Parrot 2.8.0 released | parrot.org Log: irclog.perlgeek.de/parrot/today | Nopaste: nopaste.snit.ch:8001 | test gc_massacre branch | close 25 tickets; remove deprecated items (especially CodeString);
Set by moderator on 21 September 2010.
chromatic GB allocation sizes seem big. 00:03
mikehh All tests PASS (pre/post-config, make corevm/make coretest, smoke (#204) fulltest) at r49279 - Ubuntu 10.10 beta amd64 (g++-4.5 with --optimize) 00:14
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bacek_at_work aloha, insult bacek 00:15
aloha, karma aloha 00:16
aloha bacek_at_work: aloha has karma of 0.
bacek_at_work aloha++
aloha bacek_at_work: Thanks!
bacek_at_work aloha, karma aloha
aloha bacek_at_work: aloha has karma of 1.
bacek_at_work ok, it works
I moved aloha to my box at $work
It should be little bit more reliable
mikehh bacek_at_work: you all should set it up on parrot.org 00:23
bacek_at_work mikehh, probably. But I don't have access to feather
mikehh bacek_at_work: you need to get the latest karma details from moritz 00:24
bacek_at_work mikehh, yes. But first I want to rewrite Karma module from Bot::BasicBot. 00:25
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sorear bacek_at_work: Juerd hands out feather accounts like there's no tomorrow 00:25
you can even ask for a sudoers bit and you'll get it 00:26
bacek_at_work sorear, :)
mikehh bacek_at_work: 'k, you got it on github or anything?
bacek_at_work mikehh, nope. It's on cpan
but aloha on github.
sorear (however, Juerd says he doesn't want anyone else using sudo adduser for paperwork's sake) 00:27
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whiteknight eventually I would like to set up a server like feather for parrot 00:32
I dont think the parrot.org VM has enough muscle 00:33
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mikehh hmmn - the last email I got from parrot was 12 hours ago - r49275 (there have been at least 4 commits since then and I am sure other mail) 01:08
chromatic Same here. 01:09
dalek TT #1801 created by bacek++: Properly merge pools in GC MS2 when child interpreter destroyed. 01:15
TT #1801: trac.parrot.org/parrot/ticket/1801
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dalek rrot: r49280 | bacek++ | trunk/src/gc/gc_ms2.c:
Uncomment soon-to-be-used code in gc_ms2_finalize
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rrot: r49281 | bacek++ | trunk/t/op/gc-non-recursive.t:
Add test for TT#1723
TT #1723 closed by bacek++: [bug] linked lists result in segfaults 01:32
TT #1723: trac.parrot.org/parrot/ticket/1723
TT #1753 closed by bacek++: PMC attribute blocks not aligned
TT #1753: trac.parrot.org/parrot/ticket/1753
moderator Parrot 2.8.0 released | parrot.org Log: irclog.perlgeek.de/parrot/today | Nopaste: nopaste.snit.ch:8001 | close 25 tickets; remove deprecated items (especially CodeString); 01:32
kid51_at_dinnner msg Coke how do we file bug tickets with osuosl.org re mail not functioning? 01:43
aloha OK. I'll deliver the message.
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kid51 I filed ticket at support@osuosl.org 01:51
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plobsing why does PCC handle Key PMC arguments specially? 03:29
chromatic Where? 03:31
plobsing clone_key_arg
src/call/args.c:389 03:32
passing an argument of type key clones the key (which replaces the register components of the clone with values from the caller's context)
seems like a nifty shortcut, but makes working with keys harder (eg: compilers) 03:33
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bacek_at_work plobsing, Key part can reference something like "PMC register". After call we'll have different CallContext. So, this "PMC register" have to be propagated to new CallContext 03:40
from original one
plobsing yes, but a Key accessible from a PMC register isn't associated with a context. it is a object, nothing more. 03:41
keys associated with contexts only occur as arguments to special keyed ops
what I'm running into: .sub 'crash'; $P0 = new ['Key']; $P0.'set_register'(1, 4); sub_call($P0) .end 03:42
bacek_at_work Key.get_foo can access PMC within particular CallContext
plobsing OK, then how are you supposed to work with keys as generic objects? 03:43
bacek_at_work they are not "generic" enough.
Personally, I hate them 03:44
trac.parrot.org/parrot/ticket/903 03:45
plobsing giving them carte blanche to access the callframe screws up any optimization you could hope to acheive.
*at the pir lel
s/lel/level/
bacek_at_work agreed 03:48
plobsing bacek_at_work: I'm with you on getting rid of them outright. But short of that, I'd like them to at least be a lot less magical. 03:50
bacek_at_work plobsing, heh. I did a lot of cleanups making Keys less magical already. Last step is to kill them all.
chromatic If we do anything with Keys, can we also consider having *one* way to navigate nested NameSpaces? 03:52
If we're going to use polymorphism in Parrot, we should pretend we understand it.
plobsing chromatic: how many ways do we have to do it now? 03:57
chromatic Keys, RSAs, FSAs, STRINGs, String PMCs, and I think that's it. 03:59
plobsing but then how would I use a different way per weekday? 04:02
dalek rrot: r49282 | plobsing++ | trunk (3 files):
modify Key.get_repr appropriately and use it to de-dup keys in IMCC
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chromatic Let's see how much smaller and what that does to Rakudo. 04:07
plobsing (30465456 - 30272480)/30465456 04:08
aloha 0.00633425608334896
plobsing 0.6% smaller
not much, but then I still have a bunch of stuff that should fall out from that branch 04:09
chromatic How much smaller can it go> 04:11
bacek_at_work 0 bytes
plobsing I'm seeing if I can rip out the fixup table entirely ATM 04:12
bacek_at_work best PBC doesn't exists, but everyone is happy
chromatic bacek_at_work, what's your next project? 04:13
Hah, want to segfault Parrot? Call Parrot_pmc_new() with a really big base_type. 04:19
or a negative one
plobsing chromatic: how did you find that one? 04:20
bacek_at_work chromatic, GenGC 04:23
based on SPJ's "vtable override" idea 04:24
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dalek rrot: r49283 | bacek++ | trunk/src/gc/fixed_allocator.c:
Update POD little bit.
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ttbot Parrot trunk/ r49283 MSWin32-x86-multi-thread make error tt.taptinder.org/file/cmdout/402378.txt ( tt.taptinder.org//buildstatus/pr-Pa.../rp-trunk/ ) 06:16
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dalek ast: 885149f | moritz++ | S02-builtin_data_types/bool.t:
[bool.t] test stringification more precisely
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kudo: 5e7b432 | moritz++ | build/PARROT_REVISION:
bump PARROT_REVISION for testing
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mikehh Still no emails from parrot 07:07
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bacek_at_work msg plobsing Looks like you broke win32 build in r49276. Check tt.taptinder.org/buildstatus/pr-Parrot/rp-trunk 07:52
aloha OK. I'll deliver the message.
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dalek rrot: r49284 | mikehh++ | trunk/MANIFEST:
re-generate MANIFEST
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dalek rrot: r49285 | mikehh++ | trunk/t/op/gc-non-recursive.t:
add svn properties and pir coda
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bacek mikehh, ping 09:02
msg mikehh Cheap karma for removing old "gc" branches :) 09:03
aloha OK. I'll deliver the message.
mikehh bacek: which ones are old now? 09:05
moritz all? :-)
sorear bacek: 04:06 < Juerd> sorear: And feathers goals specifically include Parrot as well as Perl 6. 09:06
bacek: go ask him for the aloha acct
dalek rrot: r49286 | bacek++ | branches/generational_gc:
Branch for implementing Generational GC
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rrot: r49287 | mikehh++ | trunk/compilers/imcc/pbc.c:
add a cast to get g++ to build
mikehh bacek we have gc_massacre, gc_massacre_no_constant and I take it generational_gc is new?
**** still NOT getting emails from parrot 09:09
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mikehh All tests PASS (pre/post-config, make corevm/make coretest, smoke (#208) fulltest) at r49287 - Ubuntu 10.10 beta amd64 (g++-4.5 with --optimize) 09:32
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bacek_mobile mikehh, yeah, gengc is new :) 09:40
sorear, will di 09:41
Do
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dalek rrot: r49288 | mikehh++ | branches/gc_massacre:
remove gc_massacre branch (now in trunk)
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rrot: r49289 | mikehh++ | branches/gc_massacre_no_constant:
remove gc_massacre_no_constant branch (old)
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bacek_mobile mikehh, string_gc* branches too :) 10:15
mikehh bacek_mobile: 'k 10:16
particle: ping 10:30
dalek rrot: r49290 | mikehh++ | branches/string_gc_encapsulate:
remove string_gc_encapsulate branch
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rrot: r49291 | mikehh++ | branches/string_gc_split:
remove string_gc_split branch
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dalek rrot: r49292 | nwellnhof++ | branches/string_macros/src/string/encoding/null.c:
[str] Fix ASSERT_ARGS and non-optimized build
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rrot: r49293 | nwellnhof++ | branches/string_macros/src/string/api.c:
[str] Change check for NULL keys in string API
rrot: r49294 | nwellnhof++ | branches/string_macros/src/hash.c:
[src] Make key_hash_STRING parameter const
whiteknight good morning, #parrot 11:27
moritz good morning, monochromatic knight! 11:35
mikehh hi whiteknight 11:36
whiteknight: BTW don't seem to by getting emails from partrot (for about 24 hours) 11:38
whiteknight: I emailed particle but not sure what else to do
dalek rrot: r49295 | mikehh++ | failed to fetch changeset:
[html_cleanup] merge from trunk at r49291
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whiteknight mikehh: Yeah, kid51 already send an email to the OSU folks 12:03
no reply yet
moritz maybe their mail setup doesn't work either :-) 12:04
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dalek rrot: r49296 | mikehh++ | failed to fetch changeset:
html_cleanup - some files did not get deleted properly in merge (and property changes)
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dalek rrot: r49297 | mikehh++ | branches/html_cleanup/MANIFEST:
[html_cleanup] re-generate MANIFEST
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dalek rrot: r49298 | nwellnhof++ | trunk/src/io/buffer.c:
[io] Fix GC-related bug in Parrot_io_read_buffer
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dukeleto waves hello 16:50
moritz particles hello 16:51
dukeleto corpuscles hello
dukeleto prepares the eigenmodes of the NLS 16:52
moritz prepares the boundary conditions 16:53
moritz looks at the emerging solitions
dalek ast: ef86bef | moritz++ | S03-se (10 files):
[sequence] is the new series
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kid51 Update on mail situation 16:57
Oregon State U Open Source Lab has responded to my RT filing but does not yet have a diagnosis of the problem (as of 1647 UTC Sep 24). 16:58
They're CC-ing whiteknight on the RTs, so he can also provide details as they become available. 16:59
cotto whiteknight++ for the blog post about bringing parrot to maturity
chromatic++ for the typically pragmatic response 17:01
mikehh just started to get some emails now 17:02
cotto too
kid51 Yes. Google Groups just picked up a test message I posted 15+ hours ago. 17:03
dukeleto moritz: did you mean solutions or solitons? mmmmm, solitons. 17:04
moritz dukeleto: solitions 17:05
erm
solitons
moritz type-challenged :-)
the shape-preseving wave packets
kid51 is that why we need type-checking?
moritz yes
dukeleto moritz: i studied solitons in grad skool, I know them well :) 17:06
kid51 It also looks like lists.parrot.org archives are starting to pick up messages again (have checked parrot-dev and parrot-tickets) 17:07
moritz dukeleto: I encountered them while reading stuff for my PHD; haven't really worked with them though
dukeleto moritz: leto.net/math/soliton/ <-- old, but has pretty pictures
moritz: if you ever want to nerd out about solutions to nonlinear wave equations, let me know :)
moritz dukeleto: :-) 17:08
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dalek kudo: c94bfe1 | moritz++ | src/Perl6/Grammar.pm:
parse require
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kudo: b3efa7a | moritz++ | src/Perl6/Actions.pm:
implement argumentless form of require
kudo: 7b21bf1 | moritz++ | src/Perl6/ (2 files):
implement require EXPR;
kudo: 82ebb54 | moritz++ | t/spectest.data:
[t/spectest.data] track file name changes in roast
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dalek rrot: r49299 | fperrad++ | trunk/compilers/opsc/src/Ops/Emitter.pm:
typo
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whiteknight solitons? I haven't heard that word since grad school 17:18
and good riddance! 17:19
dukeleto whiteknight: hey now! They are fun. ::pouts:: 17:22
whiteknight I can't remember all the specifics about them. I think we were doing fourier decompositions of various things into solitons and wavelets, and all sorts of other stuff 17:23
it's great if you're a professor trying to decrease the average grade of the class :)
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moritz well, in the field where I "work" they actually use optical solitons in the wild 17:29
for transmitting data
cotto dukeleto, ping 17:33
msg dukeleto Can you add www.postbin.org/12dx3gx as a post-receive url for parrot/parrot on github? 17:34
aloha OK. I'll deliver the message.
cotto seen purl
aloha Sorry, I haven't seen purl.
cotto karma svn
aloha svn has karma of 0.
cotto that's lta
atrodo way too high 17:35
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cotto yeah 17:35
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whiteknight Parrot mailing lists should be back up now, and OSUOSL has put in a check to nagios to prevent it from happening again 17:40
cotto what happened?
whiteknight somebody did a restart on mailman, which brought it down but didn't bring it back up
added a check that mailman is actually running in nagios 17:41
dalek ast: e9774db | moritz++ | S11-modules/require.t:
basic tests for require
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dukeleto cotto: pong 17:43
svn--
karma svn
aloha svn has karma of -1.
cotto dukeleto, see alohaogram
dukeleto cotto: postbin looks cool 17:44
cotto that's for seeing what data github will throw at the post-receive url
I found it on github's wiki: help.github.com/testing-webhooks/
It's funny how things sometimes become much easier when you put a tiny bit of effort into them. 17:45
dukeleto cotto: look at the link now, i did a test payload 17:46
cotto wheee
dalek kudo: 107cc16 | moritz++ | t/spectest.data:
run tests for require
kudo: 13c8a23 | moritz++ | docs/ChangeLog:
[docs] update Changelog with require and Bool stringification
dukeleto cotto: to get full commit diffs, we will use the github api for the diff of each sha1 we see in the post-receive hook
moritz dukeleto: dalek already has code for that 17:47
cotto That appears to be the best approach, sort of getting github to change their commit emails.
s/sort/short/
moritz or at least for getting the file names... not sure
dukeleto moritz: we need the full commit diffs to send to parrot-commits 17:48
moritz: does any perl6 repo currently send commit emails anywhere, that include full commit diffs? 17:49
cotto I'm glad you're committed to making that happen.
dukeleto cotto: curl github.com/api/v2/json/commits/show...rot/master
cotto: we basically just ask for a URL, and we get the diff inside some JSON 17:50
moritz dukeleto: no; we'd like to have that perl6/specs, but we don't yet
dukeleto moritz: ok, i am pretty sure the code that we write will be very general, so you can add it to all the perl6 repos if you like 17:51
"we" meaning "me"
cotto: our post-receive hook needs to live on parrot.org, right?
moritz dukeleto: that would be awesome
dukeleto cotto: i guess it could live on feather, but parrot.org seems better 17:52
cotto dukeleto, they need to live on the trac server
they're part of the github trac plugin
unless I'm misunderstanding you 17:53
dukeleto cotto: the post-receive script can live anywhere. it is the URL that gets hit by github, that sends an email. What relation does it have to trac? 17:56
cotto: does it have to notify trac somehow as well?
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cotto dukeleto, the github trac plugin also needs to have commit data sent to it via a post-receive url. 18:02
That's why I care about getting the POST data, so I can test that the plugin responds properly.
Nice. bacekbot seems to have set his sights on a generational gc. 18:03
bcaek++ 18:04
bacek++
dukeleto cotto: we can have multiple post-receive urls on github, so one of them will be for parrot-commits, the other for trac 18:21
cotto yup
dukeleto cotto: i guess those can live in tools/dev in the parrot repo. i will put them in the cotto/git_aware-tools branch, ok ? 18:23
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cotto wfm 18:24
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dukeleto cotto: the post-receive hook gets hit *once per push* with N commits. how do we want to split that into emails? One email per commit, or one email per push? 18:32
cotto: it is currently 1 per commit with svn
cotto: i am leaning toward keeping it that way 18:33
cotto me too 18:35
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whiteknight a big push turns into a barrage of emails though 19:22
atrodo And with the git way of thinking, you'd have more tiny commits leading up to a push 19:30
whiteknight right. I think the push is probably more along the lines of what we want to see in the email list 19:32
we can link to diffs for individual commits, but the push diffs are probably more important
dukeleto whiteknight: are you talking about the full commit diff for a set of commits in one email? 19:35
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whiteknight that would be nice, wouldn't it? I don't know what github provides 19:43
whatever it is, if we have a push with 100 small commits in it, I don't want to get 100 emails in my inbox 19:44
ttbot Parrot trunk/ r49299 MSWin32-x86-multi-thread make error tt.taptinder.org/file/cmdout/402551.txt ( tt.taptinder.org//buildstatus/pr-Pa.../rp-trunk/ )
whiteknight we could threshold, so a big push only generates one email, but a small push could generate emails for all commits therein
anyway, I'm heading home now. Later 19:46
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whiteknight good afternoon, #parrot 20:54
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dukeleto whiteknight: welcome to the madness 21:08
whiteknight This is madness! This is SPARTA! 21:09
plobsing plobsing sparta 21:16
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whiteknight :) 21:35
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plobsing urg. I don't understand the win32 make failure at all. src/pbc_dump.o doesn't even reference PMCNULL! 21:57
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dalek rrot: r49300 | fperrad++ | trunk/src/ops (2 files):
fix LuaThread after r49012.

So refactor not_p_p with clone instead of init/new.		 22:21
rrot: r49301 | plobsing++ | trunk/src/packdump.c:
use safe accessors for keys
cotto plobsing, what kind of code needs to change after your recent typesafe consttable merge? 22:40
plobsing cotto: anything that tries to use the constant table directly. but extensions should *NOT* be doing that. 22:41
cotto I'm thinking about PIRATE.
plobsing cotto: I updated PackFileConstantTable and the associated tests. = 22:42
the only real change for PIRATE is that nums, strs, and pmcs now have independant indices. So adding a num constant doesn't increase the index of subsequent string constants. 22:43
cotto Great. So I can just look at the diffs on those to get the gist.
wfm
What made you decide to work on that? 22:44
(mostly ooc)
plobsing it makes other changes to the constant table easier (eg: linkage, backreferences among PMC constants)
also it has been nagging me for a while 22:45
cotto evercookie++ 22:48
raising awareness ftw
plobsing evercookie?
sorear aloha: msg p6eval Does msg work yet? 22:49
aloha sorear: OK. I'll deliver the message.
sorear nqp: say(2)
p6eval nqp: OUTPUTĀ«PackFile_unpack: This Parrot cannot read bytecode files with version 8.3.ā¤ā¤PackFile header failed during unpackā¤Ā»
sorear looks like a "no" :/
cotto evercookie is samy.pl/evercookie/
sorear seen kid5`
aloha Sorry, I haven't seen kid5`.
sorear seen kid51
cotto evercookie?
aloha kid51 was last seen in #parrot 5 hours 42 mins ago saying "It also looks like lists.parrot.org archives are starting to pick up messages again (have checked parrot-dev and parrot-tickets)".
cotto evercookie?
aloha, evercookie? 22:50
aloha cotto: Sorry, I don't know.
cotto aloha--
aloha cotto: Pbbbbtt!
cotto < aloha-- >
all the snark but none of the factoids or karma
plobsing aloha is like a lobotomized version of purl :( 22:53
sorear aloha, karma aloha 22:54
aloha sorear: aloha has karma of -1.
sorear bacek: ping 22:55
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bacek sorear, pong 23:04
aloha, evercookie is samy.pl/evercookie/
aloha bacek: Okay.
bacek aloha, evercookie?
aloha bacek: evercookie is samy.pl/evercookie/
bacek cotto, aloha doesn't implicitly learn things
sorear, aloha uses privmsg for delivery 23:05
cotto bacek, why not? That's part of what made purl useful. 23:07
bacek cotto, it was pretty annoying. But I can switch it on. 23:08
cotto I liked it, but I don't speak for everyone who frequents #parrot.
bacek aloha, purl? 23:10
aloha bacek: I have no idea.
bacek purl is pretty annoying girl
aloha, purl? 23:11
aloha bacek: purl is pretty annoying girl
bacek cotto, done
cotto thanks!
bacek cotto, I can also switch on passive_answer, but I rather not :) 23:12
cotto That's probably wise.
sorear I agree with bacek, fwiw
I don't like chatbots
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sorear aloha: msg kid51 I got your test mail 23:19
aloha sorear: OK. I'll deliver the message.
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bacek cotto, github.com/bacek/aloha 23:21
cotto, feel free to hack Msg.pm if you want to change behaviour :) 23:22
cotto I feel free to do so.
should the need arise
sorear aloha: msg whiteknight Juerd says feather.perl6.nl is for Parrot too; ask him if you want an account (re. wanting a community server) 23:23
aloha sorear: OK. I'll deliver the message.
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sorear bacek: this chain of thought just happened: generational_gc -> write barriers -> incremental GC -> real time GC -> bubaflub? 23:34
bacek world domination 23:35
sorear aloha, msg sorear testing whether messages are dispatched on join
aloha sorear: OK. I'll deliver the message.
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bacek sorear, nope. Messages aren't dispatched on join. 23:35
sorear makes sense 23:36
lambdabot and purl didn't do that either
(also, people with unstable connections and autoreconnect) 23:37
plobsing (988029519 - 984219908) / 988029519 23:39
aloha 0.00385576637817033
cotto Trac seems snappier than usual. 23:40
dalek tracwiki: v5 | cotto++ | GitHubTracPluginTests 23:41
tracwiki: add better (or non-worse) instructions for testing the github hook
tracwiki: trac.parrot.org/parrot/wiki/GitHubT...ction=diff
plobsing (30272480 - 30061776) / 30272480 23:42
aloha 0.00696024904467688
cotto what are you measuring? 23:43
plobsing size and speed improvement on perl6 after removing fixup table. 23:44
not as big as I'd hoped
0.4% better speed, 0.7% better size 23:45
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bacek plobsing, how many lines of did you remove? 23:46
plobsing patch is 1271 lines 23:49
874 deletions, 60 insertions 23:50
that doesn't count the outright deletion of PackfileFixupTable.pmc and PackfileFixupEntry.pmc 23:52
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bacek I like it. 23:57
plobsing ok. once I deal with a couple of test failures, I'll ship it. 23:58
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