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dalek r31964 | cotto++ | trunk: 00:01
: [t] update tests to check that dynpmcs and dynops have test coverage
: patch courtesy of Rafael Sanchez
diff: www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=31964
Infinoid anything in the backtrace look likely? I'm not really sure how to hunt this down further.
driving home, back soon & 00:02
particle bah, missed him by this much 00:05
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dalek r31965 | Whiteknight++ | calling_conventions: 00:11
: [Calling_conventions] A few changes that fix the segfault I was having earlier, but introduce a new segfault later in the build process.
diff: www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=31965
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dalek r31966 | chromatic++ | trunk: 00:20
: [OO] Avoided an exception in fail_if_type_exists(), where the code attempts to
: stringify the name of a class if someone has already registered it. Because
: the "name" of the class may be a ResizableStringArray and because you can't
: stringify an RSA in a same way, this exception would get lost in an exception
: in the Default PMC's get_string() vtable entry.
diff: www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=31966
chromatic 0.89% speed improvement in my benchmark. 00:22
At least it cleans up the callgrind output somewhat. longjmp confuses it terribly.
Whiteknight longjmp is one of those esoteric holdovers that is only really useful for virtual machine developers 00:24
lucky us
chromatic Yes. We rock. Woo hoo. 00:26
Whiteknight I almost can't think of a single rational use for longjmp besides implementing an exception system 00:27
I can think of plenty of irrational ones :)
chromatic Avoiding stack smashing. 00:29
Cheap coroutines.
When you really really don't want to pay the overhead of your C and libc and processor ABI but you're too scared of FORTRAN.
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chromatic purl msg pmichaud See compilers/pge/PGE/Exp.pir:99 -- this seems to be the source of the multiple class registration attempts. 00:47
purl Message for pmichaud stored.
dalek r31967 | Whiteknight++ | calling_conventions: 00:52
: [Calling_conventions] Fix it so it compiles again, without undoing any of the changes I've been making.
diff: www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=31967
cotto would this be a good time to re-apply, test and commit the patch from #52778 (Are resizable arrays too Perlish?) 01:19
all tests (core and perl6) pass 01:20
(using string_from_literal instead of CONST_STRING for resizablestringarray.pmc) 01:24
hmm. bbl. I'll commit then.
Coke whatever ticket I had tene work on earlier is closable now. 01:29
if someone would like to make chromatic happy.
Ah. I also am suffering from the TGE bug. (where PGE is now autosplitting on :: but TGE ain't. 01:32
Coke digs up that ticket.
Tene Coke: ! 01:34
Coke it's not a ticket, huh.
Coke responds on the thread to parrotbug to make it a ticket.
Tene Coke: Can you describe what's happening?
Coke: Or make a more restricted test case? 01:35
Coke ... PGE is autosplitting on :: but TGE isn't?
so PGE puts things in the namespace "TclExpr"; "Grammar", but TGE is still looking at "TclExpr::Grammar" ?
Tene Coke: I don't understand TGE well enough yet to see where that needs to happen.
If you can give me an example in the generated PIR, it will help me a lot 01:36
Coke .namespace [ 'TclExpr::PAST::Grammar' ] 01:37
$P1 = subclass 'TGE::Grammar', 'TclExpr::PAST::Grammar'
.return tree.get('dispatch', node, 'TclExpr::Grammar')
Tene I guess I need to check out TCL, then. 01:38
Coke eh, probably findable in pheme.
I am obviously more familiar with tcl, though.
Tene I was having trouble figuring out pheme
Coke well, I'm here and available to blather about tcl. =-)
Tene I wonder if TGE needs to start producing code that uses P6object 01:39
Coke I hope not.
but then I think of p6object as a perl 6 only thing. 01:40
I don't see any examples in t/compilers/tge/*.t that rely on the :: split. 01:41
Tene No, there are none 01:42
I was asking earlier for a failing test in t/compilers/tge
Think you can make one, or do I need to actually read TGE? 01:45
Coke I probably can condense the failing bits of tcl into a test, but despair of doing so tnoight. 01:49
Tene That would make it much easier for me. Think you can do it this week? 01:50
Coke probably.
purl Really? Probably? Are you Certain it's not certain? Are you sure it's unsure? I think you need to look harder.
Tene Fantastic.
Coke++ 01:51
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confound yesterday on #perl I suggested a languages/sendmail.cf directory for parrot 03:26
no one volunteered.
Infinoid isn't that ... m4? 03:30
or was m4 invented to make sendmail.cf slightly less painful? (I forget. sendmail is responsible for years of therapy bills.) 03:31
Tene Mmm... sendmail... 03:39
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confound Infinoid: m4 was invented to make sendmail.cf slightly less painful 04:23
so you could say things like SEND_MY_MAIL_TO(the.right.place) instead of... whatever
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dalek r31968 | cotto++ | trunk: 04:42
: [pmc] make resizable array PMCs not be too Perlish (closes #52778)
diff: www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=31968
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chromatic t/pmc/resizablebooleanarray (Wstat: 512 Tests: 23 Failed: 2) 06:16
Failed tests: 22-23
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cotto that's odd. It passes for me 06:29
moritz fails here too 06:30
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cotto what happens when you run the test with perl instead of prove? 06:37
that'll say exactly which part of the tests are failing 06:39
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cotto moritz, x64? 07:01
moritz cotto: no, 32 bit (Debian GNU/Linux 4.0) 07:05
cotto hmm. I'm trying to make realclean and rebuild 07:06
oh. apparently I have a locally modified (as in fixed) version of that test I forgot to commit 07:10
I need to clear out my working svn dir so I can find that kind of thing more easily 07:11
dalek r31969 | cotto++ | trunk: 07:12
: [t] fix a test that broke after the previous commit
diff: www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=31969
r31970 | particle++ | trunk: 07:14
: [rakudo] implement tagsets in 'is export()' trait
diff: www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=31970
r31971 | cotto++ | trunk:
: [strings] add a TODO concerning the hashval caching bug
diff: www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=31971
r31972 | particle++ | trunk:
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dalek : [rakudo] remove commented out code 07:14
diff: www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=31972
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cotto chromatic++ for reporting that 07:19
moritz++ for the same reason
karma foo
purl foo has karma of 16
cotto foo++ foo++
karma foo
purl foo has karma of 17
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davidfetter karma davidfetter 07:20
purl davidfetter has karma of 3
davidfetter that's odd
cotto davidfetter++ #now we're even 07:21
particle1 saw tom lane last weekend 07:22
davidfetter cotto, heh
yeah, i heard about that. he's a good speaker :) 07:23
particle work in < 6 hours. bed & 07:26
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dalek r31973 | kjs++ | trunk: 10:44
: [NEWS] added news for compilers/pirc
diff: www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=31973
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Coke Tene: I gave you about 75% of what you need, I think. 13:01
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pmichaud I don't quite understand why PGE's splitting namespaces on '::' has anything to do with TGE. 14:10
oh, never mind, I do understand why. 14:11
Coke did languages get tested before that got merged back to trunk, OOC? 14:15
pmichaud many did, yes. 14:16
tcl wasn't in the repo at that point, though.
I don't know if pheme was tested.
Coke I was thinking more abou... right.
pmichaud the merge-to-trunk happened while I was on the plane ... I didn't know it was coming.
Coke I don't expect tcl to be tested, even when it -is- in the repository. =-)
pmichaud I think they pushed the merge quickly so that particle would have an up-to-date copy of trunk on his plane ride, or something like that. 14:17
particle yes, that's right, however my flight left hours before yours, so... 14:18
pmichaud ...it did? what time did you leave?
Coke should probably add things that require a separate test run to the branch docs (pheme? nqp...) 14:19
particle 11:15am for airport
pmichaud oh, I was already in the air at that point :-)
assuming you mean 11:15am PDT :-)
my flight left 12:30pm CDT, which would be 10:30am PDT
particle oh, i got confused then on friday, sorry 14:20
jhorwitz is sad pmichaud missed the lolcats by 10 mins
pmichaud me too. but I'm very glad I made my flight. I heard lolcats was the best talk of the set.
particle it was really funny 14:21
jhorwitz making your flight is a good thing these days. :)
Coke vaguely worries about his flight to the uk which is, what, six weeks out? 14:22
pmichaud speaking of which, do we have any more details about the Parrot summit? 14:23
that's 4.5 weeks out or something like that
...so, what should we do about TGE? 14:25
particle i need some help with the wiki
Tene jhorwitz: what's this about lolcats?
particle i need to set up a survey&|spreadsheet&|table 14:26
something where folks can answer questions, like:
~ are you planning on attending the summit
~ if no, would you attend if your travel was funded?
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particle ~ if yes, what are your expected flight expenses? 14:27
~ do you mind sharing a room at the summit?
Tene Is the summit something that I should want to go to?
particle after i have answers to the survey, i can talk to the hotel
tene: yes
jhorwitz Tene: i did a lightning talk, "the lolcat history of perl6 and parrot". 50 slides of lolcats.
Tene jhorwitz: posting the slides?
particle tene: i'd like you there. it's for core parrot devs and hll devs
jhorwitz i'm working on transcribing the talk first -- the slides make no sense otherwise. :) 14:28
Tene needs to quickly get dressed and run to work. 14:29
particle drink more espresso!
lasermike026 jhorwitz: slacking again. 14:30
jhorwitz koko!
lasermike026 yo.
particle hey, it's like a little reunion. 14:33
jhorwitz looks for a smiley with a cigar... 14:35
lasermike026 that's right, you work at home.
particle pmichaud: have a look at the code i stuck in last night and let me know if it needs changing 14:36
actions.pm ~850-900
pmichaud particle: I looked at it already -- it looks fine to me, although I think it could use some minor refactoring.
particle like what?
purl i think like is that generally frowned upon by ISPs?
particle i want to refactor other code based on this sample 14:37
pmichaud I wouldn't check for 'infix:,', for example. 14:38
particle just isa and pasttype? 14:39
pmichaud yes
particle ok, that's the one area i was a bit paranoid
pmichaud also, I think that the section that builds the binding code from @export_ns might need to be hoisted a little higher in processing
since 'multi' will also have the effect of 'is export'
particle btw once i saw the light about introspecting past, the code flowed like a river
pmichaud: yes, i need to write tests for that first, then i'll refactor based on them 14:40
pmichaud so, that part might need to be in routine_declarator instead of routine_def 14:41
which would mean that @export_ns acts like an attribute on the PAST::Block node somehow
particle that might help for subpackages, too
pmichaud yes.
particle fab. are subpackages working yet?
pmichaud not as far as I know. 14:42
particle ok. i'll test it.
pmichaud I'm a little surprised by 14:43
my $tag := $_<named><value>;
I would've just guessed $_<named>
particle doesn't $_<named> include the colon? i'll double-check 14:44
pmichaud are you talking about the PAST or the grammar?
the named params don't normally include the ':'
particle grammar. ok, i'll look at the parse again 14:45
pmichaud my point is that it's not the parse at that point
$_ is a PAST::Val node
or, even more likely, $_.named() 14:46
particle ah, there i thought "i need the string, i'll grab it from the parse" 14:47
pmichaud better is to grab it from the ast, I think. 14:48
particle so, yeah, you're right. should have used the past there
so, it's my feeling that any time you use something more than once, it should be bound to a variable to save instructions. does that make sense? 14:49
$_<foo><bar>[0] can get expensive
pmichaud I'm more interested in code clarity.
particle it's clearer with variables, too, i suspect
pmichaud yes.
I was about to write "in general, binding expressions to a variable makes things clearer."
otoh, binding to a variable that isn't reused is more expensive 14:50
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pmichaud my $name := $aux<name>; 14:51
## is export(...)
if $name eq 'export' {
particle yes, correct on binding.
pmichaud I would've written that as
if $aux<name> eq 'export' {
particle no, because eventually other traits will be processed
so $name will be reused 14:52
pmichaud in which case I'm hoping we get out of the if/then/else mode for that
particle yes please!
PerlJam There sure seems a lot of stair-step effect in that code. 14:53
particle i'm not fond of if $foo { for $foo {, but it's necessary in many places 14:54
PerlJam why?
Do you sometimes get a boolean false that you don't want to iterate over?
pmichaud PerlJam: undef 14:55
$foo := $<something>
for $foo { ... }
PerlJam last unless $foo; :-)
pmichaud where $<something> ends up being undef
last doesn't help here, because we're trying to iterate over an undef. 14:56
i.e., it breaks before even getting into the loop.
PerlJam So ... you guard the loop when you don't want to iterate over an undef, and you don't when you do want to iterate over an undef? 14:59
pmichaud PerlJam: the problem is that "iterate over undef" isn't defined in Parrot.
$P0 = new 'Undef' 15:00
$P1 = iter $P0 # error
particle ayep
PerlJam error == die a horrible death?
pmichaud "get_iter not supported in Undef" or somesuch.
particle: my $export_ns_base := ( $?NS ?? $?NS ~ '::' !! '' ) ~ 'EXPORT::'; 15:02
looks odd.
why the ternary? 15:03
particle if you're in the main package, you don't want ::
pmichaud uhhhh why not?
particle main package, no package
pmichaud well, technically we're always in a package.
particle use v6; say $?PACKAGE; # says what?
pmichaud 'Main'
particle that's not true now 15:04
pmichaud correct, it's not.
particle currently it's ''
pmichaud but even so, the leading ::'s wouldn't hurt.
particle ok then
pmichaud I would just do $?NS ~ '::EXPORT::'
particle so how do we break out of if/elsif/else? 15:06
multimethods?
purl multimethods are the extension in the other direction
pmichaud probably. I'm not going to worry about it just yet until I see how the other traits refactor. 15:07
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PerlJam perhaps it's just me, but someone seems to have cleaned up actions.pm in a good way. It seems easier to read than when last I looked at it. 15:09
pmichaud I've been iteratively removing inline PIR sections and refactoring things, yes.
but the stuff I've been doing hasn't been primarily aimed at readability -- more at correctness. 15:10
PerlJam well, the side effects are excellent :)
$?BLOCK.symbol('___HAVE_A_SIGNATURE') heh, that looks like a hack waiting on something else to be implemented. 15:17
particle indeed, there are still ugly hacks 15:19
some due to nqp limitations, some due to human limitations
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PerlJam That particular hack doesn't have a #TODO or #XXX associated with it. Newish contributors to rakudo might propagate the hack through-ou code not realizing it's a hack. 15:23
s/-ou/-out/
particle actions.pm needs a good once over 15:24
i keep hoping to do it, but adding features is sexier 15:25
so i do bit-at-a-time as i add features
i will respond to requests for clarity, though
PerlJam that's the sane way
pmichaud (propagate hack) might --> have been 15:30
a lot of the hacks come from trying to inspect the parse tree instead of the ast
dalek r31974 | julianalbo++ | trunk: 15:36
: fix PMC_IS_NULL used instead of STRING_IS_NULL in oo.c
diff: www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=31974
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particle my $export_ns_base := ~$?NS ~ '::EXPORT::'; # causes test failures 15:45
does that mean Perl6::Compiler.parse_name() needs fixing? looks like. 15:46
pmichaud it shouldn't -- I was using it w/o difficulty before. 15:50
I know that it's supposed to be stripping out empty namespaces.
and ignoring leading colons. 15:51
particle yes, that's what it should do. hrmm
pmichaud I wonder if $?NS isn't set.
although if that's the case it should still stringify to ''
particle right
i even added prefix:~ 15:52
maybe it's .named() that's causing the failures, i'm looking
pmichaud does it cause lots of test failures or just in the S11 tests?
particle i only ran s11
pmichaud the tests don't compile, or they run and fail?
particle t\\spec\\S11-modules\\export.t 30 8 11-12 15-16 19-20 24-25
pmichaud it's possible that parse_name is broken. 15:53
might need some 00-parrot tests for that.
particle it's also possible that $_.named() is causing the failures, since that defines the namespace names 15:54
the failures are during === =:= tests
pmichaud how could that be causing the failure? you mean it's returning the wrong value?
particle yes
but it's more likely parse_name
pmichaud well, we already know it's non-null.
I would do one change or the other and test 15:55
rather than both (and not know which)
particle yep
already rebuilding with $?NS ternary 15:56
pmichaud afk, lunch 16:06
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particle the trouble was in replacing $_<named><value> 16:18
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dalek r31975 | julianalbo++ | trunk: 16:50
: fix some signed-unsigned warnings
diff: www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=31975
r31976 | particle++ | trunk: 16:51
: [rakudo] some refactorings suggested by pmichaud++
diff: www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=31976
Tene particle: in that case, I'd love to go, but I don't anticipate having money available for travel. 16:53
particle tene: we may be able to fund your travel
that's why i need to set up the questionaire
but i can't figure out a good way with that wiki software 16:54
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Tene particle: I'd also need to arrange for time off from work... what's the date? 16:56
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particle 15-16 nov 17:00
www.parrot.org/wiki/parrot-developer-summit-2008 17:01
Tene Hmm. 17:02
If there's a class the week before, I might be able to get work to fly me there after teaching instead of home.
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particle tene, jhorwitz; could you answer the questions on the wiki? www.parrot.org/wiki/parrot-developer-summit-2008 17:08
Tene Do I have write access to the wiki?
particle cool, that would make it easier
hrmm, it would be a problem if you don't
but i can fix that
you should be able to add yourself as a user 17:10
dalek r31977 | julianalbo++ | trunk:
: fix a const issue in multidispatch that was creating lots of warnings
diff: www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=31977
Tene is waiting for registration email to greylist. 17:13
pmichaud okay, I'm on the list. 17:20
moritz when is the nex parrot dev event in europe? ;-) 17:23
PerlJam moritz: Take the survey :) 17:26
btw, I like "Parrot speaks your language" 17:27
chromatic Europe? Europe still exists? 17:28
NotFound plays 'The final countdown' 17:29
pmichaud Europe is the place that is telling the U.S. how to get out of its financial meltdown :-|
pmichaud notes that "financial meltdown" and "the final countdown" sound a lot alike.... 17:30
Infinoid uck.
PerlJam too many syllables in the former
pmichaud I cound five in both.
*count
dalek r31978 | chromatic++ | trunk: 17:31
: [OO] Fixed PMC_IS_NULL() check to check the right PMC (see r31966 and r31974).
diff: www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=31978
pmichaud should updating parrot.org be included in docs/project/release_manager_guide.pod ? 17:33
oh, it's there now 17:34
just didn't see it with the other updates
should we be using parrotcode.org or parrot.org as the primary url for Parrot? 17:35
e.g., /topic
particle parrot.org i think, but migration is incomplete 17:36
the parrot.org homepage should say something about that
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Zaba In perl6, is it possible to make an operator like 'something' first param 'delimiter' second param 'somethingelse'? 17:44
moritz I don't fully understand the question, but probably "yes" 17:45
do you want to define an infix operator? Or a ternary?
TimToady at token is always allowed to parse sub-expressions as part of itself
*a 17:46
Zaba An operator | ; |, that'd take 2 params, x and y, used as | x ; y |..
TimToady well, that would be ambiguous with prefix:<|> 17:47
moritz but if you choose a differten symbol.. then yes.
TimToady (don't tell Zaba we've used up all the other symbols too :) 17:48
Zaba | ; | was only an example..
moritz TimToady: with the exception of ` and .ord > 127
;)
TimToady in fact, the ternary rule in STD simply treats ??<EXPR>!! as a "fat token" binary
moritz we've taken all the good ones, though ;)
Infinoid syntax highlighters love unary ` 17:49
TimToady and basically all circumfixes in STD treat '(' ~ ')' <EXPR> as single tokens when viewed from above 17:50
moritz in Perl 6 syntax hilights you ;)
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Coke pmichaud: is 59006 resolved to your satisfaction? 18:31
pmichaud Coke: yes, it is. I'm a very satisfied customer there. 18:32
Do you want to resolve it or shall I? 18:33
Tene Which airport would I fly into to get to mountain view?
pmichaud I think SJC is closest
follow by SFO and OAK
Coke I can do it.
pmichaud Tene: see code.google.com/events/visitors/ 18:34
Tene Clever.
pmichaud AA flies direct to SJC from DFW, so I'll probably go that route. SWA also flies to SJC, but it's anything but direct (because we can't get direct from DAL to _anywhere_) 18:35
Tene SLC is a delta hub, which is nice
Hmm. Looks like I could fly for not much more than $200 18:36
pmichaud there's a $200 fare via Frontier Airlines from DFW to SJC (1 stop, I don't know where)
Tene What time will things start on Saturday? 18:37
There, page updated. 18:38
Need to consult with boss, though.
particle we have a room at google from 9-5 sat&sun 18:41
and they'll provide lunch 18:42
pmichaud I'm guessing arrive fri evening and (hopefully) depart sun afternoon. But if we think we'll need time on Sun afternoon then perhaps I should move my flight to Monday. 18:44
or maybe I can find a very late flight back.
it's much easier to get late flights going east-to-west than vice-versa.
particle i can get 7p departure sunday 18:46
pmichaud yes, but you're flying north, not east :-P 18:47
particle we won't have the room after 5p, so there's no conference reason to stay
pmichaud but the question is really: do I need to plan to attend after 1pm sunday?
if yes, then I either have to get a very late flight, or have another night stay
particle i think we can deal with that. can you put up a wiki page with travel constraints/questions? 18:48
it'll help in developing the schedule
but, really, it'll be a dozen people or so in one room
pmichaud well, let me see what the latest reasonable flight I can get on Sunday
particle so it shouldn't be hard to organize around travel
chromatic AHHH, filing new tickets doesn't help get our numbers down. 18:49
Tene Okay, work says they'll try to arrange for me to be home on an adjacent week, so the girl won't get upset, and if I'm traveling the adjacent week they'll get me a flight to or from there. 18:52
chromatic: it raises the number of tickets but helps to lower the number of issues.
The issues are there whether there's a ticket for them or not.
pmichaud I can get a 9:30p flight on Sunday, puts me back to DFW 5:05a on Monday :-P
Tene I still need to get another class in Dallas, so I can leave threatening notes and parrot feathers on pmichaud's doorstep. 18:53
chromatic Tene, ha ha only serious.
pmichaud Tene: you could send the via UPS or FedEx :-P
s/the/them/ 18:54
Tene chromatic: that ticket I filed about RPA::append, I can't find any notes left for me about how to reproduce or what I was using it for, and the commit you reference looks relevant, so I'd recommend closing that ticket.
chromatic: I also recommend scolding me for not providing a way to reproduce. 18:55
chromatic slaps Tene with a skyscraper
No PIR? NO BUGFIX FOR YOU.
Tene Much better. I can feel myself growing more responsible already.
chromatic Good, because lots of people fell out of the windows when I pulled the building out of the ground. 18:56
I do remain hopeful that some of the width and signedness warnings cleanup will accidentally fix some 64-bit issues.
Tene Oh? Want me to check? 18:57
I think they showed up with the jit core, right?
particle (tene's work)++
Tene OR, I could give you ssh to my laptop, if you think you can reproduce.
dalek r31979 | coke++ | trunk:
: [codingstd] remove commented out code, resolve RT#43739
diff: www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=31979
particle ...gorram 64bit mess... 18:58
NotFound The way to fix 64 bit issues is to have more people working in 64 bit machines. For example, send me a good one ;) 19:01
pmichaud particle: I just edited the existing attendee survey page
chromatic I don't remember them being 64-bit specific.
moritz has a 64bit machine with a 32 bit kernel on it
pmichaud I'll probably switch back to 64-bit here when the next release of kubuntu appears this month
moritz might be time to re-install from scratch
Infinoid I've got a debian/x86_64 box I can provide shell access on, should anyone need it 19:02
NotFound A system, I mean, not just a machine.
Infinoid I do most of my work on a gentoo/x86_64 laptop, but that one moves around a lot, so shell access is problematic. 19:03
NotFound Infinoid: It is actually showing some 64 specific ticket? 19:04
Infinoid does a build on debian/x86_64 to find out 19:05
Coke purl, 685-46-633
purl 6
Infinoid NotFound: got a 64 specific ticket for me to check for?
NotFound Infinoid: don't remember any ATM. Some failing test? 19:06
Infinoid #59876 has been failing for me on gentoo, should be able to reproduce it on debian too 19:07
moritz Coke++ # closing tickets like hell
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dalek r31980 | coke++ | trunk: 19:12
: [mmd] add passing test from RT#41291 (multi dispatch on null)
diff: www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=31980
Coke moritz: just the easy ones! =-) 19:13
Infinoid NotFound: yep, reproduced #59876 19:15
NotFound Infinoid: If I understand well, in that ticket what is failed is the test, not parrot.
Infinoid I bet it's an easy fix, I just haven't looked at the details.
NotFound I don't think that a word size of 8 in a 64 bit machine is a failure at all. 19:16
Infinoid agreed 19:17
NotFound What surprises me is that someone expect that wordsize 2 may work.
Infinoid I haven't tried ot use one of those architectures this century 19:18
s/ot/to/
NotFound Unless the machine has CHAR_BIT > 8, but in that case a lot of things will fail.
Infinoid I know toshiba has made some 128-bit MIPS processors... haven't managed to get my hands on one yet. 19:19
dalek r31981 | Whiteknight++ | trunk: 19:20
: [PMC] Update documentation for stmvar.pmc, as per RT#43261
diff: www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=31981
r31982 | julianalbo++ | trunk: 19:23
: implement sysinfo CPU_ARCH, RT#59722
diff: www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=31982
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Coke HEY DID ANYONE ELSE GET THEIR GOOGLE T SHIRT!? huh!? 19:49
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Tene Oh! That must be what that is. 19:50
I heard I got a squishy package from google, but I haven't gone to pick it up yet.
moritz never got one
Tene I never participated in any gsoc-related stuff. I feel like I must have cheated to get one. 19:51
chromatic It's a t-shirt.
Odd design, but black and free.
Tene Perhaps I'll just leave it in the box, so it remains mysterious.
pmichaud "I mentored GSOC and all I got was some broken code and this t-shirt." :-P
moritz mentored GSOC, got lots of good code but not t-shirt 19:52
I think that combination is preferable ;)
NotFound moritz: Maybe the shirt is the consolation prize for the others.
moritz NotFound: heh, never thought of it that way ;) 19:53
Tene I could ship my shirt to moritz 19:55
Infinoid oh, speaking of GSOC, did we ever hear back from Senaka Fernando regarding harmony GC and parrot?
NotFound Tene: fax it.
Infinoid I answered a bunch of questions back in may-june and then heard nothing.
particle i don't remember anything from senaka after that 19:56
Infinoid bugs him on yahoo
NotFound Did you think that if we call it 'Bit recicling' instead of 'Garbage collection' we've got more donations from enviromentally concerned organizations? 19:57
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cjfields Coke: got my shirt as well (mentored for NEScent) 20:00
...goes to show anyone can get one :) 20:01
TimToady phone
cjfields (well, as long as they do the work)
particle chromatic: are you joining in? 20:03
chromatic Yes. Would you believe my broker called at 12:53 pm? 20:05
Coke ... except for the part where you have a broker.
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dalek r31983 | particle++ | trunk: 20:40
: [rakudo] minor action grammar refactorings
diff: www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=31983
particle pmichaud: so, how do i know the name of the package(s) just used, so i can grab ::EXPORT::... ? 20:43
should i be introspecting the ast in use_statement?
probably need to look in $sub after it's compiled 20:45
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Whiteknight I've got two tests failing on my system, is that known? 23:01
I haven't run make test on trunk in a while, so I dont know 23:02
actually I've got four failing tests, but two of them are codingstd tests that I broke 23:03
Coke the smolder tests have been failing for days. 23:04
Whiteknight no, I've only got one failing test, pcre.t 23:05
Coke smolder.plusthree.com/app/public_pr...st_failure 23:06
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dalek r31984 | Whiteknight++ | trunk: 23:08
: [Core] Test for NULL pointer dereferencing in src/stacks.c, as per RT#43851
diff: www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=31984
r31985 | Whiteknight++ | trunk: 23:09
: [Core] codingstd fix on the stuff I just wrote.
diff: www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=31985
r31986 | Whiteknight++ | trunk: 23:10
: [PMC] Codingstd trailing whitespace fix for some documentation I added earlier today.
diff: www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=31986
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chromatic Coke, do you have GMP? 23:12
Coke maybe? 23:13
(that's not my smolder report)
chromatic Okay. Someone doesn't have GMP. 23:14
Coke ... are we requiring GMP?
tetragon wonders if anyone has looked at RT#59874
Coke wonders if there's some way to auto-URL that in this discussion. 23:15
chromatic tetragon, that's the one we're discussing.
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tetragon I'm preparing a fresh tree at the moment, but that build is still around 23:16
Coke sadly, I think that started failing after allison fixed pow for me. =-)
tetragon And no, I don't have GMP installed. Even when I had my iBook (which had GMP), parrot couldn't find the thing as it was a framework build instead of a Unix build. 23:18
chromatic Okay, one moment please. 23:19
dalek r31987 | chromatic++ | trunk: 23:21
: [t] Skipped arithmetic overflow test if Parrot didn't link against GMP (RT
: #59874, Seneca Cunningham).
diff: www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=31987
chromatic tetragon, would you mind upgrading to r31987 and running prove t/op/arithmetic.t? No rebuild necessary.
tetragon The test skipped, and nothing in that file failed. Does the check have any effects on 64-bit? 23:22
My 64-bit build passed the old test without any issues
chromatic 32-bit integers will overflow. 64-bit integers are fine. I suppose the test is more of 32-bit overflow than anything else. 23:23
tetragon (although it failed the wordsize test in t/native_pbc/header.t (RT#59876))
So the test will be skipped even on my system where it would pass 23:24
chromatic For now. If someone wants to modify it to check for 64-bitness, even better. 23:25
The conditional will be something like skip( ... ) if $PConfig{intvalsize} == 4 && !$PConfig{gmp}; 23:26
dalek r31988 | Whiteknight++ | trunk:
: [Core] Remove rotate_entries function from src/stacks.c, which isn't used anywhere. Doing this as per a suggestion in RT#43851
diff: www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=31988
chromatic If you test that on 32- and 64-bit builds and it makes sense, let me know and I'll make that change.
Whiteknight two tickets today! 23:27
tetragon Skips on 32-bit
Coke anyone else have an opinion on closing out the "self contained languages" ticket? 23:28
tetragon Doesn't skip on 64-bit
Whiteknight Larry met Professor Aho? I'm so jealous!
chromatic Does it pass on 64-bit?
tetragon Yes
Coke of Professor Aho? eh. I've met larry. it's not that special. 23:29
chromatic still? 23:30
Coke chromatic: I wonder if #38432 is related to the exceptional issues we've been seeing elsewhere.
dalek r31989 | chromatic++ | trunk: 23:31
: [t] Refined intval overflow test to skip only with 32-bit INTVALs without GMP,
: per Seneca Cunningham.
diff: www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=31989
chromatic Coke, I wonder the same. 23:32
Tene Can anyone tell me how to build a jit-capable parrot?
chromatic perl Configure.pl --jitcapable 23:33
Tene chromatic++
Coke an intrepid bug-admin could probably combine several of the open storable tickets for parrot. I suspect some duplication. 23:41
Tene Hm. I still get a segfault on 64-bit trying to use jit for perl6
Whiteknight Alfred Aho was one of the authors of AWK, co-author of the dragon book, and did a few other things
Coke ... it's a joke, son. 23:42
aho?
purl i heard aho was the A in AWK?
Coke pats purl onna head.
Tene Coke: how's that TGE test coming?
Coke ... did you see my email?
Whiteknight damn sons, oh no he di'n't
chromatic Bumping to Storable 2.18 seems the most reasonable solution to me.
Tene Coke: I didn't see any email from you
Coke it was attachd to the ticket.
Tene Coke: unless it was to a list...
chromatic They'll need a crane. 23:43
Tene I guess this would be easier if I had a short-term memory.
There's a ticket?
Ah, 59912 23:45
Coke rt.perl.org/rt3/Ticket/Display.html?id=59912
... curse my metal body, I wasn't fast enough.
Tene It's okay. It's shiny enough.
Was chromatic's patch there applied? 23:46
Coke not sfaik. I haven't tested it yet, either.
chromatic I haven't applied it. Allison said she'd take a look. 23:47
Coke rt.perl.org/rt3/Ticket/Display.html?id=45965 ... I could probably whip up a patch that removed the leading __ from the slot names. Any interest ? 23:51
chromatic Yes please. 23:53
nopaste "tene" at 67.137.148.11 pasted "this might be another part of the fix needed for TGE (Coke++)" (19 lines) at nopaste.snit.ch/14300 23:56
Tene Hm, I'm not sure if that shoudl be new or if that should be a get_class/new pair 23:57
no time to test right now, need to run home.
chromatic Tene, that seems pretty sane. Mostly it needs to mirror what parsegrammar() does. 23:58

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