Parrot 2.8.0 released | parrot.org Log: irclog.perlgeek.de/parrot/today | Nopaste: nopaste.snit.ch:8001 | close 25 tickets; remove deprecated items (especially CodeString);
Set by moderator on 24 September 2010.
bacek_at_work ~~ 00:03
cotto ~? 00:04
whiteknight 'ello
cotto ~ello
bacek_at_work seen nwellnhof 00:05
aloha nwellnhof was last seen in #parrot 1 days 1 hours ago joining the channel.
bacek_at_work hmm...
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bacek_at_work msg nwellnhof Can you catch me on IRC to discuss gc_ms2 improvements? 00:06
aloha OK. I'll deliver the message.
GeJ G'Day bacek. 00:11
bacek_at_work G'Day GeJ
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bacek_at_work GeJ, you'll love it :) 00:21
clock?
aloha SYD: Tue, 10:21 EST / UTC: Tue, 00:21 UTC
bacek_at_work if someone want more timezone in "clock" just tell me alias ant full timezone name 00:24
GeJ I'd say PDT, EDT and CEST 00:29
bacek_at_work Full tz names? 00:32
GeJ America/Los_Angeles America/New_York and Europe/Madrid
CEST shoudl cover jnthn and moritz. 00:34
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GeJ clock? 00:36
aloha GeJ: SYD: Tue, 10:36 EST / PTD: Mon, 17:36 PDT / EDT: Mon, 20:36 EDT / UTC: Tue, 00:36 UTC / CEST: Tue, 02:36 CEST
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bacek_at_work clock? 00:38
aloha bacek_at_work: MAD: Tue, 02:38 CEST / SYD: Tue, 10:38 EST / NYC: Mon, 20:38 EDT / LAX: Mon, 17:38 PDT / UTC: Tue, 00:38 UTC
bacek_at_work something like this?
clock? 00:39
aloha bacek_at_work: MAD: Tue, 02:39 CEST / SYD: Tue, 10:39 EST / NYC: Mon, 20:39 EDT / TOK: Tue, 09:39 JST / LAX: Mon, 17:39 PDT / UTC: Tue, 00:39 UTC
bacek_at_work ok. I think it's enough for now.
cotto wfm 00:48
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whiteknight GeJ: I got your CLA and forwarded it on to the directors list. You're good to go if you get nominated 01:16
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ash_ pbc_merge can merge any 2 pbc's right? 01:32
dukeleto ash_: in theory 01:33
ash_ i wonder if i could update rakudo's make to keep all the core files as seperate files instead of making core.pm and converting that to core.pir, then compile each pir to pbc and merge them... 01:34
then rakudo might build better on low memory systems...
plobsing ash_: jnthn and pmichaud have advised me that that would be hard to do as core.pm is highly self-referential 01:35
ash_ hard or impossible? 01:36
plobsing you have a point. they never said "impossible". 01:37
however they seemed to suggest that there were other improvements with better payoff/work ratios.
I'll stop putting words in other peoples mouths now.
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kid51 Talk about a slow day: No commits to trunk in over 24 hours! What's happenin', people? 02:02
plobsing someone said parrot wasn't running on Minix, so I've installed it (vbox) and am now building. it is slooooooow (hardware virt seems to cause kernel segfaults). 02:05
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GeJ clock? 02:31
aloha GeJ: MAD: Tue, 04:31 CEST / SYD: Tue, 12:31 EST / NYC: Mon, 22:31 EDT / TOK: Tue, 11:31 JST / LAX: Mon, 19:31 PDT / UTC: Tue, 02:31 UTC
kid51 must sleep 02:34
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sorear ash_: you can't use pbc_merge to split the Rakudo setting, because the Rakudo setting is a single function 02:54
GeJ msg kid51 I just posted a #ps report in case I can't make it tomorrow. I can't tell yet when I'll be able to come back online. Don't hesitate to /q me if needed. 02:57
stoopid bot.
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bacek_at_work aloha, clock? 03:08
aloha bacek_at_work: bacek_at_work: MAD: Tue, 05:08 CEST / SYD: Tue, 13:08 EST / NYC: Mon, 23:08 EDT / TOK: Tue, 12:08 JST / LAX: Mon, 20:08 PDT / UTC: Tue, 03:08 UTC
bacek_at_work: I give up.
bacek_at_work msg bacek bang
aloha OK. I'll deliver the message.
bacek_at_work GeJ, fixed. I forgot to load Msg module after restart. Sorry.
GeJ bacek_at_work: no problemo. 03:09
msg kid51 I just posted a #ps report in case I can't make it tomorrow. I can't tell yet when I'll be able to come back online. Don't hesitate to /q me if needed.
aloha OK. I'll deliver the message.
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GeJ thanks hun' 03:09
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GeJ bacek_at_work: If I may make a suggestion, I'd sort the clock output from LAX to SYD. 03:37
bacek_at_work GeJ, github.com/bacek/aloha :) 03:41
fork it, patch it, send pull request :)
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bacek_at_work clock? 04:12
aloha bacek_at_work: LAX: Mon, 21:12 PDT / MAD: Tue, 06:12 CEST / NYC: Tue, 00:12 EDT / SYD: Tue, 14:12 EST / TOK: Tue, 13:12 JST / UTC: Tue, 04:12 UTC
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bacek_at_work msg mj41 Looks like taptinder is broken. 04:54
aloha OK. I'll deliver the message.
bacek_at_work seen mj41
aloha Sorry, I haven't seen mj41.
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dalek rrot: r49359 | bacek++ | branches/generational_gc/src/gc/gc_ms2.c:
Actually propagate PMC into older generation.
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mikehh bacek_at_work: hey, some of us are on BST one hour before CEST 06:06
bacek_at_work mikehh, just give me shortname, timezone and I'll add it 06:07
mikehh, LON => Europe/London?
clock? 06:08
mikehh purl says -> LAX: Mon 11:07pm PDT / CHI: Tue 1:07am CDT / NYC: Tue 2:07am EDT / LON: Tue 7:07am BST / BER: Tue 8:07am CEST / IND: Tue 11:37am IST / TOK: Tue 3:07pm JST / SYD: Tue 4:07pm EST /
bacek_at_work clock? 06:09
aloha bacek_at_work: LAX: Mon, 23:09 PDT / LON: Tue, 07:09 BST / MAD: Tue, 08:09 CEST / NYC: Tue, 02:09 EDT / SYD: Tue, 16:09 EST / TOK: Tue, 15:09 JST / UTC: Tue, 06:09 UTC
bacek_at_work mikehh, added.
mikehh prefer 24 hour format over am/pm 06:11
bacek_at_work mikehh, it is. 06:12
look at LAX
or SYD
mikehh bacek_at_work: just commenting on aloha vs purl (have purl open in a query tab 06:13
bacek_at_work mikehh, ah. ok. I prefer 24h format too :)
mikehh purl has CHI/CDT and IND/IST too 06:14
bacek_at_work mikehh, just give me timezone names and I'll add them 06:15
full timezone name
and aloha has UTC :) 06:16
mikehh bacek_at_work: purl says -> mikehh: LAX: Mon 11:16pm PDT / CHI: Tue 1:16am CDT / NYC: Tue 2:16am EDT / LON: Tue 7:16am BST / BER: Tue 8:16am CEST / IND: Tue 11:46am IST / TOK: Tue 3:16pm JST / SYD: Tue 4:16pm EST / 06:17
bacek_at_work mikehh, I know. But I don't think that POSIX::strftime can handle short TZ code. 06:18
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GeJ Guess It's time to create a github account. 07:00
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bacek ~~ 07:45
GeJ bacek: pull request sent ;) 07:47
bacek GeJ, I already sorted timezones :) 07:49
GeJ :) 07:50
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bacek hey, it's not pull request? 07:51
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GeJ clock? 07:52
aloha GeJ: LAX: Tue, 00:52 PDT / LON: Tue, 08:52 BST / MAD: Tue, 09:52 CEST / NYC: Tue, 03:52 EDT / SYD: Tue, 17:52 EST / TOK: Tue, 16:52 JST / UTC: Tue, 07:52 UTC
GeJ Oh, my order is from West to East. so that would be LAX -> NYC -> UTC -> LON -> MAD -> TOK -> SYD 07:53
bacek GeJ, yes. I like your patch. Just send "pull request" :) 07:54
on github 07:55
GeJ github.com/bacek/aloha/pull/1
GeJ isa github n00b.
bacek Done. 07:57
I added you as committer to aloha. You can just clone original repo. 07:59
I'll update Clock module tomorrow. 08:00
GeJ thank you. 08:04
bacek Welcome to the club :) 08:09
GeJ bacek, I think you added the wrong 'geraud'. 08:41
bacek GeJ, ooops.
should be fixed now 08:42
GeJ much better. Thanks. 08:46
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dalek kudo: 0bf6cbe | moritz++ | README:
update README about spectest repo

Closes RT #78084		 09:40
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dalek rrot: r49360 | bacek++ | branches/generational_gc/src/gc/gc_ms2.c:
Move "write barriered" object back to young generation.
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rrot: r49361 | bacek++ | branches/generational_gc/lib/Parrot/Pmc2c (2 files):
Generate more wb vtables.
rrot: r49362 | bacek++ | branches/generational_gc/lib/Parrot/Pmc2c/PMC/default.pm:
Remove special handling of default.find_method. It's not marked as writable, so there is no need to handle it specially
mikehh bacek: fails tests in make corevm/make coretest now, and hangs on t/op/gc-non-recursive.t, make fails to build 10:12
bacek mikehh, I know...
mikehh bacek: :-} - still keeping codetest ok 10:13
dalek rrot: r49363 | mikehh++ | branches/generational_gc/lib/Parrot/Pmc2c/PMC/WB.pm:
fix codetest failure - trailing spaces
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cotto that gc work reminds me of a memory leak I need to fix 10:26
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dalek rrot: r49364 | mikehh++ | failed to fetch changeset:
[html_cleanup] merge with trunk - r49363
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cotto bacek, ping 10:44
bacek cotto, pong 10:45
cotto should your branch update Parrot_destroy_vtable in src/vtables.c?
bacek cotto, hmm. Why? 10:46
ah.
yesh
yes
But it's not my biggest problem so far...
cotto likely not
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whiteknight bacek++ 10:53
GeJ Good morning whiteknight. 10:57
whiteknight hello GeJ 10:58
dalek rrot: r49365 | bacek++ | branches/generational_gc/src/gc/gc_ms2.c:
Awful hack - reuse VTABLE_mark to propagate objects between generations. WIP, broken, etc
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GeJ Good night everyone. 11:30
GeJ &
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dalek kudo: bd836a4 | moritz++ | src/ (2 files):
give TimToday++ his Mu.not
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dalek kudo: 6241883 | moritz++ | src/Perl6/Grammar.pm:
Revert accidental grammar change from bd836a4a

moritz--, and colomon++ for noticing		 15:25
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dalek rrot: r49366 | ash++ | branches/gsoc_nci (410 files):
Merge remote branch 'trunk' into gsoc_nci

  \tsrc/pmc/nci.pmc		 17:24
dukeleto ash++ 17:28
ash_ my nci work from GSoC still works with the trunk, but i need to add a few more tests before it can get added to trunk, i think 17:29
Kovensky wonders what keeps track of the ++ and -- 17:30
dukeleto ash_: yes, more tests, please :)
ash_ it passes all the same tests as trunk
dukeleto Kovensky: bots 17:31
karma ash
ash_ but needs better tests of the new features i added
seen purl
aloha Sorry, I haven't seen purl.
dukeleto aloha, karma ash
dukeleto guesses the bots are on vacation
ash_ lol
dukeleto Kovensky: we have had a bot revolution recently. purl used to keep track of it 17:32
Kovensky lulz
moritz and we have public IRC logs; I wrote a script that can extract that karma too 17:33
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dukeleto Kovensky: so yeah, it is kept track of somewhere, but things are currently being rearranged 17:47
Kovensky: welcome, by the way
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dalek TT #1794 closed by luben++: Linear hash scan assumes non-NULL keys 18:40
TT #1794: trac.parrot.org/parrot/ticket/1794
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dalek rrot: r49367 | nwellnhof++ | branches/string_macros (87 files):
Merge trunk
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rrot: r49368 | nwellnhof++ | branches/string_macros/src/string/api.c:
[str] Optimize str_rep_compatible
rrot: r49369 | nwellnhof++ | branches/string_macros (16 files):
Merge trunk
GeJ Bonjour everyone. 19:52
clock?
aloha GeJ: LAX: Tue, 12:52 PDT / LON: Tue, 20:52 BST / MAD: Tue, 21:52 CEST / NYC: Tue, 15:52 EDT / SYD: Wed, 05:52 EST / TOK: Wed, 04:52 JST / UTC: Tue, 19:52 UTC
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dukeleto #ps starts now-ish 20:32
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dukeleto aloha, msg coke can you give GeJ a commit bit, please? Thanks. 21:04
aloha dukeleto: OK. I'll deliver the message.
dalek rrot: r49370 | nwellnhof++ | trunk/t/op/gc-non-recursive.t:
[t] Fix t/op/gc-non-recursive.t
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Paul_the_Greek 450MB for 6K lines is 75K per line. 21:27
GeJ seen chromatic 21:28
aloha chromatic was last seen in #parrot 3 days 2 hours ago joining the channel.
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dukeleto blog posts about the GC are grealy appreciated 21:31
just describing how it currently works and what problems exist would be awesome
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cotto sounds like a perfect generic task. The best person to document code is someone who doesn't know it. 21:33
GeJ not GC-related, but for some time I was pondering about a series of posts about "Parrot for Dummies" or how to use Parrot as a generic programming language for fun and profit. 21:34
cotto You mean PIR or nqp-rx? 21:35
atrodo All of the above? 21:36
GeJ I skipped the nqp-rx phase. I'll need to get acquainted with it. Originally I was going for PIR. 21:37
but if people think nqp-rx would be better, I can head that way.
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cotto GeJ, nqp-rx is definitely nicer to use 21:47
you still need to drop down to pir, but it's worth learning 21:48
GeJ I'll have a look at it then. 21:50
nwellnhof i think there's a real lack of nqp-rx documentation and tutorials. 21:51
GeJ nwellnhof: just co'd the repository and I must agree. 21:52
nwellnhof is there any nqp-rx documentation at all? 21:53
ok, it's a subset of perl6. but is that enough to know?
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cotto the test suite is pretty good 21:55
nwellnhof yeah, the test suite helped me a lot
GeJ Indeed. 22:01
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dalek rrot: r49371 | bacek++ | branches/generational_gc/src/multidispatch.c:
Add write barriers where we are changing Sub PMC directly.
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rrot: r49372 | bacek++ | branches/generational_gc/lib/Parrot/Pmc2c (3 files):
Generate wb_variant_vtable in more sane way: get current vtable and update it using parent's wb_update_vtable
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bacek_at_work ~~ 23:54
dukeleto GeJ: i just added you to the github parrot organization
bacek_at_work: how goes it?
GeJ G'Day bacek.
bacek_at_work G'Day GeJ
dukeleto, not too bad. I just need a lot of write barriers for gen_gc. Similar to r49371 23:55
dukeleto GeJ: you can do a "git clone git@github.com:parrot/parrot.git" to get a copy of the repo 23:57
bacek_at_work: can you explain to me what the write barriers actually accomplish? why do we need them? 23:58
cotto was wondering the same thing
bacek_at_work if we moved aggregate object into older generation 23:59
and then add fresh, young object into it
GeJ dukeleto: but any commit I'd do won't show in svn, right?
bacek_at_work e.g. RPA(gen2)->PMC(gen1)

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