Parrot 4.2.0 "Ornithopter" | parrot.org | Log: irclog.perlgeek.de/parrot | #parrotsketch meeting Tuesday 19:30 UTC
Set by moderator on 21 March 2012.
whiteknight these timing numbers don't make any sense to me 00:14
at one iteration, the times are the same. At 10-1000 iterations the old algorithm is 3-5 times faster (not growing in a monotonic way) Over 10000 the new algorithm is a hundred times faster or more 00:17
actually, that last number is a fluke. It's only about 8 times faster 00:19
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dukeleto bugs bugs bugs bugs BUGS! 00:32
Coke /away 00:36
dalek rrot: 486331d | Whiteknight++ | src/ (2 files):
Implement StringBuilder.push_integer vtable, so we can assemble strings by pushing raw codepoints instead of needing to first create a 1-character string (chr_s_i) and then pushing that string to the StringBuilder
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bacek_at_work msg whiteknight your last commit is really really wrong. Converting string in-place is braking our promise about immutable strings. And underlying buffer can be shared between various strings. 00:51
aloha OK. I'll deliver the message.
benabik bacek_at_work: Isn't StringBuilder specifically designed for mutable strings? 00:52
bacek_at_work benabik, yes it is. 00:53
Ah. We are cloning string in get_string VTABLE. 00:54
msg whiteknight Ignore it. benabik++ pointed out my mistake.
aloha OK. I'll deliver the message.
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travis-ci [travis-ci] parrot/parrot#242 (master - 486331d : Whiteknight): The build was fixed. 01:07
[travis-ci] Change view : github.com/parrot/parrot/compare/2......486331d
[travis-ci] Build details : travis-ci.org/parrot/parrot/builds/1053488
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dalek rrot: 17a886a | jkeenan++ | src/pmc/stringbuilder.pmc:
[codingstd] Make src/pmc/stringbuilder.pmc pass c_arg_assert.t.

But it's failing pmc_docs.t because no one added documentation for a new function!		 02:46
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tadzik benabik++++ 12:30
(proposals)
masak url? 12:41
tadzik whiteknight.github.com/2012/04/09/r...osals.html
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moderator Parrot 4.2.0 "Ornithopter" | parrot.org | Log: irclog.perlgeek.de/parrot | #parrotsketch meeting Tuesday 19:30 UTC
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whiteknight good morning, #parrot 13:06
masak morgningz, whiteknight 13:07
whiteknight hello masak
tadzik 'ello whiteknight 13:08
whiteknight hello tadzik
Here's an extremely interesting (a little funny, a little sad) article about PHP: me.veekun.com/blog/2012/04/09/php-a...ad-design/
tadzik :)
whiteknight I've never seen another rant about PHP that was so complete 13:09
it is funny just how many of those problems he mention have to do with functions and their naming/arguments/behaviors/bugs 13:13
It really seems to me like a language with PHP syntax and a sane standard lib would be a major improvement 13:14
Or PHP-similar syntax. We can fix stupid things like array() and empty() not being functions, or fix references, or make functions into first-class objects 13:15
or make namespace syntax non-terrible
Of course if you make all those changes you start getting towards a language which is almost Perl, minus most sigils, default variables and magical variables 13:17
...which is not a terrible thing to converge upon, methinks
JimmyZ that looks like "The UNIX- HATERS Handbook"
brrt or python, if you converge the other way
whiteknight JimmyZ: I've never seen that one
brrt: Yeah, PHP really did borrow so much syntax from other places
Perl was the really big influence, early on. C and Java too in varying amounts over time 13:18
brrt all languages, a bit 13:19
i kind of agree with the author
i just try to not think about it :-)
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whiteknight The problem is trying to separate out the different entities. The PHP interpreter, the apache integration, the standard library, the language syntax, etc 13:20
I think there are definitely good things in there, and obviously new users pick up the language in droves for a variety of reasons
JimmyZ what I don't like is that PHP is more like java now. 13:21
whiteknight JimmyZ: I think what happens is that people see the impressive performance gains that Java has had over the years, and think that they can steal some of those ideas without understanding how they fit together 13:22
brrt php is really easy to set up
there, you have it
whiteknight brrt: yes, that's a big deal
brrt and really really easy to connect to mysql
which explains the popularity of that db, too :-)
whiteknight brrt: I would love it one day if a mod_parrot was just as easy to set up. A few apt-get calls, set up some paths, and upload a few scripts
brrt too
especially as i am in fact pretty lazy as far as setting up servers goes 13:23
whiteknight a default config file with some get-started-fast settings already prepared for a debian distro (for example) would go a long way
whitelist /var/www/parrot/ by default, dump some scripts there, get started fast 13:24
brrt yeah, we should do that
JimmyZ hopes someone will reveiw his M0 code 13:25
benabik o/ #parrot 13:27
whiteknight hello benabik 13:29
brrt hello
whiteknight brrt: I had very high hopes for a rewritten PHP6, but it seems like that is stalled
Coke whiteknight: on parrot, or standalone? 13:30
brrt yes, i believe so too
people printed books about php6
benabik "There is no threading support whatsoever." That's not really in PHP's problem domain. Trying to do threading on top of your web server's threading is probably not a good idea. 13:32
brrt benabik: good point actually, i was wondering about w/ regards to mod_parrot]
although i do not entirely agree 13:33
nine My webserver doesn't do threading. It uses processes for dynamic content. Being able to use quick threads for speeding up single requests would be awesome.
brrt threading would be very useful sometimes
as in, 'lets start a thread to resize this image'
benabik brrt: Better: send an IMG tag to the user and let that request resize it. 13:34
brrt benabik: no, wrong :-p
either you use caching of resized files 13:35
and a malicious user can blow up your server by requesting a billion different formats
or, you do not use caching
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brrt and a malicious user can blow up your server by requesting only a million different formats simultaneously 13:35
benabik If you expose completely free-form image converting, yes. 13:36
whiteknight Coke: I've never heard any of the PHP core devs talk about using Parrot as an option
Coke: Obviously I would love to see a PHP 6 on Parrot
benabik brrt: But really, a thread inside your web server is not the place to do that IMHO, esp if the resize might take longer than the original request. Use backend workers or something. 13:37
brrt benabik: that is really a pros-and-cons thing 13:38
Coke whiteknight: it was a parrot pipe dream at some point.
much like my coldfusion version.
brrt especially since php doesn't do fork, just exec()
Coke but without mod_parrot and easy DBI, I think both PHP and CF suffer from the same problem. 13:39
brrt i kind of agree that having a billion threads w/o clear rules on when they should be killed is a nightmare for a webserver 13:40
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dalek kudo/nom: b8fdbea | moritz++ | src/core/Temporal.pm:
Date.new should not die with LTA error
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PerlJam whiteknight: The link to the GSOC website at the end of your post is broken btw. It goes to whiteknight.github.com/2012/04/09/w...elange.com 14:26
whiteknight blah 14:27
detection of relative urls is poor
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dukeleto ~~ 15:11
this looks interesting: github.com/GaloisInc/HaLVM 15:12
msg whiteknight: this might be useful for PLA: github.com/fredrik-johansson/flint2 15:13
aloha OK. I'll deliver the message.
whiteknight I'll take a look in a bit
dukeleto whiteknight: it is number theory though 15:14
whiteknight OH NOES SHIELD ME FROM IT
dukeleto whiteknight: it is definitely useful for matrixy
whiteknight: my first loan fell through and now I am scrambling to make another happen. Fun!
dukeleto preps for $work 15:15
whiteknight dukeleto: Damn!
benabik Github has enabled syntax highlighting for the DCPU-16 from 0x10c 15:16
atrodo github.com/blog/1098-take-over-the...ith-github This has taken of surprisingly quickly
benabik> Haha
benabik atrodo: I guess you also follow their twitter, hm?
atrodo benabik> You would be correct 15:17
dalek kudo/nom: 32c674e | moritz++ | src/core/Backtrace.pm:
Backtrace.nice can now produce single lines
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kudo/nom: edfd0f2 | moritz++ | src/Perl6/World.pm:
[World] avoid a lookup for which we already have a variable
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kudo/nom: 8144a04 | moritz++ | src/ (3 files):
implement Routine.package
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dalek kudo/nom: 72e8fe8 | moritz++ | src/Perl6/World.pm:
[World] further cleanup by spider-mario++
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dukeleto ~~ 18:52
whiteknight hello dukeleot
or dukeleto
dukeleto whiteknight: howdy
whiteknight sucks about your loan. the bank 'tis a fickle mistress 18:56
if you need a burning paper bag of human waste left on somebody's doorstepp, prvmsg me
I suspect USPS will hassle me about the shipping, however 18:57
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dukeleto whiteknight: :) 20:22
dalek rrot: 63c15b7 | NotFound++ | src/platform/generic/dl.c:
POD for static helper functions
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rrot: ee4c8c9 | NotFound++ | src/pmc/stringbuilder.pmc:
add function POD and argument decorators to calculate_capacity
kudo/nom: 4bacf1a | moritz++ | src/core/Exception.pm:
add line numbers for warnings

does not yet do the right things for warnings thrown from inside the setting, but warn() calls should be fine		 21:09
kudo/nom: fa2d53c | moritz++ | / (2 files):
first shot at bringing Str.indent back
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alester Is there a list of GSOC proposals somehwere? 22:21
I've seen them whiz by and didn't think anything of it
dukeleto alester: i think you need to log into the melange website to view them 22:22
alester but then I thought "Oh wait, maybe there's cage stuff that people want to do and I could help"
benabik alester: whiteknight.github.com/2012/04/09/r...osals.html
alester I don't know what the melange website is.
benabik www.google-melange.com
You'd need to sign up to be a mentor to view the full proposals. Although that doesn't commit you to anything. :-)
alester ok, so everything there is outside of my ballpark. 22:25
Because I don't understand Parrot in the slightest. :-)
Well, I do. I just don't know enough to do anything useful and forward-thinking. 22:27
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dalek rrot: 5f6ac7a | petdance++ | frontend/pbc_dump/packdump.c:
Treat printed_flag_p like the boolean it is, rather than pretending it's a counter
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whiteknight good afternoon, #parrot 23:07
benabik o/ whiteknight
aloha (parrot/parrot) Issues opened : 755 (PackFile_pack_size returns the wrong type) by petdance : github.com/parrot/parrot/issues/755 23:08
whiteknight hello benabik 23:09
benabik oops, gtg 23:11
whiteknight I don't know if anybody else has ever heard of "Mari0", the "mario with portals" game 23:16
but I think all my free time for the next few days has officially dried up
alester Is that part of the m0 branch?
whiteknight no, it's a game. Not parrot related
alester I know, I kid.
Besides, maybe if I joke about it I'll be kept from being tempted to go look and maybe download it and play it and OH MY GOD iT'S 3:15 IN THE MORNING WHY AM I STILL UP PLAYING THIS DAMN THING 23:18
(Not that that's happened in the past)
(week or two)
whiteknight what we need is an easy game-creation framework for Parrot 23:21
dukeleto whiteknight: go on... 23:29
whiteknight: the SDLx:: namespace on CPAN is pretty interesting
whiteknight I don't have any concrete plans, but I 23:33
'm playng this game and I wish it were on parrot
dalek rrot: f17bd2d | petdance++ | src/packfile/api.c:
Remove unnecessary cast
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rrot: 81d3c08 | petdance++ | / (3 files):
adding more function annotations
nbrown hello parrot 23:51
whiteknight HELLO NBROWN 23:57
sorry for yelling
nbrown no problem, it happens from time to time
whiteknight my kid hit the capslock 23:58
nbrown ha ha
I was hoping to find some m0 folks to talk to, but it seems pretty dead in here right now 23:59
whiteknight dukeleto was here
nbrown looks like I just missed him

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