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dalek rrot: 3a99403 | petdance++ | src/pmc/un (2 files):
Fixing ARGIN()s that should have been ARGOUT(). Consting and localizing vars. Flagging UNUSED on interp and self
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ttbot Parrot 984f59db MSWin32-x86-multi-thread make error tt.taptinder.org/cmdinfo/39519 00:08
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kid51 opsc_full_parse branch : make test : PASS : linux/i386 : commit 7054bcf77b51d612c94be24fc6c74df169cd59f5 00:08
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dalek rrot: 807f85f | (Gerd Pokorra)++ | docs/project/release_manager_guide.pod:
change the release manager guide not to use the removed "docs" target
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rrot/jkeenan/tt1159_distcheck: c5ac1fd | jkeenan++ | docs/project/release_manager_guide.pod:
Add description of 'make release_check' to release guide.
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dalek TT #2033 created by epogeszlnoezh3++: Things to Consider When Trading Penny Stocks 02:35
TT #2033: trac.parrot.org/parrot/ticket/2033
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dalek rrot: 85a71c8 | jkeenan++ | config/auto/coverage.pm:
Re-rag POD so it will look better in HTML.
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TT #2033 closed by jkeenan++: Things to Consider When Trading Penny Stocks 02:51
TT #2033: trac.parrot.org/parrot/ticket/2033
plobsing 1st mark of a bot: diligent adherence to english capitalization rules 02:54
kid51 True
errm ... true
plobsing oh noez
kid51 They always use these hijacked yahoo.com addresses. 02:55
I delete their accounts once they've spammed us, but it wouldn't be feasible to prevent people from creating Trac accounts.
Of course, every day whiteknight and I have to comb through spam posts to the mailing lists 02:56
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JimmyZ if it's a spammed ticket, I can think it should be deleted. 02:57
plobsing I'm not sure if I have the privs for that. but I can delete all the body.
JimmyZ I think I have a privs, if nobody opposes 03:00
plobsing kid51: your anonymous toil is much appreciated.
kid51 JimmyZ: I've done that once, but Trac gives you a warning advising you that outright deletion is not the best approach.
JimmyZ kid51: now it's deleted 03:01
plobsing but I wanted to get rich trading penny stocks! 03:03
ShaneC anyone build parrot with msvc pro?
JimmyZ Don't buy stocks until next economic crisis ;) 03:05
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plobsing ShaneC: there have been a couple parrot/rakudo devs that used that platform. check trac.parrot.org/parrot/wiki/ListOfPlatforms 03:07
there's also trac.parrot.org/parrot/wiki/Platforms/Windows with a set of instructions 03:09
ShaneC thanks 03:10
i've checked those out before but never had any luck -- gonna figure it out tonight if it kills me though! ;-)
plobsing ShaneC: if you're still alive tomorrow, please update the wiki with the information you've gleaned 03:11
ShaneC i'd really like to get a simple .vcproj/sln set up for parrot, kinda need to get the vanilla build working first though ;-P 03:15
made it through configure and partially though nmake this time at least 03:18
bubaflub ShaneC: just curious, are you on a 32 or 64 bit machine? 03:21
ShaneC 64 03:22
i think the problem is mostly that there is so little documentation about building using only msft tools, and what docs there are only cover the free tools (ones from 2003 at that) 03:23
dalek tracwiki: v17 | jimmy++ | ListOfPlatforms 03:24
tracwiki: trac.parrot.org/parrot/wiki/ListOfP...ction=diff
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ShaneC hmm, parrot.exe built, but i got this: '.\\miniparrot.exe' : return code '0xc0000005' 03:56
dalek rrot/opsc_full_parse: afe3bf4 | bacek++ | / (4 files):
Implement emitting of array access
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bubaflub ShaneC: can you run miniparrot.exe -V? 04:07
i.e. did miniparrot build correctly?
ShaneC bubaflub: can't get any output from it 04:15
although parrot -v works
bubaflub you mean -V? 04:16
ShaneC w/e, it prints output at least
bubaflub and if so, that's a bit strange. it was my understanding that miniparrot was required to build parrot 04:17
ShaneC: ok, can you run a basic hello world with parrot.exe?
just curious; i might be able to try building at work on Wed.
ShaneC sec, doing a clean build
parrot exxamples\\pasm\\hello.pasm 04:18
Hello World
examples*
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ShaneC calimlim.com/parrot/miniparrot-crash1.png 04:28
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ShaneC for (i = 0; i < p_regs; ++i) ctx->bp_ps.regs_p[-1L - i] = PMCNULL; 04:31
that code strikes me as a little odd..
there's only 32 (pmc?) regs, that's trying to set reg UINT_MAX to PMCNULL? 04:33
plobsing no, it's just that bp_ps is the allocated space for both string and PMC registers (both data pointers). strings get positive indexes into it; pmcs, negative ones. 04:36
ShaneC regs_s and regs_p are pointing to the same thing 04:37
oh nm, gotcha 04:38
you allocate an array of 0xffffffff pointers? 04:41
dalek rrot/opsc_full_parse: d78e295 | bacek++ | compilers/opsc/src/Ops/Compiler/Grammar.pm:
Fix parsing of complex variable declarations. Second var can have pointer star.
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rrot/opsc_full_parse: fc35360 | bacek++ | / (4 files):
Made pointer part of var name to handle 'pmc *foo, *bar' properly
plobsing ShaneC: p = calloc(3, char); p2 = p + 2; p2[-1L - 1]; 04:47
bacek_at_work msg cotto make test passed in rakudo on opsc_full_parse 04:48
aloha OK. I'll deliver the message.
plobsing you don't need to allocate INT_MAX values to make use of negative indices
ShaneC plobsing: gotcha, never used negative indices before
how does that even work for something dynamically allocated? 04:49
plobsing very carefully
ShaneC oh nevermind, misread your example 04:50
i thought it was like perl's negative array indexing
not just negative pointer arithmetic
cotto bacek_at_work, nice 04:57
ShaneC well, at least i have something far enough along to actually debug... this could finally start getting interesting ;-)
bacek_at_work cotto, merge party? 05:01
no... 05:09
looks like a lot of problems with rakudo spectest
tadzik what kind of problems? 05:25
There've been some tricky updates there recently
ShaneC plobsing: i was able to get further by replacing the negative array index with standard pointer arithmetic 05:28
bacek_at_work hmm. There is a _lot_ of spectest failures on master as well 05:31
did we broke rakudo? Or it's some changes in rakudo itself?
plobsing ShaneC: that's odd. if you're using the equivalent pointer arithmetic, shouldn't it generate the same code? 05:33
ShaneC i'd think so, and the access violation was showing the correct address 05:34
no idea why that would change anything
bacek_at_work tadzik, t/spec/S02-builtin_data_types/anon_block.rakudo ................ Failed 2/42 subtests
tadzik, etc, etc, etc
# Looks like you planned 42 tests, but ran 40 05:35
Wrong fudging?
ShaneC plobsing: the disassembly is indeed a bit different 05:36
plobsing ShaneC: not certain, but the dissassembly in the screeny you posted shows that the index is being manipulated as a 32bit value (eax), and then as as a 64bit value (rax) without being extended. 05:37
that would indeed cause an access to a completely wrong segment of memory
are you using an outdated compiler? an experimental compiler? optimizations? 05:38
ShaneC msvc 2008
plobsing optimizing? 05:39
ShaneC my makefile's cflags has no -O set, not sure what the default is, lemme explicitely set it to none 05:40
tadzik bacek_at_work: api changes in Test.pm
bacek_at_work: clean up as much as you can, update everything, etc, etc
bacek_at_work tadzik, ah... But I did realclean, git pull, rebuild. 05:41
still failing
tadzik bacek_at_work: do you have rakudo installed?
with ol' Test.pm/Test.pir?
bacek_at_work tadzik, no. I shouldn't have it. But let me double check it
ShaneC plobsing: a 64 bit build *should* work, right?
plobsing ShaneC: try changing -1L to -1LL 05:42
ShaneC same disassembling with optimizations disabled 05:43
plobsing ShaneC: this is a compiler bug. the disassembly is incorrect for the source.
ShaneC any particular reason not to just use pointer arithmetic?
plobsing ShaneC: because it's an array, and using array notation (which is required to be equivalent to pointer arithmetic) conveys meaning to developers 05:44
bacek_at_work tadzik, looks like I had stale Test.pir installed
tadzik gotcha
plobsing I need to come up with a clever backronym for msvc. Never worked with it much before. Only ever had to gripe about Generally Crappy Compiler and Incorrect Code Compiler. 05:45
tadzik so you _can_ use command-line arguments in Nqt. whiteknight++
ShaneC it's not perfect, but visual studio more than makes up for the shortcomings of the compiler ;-)
bacek_at_work tadzik, much better now :)
ShaneC plobsing: -1LL does indeed work 05:46
plobsing aha. thought so. the type annotation on that constant is confusing msvc (which has 32-bit longs).
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ShaneC agreed @ that, hate the sizeof( int ) == sizeof( long ) thing 05:47
yet it still warns all over the place if you try to mix ;-P
or rather not even warns, it's an outright error iirc
plobsing ShaneC: there are a few other places where the \\dL long constant is used. you'll need to fix those too. 05:48
ShaneC ran a search and replace, rebuilding now
plobsing ShaneC: the size of the value is not the issue. when it is used in an array lookup it should get extended appropriately. 05:49
ShaneC i know, just ranting in general
cotto back 05:50
bacek_at_work, definitely merge party *after* Rakudo and Partcl are known to work the same on master and opsc_full_parse 05:51
ShaneC plobsing: still crashing, somewhere else now, gonna dig into this other problem a bit
plobsing progress!
bacek_at_work cotto, make spectest is running on opsc_full_parse branch.
cotto, clearly 05:52
cotto bacek_at_work, great
I'd run it here but I'd need to go to sleep before it finished. 05:53
bacek_at_work cotto, run and go to sleep :)
ShaneC plobsing: btw, thx 05:55
plobsing ShaneC: a word of warning, the long long trick (while it works), is not C89. We'll most likely need to come up with another solution before getting the fix into parrot.
ShaneC: thanks for not being afraid to get your hand dirty. 05:56
s/hand/hands/
ShaneC wrapping all negative array indices in a macro seems kinda ugly 05:57
plobsing I'm wondering if we need the type annotation at all. 05:58
bacek_at_work plobsing, what to you think about idea to split bp_ps and bp into 4 fields?
Just to get rid of nasty negative indexes.
plobsing bacek_at_work: that would work too, at the expense of growing our contexts by 2*sizeof(void *) 05:59
bacek_at_work CallContext is huge anyway.
ShaneC hope i can get my hands dirtier ;-) very glad i finally got parrot up and running in my dev environment of choice
plobsing bacek_at_work: aren't we trying to make calling *less* expensive?
bacek_at_work plobsing, it's 28 fields now.
plobsing, accessing args without arithmetic will be faster, isn't it? 06:00
plobsing bacek_at_work: that arithmetic is builtin to the addressing mode of CISC chips 06:01
we get it basically gratis
bacek_at_work plobsing, hmm. Are you sure?
plobsing look at the disassembly
plobsing is recompiling to make double sure 06:05
sorear smaller callcontexts puts less work on the GC 06:06
bacek_at_work sorear, not in this case actually. 06:09
PMC header is same.
Number of children to process is same 06:10
Size of Parrot_CallContext_attributes is bigger but it doesn't really matter
I don't expect big slowdown
(having slightly bigger context) 06:11
sorear Where do you see the problems associated with "negative indexes"?
bacek_at_work "arithmetic"
ShaneC at least one compiler will require special treatment, and it made at least one programmer confused ;-) 06:12
bacek_at_work I don't understand ia32 assembly to confirm plobsing++ statement
sorear, and what ShaneC said :)
plobsing sorear: msvc isn't properly sign extending array[-1L] on 64-bit. 06:13
hmmm... it seems my assertion that the arithmetic is entirely handled by the addressing mode is false. the negative indices add 1 3-byte op to the lookup. 06:16
sorear x86 addessing (in 32 bit mode) takes the form scale[1, 2, or 4]*index[any integer reg] + base[any integer reg] + displacement[32 bit constant] 06:17
the encoding has a lot of confusing special cases around ebp and esp 06:18
bacek_at_work plobsing, so. Let's try to split bp_ps?
sorear 64 and 16 bit modes are completely different
plobsing and I can see bacek++ 's point about the size. what's a 264-byte callcontext vs a 280-byte one?
sorear there should be a set of "commonly used" fields that we can pack into, say, 64 bytes 06:19
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bacek_at_work sorear, not many. Most of the fields are PMC and STRING pointers. 06:19
but yes, I think we can pack "warns", "errors" and "trace_flags" at least 06:20
plobsing why is current_namespace part of the context? isn't that static to the sub?
bacek_at_work and if we limit number of positional args to 2^16 we can pack num_positionals and allocated_positionals 06:21
plobsing, Parrot_pmc_create_mro?
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bacek_at_work but we can try to get rid of it. 06:22
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plobsing bacek_at_work: what do namespaces have to do with method resolution? 06:22
bacek_at_work plobsing, I don't know. MMD? 06:23
plobsing still not seeing it 06:24
bacek_at_work me too
But I'm not an expert in it
plobsing current_object? but self is held in an ordinary PREG and passed as a specially flagged, but otherwise normal, PMC. 06:26
bacek_at_work current_object is definitely used for method dispatch 06:28
but...
I couldn't find it anymore....
Sigh. Someone with more knowledge about PCC should review set of fields in CallContext. 06:29
cotto, make spectest passed on opsc_full_parse
cotto bacek_at_work, awesome. 06:30
bacek_at_work, have you tested any other hlls?
bacek_at_work cotto, nqp-rx :) 06:31
ShaneC random note, digging around for 64 bit oddities 06:32
parrot.h's U?INTVAL2PTR do not take into account when PTR_SIZE == HUGEINTVAL_SIZE 06:33
which would mean defaulting to unsigned int on 64 bit windows
sorear some parts of Parrot still think that invocants are somehow special
bacek_at_work looks like "PCC refactor" leftover 06:34
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bacek_at_work sorear, invokant is actually "somehow special" according to our code... 07:09
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ShaneC yay, build getting even further! 07:18
had to throw a hack into parrot.h though ;-(
INTVAL2PTR / UINTVAL2PTR / PTR2INTVAL / PTR2UINTVAL are all broken on windows 64 bit 07:25
or something is wrong with my configuration, what determines what a Parrot_Int will be? 07:32
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dalek rrot/jkeenan/tt1159_distcheck: 0da424a | jkeenan++ | docs/project/release_manager_guide.pod:
Correct names of targets per gerd++.
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dalek rrot: 0da424a | jkeenan++ | docs/project/release_manager_guide.pod:
Correct names of targets per gerd++.
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rrot: 77fa230 | jkeenan++ | / (4 files):
Merge jkeenan/tt1159_distcheck branch into master.
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whiteknight good morning, #parrot 13:31
tadzik good morning whiteknight 13:34
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whiteknight incoming 13:38
dalek Heuristic branch merge: pushed 16 commits to Rosella by Whiteknight
whiteknight oh, awesome
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whiteknight good morning tadizk 13:38
tadzik: 13:39
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whiteknight msg NotFound: "Method 'dowarnings' not found for invocant of class 'NamespaceStatement'" 14:17
aloha OK. I'll deliver the message.
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dalek sella: 1d04bc7 | Whiteknight++ | src/ (2 files):
fixes so Error.winxed builds. Update Distutils.winxed to use the new -o option. Also, die on build failure (with error message), and print out the name of files we unlink
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sella: 38bc497 | Whiteknight++ | src/winxed/DistutilsSt1.pir:
update distutils bootstrap
sella: abccfbc | Whiteknight++ | README.md:
Mention in README that NQP-generated libraries may rely on P6object.pbc, which isn't automatically loaded unless we're running Parrot-nqp
sella: 92c18b5 | Whiteknight++ | setup.nqp:
fix setup.nqp to build again after moving ObjectFactory
sella: 1f0137f | Whiteknight++ | src/ (3 files):
Fix Container.winxed so it mostly builds. Exposes a bug in winxed so we can't do any testing
rrot: ab6bd87 | (Gerd Pokorra)++ | tools/release/releasecheck.pl:
add Copyright information
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tadzik whiteknight: 38bc497537 may be wrong 15:06
you might prefer to load nqp_rx.pbc, or something 15:07
whiteknight it worked fine when I did P6object.pbc 15:09
I don't really use too many features of nqp-rx beyond P6object
tadzik rexeges may break I think
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NotFound whiteknight: I'll fix that right now. 15:14
whiteknight NotFound++ 15:15
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NotFound whiteknight: r836 should fix it 15:21
BTW I think that the problem of P6object not being automatically loaded is a failure of nqp that should be fixed better than warned about. 15:22
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dalek nxed: r836 | NotFound++ | trunk/winxedst1.winxed:
NamespaceStatement lacked chaining of dowarnings to its parent, fixed
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whiteknight NotFound: The "fix" for P6object is to rewrite the libraries in winxed instead 15:30
NotFound Not a bad way for my taste :D 15:31
whiteknight NotFound: And you've been very responsive in fixing bugs and problems I have. So switching to winxed has been pretty painless
NotFound The point is that for general purpose libraries the implementation language or any other dependence should be an internal detail that users shouldn't need to care. 15:32
You just load the lib, and the lib takes care of its own needs. 15:33
whiteknight The problem with P6object and NQP is that NQP-generated libraries use P6object in all the :init :load methods to setup classes and all 15:35
so if I do INIT { pir::load_bytecode("P6object.pbc"); } There's a chance this line won't fire before it's needed 15:36
ordering gets off, especially when I start merging bytecode and other crafty things 15:37
NotFound whiteknight: languages must evolve following users needs, I'm a follower of Stroustrup's "The Design and Evolution of C++"
I don't know enough nqp internals to suggest a solution. 15:38
jnthn NQP should really just emit code that loads the stuff it needs. 15:39
(If it's not already loaded). 15:40
NotFound I mean, the problem should be solved by nqp itself, not by any library that gets implemented with it.
sorear add a :load :init sub that loads P6object.pbc?
+1
jnthn NotFound: +1
NotFound: I'm working on that kinda stuff in NQP at the momnet. fwiw.
NotFound jnthn: nice
sorear also, INIT { pir::load_bytecode("P6object.pbc"); } makes no sense for "portable nqp"
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sorear (what was the final verdict, btw, on whether to fork Parrot-NQP from Portable-NQP?) 15:41
NotFound I think we've not reached yet a "final" status. 15:43
whiteknight NotFound: I'm still getting that error on r836
NotFound whiteknight: show me the source.
whiteknight hold on
NotFound whiteknight: uh, wait, if you're using the installed compiler, is not updated yet. 15:44
whiteknight okay, that's my problem 15:45
I am using the installed compiler
NotFound One moment...
r837 15:46
whiteknight :)
NotFound: works! NotFound++ 15:47
dalek nxed: r837 | NotFound++ | trunk/pir/winxed_compiler.pir:
update installable compiler
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NotFound I think I must make a more elaborate installer to get rid of this problem.
Updating the pir for any minimal change is too much.
cotto_work ~~ 15:53
whiteknight NotFound: is there a way to have a global var in a namespace? 15:54
just namespace Foo { var bar; }?
NotFound whiteknight: I'm working on that but is not ready yet. 15:55
The "solution" I've been using is coroutines that initializes and yields the global objects needed. 15:56
whiteknight okay 15:57
NotFound I think plobsing is using in some cases :immediate subs 15:59
Globals are evil, anyway ;) 16:01
plobsing I did. they work great for creating static variables.
you can't modify the reference of course, but using an array or a hash, that doesn't really matter. 16:02
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whiteknight what I have in NQP is a namespace sub to get a default instance of an object 16:05
in NQP, I'm doing Rosella::Container::default_container(). The first time we create it, subsequent calls return the first reference
so a coroutine there is probably the best
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NotFound Yes, all places where I've needed a global were like that. 16:08
There was no real need for uniqueness, but was a waste to create a new one in any usage. 16:09
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whiteknight NotFound: that code can't find the class. Get a null PMC exception in get_class 16:18
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whiteknight class is doing a local namespace search, not a root namespace search, I assume 16:19
plobsing ping Patterner
Patterner what have I done to deserve that? 16:20
plobsing some testing for leo back in 2005
75a2c84daf3c4685269799539e98d76b2e5c6b97 mentions you I beleive
do you recall why specifically '-1L' was used? 16:21
Patterner denies knowledge
plobsing you are Psyche correct?
or were
Patterner that was a long time ago....
I have... relatives... on other networks... 16:22
do you have an URL for that?
plobsing I understand if you don't remember. It seems like a trivial detail, and it was a while ago.
but that particular code is causing issues on Win64, and I'd like to understand why it is there in the first place 16:23
URL: github.com/parrot/parrot/commit/75...6b2e5c6b97 16:24
NotFound whiteknight: looking at it. 16:25
Patterner looks like an off-by-one error, just with negative values which get their signs changed to be used as an index... 16:27
NotFound I don't think so, 0 belongs to the positive values, so -0 must be addresed some way. 16:28
plobsing Patterner: the logic is sound, but -1 would have made just as much sense. -1L seems oddly specific.
dukeleto ~~
NotFound plobsing: probably just to dismiss some warning. 16:29
Patterner it's 64bit after all 16:30
lots of warnings disappear when you add L's :)
plobsing those L's come back to haunt you when sizeof (long) != sizeof (void *) 16:31
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NotFound That difference shouldn't have any effect in basic arithmetic, except in corner cases. 16:32
Patterner Is that even used in today's code anymore?
NotFound And the pointer and indexes used are far from corner cases.
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NotFound This is in register accesors, isn't it? Then is used trillions of times. 16:34
plobsing yes. that is precisely it. and it causes illegal memory access on Win64 because msvc can't cope. 16:35
whiteknight msvc--
NotFound plobsing: Maybe a problem with the registers sizes?
whiteknight karma msvc?
aloha msvc? has karma of 0.
moritz karma msvc
aloha msvc has karma of 1.
whiteknight msvc-- 16:36
karma msvc
aloha msvc has karma of 0.
whiteknight when that karma number gets to -1000, I say we officially drop support for msvc
moritz msvc-- # still no complete C99 support, last I looked
plobsing NotFound: nah. it generates incorrect code for the pointer dereference. ShaneC posted a screen-shot of the debug last night (where I saw the generated code)
whiteknight msvc-- # Microsoft says it will never offer C99 support, ever
plobsing will they properly support C89 ever? 16:37
moritz whiteknight: don't say that; if we do, our coding robot will include a msvc-- in every commit message, and it's out of business in, like, 10 days :-)
NotFound If it's a code generation error of the C compiler, just report it to its owner.
plobsing calimlim.com/parrot/miniparrot-crash1.png 16:38
whiteknight plobsing: I don't know.
plobsing do they have an issue tracker for that somewhere? I didn't find anything on the first page of ddg or goog
NotFound Where are that accesors defined? context.h ?
plobsing yep. previously registers.h, and previous still interpreter.h 16:39
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NotFound plobsing: where is failing, with string/pmc or with intval/floatval 16:46
?
plobsing PMC access, but that's probably just because that's the first accessed register. N-regs likely have the same issue. 16:47
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NotFound Given that is a macro, maybe just casting x to int is the right solution. 16:52
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NotFound [-((int)x + 1)] 16:53
I mean [-((int)(x) + 1)]
plobsing I suspect, that just using -1 (as opposed to -1L) would very likely solve the problem on that platform. I asked why it was used because I was concerned with breaking other platfroms. 16:54
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NotFound The cast should avoid any spurious warning. 16:55
And the values used are veeeeery long to overflow. 16:56
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plobsing spurious warnings don't concern me, so long as the correct code gets generated. 16:58
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NotFound Yeah, but maybe avoiding some warning was the reason for the L 16:59
shockwave nopaste
plobsing ah
shockwave purl paste
plobsing ENOPURL
shockwave aloha paste
plobsing ah ah ah, you didn't say '?' 17:00
shockwave A paste site?
NotFound aloha: nopaste?
aloha NotFound: nopaste is is nopaste.snit.ch (works with the script in $_PARROT/tools/dev/nopaste.pl)
whiteknight nopaste?
shockwave Thanks
NotFound aloha wants more attention than purl. 17:01
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nopaste "shockwave" at 192.168.1.3 pasted "How to pass a C pointer between parrot functions?" (23 lines) at nopaste.snit.ch/34808 17:13
NotFound whiteknight: I think r389 will fix the problem for a now.
shockwave I'm trying to pass a structure between parrot functions. 17:14
a C structure.
I'm trying to call functions from a C library and pass that C structure to them. 17:15
I can already call C functions from that library, I just don't know how to pass that structure. 17:16
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shockwave help 17:16
dalek nxed: r838 | NotFound++ | trunk/winxedst1.winxed:
use get_class instead of get_namespace + typeof in the class operator
17:17
nxed: r839 | NotFound++ | trunk/pir/winxed_compiler.pir:
update installable compiler
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NotFound shockwave: provide a C function that return that structure and NCI it. 17:17
shockwave: BTW, if you define functions in C++ to be called from parrot you shouldn't allow C++ exceptions to propagate out of them. 17:18
shockwave NotFound: But, those that mean that the structure has to be a static variable? 17:19
does*
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shockwave NotFound: Ok, good tip. 17:19
Didn't know that. 17:20
Basically, the structure I'm trying to pass around I first get it when creating the interpreter.
it contains some structures needed by the functions that will be called from the C lib.
NotFound shockwave: is not written anywhere, but I guess ugly things will happen. 17:21
shockwave: Is get by whom? By parrot?
shockwave no :0
NotFound Then parrot need some way to get it. The easier way is to provide a function that returns it. 17:22
shockwave NotFound: So, basically, I'd just call those void functions, and from them get a pointer to the structure? 17:23
NotFound shockwave: define a C function that returns the structure and dlfunc it as 'p' Then pass the pointer to a dlfunc 'vp' 17:26
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NotFound Use extern "C" in C++ to avoid name mangling. 17:27
In parrot, just store the pointer in a PMC, NCI will take care of the details. 17:29
shockwave If it's not too much to ask, could you provide an example, with passing arguments? 17:31
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plobsing maybe I'm not understanding, but wouldn't it be easier to dlvar? 17:34
NotFound Mmmm... maybe, but I'm not so sure about C++ name mangling of global symbols. 17:35
plobsing shouldn't extern C work for vars as well?
NotFound Should, but I've never used it. 17:36
nopaste "shockwave" at 192.168.1.3 pasted "NCI Example" (17 lines) at nopaste.snit.ch/34809
shockwave That's an example from the 'tutorials' directory of the Parrot distribution. 17:37
I like to be able to pass arguments to the :main functions, and from there pass it to the dlfunc functions/subs. 17:38
NotFound shockwave: if you want to pass external objects to parrot functions from the embedding host, you should do the appropiate encapsulation yourself. 17:40
plobsing pointers are generally passed around in in PMC containers (eg: Ptr)
NotFound The function approach I suggested has the advantage that NCI do the encapsulation by itself. 17:41
plobsing setting up the pointer to pass to main is your business as an embedder. from there, it should work for passing around within parrot. use 'p' argument signatures for NCI functions.
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NotFound Oh, and if you mean the :main function, the convention is that it gets a parrot string array argument. 17:42
So is not very appropiate to that mean.
plobsing that's just a convention though. very few things should break if that's not true.
NotFound Yeah, but IMO it will be cleaner to not mark it as :main 17:43
shockwave That's not a problem. I just make :main do nothing and place that behavior in another function. ;)
I'll play around with the info you guys gave me. Thanks, it should help me get to the right place.
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NotFound shockwave: you don't need to run main if you don't want to. 17:44
As long as the interpreter is initialized and a pbc loaded, you can call subs as you want. 17:45
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NotFound whiteknight: r839 will probably solve your problem 17:49
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dalek rrot: baad98f | jkeenan++ | NEWS:
Added NEWS item about 'make release_check'.
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whiteknight NotFound: I'll give it a try in a minute 18:01
NotFound: Yes! it works. Passing all tests again 18:03
NotFound++
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ShaneC been trying to get a win64 build to work, stopped last night looking into a crash with pmc thawing -- anything come to mind that would be broken with that by assuming sizeof( long ) == sizeof( void* ) ? 18:07
plobsing ShaneC: what types were selected for INTVAL and opcode_t? if they are too small, did Configure.pl warn you about this? 18:09
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ShaneC hmm, i'll take a look at those again tonight 18:09
or if i can get this commit in for $dayjob i'll snag an hour or two for parrot 18:10
NotFound whiteknight: is not a definitive solution, but I'm trying to avoid for a now the need to make a difference between class declared in current scopes and unknown ones.
ShaneC: we've been talking a bit about that, but no answer yet. 18:12
ShaneC NotFound: sounds good 18:15
NotFound Someone should tell Microsoft to donate us a bunch of machines and licenses to better address that kind of problems ;) 18:16
whiteknight NotFound: parrot does have get_namespace and get_hll_namespace and get_root_namespace 18:17
if Winxed supports keys in ${ } we could use those ourselves
ShaneC my 32 bit build does work, but getting the 64 bit one working seems like a nice way to get my feet wet 18:18
NotFound whiteknight: yes, but incrementing the dependance on hand-written pir is not desirable. 18:19
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NotFound ShaneC: I'm sorry, but I'm not going to pay a Windows 7 licence for the privilege. 18:20
ShaneC NotFound: perfectly understandable 18:23
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ShaneC i didn't mean i expected you guys to do the leg work, i meant that getting it working myself would be a good way to check out the entire source base 18:24
NotFound ShaneC: we usually do our best, win64 gets less attention just because most of us doesn't have machines with it available. 18:25
whiteknight ShaneC: Win64 can be very tricky. I had it working at one point
ShaneC: Here's a post where I talked about some of the command-line args require for configure 18:26
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ShaneC whiteknight: did you compile a 64 bit version of perl? 18:26
whiteknight ShaneC: I don't know. I used ActivePerl. I don't know if it was x86 or x64
ShaneC perfect, i use activeperl too 18:27
whiteknight ShaneC: give that that incantation a try and see how far you get
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ShaneC didn't get a link 18:28
dalek rrot: 72ba167 | util++ | t/tools/dev/headerizer/01_functions.t:
Fix headerizer/01_functions.t when temp dirs contain `+` in their names (Darwin).
Coke ponders again working on a cold fusion-alike for parrot. 18:31
would really need the DBI stuff & mod_parrot back, though.
NotFound What happened to mod_parrot? 18:32
Coke jeff horwitz dropped out of sight. 18:35
NotFound According to trac wiki, isn't even migrated to git
whiteknight Jeff gave me permission to migrate it to git. I haven't done it yet 18:38
NotFound: is there a break or continue keywords for working with loops? 18:39
NotFound whiteknight: both
plobsing and goto, but don't do that
NotFound You can also goto out of the loop.
goto into the loop is not recommended.
Util is also interested in the Win64 link that whiteknight is giving to ShaneC 18:40
ShaneC whiteknight.github.com/2009/07/20/p...win64.html 18:41
cotto_work whiteknight: what do you think about the patch to add Parrot_get_euid in trac.parrot.org/parrot/ticket/2032 ?
I'm leaning toward rejecting it because it's not generally useful, but I'd like a second opinion.
Util thx
ShaneC Util: i had to adjust the link flags a bit, i think it was pulling /MACHINE:X86 from my perl
but other than it seems to have worked for the most part
at least the configure part, building now 18:42
cotto_work s/euid/effective_user_id/
Util ShaneC: OK, thanks. It will be a few weeks before I can play with it; just wanted to get it into my should-investigate list. 18:43
NotFound cotto_work: reject it. At the very least, is incomplete. geteuid is not generic enough to be added to platform generic without checks for availability. 18:44
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cotto_work NotFound: the issue is whether we want Parrot to "support" getting the effective uid at all. 18:45
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cotto_work issues with the patch itself are another question 18:46
NotFound cotto_work: ok
Regarding that point, I don't want to. 18:47
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cotto_work NotFound: thanks. 18:48
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NotFound We can add some sugar or helper to getting some well known functions via nci, but we shouldn't add our own versions of any posix C interface somenone may want. 18:49
Posix, or win, or whatever.
plobsing isn't there some big OS-compatibility library somewhere? 18:51
cotto_work plobsing: apr?
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plobsing haven't looked into that. maybe that's exactly what I'm thinking of. 18:51
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NotFound (The somenone was a typo) X-) 18:53
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NotFound plobsing: With the .param changes is now possible to insert annotations before .param at the start of subs? 18:59
plobsing NotFound: yes, but it might not work like you want for methods. 19:00
NotFound plobsing: I just want an accurate backtrace when getting params throws. 19:01
plobsing contiguous sequences of .param get turned into a single get_params op. this happens in IMCC, but might occur *before* annotations ops are removed. when a :method flag is detected, a "self" param is unshifted onto the first op (always a label). if that op is not contiguous with the other params, you get two get_params ops, both of which use the wrong signature. 19:02
NotFound Urgh
plobsing it was mostly intended for cases where control flow is re-entering the sub. continuations work this way for example. 19:03
whiteknight kicks the "many ops" dead horse again
plobsing exceptions could work this way if they used call-semantics rather than return-semantics
or if parrot moved to a unified call-return-semantics as promised by CPS
whiteknight internally, it is unified 19:04
we got over that hurdle. We're just not making great use of it yet
plobsing ah.
NotFound One more time I don't remember what I've done this week. git log and svn log to the rescue! 19:06
whiteknight oh right, #ps today
awesome
cotto_work yup, we have one of those 19:07
NotFound One awesome? 19:09
cotto_work #awesomesketch 19:10
whiteknight #parrotsketch is evolving! 19:12
cotto_work whiteknight: do you see any value in having the ability to get the effective user id be a core parrot thingy?
whiteknight I don't think so. It's completely meaningless on some of our target platforms 19:13
that said, we can definitely provide pre-made NCI wrappers around utilities like that 19:14
it's easy enough to do
or HLL devs can write it themselves (again, it's easy)
cotto_work ok. I'll post an example of how to do that and reject the ticket. 19:15
whiteknight for that matter, I'm not sure I see real value in having a core way to get the user id either 19:16
plobsing looks like a job for tools/dev/ncidef2pir.pl
whiteknight again, that's meaningless on windows
NotFound return (UINTVAL)0; 19:17
Our logic for 'generic' is debatable. 19:18
cotto_work NotFound: yes
whiteknight if we want to provide a bunch of utilities which are only defined on unixy-platforms, we should have a separate library for those things, and not burden our windows users with it
likewise, there are windows features we can expose which don't have nice analogs on unix 19:19
NotFound For things that aren't speed critical at all, NCI should be appropiate.
whiteknight see also: user id, effective user id 19:20
NotFound And is far easier to support than config and code support, Configure probes....
whiteknight NotFound: does winxed have a nicer way to write "namespace Foo { namespace Bar { } }" Can I write something easy like "namespace Foo : Bar { } "? 19:23
NotFound whiteknight: Did I said that I'm a Stroustrup follower? ;) 19:24
whiteknight ?
NotFound whiteknight: namespace syntax is borrowed from C++, so the answer is no. 19:25
whiteknight ...can we?
:)
NotFound Will think about it.
cotto_work better than borrowing it from PHP 19:26
PerlJam no, it should be: namespace Foo::Bar { ... } for maximal conflation ;)
NotFound namespace Bar inside of Foo { ... } 19:27
lucian hates the :: operator
dalek rrot: c6e78d7 | util++ | tools/release/releasecheck.pl:
Add coda to releasecheck.pl, to pass t/codingstd/perlcritic.t
19:28
whiteknight I have a couple files that open with "namespace Foo { namespace Bar { ... ", and I think that's very ugly
PerlJam whiteknight: what are you using namespaces for that you would want a short-hand for nesting them?
whiteknight PerlJam: I'm working on a toolkit project called rosella. Classes there are typically named "Rosella::<libname>::<classname>" 19:29
NotFound Please don't drop the convention of doing out-of-band comments here better than at #ps 19:31
cotto_work #ps in 56
NotFound whiteknight: one advantage of the no shorthand approach is ack friendliness. 19:32
Andy ack is friendly to everyone! 19:34
NotFound ack++
cotto_work ack++ 19:35
atrodo ack++
Andy Yay
plobsing eh, gcc is better. ack is ancient ;-)
Andy It will be interesting to see how ack 2.0 affects the Parrot folks
plobsing Amsterdam Compiler Kit
cotto_work aloha: ack? 19:36
aloha cotto_work: ack is friendly to everyone!
Andy aloha: karma for ack?
aloha Andy: for ack? has karma of 0.
Andy aloha: karma for ack
aloha Andy: for ack has karma of 0.
tadzik karma ack 19:37
aloha ack has karma of 3.
cotto_work aloha: karma ack
aloha cotto_work: ack has karma of 3.
Andy aloha: karma ack
aloha Andy: ack has karma of 3.
tadzik :P
Andy tadzik: I was getting there.
tadzik thus, ack++
NotFound karma aloha
aloha aloha has karma of -39.
NotFound Uh...
atrodo That's surprisingly low
dalek TT #2032 closed by cotto++: Small patch to add get_effective_user_id to parrot
TT #2032: trac.parrot.org/parrot/ticket/2032
cotto_work Andy: what you need to do is name the 2.0 series "ack++"
atrodo karma purl
aloha purl has karma of 0.
whiteknight when aloha reaches karma of -1000, I say we abandon it
...which means aloha is officially in the race with msvc 19:38
tadzik aloha++ # I quite like you!
aloha tadzik: Thanks!
NotFound ack Enterprise Edition
tadzik regexes with CamelCase
Andy No, it'll be MyAck
no, wiat!
aCk!
NotFound Social ack
tadzik /o\\
Andy ack --like 19:39
"Here are other command-line tools people who liked ack liked."
whiteknight iAck
tadzik EnterpriseGrep
whiteknight ... /me just got sued by Apple 19:40
tadzik iii! # ayayay!
NotFound I've been thinking about developing a technology called 'diot' and wait for an Apple version: the iDiot. 19:41
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plobsing yAck perfect for all your yak shaving needs 19:41
whiteknight could name it something more obvious. searchforshit 19:42
"searchforshit -i -a namespace"
NotFound For clean and obvious names, ask plobsing ;)
Andy ack 2.0 will have no -a flag. 19:43
whiteknight I basically have to use -a for every invocation of ack 19:44
because none of the files I care about are included in results by default
and I can't be bothered to learn how to change the configurations
Andy That's why ack will have no -a flag.
NotFound $ cat .ackrc
--type-set=winxed=.winxed
whiteknight I can't be bothered to do a lot of things. it's a personality flaw
plobsing I really wish I could get "--all, but --no-cc" sometimes
Andy plobsing: With ack 2.0 you will 19:45
because there will be no --all
blueparen.com/node/5
ack's default behavior will change from only searching known filetypes to searching any file that Perl identifies as being text. It's the entire reason I'm calling it 2.0, because it's such a radical change.
NotFound I was getting bizarres reports about power source disconnected in my laptop, and finally I've discovered I was using the one for the tablet instead. Is a miracle that it even worked. 19:58
BTW, after the last upgrade the Folio 100 is pretty good. 20:01
cotto_work Andy: nice. I have acka aliased to ack -a and usually use that 20:06
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particle add -w to it and call it wacka 20:14
wacka wacka wacka 20:15
mikehh #ps time 20:30
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whiteknight I would like to use that select PMC to start work on that IRC library I was planning 20:43
cotto_work whiteknight: ww? 20:44
whiteknight ww?
cotto_work wrong window
whiteknight no. it didn't belong in #ps
cotto_work ok 20:46
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cotto_work Util: removing that while loop results in failures in 3 files: t/pmc/exception.t, t/pmc/exceptionhandler.t and t/pmc/socket_ipv6.t 21:17
Util cotto_work: thanks!
cotto_work I'm surprised. I'd expect a lot of failures or none. 21:18
Util: do you mind digging around to see why those happen?
Util exception{,handler}.t is where I got failures earlier, but I was mixing two threads of development, and had not isolated the failures yet
cotto_work: I already plan to :) 21:19
NotFound cotto_work: there aren't much test of inheriting from PMC because it never worked really well.
cotto_work Util: great
NotFound: I'm shocked
NotFound Take a look at the GET_ATTR magic and you'll be less (or maybe more) shocked. 21:21
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cotto_work NotFound: that's the joy of trying to unify C and PIR 21:40
bacek: what are your thoughts on how opsc should deal with C types with a non-C target language? 21:43
NotFound I think that a better solution may need some sort of reference PMC
mj41 thinking about new parrot-meta git repository with files like taptinder.json and content e.g. "my-branchA : buil, test", smolder.yaml "some-branchB", jitterbug.json, isparrotfastyet.conf, .... 21:52
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atrodo mj41> That's about what I was thinking as well 21:53
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mj41 atrodo: Ok. It shoul be easy to add TapTinder support for this. Also we can use after commit github hooks to make it "online". 21:58
atrodo mj41> oh, that's a really good idea 21:59
cotto_work aloha: see worr 22:03
aloha: clock?
aloha cotto_work: LAX: Tue, 14:03 PST / CHI: Tue, 16:03 CST / NYC: Tue, 17:03 EST / UTC: Tue, 22:03 UTC / LON: Tue, 22:03 GMT / BER: Tue, 23:03 CET / TOK: Wed, 07:03 JST / SYD: Wed, 09:03 EST
cotto_work aloha: seen worr
aloha cotto_work: worr was last seen in #parrot 5 days 7 hours ago joining the channel.
mj41 23:03 Prague .... need some sleep 22:04
jnthn mj41: dobru noc :) 22:05
tadzik oh, same here :) 22:06
cotto_work 2300? You've got a good 3-4 productive hours left! 22:07
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mj41 jnthn: vdaka 22:08
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cotto_work chromatic++ for weaponizing sarcasm 22:23
dalek rrot: f965a97 | util++ | t/op/exit.t:
Add `end` to pasm in op/exit.t; fixes incorrect TODO
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rrot: 127bc95 | util++ | t/op/exit.t:
Un-TODO op/exit.t
bacek_at_work ~~ 22:42
cotto, (opsc) I would like to reduce current "ops language". Remove #ifdef and #define at least. Reduce types to INSP and "opaque pointers". Etc. 22:43
cotto_work bacek_at_work: this would be to make it easier to target other languages? 22:51
If it'd been updating opsc, my laziness would dictate shrinking the subset of C used by ops first and then making ospc smarter about it. 22:52
Coke Andy: ping. 22:53
Andy yessir?
cotto_work s/it'd/I'd/ 22:54
Coke Andy: is rakudo.org still you? 22:55
Andy yes 22:56
awwww
Coke danke.
Andy all good
Coke: AIM is even better 22:57
Util cotto_work , bacek_at_work: In the core_ops.c that is generated by opsc_full_parse, why have the bodies of the ops changed from {...} to {{...}} ? 23:03
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cotto_work Util: probably a minor bug 23:05
bacek_at_work Util, minor "bug". 23:06
cotto_work Util: is it merely a minor annoyance or will it result in the compiler generating poorer code?
bacek_at_work cotto, yes, we should simplify ops first before changing opsc
Util The annoyance is that `git diff`|`git show` fills my eyes with trivia, hiding any actual changes. 23:07
cotto_work Util: should be a simple fix
Util (missing) indentation is causing the same issue. 23:08
I am poking at it now.
bacek_at_work Util, feel free to implement "pretty-printing" in opsc :)
Util thanks, will-do
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cotto_work Generated code can be ugly, but it doesn't have to be. 23:09
bacek_at_work cotto, I would like to refactor .to_c slightly. 23:10
like moving actual $chunk to first arg, passing some "$context" instead of transformation.
... instead of $trans
Then we can implement pretty-printing for ops 23:11
without big hassle
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cotto_work bacek_at_work: 23:32
bacek_at_work: I'll need to dig into the code a bit to figure out what you're talking about, but I like the idea.
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bacek_at_work cotto, Ops::Op.to_c methods. 23:33
Coke tries out opsc branch on partcl* 23:34
moderator Parrot 3.1.0 Released | parrot.org | Log: irclog.perlgeek.de/parrot/today | Goals: Get GSoC ideas on wiki. Merge/review tewk/select. Evaluate attribute_defs, rip out in branch 23:36
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dalek TT #1159 closed by jkeenan++: make distcheck target 23:45
TT #1159: trac.parrot.org/parrot/ticket/1159
Coke I missed the chance to say this at parrotsketch but here's a stretch goal: fix any tcl related bugs (most recently reported ones first) 23:51
cotto_work "Be Nice to Coke Week" 23:52
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dalek rrot: a30e6d2 | petdance++ | src/call/args.c:
fixing the places we pass around const arrays of pcc_funcs_ptr.
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rrot: b985dc5 | petdance++ | src/call/ (2 files):
fix where we pass const arrays of reg counts. Added PARROT_X decorators to some statics.