Parrot 3.0.0 Released | parrot.org | Log: irclog.perlgeek.de/parrot/today | Parrot Developer Summit: 2200 UTC 29 Jan | Goals: Fix ipv6-related failures | Test imcc_interfaces and annotations-tree branches
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dalek p-rx/nom: 94b693e | jonathan++ | src/ (4 files):
Give native attrs a firey baptism by switching $!pos and $!from attributes in Cursor to be native int attributes. This saves a bunch of boxing/unboxing and as a result should reduce GC churn and also be a memory improvement for big parses (since Match objects reference Cursor objects). Note that Match objects still need to store these boxed for now, but that'll be fixed in the future and be a further memory usage and GC churn reduction.
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kid51 jonathan: ping 00:45
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jnthn kid51: pong 00:49
kid51 jnthn: We're having Parrot Developer Summit this weekend -- late Saturday in your part of the world, I think 00:50
If there's anything the Rakudo folks would like to have as goals for Parrot in next 12 months, please post to parrot-dev before then.
(I think I sent email about this.)
jnthn kid51: Yes, I've noted when it is. I should be able to make it at least for the start of it. 00:52
Though I gotta get up on Sunday morning and travel to Stockholm.
kid51 Are you currently in Sweden? 00:53
jnthn kid51: Yes, I live in Lund, which is in south west Sweden. 00:54
kid51 I look forward to your participation. 00:55
I saw your speaking schedule posted somewhere. I hope some Parrot developers in Europe manage to attend some of your presentations this year. 00:56
jnthn :)
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whiteknight good evening, #parrot 01:22
kid51 good evening, whiteknight 01:23
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dukeleto This interview talks a bunch about Parrot and PL/Parrot fosdem.org/2011/interview/david-fetter-2011 02:13
cotto I know that guy. 02:24
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dukeleto cotto: yeah, so do I :) 02:33
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plobsing ping whiteknight 02:35
whiteknight pong
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plobsing I've been thinking more about exceptions. How does adding arbitrary parameters to exceptionhandler invokation allow for finally blocks? 02:36
there could be a frame between the thrower and the catcher with a finally block. how does the thrower know about this? 02:37
whiteknight in a simple case, we pass a continuation to the handler of a routine to execute as the finally() block 02:38
there are probably more generalized mechanisms for this
My idea of having arbitrary parameters to exception handlers centers around the symmetry of doing the same thing as other continuations do 02:39
plobsing so finally blocks have to be passed downwards through calls? why not do the same thing with catch blocks?
nopaste "plobsing" at 192.168.1.3 pasted "finally example" (19 lines) at nopaste.snit.ch/29256 02:53
plobsing whiteknight: in the example nopasted above, how does either main() or b() know about the finally in a()?? 02:54
whiteknight I really don't have finally blocks figured out in my head yet 03:00
it's much harder to do since ExceptionHandlers are just labels and don't have finite end points 03:01
so we don't know when catch{} ends and when finally{} begins
the only way to really do it would be to attach a post-handler to an ExceptionHandler, and invoke it when we use the finalize_p opcode 03:02
plobsing seems like an appropriate time given the op name
whiteknight A real solution in my mind is to make all handlers Sub-based instead of being raw labels, and then we can just chain Sub invocations together 03:03
set them up as tasks in the scheduler or something, and trigger them sequentially
because then we could stack as many as we wanted, in order, across multple scopes and throws
plobsing can't we do that now? 03:04
whiteknight no, because ExceptionHandlers are labels (Continuations), and there is no "end" point to them
anyway, I have to get to bed. We can chat tomorrow about it 03:05
plobsing ok 03:06
whiteknight goodnight
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KaeseEs bacek_at_work: i'm kind of excited by this one domino.research.ibm.com/comm/resear...tional.pdf 03:40
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dukeleto ~~ 08:57
anybody awake? 09:01
JimmyZ me 09:03
moritz nobody
Tene I am. 09:10
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tadzik ~~ 09:35
dukeleto is roughly 1% awake 09:39
kid51 Which way are you headed? To wakefulness or to sleep? 09:45
kid51 couldn't get back to sleep
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whiteknight good morning, #parrot 13:11
JimmyZ good morning whiteknight 13:13
whiteknight hello JimmyZ
JimmyZ hello whiteknight :) 13:14
whiteknight JimmyZ: You live in China?
JimmyZ Yes, I'm Chinese
whiteknight what time is it there? Late evening? 13:15
JimmyZ 21:15 here
whiteknight okay
atrodo morning 13:18
whiteknight good morning, atrodo 13:19
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Coke *yawn* 13:36
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cotto_work ~~ 16:11
whiteknight hello cotto_work 16:20
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Hackbinary hello 16:26
I think I have a dumb question, but is there a C front end for parrot? 16:27
I saw that there was something for c99 on github
moritz I think that's only a parser
not a full compiler 16:28
particle1 parrot is designed for dynamic languages. the c99 parser is for reading header files, mostly
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particle the c99 parser is designed to help us link to c libs 16:28
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Hackbinary I was thinking that if there was a c front end, then would that not help port existing implementations to the parrot VM? 16:29
sorear You'd lose all the interop advantages like that 16:31
opbots, names
particle cheers sorear
moritz Hackbinary: you can already call C functions from parrot
Hackbinary: or embed parrot into C applications
Hackbinary ah 16:32
particle it would be possible, if there were a mostly complete c compiler on parrot, but it wouldn't be the ideal porting path. and maybe not even a good porting path.
Hackbinary okay ... I'm kind of naive about vm stuff still 16:33
particle instead, rewriting the high-level language parser in nqp gets you much of the way to a new compiler
you should have a look at nqp, and perl 6 grammars 16:34
links, anyone?
nqp?
moritz ttps://github.com/perl6/nqp-rx 16:35
Hackbinary cool, thanks 16:37
moritz and Perl 6 grammars (which is what nqp implements) are describe in github.com/perl6/book/downloads
particle moritz++ 16:38
Hackbinary thanks, that's awesome! 16:43
:)
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dalek p-rx/nom: 94c8f60 | moritz++ | build/Makefile.in:
install dynops and dynpmcs
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moritz in PIR, how to I check if a variable contains an RPA? 18:17
whiteknight $S0 = typeof $P0 18:18
if $S0 == "ResizablePMCArray"
moritz ok, thanks 18:19
whiteknight no problem
plobsing hmmm... I thought there was a better way. 18:20
there's also '$I0 = isa $P0, "ResizablePMCArray"' 18:22
whiteknight oh, right
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Coke depends on what you're checking. those aren't equivalent. 18:43
jnthn ALL FAILS
Should really get the PMC type object (PMCProxy) and then use the PMC form of isa. 18:44
6model doesn't (and will never have) a string form of isa.
Identifying classes with strings is one of Parrot OO's biggest mistakes. 18:45
jnthn realizes that he is going to spend the next few weeks eliminating dozens of such things from Rakudo...
Anyway, if Parrot's going to adopt 6model at any point, isa_str and friends probably want to get deprecated. 18:46
(Any language that really really wants string isa can of course implement it trivially in terms of the meta-object, or provide a meta-object method that does the check...) 18:47
whiteknight jnthn: Deprecate some vtables and ops you say? It's like music to my ears 18:48
jnthn whiteknight: :)
whiteknight: Yes, but use of string isa is endemic at the moment. :)
Because it's...well...convenient if you're the person writing the PIR.
whiteknight it is a convenient shorthand, especially if you rely on a hobbled object model
we don't want nice things, because we're so used to having bad things 18:49
jnthn *nod*
Well, it's only two instructions to do it right. Not to mention that then the isa check becomes a few pointer comparisons. :)
cotto_work <3 18:50
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whiteknight who wants to create the ticket? 18:52
while we're at it, new_p_s should be deprecated too 18:54
we can't look up a class with a bare string
jnthn Keep going like this and you'll be able to kill the class registry at last. :)
whiteknight you sweet-talker, you 19:01
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Coke wishes this had come up back when new_p_i was killed. 19:04
whiteknight it had come up before. There was a big push at one point to use keyed lookup with new_p_p instead of string lookup with new_p_s 19:10
but I don't think that actually lead to a deprecation
jnthn Coke: That was a worthwhile, but easier kill. 19:12
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dukeleto ~~ 19:15
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Eclesia hi 19:31
sorear Hello. 19:39
dukeleto Eclesia: howdy! 19:47
what are people up to today?
Eclesia which people ?
whiteknight any people
what are you doing today, Eclesia?
dukeleto Eclesia: people in here :)
Eclesia writing a last mail for netbeans platform mailing list, saying 'java is not what it was and stopping personal time investment in it' before unsubscribing 19:48
a five years story ending ^^ 19:50
dukeleto Eclesia: wow. Hopefully you find what you are looking for in Parrot :) 19:51
Eclesia I don't think so, but I can't continue a non open-source path. (yet at continue at work) but not on my personnal time 19:53
it*
dukeleto Eclesia: we all understand that sentiment here :) 19:54
Eclesia hope he will be able to do the same thing in parrot one day : puzzle-gis.codehaus.org/cases.html 19:56
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dukeleto Eclesia: what are you interested in hacking on? 19:57
Eclesia I'm not a good low level developer, I have a double qualification in development and geograhic information systems. I learned mainly Java and visual basic. learned a bit everything else, but far from mastering C or ASM. My objective would be to run GeotoolKit on Parrot VM. 19:59
dukeleto Eclesia: we need lots of people to help with Parrot, and we don't need ASM or low-level people. What does GeotoolKit do? 20:00
dukeleto meant to say "we don't need *only* low-level people :) 20:01
we need people to build stuff on top of Parrot
Eclesia GeotoolKit is a java library for cartography, mapping, image analysis ... well a bit everything for GIS :D 20:02
sorear Eclesia: what list? where can I read about the death of open-source java? 20:03
Eclesia blogs.forrester.com/john_r_rymer/11...re_of_java for example 20:05
atrodo I admint, i like hearing stories about java frustrations too
Eclesia Plenty of stories going on, OpenOffice clash => LibreOffice . death of OpenSolaris. Mail threat on hudson list. apache Fondation leavin the JCP ... 20:07
the java ecosystem is really having a hard time 20:08
and the lawsuit and Google dalvik JVM on android, I forget about this one
on*
there's no way to be motivated with all this mess ... 20:09
atrodo I admit, it's difficult to trust oracle
Eclesia I always believed open-source wasa bottom-up process. if the lowest part can't be free (the jvm) everything else on it is useless 20:10
sorear Eclesia: all commonly used CPUs are so closed, they have trade secrets in them 20:14
dukeleto Eclesia: which GIS file formats are the most important? 20:15
Eclesia shapefile (vector), geotiff (image), postgis (database)
most used at least
PerlJam shapefiles are still so 1980s though 20:16
Eclesia agree but no need for a replacement so far. simple and handle by every tool
PerlJam (that's how I describe anything so tightly coupled with the database file format popularized by dBase)
yes, simplicity seems to win here. 20:17
or maybe not enough people have been pushing GIS to its limits until recently.
Eclesia GML could be a replacement, but it's too verbose in xml and not efficient.
OpenStreetMap team are starting a binary format, but it doesn't care about referencing, so I think it's only a half usefull effort 20:18
whiteknight "too verbose in xml" <- Doesn't that describe all XML? 20:19
PerlJam whiteknight++
Eclesia whiteknight++
dalek p-rx/nom: 4ba2dc2 | jonathan++ | src/Regex/Cursor-builtins.pir:
Fix incorrect attr access spotted by moritz++.
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dukeleto Eclesia: it would be interesting if we can some kind of shapefile parser in Parrot, but i am not sure what it would do exactly 20:28
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Eclesia shapefile is not the big deal, the big part of GIS is the referencing module. being able to make reprojections, handle N dimensional datas ... so far only geotoolkit handle ND correctly. 20:30
geometries, storing. is usual management stuff. 20:31
the mathematics is the hard part
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whiteknight parsing shapefiles into Shape objects (and be able to serialize back to files) would be a great first start 20:51
implementing the various mathematics routines is definitely the harder part
dukeleto i like math. 20:52
whiteknight unfortunately, I think a lot of that translation would not be able to be automated
I like math too. Doesn't mean it's easy
dukeleto whiteknight: that is what makes it fun :)
dukeleto doesn't really have a reason to hack on GIS stuff, though
Eclesia you are both talking about porting it on parrot. but in wish language ? not pir I hope ? 20:53
which*
dukeleto Eclesia: good question
Eclesia won't port a half million code lines librairy in pir, never :p 20:55
Eclesia has only one life left ^^ 20:56
dukeleto Eclesia: i would write it in Perl 6, but that is me. You can generate PIR from Perl 6, so there really isn't a speed difference after you generate bytecode 20:57
whiteknight Unfortunately, with that many lines of code, your options are kind of limited. It's going to be difficult to move all of that to any other platform unless it's the same language
but with Java, it's not just the language. The language would be easy enough to parse and write a compiler for. It's the huge java libaries that would take forever to replicate 20:58
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whiteknight even if we had a Java-on-Parrot compiler, the software wouldn't work until you replaced all the libraries 20:59
some of those libraries are themselves written in Java, so you could translate them automatically. Some are not
Eclesia I searched a bit already, it seems the "classpath" projet provide already plenty to the java classes of the libraries
plobsing classpath provides a decent way of providing the required native primitives. unfortunately, IIUC, it is a bit all-or-nothing. 21:02
whiteknight Eclesia: What I don't want is for you to get a false sense of hope, and waste a lot of time trying to port your library over to a new language or new platform. 21:03
The Java language is tied pretty closely to the Java VM.
plobsing whiteknight: really? at first blush, its object model looks more easily supportable on current parrot than say javascript. 21:04
is the devil in the details? 21:05
Eclesia whiteknight: I am not so optimistic don't worry. I still work on Java/JVM at work. parrot is for my free time. If I manage to make stuffs work or automaticly ported to parrot, them that's good. If not, well no harm is done
whiteknight plobsing: maybe. I would be very interested to see a translator for Java->Parrot 21:06
and if source code exists for the Java core libraries that is amenable to translation, that's a great start
If Parrot and JavaVM had the same kinds of goals, strengths, and capabilities, we would be working on JVM instead of Parrot 21:08
Eclesia another approach is to consider the apache harmony futur. since this jvm will never be reconized as a jvm they have lost plenty of developers. (that's just an idea) but bringing closer both Parrot and Harmony could be a opportunity wish won't happen again.
plobsing whiteknight: I was more thinking of java on parrot.
whiteknight plobsing: right, that's what I have in mind too. I'm just keeping in mind that Java is a very static language, and Parrot is a very dynamic VM 21:09
plobsing I tried reviving perk, but gave up when I realized I'd have to rewrite the grammar.
whiteknight Eclesia: I don't know a lot about Harmony. Probably needs some research
plobsing: GSoC is coming up. Big projects like that are good to keep in mind 21:10
sorear dukeleto: there is a considerable post-translation speed penalty associated with Rakudo
whiteknight If no movement happens on it between now and then, I'm thinking of suggesting my JavaScript-in-JavaScript compiler idea as a GSoC project
sorear: what do you mean?
sorear dukeleto: Parrot has a lot of features (like I, N, and S registers) that a naive Perl 6 compiler cannot exploit. Additionally, the Perl 6 calling convention is partially emulated above the PCC level 21:11
a direct coding in PIR can use Parrot resources far more effectively
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whiteknight sorear: You probably know better than I do. Are those limitations you mention some kind of fundamental restriction, or has Rakudo simply not taken the time to use them yet? 21:12
nwellnhof ~
sorear whiteknight: Many of them seem to be fundamental. However, if you had asked me six months ago, I would say they were almost all fundamental, so I have learned hope 21:13
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dukeleto whiteknight: have you seen Jaspers? 21:14
whiteknight sorear: are there things Parrot could do to make some of those features more accessible?
dukeleto whiteknight: github.com/leto/jaspers
whiteknight sorear: I know allowing objects to store non-pmc attributes, or to allow lexicals to work on other register types is necessary
dukeleto: briefly
dukeleto whiteknight: it is based on your ideas, but i did some research and decide to use some different libraries 21:15
whiteknight dukeleto: Okay. Cool. I hadn't looked too closely at PEG.js 21:16
I liked cafe because it was a ready-made JS parser with a JS grammar
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whiteknight dukeleto: I would love to hear more about Jaspers 21:16
dukeleto whiteknight: PEG.js has the same thing 21:18
whiteknight: but seems to be still maintained
whiteknight oh, okay. That's awesome then.
finding ready-made parsers is a huge win
dukeleto whiteknight: indeed! i haven't had much time to hack on jaspers, mostly been doing research 21:19
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whiteknight as an example, I know there are existing Java grammars written for Antlr and maybe one other parser generator too (I can't remember the name) 21:20
so if we write a Java backend to emit PIR for one of these parsers, BAM we have Java on Parrot
including Antlr on Parrot, magically
Hackbinary hello 21:22
I'm trying to build cardinal
whiteknight hello Hackbinary
Hackbinary: good luck with that!
Hackbinary oh dear
that doesn't sound promising
whiteknight cardinal is not a particularly active project right now. 21:23
I don't know it's current status
Tene whiteknight: last I heard, it builds, but fails all tests
whiteknight Tene: oh. That's a step in the right direction
Hackbinary hmm ... I can't get it build, but it's a problem in the rake file, and nobody is home on #cardinal 21:25
:(
whiteknight is packing up and heading home. Goodnight
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dalek rrot: 10c0585 | nwellnhof++ | / (2 files):
Fix getaddrinfo emulation with NULL addresses
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dukeleto Hackbinary: welcome to #parrot 22:08
Hackbinary: we are trying to revive Cardinal
tadzik oh, nice
what's going on with it? 22:09
dukeleto Hackbinary: if you hit a bug, can you create a Github issue at github.com/parrot/cardinal
tadzik: we want it to work again :)
tadzik dukeleto: it doesn't?
Well, it fails tests, yes
dukeleto tadzik: it compiles. 22:14
Hackbinary I suspect that my build environment is quite setup properly 22:20
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sorear What use is a rake file if you don't have an installed Ruby? 22:21
Hackbinary ruby and ruby on rails work fine on my computer, I think the problem has to do with some of the requiremens 22:24
*requirements
or parrot finding the requirements
something around line 254 22:25
return false unless File.exist?($config[:parrot])
return false unless File.exist?($config[:perl6grammar])
return false unless File.exist?($config[:nqp])
return false unless File.exist?($config[:pct])
return false unless File.exist?($config[:pbc_to_exe])
sorear If you already have Ruby, why are you trying to build Cardinal?
Hackbinary because 1.) it needs work 2.) sounds like an interesting project 22:26
:)
sorear *phew*
I thought you were a user.
Tene Hackbinary: The rakefile should be correct, so you probably don't have parrot isntalled and available properly. 22:28
Hackbinary hmm .... that's what I'm thinking
what's the best way to setup parrot on ubuntu? 22:29
Tene Hackbinary: It's entirely possible that cardinal's expectations about parrot paths may have changed since it was last worked on, but I don't think it has.
Hackbinary: I know that fedora ships a parrot package; I don't know about ubuntu.
Coke hey, when did elections for pafo happen?
Hackbinary ubuntu ships a 2.6; there is a ppa with a 2.8
Tene If you're itnerested in development, I recommend getting the last parrot dev release, or the latest parrot git, possibly.
yeah,2 6 is old-ish. 3.0 was the last, I think? 22:30
Hackbinary but I've downloaded radoku star
cotto_work Tene: yeah
Tene Hackbinary: I don't recall how rakudo star packages parrot exactly. You should be able to use the same parrot, but you may need to se tup the path properly.
Lemme download cardinal and check it ouy.
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sorear Rakudo builds an integrated Parrot; it's not really useful if you want to *use* Parrot 22:31
Tene yeahdo this: PARROT_CONFIG=/path/to/your/parrot_config ruby Rakefile
hmm... not quite 22:32
Hackbinary it should just 'rake' to run the Rakefile 22:34
Tene Yeah, that's right.
That still fails, though, not sure why. 22:35
Hackbinary but I think I read you need ruby 1.9.3 to urn it
do you get a failure on line 254 of the Rakefile?
Tene Yes.
Hackbinary that's what happening to me too 22:36
Tene Ahh, nqp.
Hmm.
oh, the rakefile wants to use the build directory for things... 22:37
Hackbinary my parrot build dir? 22:38
Tene It's checking the parrot build directory for old nqp 22:39
which has been dropped in favor of nqp-rx some time ago
Hackbinary can I make a sym link to nqp-rx from nqp, or are they not compatable? 22:40
dalek rdinal: 56a35fb | tene++ | Rakefile:
Replace the default path for nqp to nqp-rx
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Tene I just pushed a fix. 22:43
You'll have to delete your build.yaml
Hackbinary okay cool
:)
Tene looks like it's passing many tests. 22:45
rake test:all
Certainly not all, but many pass.
Hackbinary I just hosed my parrot, so I'm having to recompile
Tene Hackbinary: you can use the parrot installed by rakudo
PARROT_CONFIG=$HOME/src/rakudo/parrot_install/parrot_config rake 22:46
is what I did
dalek parrot: d600dcf | leto++ | html/docs.html:
Add link to recent interview about PL/Parrot
Hackbinary yah ... I accidentally ran make clean on my rakudo dir 22:47
Tene Hackbinary: I'd love to see work happening on Cardinal, and I'd be glad to help you with it. 22:48
Hackbinary cool
Tene I was the original author, actually, before I passed it off to treed who improved it a lot.
Hackbinary cool ... I'm a bit of a newb with this stuff. I've been developing php for about 5 years, and I'm looking to get out of php 22:49
and I've got about 15 - 20 years systems admin experience 22:50
but I think there needs to be a solid open source VM, something that could be embedded in servers like apache or databases, then you can choose your front end language 22:51
Tene Hackbinary: Parrot can currently be embedded in postgresql, actually. 22:52
plobsing Hackbinary: mod_parrot and pl/parrot?
Tene mod_parrot for apache is probably bitrotted, but was pretty interesting
Hackbinary and my sense is alot of what oracle has taken over from sun is not becontinued
yeah
exactly
Tene could probably be resurrected without too much effort.
cotto_work I liked mod_parrot. 22:53
Tene also
dukeleto mod_parrot is not maintained, but PL/Parrot is
cotto_work It's a pretty cool idea.
dukeleto mod_parrot could be resurrected, after the new embed api stuff settles down
could make a good GSoC project...
Tene I even gave a few talks showing lolcode running in apache
cotto_work Tene++
dukeleto LOLpache
Hackbinary it just seems that everyone is developing their own VM's and that seems to be duplicating alot of common work 22:54
LOLpache ... +1
dukeleto Hackbinary: yeah, that is why we want 1 really awesome VM so everyone isn't maintaining their own VM
cotto_work dukeleto: exactly 22:56
Tene I really think that parrot *could* be that.
I'm pretty hopeful.
cotto_work If I weren't hopeful I wouldn't be here.
Tene It'll take quite a while and a lot of work, but I think it's worth doing, and I'm not in any particular hurry.
Worth taking time to do it right.
Hackbinary I think stuff happening around java will end up actually benefiting the parrot project 22:57
perl 6 seems to basically there after 11 years
Tene That would be nice.
I don't think parrot's really in a position right now to attract a lot of new interested developers.
Hackbinary my sense is that ppl are pretty pissed with oracle and where never really happy with the sun licensing anyway
Tene Too many "this shit is broken and we've been meaning to replace it for years" areas.
cotto_work Tene: but we're replacing them now. 22:58
Tene Seems like it's moving in a good direction these days.
cotto_work: Yes, definitely.
cotto_work I can't even keep up reviewing whiteknight's work on imcc.
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dukeleto Tene: i would argue with you over "not in a position to attract interested developers" 22:59
yes, whiteknight++'s IMCC work is just flying by 23:00
Tene: GCI is a good rebuttal
Tene: stuff is starting to come together
cotto_work PDS tomorrow (!) will be interesting. 23:01
Tene dukeleto: I very much don't consider myself sufficiently informed about what appeals to new developers or recent developments in parrot to be confident in my analysis there. I should have been more clear about that.
oh, pds is tomorrow? I haven't been following the right email threads.
cotto_work Tene: that's fine. If you skip out for a month you're basically lost.
;)
yup, 1400 PST
Tene cotto_work: I've been out for about a year, mostly. :(
plobsing will likely have to miss PDS tommorrow :( 23:02
cotto_work It'll be logged if you're interested. 23:03
#ps
plobsing no worries. whiteknight's stated objectives are basically what I would push for anyways 23:04
Tene I keep feeling more and more like I want to start committing to parrot again lately, but I haven't actually made that jump back into doing anything. 23:05
plobsing Tene: anything we could do to facilitate that? 23:06
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Tene plobsing: I have no recommendations, but there's an open invitation for anyone to do whatever they'd like to try to motivate me or get me involved. 23:08
sorear 1400 PST? that's LAX PST, right? 23:11
dalek rrot: c4ef4bb | nwellnhof++ | / (6 files):
Add support for Win32 error messages
rrot: 057640b | nwellnhof++ | src/platform/generic/socket.c:
Use platform error messages in socket code
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dalek rrot: 5bc905b | nwellnhof++ | src/platform/win32/io.c:
Use error messages in Win32 file IO code
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nwellnhof The Win32 APIs are so lame, it's unbelievable. 23:29
dalek Heuristic branch merge: pushed 77 commits to parrot/nwellnhof/unicode_dynpmcs by nwellnhof 23:38
Tene To be clear, the invitation to harass me into parrot work is open to everyone. 23:40
Hackbinary does this mean anything to you: 23:44
error:imcc:The opcode 'concat_s_s' (concat<2>) was not found. Check the type and number of the arguments
in file 'src/classes/String.pir' line 535
included from 'src/gen_builtins.pir' line 23
included from 'cardinal.pir' line 1
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Tene Hackbinary: That opcode was deprecated, and Cardinal's usage of it needs to be removed. 23:44
Hackbinary: Cardinal moved to an immutable strings model. 23:45
nwellnhof Hackbinary: yes, the concat_s_s opcode has been removed recently. it should be replaced with concat_s_s_s.
cotto_work It's a pretty simple change, if monotonous.
Tene Hackbinary: the _s_s_s indicate the number and register type of registers used.
Hackbinary that's the kinda thing that I can do :)
nwellnhof concat $S1, $S2 => concat $S1, $S1, $S2
Tene so concat_s_s was two string registers, andmodified the first in-place. 23:46
yes, exactly.
dalek p-rx/nom: 0de3800 | jonathan++ | src/stage0/ (4 files):
Update bootstrap with cursor using natively typed attributes.
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Hackbinary not that I want to start a flame war, but what editors do you guys use to edit pir code? 23:52
sorear pmichaud 23:53
dukeleto Hackbinary: there is an editor/ dir in parrot.git with various stuff for various editors 23:54
Hackbinary: it does syntax highlighting of PIR and all that jazz 23:55
Hackbinary cool
thanks :)
dukeleto Hackbinary: no worries. Have fun :)
Tene Hackbinary: vim 23:57
Hackbinary: fwiw, we should be able to dramatically reduce the amount of PIR code in cardinal with some work.
Once we migrate to nqp-rx, that should help a lot.
although, it's now on nqp-rx
The parser is still the old PGE-based, not nqp-based, but we can replace a fair amount of the PIR code there right now with nqp 23:58
dukeleto Tene: sounds good to me 23:59

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