Infinoid: git svn pull
ouch.
git svn fetch
git checkout packfile_revamp_local origin/packfile_revamp 13:43
But I didn't try it on "local" repos. 13:44
Infinoid "git branch packfile_revamp_local packfile_revamp" is enough to propagate the branch changes 13:45
but as I'm trying to maintain a git mirror of everything, I'm looking for a cleaner solution
bacek Infinoid: "cleaner" as in? 13:49
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bacek You can always create local branch, reset it to svn branch, and then remove it. 13:50
Infinoid first problem is that "git svn --std-layout" created a bunch of remote branches without the "origin/" prefix 13:51
second problem is I don't know how to automatically make (and update) local branches from the remote ones, such that those changes are propagated to other clones when pulled 13:52
--stdlayout, I mean
PerlJam Infinoid: that's why you should always use the --prefix optino to git-svn
bacek Infinoid: ah. Ok. git checkout -b tempbranch; git svn reset --hard remotes/svn_branch
Infinoid PerlJam: nice, thanks. time to make a new checkout then
bacek or it's just "git reset"... Let me check
PerlJam I don't know of a way to automatically make local tracking branches from remote ones. 13:53
Infinoid I can write a script to do that
PerlJam you probably have to.
Infinoid looping around the output of git branch -r, I guess
thanks, guys. I think I can make a working parrot-all repo from these ideas, to complement the parrot-trunk one I'm already running 13:54
bacek It's almost tomorrow here. See you soon :) 13:56
Coke Infinoid: a wiki page on setting up a local svn-git mirror on trac.parrot.org would probably be helpful.
wayland I'm glad someone understands git :)
Coke (or a pointer on how to use yours if that's appropriate)
bacek afk # Zzzz...
Infinoid Coke: local git-svn is easy, but I can certainly make such a thing. I'm just trying to make this one useful to the general public 13:57
Still not a very good solution, this is all read-only unless I want to allow everyone to make commits under my name (which I don't).
PerlJam Infinoid: you could setup gitosis. 13:58
wayland That sounds like a disease :)
bacek: 'night 13:59
PerlJam Infinoid: do you have access to the parrot svn repo? I.e., can you make hooks? 14:01
Infinoid no
PerlJam bummer. 14:02
you could probably setup a two-way gateway if you did.
you could do it without access to the svn repo, but I'd worry a bit about consistency.
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PerlJam (I was thinking of a post-commit hook that triggers "git svn rebase --all" in the git repo) 14:03
Infinoid maintaining a personal git-svn mirror is a significant barrier to entry, anything I can do to reduce that overhead is good for parrot I think 14:04
but I'd prefer not to mess with svn directly, I don't want to open any security problems
PerlJam Infinoid: you could use git-svn to create the git repo, turn it into a bare repo, setup a cron job to run "git svn rebase --all" once a minute, and a post-receive hook in the git repo to run "git svn dcommit". 14:06
then people should be able to clone from that repo and have up-to-date parrot changes via git.
and when they commit, their changes will be reflected in the svn repo
(as well as the git repo of course) 14:07
But there's probably all sorts of problems with that scheme.
Though it makes a good first approximation I think
Infinoid Yeah, that's pretty close to what I'm doing, without the dcommit part 14:08
PerlJam If you add the post-receive hook, then it won't be so read-only. Any changes pushed to the git repo will be pushed upstream to svn as well. 14:10
Infinoid yeah. I'm doing that by hand at the moment 14:11
PerlJam (of course, you still have to worry about authentication)
Infinoid and of course, it's readonly to everyone but me
msg bacek Is the intention that Packfile.get_string() should ignore the packfile format attributes? I think it might not be reasonable to expect the old packfile code to generate pbcs with foreign byte orders and such... but perhaps the attrs should be reset to defaults in this case? 14:14
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Infinoid msg bacek Also, it looks like the defaults for these things are all 0, if you're creating a new pbc (rather than importing one from a STRING) they will never be set. I'm not sure whether that matters or not, what's your opinion? 14:17
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Infinoid hmm, pdd13 seems a bit unclear about what the valid values of uuid_type are, and whether the uuid is stored in packed binary format or ascii (hex) encoded. packfile.t seems to suggest it's hex 14:21
dalek rrot: r38114 | fperrad++ | trunk/t/codingstd/svn_id.t:
[codingstd] add check for PIR files.
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LylePerl hi 14:33
Coke LylePerl: hello 14:34
(hooks to parrot svn repo) such things could conceivably be added.
Infinoid Thanks, Coke. I'll keep that in mind, but I'd prefer solutions that stay as far away from the svn repo as possible, to reduce the risk of breakage 14:39
Coke as do i. =-) 14:40
t/codingstd/svn_id.t now has a bunch of low hanging fruit. 14:42
... did not wait long enough. 14:43
nevermind.
dalek rrot: r38115 | fperrad++ | trunk (165 files):
[codingstd] add missing $Id
Coke now it only has one failure. =-)
Infinoid My "less" command tries to render .cue files by running them through cdrecord, but it doesn't know how to render .pod files with perldoc. How useful. 14:44
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Coke Infinoid: see the "INPUT PREPROCESSOR" section of 'man less' 14:49
Infinoid Thanks, the default configuration just seems silly :)
Do parrot PMCs support multiple inheritance? Is there a performance penalty? 14:50
Coke I think you can say 'extends' more than one PMC, yes. 14:51
I have no idea how it works, though.
Infinoid I seem to remember some issues with inherited attribute ordering
particle- yes, but i'm not sure since we switched to ATTRs if that's still an issue 14:53
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Infinoid There are quite a few vtable functions in bacek++'s PackfileDirectory that just proxy to Hash, which I thought might be cleaned up a bit by "extends Hash". But I don't feel like opening that particular can of worms right now 14:55
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particle- does PD expose the entire hash interface? 15:07
Coke There's no penalty for using lying and using UNUSED(foo), is there? 15:10
aside from potentially confusing code?
particle- s:1st/using// ??
Coke I am pondering just slapping in UNUSED(interp) /* YMMV */ for the generated code.
particle-: yes. 15:11
rg unfortunately, from what i've seen yesterday, no.
particle- why not #define MAYBE_UNUSED(x) UNUSED(x)
Coke heh. 15:13
I suppose that's slightly less confusing for someone looking at the generated code.
particle- then document the macro, and the curious can make tags-vi and ctrl-t 15:14
i mean vim -t MAYBE_UNUSED
Coke ... I wrote the comment first, damnit. =-) 15:15
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nopaste "infinoid" at 75.5.243.250 pasted "minor_packfile_doc.patch" (172 lines) at nopaste.snit.ch/16276 15:40
Infinoid msg bacek The Packfile PMCs in the packfile_revamp branch look good. nopaste.snit.ch/16276 is a minor patch, with some pod and comment fixes. 15:41
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rg infinoid: why don't you just commit it to the branch (and point to the commit)? 15:48
Infinoid the code review was the important part and he'll probably wake up before I'm done with $realjob 15:53
dalek rrot: r38116 | fperrad++ | trunk/lib/Parrot/Distribution.pm:
[codingstd] handles PASM file as PIR file
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rrot: r38117 | fperrad++ | trunk (8 files):
[codingstd] remove trailing space
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rrot: r38118 | fperrad++ | trunk (9 files):
[codingstd] add missing $Id
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time/
time?
purl time is probably 16:21:55 2009 and (did you mean "clock"?) or flowing like a river
particle- clock?
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dalek rrot: r38119 | fperrad++ | trunk (43 files):
[codingstd] add missing code coda
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dalek rrot: r38120 | allison++ | trunk (5 files):
[book] Reordering chapters as they will appear in the book.
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rrot: r38121 | allison++ | trunk/docs/book (8 files):
[book] Edits to existing chapters.
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rrot: r38122 | allison++ | trunk/docs/book (2 files):
[book] Add new chapters for PGE and NQP.
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rrot: r38123 | allison++ | trunk/docs/book (4 files):
[book] Adding appendices.
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rrot: r38124 | allison++ | trunk/docs/book (2 files):
[book] Splitting out the reference chapter into several.
rrot: r38125 | allison++ | trunk/docs/book/ch04_pir_subroutines.pod:
[book] Merging PIR into one chapter.
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rrot: r38126 | allison++ | trunk/MANIFEST:
[book] Adding new chapters, merging and splitting other chapters.
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rrot: r38127 | allison++ | trunk/docs/book/README:
[book] Update the chapter list.
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dalek rrot: r38128 | allison++ | trunk/docs/book/ch10_opcode_reference.pod:
[book] Split command-line options, directives, and PIR operators into
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davidfetter erm, how do i build the book? 18:19
dalek rrot: r38129 | allison++ | trunk/docs/book/ch10_opcode_reference.pod:
[book] Revert an inadvertent downcasing of the the entire chapter.
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rrot: r38130 | allison++ | trunk/docs/book/ch10_opcode_reference.pod:
[book] Integrate changes from book.
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particle- coke: if we didn't show up at the meeting, we lose the student and slot automatically, so all i did was the same thing, but with a smile :) 18:29
allison purl: msg Util Thanks! I've merged in my edits to the book so far, and will continue working on trunk, so you can commit your changes freely. Thanks for the help! 18:31
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Coke particle++ 18:32
davidfetter allison, um, how to build the book? 18:33
allison davidfetter: You need Pod::PseudoPod and Pod::PseudoPod::LaTeX 18:34
davidfetter k
then what?
allison davidfetter: just Pod::PsuedoPod will get you a nice htmldump, which is plenty for general use
davidfetter: then run ppod2latex
or ppod2html
(both are included in the CPAN modules) 18:35
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dalek rrot: r38131 | coke++ | trunk (2 files):
[cage] fix unused parameter warning and build dependencies for src/nci.c
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Coke (build book) perhaps a make target? 19:08
allison Coke: a good idea, but it has too many external dependencies 19:18
dalek rrot: r38132 | chromatic++ | branches/headercleanup (355 files):
Brought the headercleanup branch up to date with trunk at r37950.
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Coke I'm not saying we have to include the dependencies.
Infinoid: ping. 19:24
hurm. we have functions that don't exist if we don't have ICU - they should probably exist and throw and exception, yes? 19:26
"throw an"
davidfetter eats, shoots, and leaves 19:32
cotto allison, ping 19:39
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dalek rrot: r38133 | chromatic++ | branches/headercleanup (6 files):
Moved src/interp/interpreter.c to src/runcore/main.c, as most of its functions

src/runcore/runcore_guts.h, though it'll move to a real header file shortly.		 19:42
allison cotto: pong 19:46
cotto allison, privmsg 19:47
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allison Coke: yes, dummy functions that throw an exception are sensible 19:51
Infinoid Coke: pong 19:56
Coke Infinoid: if we can enable -Wunused-macros, do we need t/codingstd/c_*assert* ? 20:07
Infinoid ASSERT_ARGS() (and c_arg_assert.t by extension) is a useful seatbelt, even with -Wunused-macros. 20:08
Taking a pointer argument (which was null) and passing it to some other function would satisfy -Wunused-macros but not ASSERT_ARGS() 20:09
hmm. -Wunused-macros would help enforce the SHIM stuff, ASSERT_ARGS is meant to enforce the NONNULL stuff 20:10
oh, wait.
Infinoid had read that as -Wunused-args
how does -Wunused-macros even work? if a #define exists in a header that was included by a source file, but the source file didn't use the #define, it will issue a warning? 20:11
headerizer puts those defines in headers (for public functions) and in the source file (for private functions). If you were to hack headerizer to put them all in the local function, which sounds very appropriate to me, then we wouldn't need t/codingstd/c_*assert* indeed 20:12
s/local function/local file/
(sorry, I'm pretty out of it today) 20:13
dalek kudo: a4535c1 | pmichaud++ | docs/spectest-progress.csv:
spectest-progress.csv update: 362 files, 10357 passing, 0 failing
shorten dalek's url is at xrl.us/beo5q8
rg infinoid: manual says: "Warn about macros defined in the main file that are unused." so it doesn't apply to anything defined in headers.
Infinoid yeah, that's the concern. 20:14
It would be nice if headerizer put all these things in the local source file anyway, rather than cluttering up include/
hmm. except for functions inside of #if JIT or #ifdef WIN32 or whatever, those wouldn't work very well with -Wunused-macros 20:17
rg and i think for jit it would complain *a lot* 20:19
Infinoid there are a lot of both of those. I was thinking of src/io/socket_win32.c too 20:20
rg ah no, i'm misremembering that. those emit definitions are just a header file.
Infinoid there are several cases where the whole file are in #if blocks
though... hmm. Suppose you could just put the headerizer block inside the #if too
a fix for the old_blocks warning in compilers/imcc/pbc.c could fix this too. 20:22
Coke came here for an argument. 20:24
Infinoid I'm pretty good at arguing with myself, as you can see 20:26
Coke hurm. PARROT_DOES_NOT_RETURN does not seem to satisfy -Wmissing-noreturn 20:29
(though I could be misreading. some pmc methods that don't return aren't decorated) 20:32
GeJ Good morning everyone 20:33
Coke sixcall? 20:40
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Coke there. I think I have updated the sixperl event in the parrot google calendar properly (had to delete and re-add) 20:44
particle- missed the darned call again 20:49
Coke particle-: now you can set a reminder on the CLP calendar. 20:52
pmichaud I missed the call also. 20:55
Coke ah, I think we thought you were travelling to ... nordia. 20:56
pmichaud well, I'm here, yes.
so I have a valid excuse. :-)
particle- they have skype there 20:57
pmichaud I figured it'd be okay for me to miss this one call :-)
uUnless I missed something important. In which case, too bad for me (I'll read the minutes). 20:58
particle- three in a row for me, and i have news of gsoc :(
pmichaud What's the CLP calendar?
Coke comp.lang.parrot calendar visible at www.parrot.org
you can click on the big "+" there to sub to it.
particle- search for comp.lang.parrot 20:59
pmichaud just added it to my google calendar.
The times for the #parrotsketch meeting seem off in my calendar. The sixperl conference is correct, though. 21:00
particle- aha! i need to re-add goosync to my phone after a firmware update
Coke pmichaud: I just fixed sixperl. 21:01
I may need to fix parrotsketch, also. 21:02
(I think the original elements were added in a DST field)
parrotsketch?
purl parrotsketch is a status meeting for parrot core committers held every Tuesday at 18:30 UTC in #parrotsketch
particle- i thought i fixed that, but i may not have
Coke could be google sucks. yah, it's off by an hour, fixing...
updated. 21:04
there is also www.google.com/calendar/hosted/col...a/New_York 21:05
shorten Coke's url is at xrl.us/beo5xn
Coke er..
that's not the original url. =-)
perl review has a calendar that includes workshops, etc. just found that today.
that cal name is "The Perl Review: Perl Community Events" 21:06
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dalek rrot: r38134 | allison++ | trunk/docs/book/ch10_opcode_reference.pod:
[book] Clean up references to the chapter number.
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dalek rrot: r38135 | allison++ | trunk/docs/book/ch09_pasm.pod:
[book] Update chapter references in PASM chapter.
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dalek rrot: r38136 | whiteknight++ | trunk/docs/book (8 files):
lots of misc fixes for the book, a lot of whitespace cleanups (I know whitespace policies in docs/* aren't as rigorous as they are in src/* but I'm a stickler), etc
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Whiteknight oh, I didn't realize allison++ was working on the book too 23:11
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Whiteknight will find a different hobby for the rest of the evening 23:11
kid51 duelling edits! May the best red pencil win! 23:12
allison: Can you set your editor to wrap at 78 chars per line in .pod files? 23:14
We're getting failures on the linelength.t test. 23:15
Example: docs/book/ch05_pge.pod 23:16
allison kid51: I think it's because some of the files I split out don't have the standard "coda" with editor information in them. will fix
oh, that's because I imported content from the old book
dalek rrot: r38137 | allison++ | trunk/docs/book/ch01_introduction.pod:
[book] Adding index entries for the various roles.
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allison kid51: I also (unfortunately) lost Coke's "TODO" markings on some of the code examples because they couldn't be parsed by an ordinary Pod parser. 23:21
Whiteknight I fixed a few long lines too, I'll go back through later 23:22
kid51 thx
Whiteknight allison, when are you looking to get this book more "finished"?
allison Whiteknight: in the few weeks 23:23
Whiteknight I can spend more energy on it now if it's higher-priority
okay
allison Printing by June 1st
Whiteknight oh wow. Sooner then I expected. What publisher?
allison Onyx Neon Press 23:24
Whiteknight Okay, I sort of assumed it would have been O'Reilly
not that it matters, of course 23:25
allison O'Reilly loses money if a book sells fewer than 10,000 copies
Whiteknight oh, wow. I didn't suspect their margins were so small. That makes more sense then 23:26
(probably why my book proposal got rejected) 23:27
allison what was your proposal?
Whiteknight It was a book about open-education technologies, like wikis
Util allison: Were the Perl 6 chapters of the book released to us by O'Reilly, or just the Parrot chapters? 23:28
allison Util: the entire book was released by O'Reilly
Whiteknight I was working with researchers from ODU and Manchester U on the topic, and proposed a book about it
allison the perl chapters live at svn.perl.org/perl6
Tene_ allison: progress on the HLL PMC issues?
allison Util: it could also be updated into a separate book
Tene: I got your message about the hll_info branch, is that what you mean? 23:29
Tene_ No. I can't move rakudo to .HLL 'perl6' because its pmcs break. 23:30
allison Whiteknight: sounds like an interesting book, but yes, not enough sales for O'Reilly to publish
Tene_ they go in the 'parrot' HLL namespace or something.
there's a ticket, I think...
allison Tene: ah, because there's no way to tell C PMCs to associate with a particular HLL
Tene: it's not something I've looked at lately 23:31
kid51 Those docs files will also need to be fixed for svn:keywords and svn:eol-style native tests in t/distro/file_metadata.t.
allison kid51: I'll do that now
Tene_ allison: it's a blocker in getting rakudo into a .HLL, which is necessary if any other language wants to use Perl 6 code. 23:32
Whiteknight Tene_: What are the requirements? How do we fix it? 23:33
Tene_ I haven't had the focus to figure out how to do it myself for a few months now... haven't been sleeping.
Whiteknight: C PMCs need to be accessible from code in an HLL. I think this is namespace related. They always go in the 'parrot' hll ns, and then nothing can find them. 23:35
i.e. perl6scalar, etc.
Whiteknight doesn't the "group" specification do that? 23:36
or, shouldn't it?
Tene_ there's also an HLL specification
but, dunno
allison Whiteknight: the 'group' is for compiling the C shared lib
dalek rrot: r38138 | allison++ | trunk/docs/book (8 files):
[book] Setting svn properties on new book files.
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allison The problem is that C PMCs don't actually pay any attention to namespaces
Whiteknight Okay, I guess I just don't understand why they would need to follow namespaces at all 23:38
I wasn't aware that namespaces were involved at all
Whiteknight apparently needs to browse a little bit more code 23:39
Tene_ lemmeook
Coke_afk (lost pod markers on code) that sucks, as now your editor will have to manually insure that all the code snippets work. 23:56
allison Coke: It kept the POD markers, it just lost the TODO additions 23:57
so, =begin PIR and =end PIR are still there 23:58
Coke: but it couldn't figure out what to do with "=begin PIR TODO some text"
Coke: maybe we can mark TODOs another way? 23:59

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