Parrot 1.2.0 released | parrot.org/ | 305 RTs left | Weekly Priority: Apply Patches, Fix Bugs, Close Tickets
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dalek rrot: r39162 | jkeenan++ | branches/better_install_tools/t/tools/pmc2c.t:
Apply same correction as supplied by NotFound in trunk re trac.parrot.org/parrot/ticket/703.
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dalek rrot: r39163 | jkeenan++ | trunk/lib/Parrot/Docs/Section/Developer.pm:
Correct use of hard tabs to conform to coding standard.
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rrot: r39164 | jkeenan++ | branches/better_install_tools (3 files):
Per coding standards: fix hard tabs, absence of copyright, trailing whitespace.
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kid51 wayland ping 01:07
dalek rrot: r39165 | jkeenan++ | trunk (12 files):
Merge better_install_tools branch into trunk. This branch superseded the install_tools branch but had the same objective: Refactor code found in both tools/dev/install_files.pl and tools/dev/install_dev_files.pl out of those files, place in lib/Parrot/Install.pm, test those subroutines. Cf.: trac.parrot.org/parrot/ticket/426. wayland++ for initiating this project and keeping it moving forward.
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rrot: r39166 | jkeenan++ | branches/better_install_tools:
Branch has been merged into trunk and is no longer needed at HEAD.
purl i already had it that way, dalek.
rrot: r39167 | jkeenan++ | branches/install_tools:
Branch was superseded by better_install_tools branch, which in turn has been merged into trunk; this branch is no longer needed at HEAD.
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Whiteknight it's so cute when the bots converse with each other 01:25
wayland oh, I'm here now! 01:27
kid51 wayland: all your wishes have come true ;-) trac.parrot.org/parrot/ticket/426#comment:19 01:30
wayland All my Parrot wishes, anyway! :) 01:33
GeJ hum, got a 304 error again, this time for '/parrot/!svn/bc/39164/branches/better_install_tools/lib/Parrot/Install.pm'
anyone witnessing this?
I think cotto had it too.
dalek TT #434 closed by jkeenan++: [TODO] tools/dev/install_files.pl: track bin here to check later below 01:34
wayland kid51++ :)
kid51 Geraud: That branch is now history! I just merged it into trunk 16 minutes ago (r39165) and deleted it from head in 39166. 01:35
wayland msg purl karma kid51
purl Message for purl stored.
wayland Hmm. I guess purl must not do karma :)
Whiteknight karma kid51 01:36
purl kid51 has karma of 74
GeJ James: I'm not so much concerned about the content of the file, but more about why I get those errors.
wayland ok, thanks :)
GeJ like filesystem getting b0rked on the svn server, or something. 01:37
Whiteknight WORKSFORME 01:38
wayland I get svn: Server sent unexpected return value (304 Not Modified) in response to GET request for '/parrot/!svn/bc/39164/branches/better_install_tools/lib/Parrot/Install.pm'
kid51 Someone got one of these errors yesterday, but since our logging program was off line I can't remember who. In any case, it cleared up quickly.
wayland ...while doing an "svn up" on trunk 01:39
kid51 wayland: Well, if you did that just now, that doesn't surprise me.
The branch no longer appears at HEAD in our repository.
wayland But doing an "svn up" on trunk?
kid51 I clean up my branches as soon as I commit 'em. 01:40
Hrrrm, yeah, I can't explain that.
GeJ that makes 3 of us.
dalek TT #586 closed by jkeenan++: tools/dev/install_files.pl: bug masked by missing file in ...
wayland My plan I guess is to wait for an hour, and if it still doesn't work, to do a clean checkout
kid51 But, as was the case yesterday, I just did an 'svn up'
But, as was the case yesterday, I just did an 'svn up' in trunk and everything came in properly. 01:41
wayland Well, I'll see what happens on a second "svn up"
kid51 Ah, that gives me a hint: This is the sort of commit where a 'make realclean' might be the trick.
wayland Incidentally, can you give me a pointer to where my bug was? 01:43
kid51 Yes.
gimme a minute.
... and it may have been my bug rather than yours, as it was a search-and-replace sort of error. 01:44
wayland Oh, ok
kid51 vi +123 lib/Parrot/Install.pm
In the branch(es), the 3rd argument to catdir() was $dest. It needed to be $filehash->{Dest}. 01:45
wayland My second "svn up" seems to be somewhat happier, so I'll wait for that to finish
oh, ok.
A SillyError, rather than a LogicalError :) 01:46
kid51 When I wrote the 'overall' tests, I tried to make sure that I was supplying at least one (dummy) file for each block inside Parrot::Install. The test was reporting that it couldn't find the 'runtime' file where it expected it to be -- and where trunk had been getting it right all along. Eventually I realized that having '$dest' as the 3rd argument to that catdir() was wrong, as it failed to take into account the trimming of 01:48
'/runtime/parrot' that took place in the immediately preceding line.
ISTR a post by Ovid on use.perl sometime in the last year in which he recommended usage of such wrapper tests as a starting point in refactoring programs where little of the code had been modularized. 01:50
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kid51 This was a case in point. 01:50
Our tests of individual subroutines would not have detected that error.
wayland Exactly 01:51
kid51 We might, in the future, be able to get to the point where 'install_files.pl' contains nothing but calls to Parrot::Install subs/methods. 01:52
If so, then testing all the methods in order would be equivalent to doing a wrapper test of the .pl file.
But that's a ways off.
wayland Agreed. But install_files.pl has some code that install_dev_files doesn't, and I think someone who actually understands this code should have a look at those first :)
kid51 Well, I certainly understand the code *better* now than I did two months ago. 01:53
wayland I think a smaller sub-goal would be to get install_files and install_dev_files to be the same script with different parameters
But I don't have a good enough grip on things to do that
kid51 Example: it was only yesterday that I fully realized that the two programs install completely different sets of files.
wayland oh, ok
Well, I think install_dev_files does a superset of the other 01:54
kid51 'make install-dev' will do 'make install' if the latter hasn't been done.
wayland ah, I understand
kid51 but the two .pl files install distinct sets.
wayland ok, that's a new one on me
You'll notice that the one change I made that actually wasn't mentioned in the ticket was to make the file selection part a command-line option 01:55
kid51 implication: Some of the blocks in install_dev_files.pl may not actually install any files, because there are no files in the manifests that fall into the requisite 'meta' categories.
AAMOF, I *didn't* notice that change. Where is it? 01:56
wayland GetOptions call, or wherever. I'll have a look 01:57
Line 136 in install_files.pl 01:59
The one called "packages"
(well, that's the line that's in HEAD now) 02:00
Originally it was a string in the code somewhere
So I made it a command line option, and the default is the same as the original string in the code
kid51 Well, I see that that sets a default value in %options for key 'packages' ... but I don't see any use of that farther down in the code.
wayland It's in lines_to_files 02:01
line 103 in Install.pm 02:02
kid51 okay, i see it now
wayland Passing options_ref is evil, but I liked it better than the alternatives 02:03
And options_ref wouldn't have to be created by GetOptions, if we ever wanted to use the function in some other way 02:04
kid51 is running Devel::Cover over install code. 02:05
... and, not surprisingly, that thing I missed on line 103 is one of the few uncovered branches in Parrot::Install: thenceforward.net/parrot/coverage/i...all-t.html 02:09
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dalek TT #703 closed by jkeenan++: t/tools/pmc2c.t: Two test failures 02:16
moderator Parrot 1.2.0 released | parrot.org/ | 304 RTs left | Weekly Priority: Apply Patches, Fix Bugs, Close Tickets 02:23
kid51 must sleep 02:23
purl $kid51->sleep(8 * 3600);
wayland kid51: Actually, I'm kinda wrong. While the change wasn't directly involved in the refactor, it was a part of helping to eliminate duplicate code.
kid51: Thanks. You've been working hard (judging by all the tickets closed). :) 02:24
if you're going to bed, then goodnight :)
dalek cnum-dynpmcs: r61 | darbelo++ | trunk/src/pmc/decnum.pmc:
Add i_add*, i_subtract*, i_multiply* and i_divide* VTABLES to DecNum.
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bacek darbelo: consider to implement "foo" using "i_foo". And don't mark those methods as MULTI. They are just VTABLEs. 02:32
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darbelo bacek: I just s/MULTI/VTABLE/ for i_add and the build choked on the generated signature: "Parrot_DecNum_i_add(PARROT_INTERP, PMC *pmc, DecNum value)". What did I miss? 02:45
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dalek rrot: r39168 | petdance++ | trunk/src/pic.c:
removed unused parrot_pic_move
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bacek darbelo: It should be "PMC*", not DecNum in signature 03:14
darbelo: VTABLE void i_add(PMC *value). 03:15
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darbelo I'd have to determine the incoming type inside the function and handle that myself right? 03:17
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bacek darbelo: yes. Check TT#452 ( or tt452_reduce_mmd branch) 03:20
As easies solution for now you can provide 2 MULTIs - add(DecNum) and add(DEFAULT) 03:21
because your current code doesn't use DecNum in "DecNum + Integer" 03:22
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darbelo Read the ticket. What I should do is ditch all MULTIs, and implement functions that are able handle all PMCs. 03:29
bacek, I don't understand what you men by ' doesn't use DecNum in "DecNum + Integer"' 03:30
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bacek darbello: You've got onlye one multi - add(DecNum, DecNum). There is no multi for add(DecNum, Integer) 03:48
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Andy ping infinoid 04:02
purl I can't find infinoid in the DNS.
darbelo bacek, It's actually INTVAL. I made it in order to use pir 'literals' in the examples. It only handles $Ix registers, an Integer PMC would fail. 04:05
"$P1 = new 'DecNum'; $P1 = 5; $P1 -=1.3333333334 " 04:08
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bacek "$P1 -=1.3333333334" calls i_subtruct_float 04:12
darbelo: Try add "MULTI i_add(DEFAULT value) { VTABLE_i_add_float(INTERP, SELF, VTABLE_get_number(value))" 04:13
it will DTRT in The Very Inefficient Way 04:14
darbelo Heh, I've already hacked something similar :) 04:18
Only more inefficient
nopaste "darbelo" at 190.3.154.132 pasted "The Even More Inefficient Way" (12 lines) at nopaste.snit.ch/16657 04:19
darbelo If that paste turns out to be faster than MULTI then something is VERY wrong with the world. 04:22
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darbelo Say, is there a way to tell the GC "Keep an eye on this guy here, he won't last long". For temp PMCs and the like? 04:28
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bacek darbelo: You can try temporary_pmc_new. But think twice before doing it. 04:52
bacek hope that Whiteknight will implement Generation GC sooner than later... 04:53
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wayland Is Generation GC before or after Generation X ? :) 05:07
darbelo GC cleans up after X
bacek wayland: after Compacting :)
darbelo bacek: don't worry, not going to do it. Allocating a PMC for what I'm doing is silly. I was just wondering if there was something available for those cases where you can't avoid temporary PMCs. 05:11
wayland Sounds painful :)
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dalek a: cb23d8e | fperrad++ | src/pmc/lua (5 files):
do some PMC initializations with mem_allocate_typed instead of mem_allocate_zeroed_typed
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dalek rrot: r39169 | chromatic++ | trunk/src/pmc/codestring.pmc:
[PMC] Fixed POD in CodeString PMC so that only documentation appears with
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purl i think perldoc is the documentation system for Perl topics, including language features and modules or at <perldoc.perl.org/> or M-x cperl-perldoc in emacs or C-c C-h P 07:50
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Austin_Hastings One problem with having your "go and load my language's library" code in a function stored in the library is that unfortunately it isn't quite available when you need it. :( 11:26
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bacek hi there 11:34
wayland Hi where? Where? Oh, here! Ok, Hi from Melbourne :) 11:35
Austin_Hastings Good morning, Bacek. (&wayland) 11:37
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bacek clock? 11:37
purl bacek: LAX: Mon 4:38am PDT / CHI: Mon 6:38am CDT / NYC: Mon 7:38am EDT / LON: Mon 12:38pm BST / BER: Mon 1:38pm CEST / IND: Mon 5:08pm IST / TOK: Mon 8:38pm JST / SYD: Mon 9:38pm EST / 11:38
bacek Austin_Hastings: : Mon 9:38pm EST! It's almost tomorrow there!
Austin_Hastings They never mention Guam. 11:39
wayland Austin_Hastings: Is that where you are? 11:45
Austin_Hastings: good localtime() :)
Austin_Hastings Nope. 11:49
I'm here in New Jersey, on the east coast of the US.
But Guam is "Where America's Day begins" 11:50
And since Bacek was commenting on how it's almost tomorrow where you are, wayland, I figured I'd give some credit to the 15 people and six million lizards (more or less) on the island. 11:52
wayland The sun never sets on the American Empire, eh? :) 11:56
Except maybe in darkest Africa. I guess the British Empire had one up on you there :)
Austin_Hastings Hey, we got satellites. We know where the sun is at all times. 11:57
wayland Hmm. Do satellites count as territory?
Austin_Hastings I don't know. But I know the sun can't get away from us.
wayland And I guess you have embassies in Africa, which are officially US soil if I understand :) 11:58
Austin_Hastings Sure, but the same argument applies to North Korea, too. (Presuming they have an embassy in Africa...)
bacek Hey! Sun was bought by Oracle. So it will stay
wayland Every little country can have their own British Empire :)
But Oracle sponsors sailing yachts, and they go all around the world :) 11:59
bacek Just to follow the Sun :) 12:00
Austin_Hastings Don't they require that whatshisname be on board?
Ellison?
purl i guess Ellison is sort of evil too, isn't he. ;)
wayland I thought that was "on the board"
Purl: Although you have to admit that he has a cool first name
purl wayland: what?
Austin_Hastings Got me. Sailboat = hole in water, IMO. 12:01
bacek "on the director's board"
Austin_Hastings Ahh.
wayland Austin_Hastings: I can't help but notice that you're named after two towns :)
Austin_Hastings Three, if you include my middle name. 12:02
wayland Are you willing to tell us?
Austin_Hastings Grant.
There are six U.S. states that have both an "Austin" and a "Hastings" in them. 12:03
wayland Ah, ok. Where's "Grant"
Oh, I was thinking of Hastings in England (1066, etc)
Austin_Hastings en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grant 12:04
Sure, but is there an Austin in England?
Four of the six also have a Grant in them.
wayland I think they imported one, but had to convert it to left-hand drive :)
Austin_Hastings FL, CA, MN, WV
wayland Thanks :)
Austin_Hastings LOL
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Austin_Hastings In fact, I inherited the last name, but mom did name me after the city in Texas. I think everyone else was doing "dakota" and stuff. 12:06
bacek Austin_Hastings: At least you are not named after pet, like Indiana :)
Austin_Hastings :)
wayland I missed that 12:07
Why is Indiana a pet?
Austin_Hastings Indiana Jones reference
bacek wayland: Indiana Jones
purl Indiana Jones is probably well done
wayland ok
I've only seen Temple of Doom
And read a comic with "Oklahoma Bones" in it. It was a parody :) 12:08
bacek ouch... It's not the good start...
wayland The funniest thing in the parody is where the gopher hero, Oklahoma Bones, is getting interrogated by some rats during the animal equivalent of the second world war
...
bacek Comparing to 1000 lawyers on ocean's bottom :)
wayland and the rats say "We are from Ratzi Verminy" 12:09
Austin_Hastings :)
wayland Well, there's one problem with 1000 lawyers on the ocean's bottom... 12:10
...it's not a visible enough deterrent :)
Austin_Hastings Ahh! I'm in hell. 12:14
Namespace hell, it would seem.
My code has begun working unpredictably, apparently caused by collisions with already-defined subs in the [] namespace 12:15
wayland Named after Flamespace hell?
Austin_Hastings Named, I think, after DLL hell. As the parrot team works to converge with Windows NT... 12:17
bacek pretty sure that Austin_Hastings doing it wrong. AGAIN! :) 12:23
Austin_Hastings Thanks for the vote of confidence. :) 12:24
jonathan Austin_Hastings: Are you running your language in its own HLL? 12:25
Austin_Hastings Yeppers. Forgot the ':anon'
jonathan (We lost a bunch of conflicts when we moved Rakudo into a HLL) 12:26
Austin_Hastings jonathan: Yes. But currently it generates no namespace data.
So everything is in []
jonathan Well, if you have a .HLL directive, it's implicity in yourlang.
Austin_Hastings nope. 12:27
I'm still trying to get my head around the whole namespace thing. 12:28
Like, what stuff goes in _close versus close? And is there a way to extract symbol info from a library at the parser/compiler level, to I can define the symbols that are being imported?
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Austin_Hastings Hey, here's a question: Given that there are basically three execution modes for code (:init, :load, and :main) how can I tell which one applies? 12:34
bacek In Soviet Russia :main will :load you during :init! 12:39
oh wait..
Austin_Hastings laugh
In Russia, President assassinate you!
Right now I'm doing some kind of lame reverse-dispatch, but it would be cooler if I didn't need to. 12:40
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wayland Austin_Hastings: Has to be Soviet. We don't want to upset the Russians in this channel :) 12:42
bacek Austin_Hastings: docs/pdd/pdd19_pir
Austin_Hastings Da? I have it on-screen now. 12:43
jonathan Austin_Hastings: :load = when the thingy is load_bytecode'd. :init = when it's init when the file is run directly. :main is the way to mark the entry point.
bacek ... one ring to bind them all 12:44
Austin_Hastings And I had to code up some "set the called-from-init flag" and "set the called-from-load flag" routines to reverse the dispatch so I would know what was going on.
I was wondering if there was a flag or something that I could just check... 12:45
bacek Austin_Hastings: consider different architecture of your program, so you don't have to check such silly flags
wayland The Russian Flag, of course!
(sorry, I don't know much about Parrot, so my alternatives are jokes XOR quiet) 12:46
Austin_Hastings 'sok wayland. At least you don't seem like a robot.
bacek O RLY? 12:47
purl NOWAI!
bacek :)
Austin_Hastings bacek: My language works by defining subs. It then comes to a question of which sub gets called. So in my runtime-init code I want to understand the parrot mode, so I can pass it along.
bacek Austin_Hastings: just mark your "init-all-my-requred-stuff" sub with :init and :load. That's it 12:49
Austin_Hastings That's about what I'm doing. But I wonder if there's a way to wait until all the :init / :load stuff is done? 12:50
bacek And probably :anon as well to not pollute namespace
Austin_Hastings Nah, that's what _close is for, no?
bacek It's impossible. Because you can "loadlib" later which will cause :load to invoke. 12:51
Austin_Hastings Yeah.
But that wouldn't be on code already loaded. 12:52
(would it?)
bacek It can be different PBC.
Austin_Hastings Right.
bacek Which can include bytecode from your library 12:53
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Austin_Hastings Unable to open filehandle from path '-le' 12:53
Now my parrot works, and the stupid test harness doesn't. Grr. 12:58
Aha. TAP::Harness is missing. 13:10
Oh, and bacek - uninitialized registers get some strange values. 13:19
Subtraction NYI. :( 13:20
bacek Austin_Hastings: NYI or "Can't find multi blah-blah"? 13:21
jonathan Austin_Hastings: YOu shouldn't rely on I and N registers to be initialized to anything for you. 13:25
(string and pmc ones will be init'd to NULL and PMCNULL respectively)
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Austin_Hastings Bacek: nyi. I didn't need it yet. 13:31
jonathan: I'm actually glad they do something crazy - makes it feel almost like a real processor.
jonathan Austin_Hastings: Well, it's a promise Parrot doesn't have to make, which'll let it be that little more optimizable. 13:35
wayland >parrot_config revision 13:38
0
How did I get that?
Austin_Hastings That's pretty old, dude. 13:39
I'm at like 39142
wayland Well, but I just built a new parrot :)
From SVN
As an RPM 13:40
SO I figure it must be a bug 13:42
Anyway, it's time for me to go to bed. I'll have to worry about that bug tomorrow 13:43
Austin_Hastings Well, good night wayland. 13:44
wayland 'night :)
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pancake why rakudo depends on specific versions of parrot? 14:38
can I force it to build directly against parrot-head?
NotFound pancake: just do it 14:39
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pancake NotFound: how? 14:52
ah!, configure only warns :)
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NotFound pancake: I just put the directory with the binaries in PATH and Configure 14:53
The parrot binaries, that is. 14:55
pancake parrot lives in /usr
why rakudo cannot find it?
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NotFound I use a local install in a directory under home 14:56
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dalek kudo: 3eb18eb | jnthn++ | src/classes/Object.pir:
Refactor class creation somewhat. We now have a kind of proto-instance (which ain't - yet anyway - the proto-object) that we set up once with all of the containers, and then we clone it. This is a step on the road to being able to do traits on attributes right and also to allowing custom BUILDs. We temporarily regress on 1 spectest (not 1 file, just 1 test).
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dalek rrot: r39170 | NotFound++ | trunk/src/global.c:
[cage] some refactor and nano-optimization in src/global.c, no functional changes
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kudo: b0e33e2 | jnthn++ | (4 files):
Add a stub p6opaque, and start making objects we create use that instead of Object as their repr. Fill out its clone vtable method enough to un-regress the test my last commit had us fail. This also lays the foundations for starting dispatch refactor.
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dalek rrot: r39171 | NotFound++ | trunk/examples/streams/Bytes.pir:
[examples] fix streams/Bytes
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kudo: d23ef7a | moritz++ | t/spectest.data:
[t/spectest.data] three more passing test files
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moritz lolcode: VISIBLE "OH HAI"
polyglotbot OUTPUT[error:imcc:syntax error, unexpected $end ('Ć¾')ā¤ in file '/home/tene/parrot-build2/runtime/parrot/library/config.pbc' line 1ā¤OH HAIā¤] 19:05
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dalek kudo: 37e6703 | jnthn++ | src/ops/perl6.ops:
Oops, mistake in the .ops file.
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Tene moritz: sorry, I fell asleep last time I started updating polyglotbot, and never finished. 20:45
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PacoLinux rakudo with parrot trunk is giving me core; making parrot with realclean 21:01
after realclean is all ok 21:11
GeJ realclean ++
NotFound Someone has used new as identifier again 21:14
p6opaque.pmc
I'll make a list of the perpatrators and give it to Stroustrup :P 21:15
nopaste "NotFound" at 213.96.228.50 pasted "p6opaqe patch: Don't use c++ reserved words" (17 lines) at nopaste.snit.ch/16662 21:22
moritz hilights jonathan to look at the above nopaste 21:23
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jonathan NotFound: bwah, I have no fear of Stroustrup. :-P 21:48
I'll defeat him with my +1 hammer of real language backward compability 21:49
darbelo I think more names are needed to change Stroustrup's mind this late in the game ;) 21:52
NotFound Compatibility is good, but sometimes you need something new 21:53
jonathan NotFound: no, you need something _new :-P 21:54
NotFound catch'ed 21:55
jonathan NotFound: Applied the patch, thanks. :-) 21:57
dalek kudo: 2376c44 | jnthn++ | src/pmc/p6opaque.pmc:
Fix build on C++. Patch courtesy of NotFound++.
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dalek TT #704 created by amk++: Minor markup/grammar fix for Parrot book 22:44
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wayland Does anyone else here have a copy of parrot that's had "make install" or "make install-dev" done on it? 23:34
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cotto wayland, sure. why? 23:43
although it's broken in recent revisions 23:44
last I checked
wayland I want someone to run parrot_config revision and tell me whether they get a sensible answer :) 23:47
Mine says "0"
And since it's yesterday's SVN, I'm pretty sure that it's more recent than that :)
cotto make install-dev works now 23:50
are you using svk?
istr that Parrot doesn't dtrt in figuring out the revision number with some alternative svn interfaces. 23:52
it works sanely for me
cotto@feather:~\\ $ parrot_config revision
39171

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