Parrot 3.6.0 "Pájaros del Caribe" released | parrot.org | Parrot Developer Summit Sat July 30 21:00 UTC in #parrotsketch | Log: irclog.perlgeek.de/parrot/today | #parrotsketch meeting Tuesday 19:30 UTC
Set by moderator on 30 July 2011.
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dalek kudo/nom: 0dc9006 | jonathan++ | src/Perl6/Actions.pm:
Unbust CATCH enough so that it doesn't hang and passes all the catch.t that master did.
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kudo/nom: d8c3c74 | jonathan++ | t/spectest.data:
Another passing test file.
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cotto dafrito++ 01:12
and fperrad++
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dalek kudo/podparser: 7a3a394 | moritz++ | t/spectest.data:
more passing test files, jnthn++
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kudo/podparser: 90f996e | moritz++ | / (2 files):
move most of the build instructions into a separate INSTALL file
kudo/podparser: 0aacf70 | jonathan++ | src/Perl6/SymbolTable.pm:
Refactor BEGIN handling now that we have improved static lexpads. Note, this lets you write stuff that won't yet work out well with pre-compilation - beware. :-)
kudo/podparser: fd68c86 | jonathan++ | INSTALL (2 files):
Rename INSTALL to INSTALLME (better names welcome) since on case-insensitive OS it conflicts with install directory made by --gen-parrot.
kudo/podparser: 5c6ac4f | jonathan++ | src/ (3 files):
Implement auto-threading in the $junc.meth case.
kudo/podparser: 7c8ab31 | jonathan++ | src/core/Cool.pm:
Liberalize sub form of split, leave type handling to methods.
kudo/podparser: 886f677 | jonathan++ | src/core/Str (2 files):
ne should behave just like !eq
kudo/podparser: 87ab44f | jonathan++ | t/spectest.data:
We now pass all of S03-junctions/autothreading.t.
kudo/podparser: 018c561 | jonathan++ | src/Perl6/Actions.pm:
Fix sink prefix.
kudo/podparser: 6f9747c | jonathan++ | t/spectest.data:
Another passing test file.
kudo/podparser: 0dc9006 | jonathan++ | src/Perl6/Actions.pm:
Unbust CATCH enough so that it doesn't hang and passes all the catch.t that master did.
kudo/podparser: d8c3c74 | jonathan++ | t/spectest.data:
Another passing test file.
kudo/podparser: 6c4427b | tadzik++ | / (11 files):
Merge branch 'nom' into podparser
kudo/podparser: e95c843 | tadzik++ | src/ (3 files):
Document subs and attributes. Still segfaults
tadzik eek 02:02
dalek rrot/tt2167/nstore: ee5f697 | jkeenan++ | lib/Parrot/Pmc2c/ (2 files):
Use Storable::nstore instead of Storable::store. Cf.: trac.parrot.org/parrot/ticket/2167.
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dalek kudo/nom: b7a2185 | Coke++ | t/spectest.data:
run more (fudged) spec tests
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dalek rrot/soh-cah-toa/hbdb: eadafe9 | soh_cah_toa++ | / (7 files):
This just about takes care of the segfaulty 'quit' command. EOF now causes segfault again but that's ok for now. Some work on 'step' slipped in here too.
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dalek kudo/nom: 5361b09 | Coke++ | t/spectest.data:
run more (fudged) spectests.
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dalek rrot: af5ace7 | fperrad++ | runtime/parrot/library/ (2 files):
[distutils] refactor gziped manpages
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dalek umage: 33f00c6 | fperrad++ | man/man1/plumage.1:
[man] split authors/contributors
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dalek rrot: e078354 | fperrad++ | runtime/parrot/library/distutils.pir:
[distutils] customize pod2man
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dalek a: a7bd3d6 | fperrad++ | setup.pir:
generate manpages (with pod2man)
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kudo/nom: 8e6925b | moritz++ | t/spectest.data:
run try.t
kudo/podparser: 0c0d929 | tadzik++ | / (4 files):
Generate Pod::Heading objects from =head directives
kudo/podparser: 8797ffa | tadzik++ | / (6 files):
Implement DOC phasers. Fix compilation options. Add a simple Pod::To::Text
cotto github.com/kevingadd/JSIL <- .net bytecode to js translator 08:50
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dalek kudo/nom: e8cd5b0 | jonathan++ | src/Perl6/Actions.pm:
Apply patch from mls++ to finalize caught exceptions, thus unwinding any C stack frames that may be left.
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fperrad msg soh_cah_toa if you don't like write *roff by hand, see github.com/fperrad/lua/commit/a7bd3d6cd7 09:00
aloha OK. I'll deliver the message.
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dalek kudo/nom: ecef486 | jonathan++ | src/ (3 files):
Start to get handling of trusts in place. Treat it trait-ish, because I suspect it'll become one some day.
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kudo/nom: 16c6780 | jonathan++ | / (3 files):
Add a Trusting role and make ClassHOW do it, so now 'trusts' makes an appropriate entry in the list.
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dalek kudo/nom: 3c24f51 | jonathan++ | / (3 files):
Add a PrivateMethodContainer role for storing private methods, and get ClassHOW to do it.
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kudo/nom: d3ca4f7 | jonathan++ | src/Perl6/Actions.pm:
method !foo { ... } now calls add_private_method.
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dalek kudo/nom: 4a5f9b9 | jonathan++ | src/ (2 files):
First cut of private method calls, with trust checking. Also some notes on how this can be optimized in the future.
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whiteknight good morning, #parrot 11:18
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tadzik good mornign whiteknight 11:19
how is the moving? 11:20
whiteknight tadzik: painful 11:40
tadzik ouch
whiteknight has to find out how much he got volunteered for at #parrotsketch 11:54
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Eclesia hi 11:57
whiteknight hello Eclesia 12:06
...okay. It looks like I am going to single-handedly fix IMCC of all it's evils, then work on 6model 12:09
I like that :)
NotFound whiteknight: I'm thinking about writing a tool to help verifying pir and hll file/line info in PBCs, to be able to know quickly what problems lies on pir generating wrong info or in bad handling of it at runtime. 12:13
whiteknight that would be awesome
NotFound Also, I commited to help you with 6model.
So I won't travel with you in a bus ;) 12:14
Felipe morning guys 12:16
whiteknight NotFound++ 12:17
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Eclesia question : how do I shrink a pmc array ? 12:22
whiteknight I don't think you can
Eclesia whiteknight: or perhaps remove a key ? 12:23
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whiteknight msg soh_cah_toa: Can you send me a sample PIR file or files where the line numbering goes badly? I'll try to fix whatever I can, if I have test cases 12:26
aloha OK. I'll deliver the message.
whiteknight Eclesia: Which type of array? ResizablePMCArray? 12:27
Eclesia yes
whiteknight Eclesia: Nope, does not shrink. There is a TODO note in the code, but no shrinking 12:30
Eclesia: Can you create a ticket about it? Shrinking arrays is a good idea, we need to find a good way to support it 12:31
whiteknight has to sign off now. Later
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NotFound There are vtables delete_keyed and delete_keyed_int on RPA 12:34
But they don't have POD :o
dalek kudo/nom: 28e322a | jonathan++ | src/Perl6/Metamodel/ (3 files):
Get private methods in roles composed in (simple case).
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kudo/nom: afb25a0 | jonathan++ | t/spectest.data:
Two more passing test files.
kudo/nom: eab6c06 | jonathan++ | src/Perl6/Actions.pm:
Fix issue where you couldn't mention implicit %_ in a method.
NotFound Eclesia: this works: $ winxed -e 'var ar = [ "a", "b", "c" ]; delete ar[1]; for (var item in ar) print(" ", item); say()' 12:37
prints: a c
Eclesia NotFound: thanks :)
NotFound The fault is the lack of pod doc, the vtable function is present and works. 12:38
Going to fix it... 12:39
dalek kudo/nom: 267b63b | jonathan++ | t/spectest.data:
Another passing text file thanks to getting privates sorted out.
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Eclesia ha, more compact outputs and uses less memory :) 12:47
dalek rrot: b85f935 | NotFound++ | src/pmc/resizablepmcarray.pmc:
add missing pod for vtables delete_keyed and delete_keyed_int
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dalek kudo/nom: 7bfa218 | jonathan++ | src/ (2 files):
Couple more corrections to implicit %_ handling.
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dalek kudo/podparser: 5ed0e09 | tadzik++ | src/Perl6/Grammar.pm:
Bring mysterious COMPILING := 1 back to Grammar.pm
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kudo/podparser: 585cd06 | tadzik++ | / (9 files):
The Pod tree should not contain bare strings. Use Pod::Block::Para, adjust the tests and Pod::To::Text
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dalek kudo/podparser: bdb7627 | tadzik++ | src/ (3 files):
Remove $*COMPILING
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dalek R: 322a3ff | (Jay Emerson)++ | / (3 files):
Fixed up get [] grammar and actions!
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jay ~ 15:11
dalek R: 245f81b | (Jay Emerson)++ | t/00-sanity.t:
Added test for get [] operation
R: 26121a0 | (Jay Emerson)++ | Bugreports.pod:
Added new bug report file
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dalek R: 757fa18 | (Jay Emerson)++ | / (4 files):
Modifying organizational files
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R: c6baa89 | (Jay Emerson)++ | STATUS (2 files):
New STATUS format
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R: fb116ed | (Jay Emerson)++ | VERSION:
VERSION bump
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dalek R: cb65d6c | (Jay Emerson)++ | BUGREPORTS.pod:
Clarified indexing bug
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jay dukeleto: hello from Miami Beach
dukeleto++: thanks for the talk comments, I made minor revisions. 15:57
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dalek R: e371610 | (Jay Emerson)++ | / (4 files):
Implemented dnorm(), qnorm(), and pnorm(), vectorized
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kid51 soh_cah_toa: Did you get my msg yesterday about hbdb?
soh_cah_toa kid51: yeah, just saw it. i'm not sure how i could do that but i think i fixed the problem anyway 16:42
kid51 My thought was that if that merge of master into branch caused problems, simply start a new branch from the last commit before that merge. 16:43
soh_cah_toa though i'm curious, how would i "go back" in the history pre-merge?
ah, i see
kid51 Locate commit number chronologically preceding that merge.
soh_cah_toa right, that would work
kid51 There's probably some instruction under man git-branch that tells you how to fork new branch from that point 16:44
Haven't done it myself, but I suspect other people have.
soh_cah_toa ok
kid51 actually, more likely man git-checkout
This looks promising: git checkout [-q] [-f] [-m] [-b <new_branch>] [<start_point>] 16:45
soh_cah_toa interesting, didn't realize you could branch from a previous commit other than HEAD 16:46
kid51 or perhaps: git branch [--track | --no-track] [-l] [-f] <branchname> [<start-point>]
soh_cah_toa well, it turned out that i was referencing the interpreter after i had freed the memory for it. i don't understand why i could do that pre-merge but whatever 16:47
at least i think that's what it was. anyway, it works ;)
kid51 In any event, the idea would be to sidestep that merge, then apply all the other commits you subsequently tried and see if the overall outcome were any better
dalek kudo/nom: e028411 | jonathan++ | src/ (4 files):
Register Capture type so we can use it in the binder.
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kudo/nom: 3588736 | jonathan++ | src/core/Capture.pm:
Fix a thinko.
kudo/nom: 0bc9883 | jonathan++ | src/ (2 files):
Make |$c work again in signatures; $c becomes a Capture with the current unbound stuff in it.
kid51 You'd probably hit the IMCC wall again at some point, but at least we would be narrowing the list of possible causes of problems
soh_cah_toa yeah
kid51 What I took away from yesterday's PDS is (a) in the current parrot_debugger, line numbers were never accurate; (b) the current one used to be of *some* usefulness, but isn't any longer; (c) the reasons why the current one is even less useful than before are not clear but probably connected to IMCC. 16:50
And (d) things that we did to improve IMCC in past year may have been bad for debugger. 16:51
soh_cah_toa yes 16:52
kid51 and (e) bad for Parrot debugging in general, i.e., made current worse and put up roadblocks for HBDB
NotFound I disagree with the 'never accurate' part. 16:53
kid51 So, at one time, line numbers in current debugger *were* accurate?
If so, then shame on us for allowing that to deteriorate! 16:54
soh_cah_toa i gotta write that gist about it . i hate to say it, but the success of hbdb lies in the hands of imcc
NotFound For example, I'm looking at the pbc_disassemble of setup.winxed compiled to pbc, and the numbers are in synch with the generated pir
kid51 And the reason why those numbers would be accurate is ... ? 16:55
NotFound Not all the file, but the few first subs at least.
Don't know yet.
kid51 k
kid51 admits that because he was always told parrot_debugger was problematic, he ignored it completely until last week 16:56
And this is not too encouraging: 16:57
$ ./parrot_debugger --help
Bus error
(that's on darwin; on linux, the failure is: Segmentation fault)
soh_cah_toa odd...
kid51 soh_cah_toa: I think it would be more accurate to say, "the success of *all* parrot debugging lies in the hands of imcc" 16:58
soh_cah_toa kid51: yes, very true
dalek R: b9c6b93 | (Jay Emerson)++ | / (2 files):
New doco of current functions
NotFound More precisely: only the first sub is accurate. 16:59
kid51 okay, so in "(a)" above s/never accurate/very often inaccurate/ 17:01
NotFound: glad to see winxed.org has come back to life 17:02
dalek R: 673a07a | (Jay Emerson)++ | NQR_Functions.pod:
Revised functionality
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kid51 NotFound: Following this sentence, "Winxed is a programming language targetting parrot.", it might be good to have one sentence starting, "Winxed is useful for the following tasks: ..." 17:05
NotFound Ehhhhh.... writing programs? 17:08
dalek R: d73ceba | (Jay Emerson)++ | / (2 files):
More docs... because docs are important
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kid51 Well, when it came time to mention Winxed in my talk last week at FOSSCON, I couldn't say precisely what its purpose was.
Is it intended to be a new, general-purpose HLL?
NotFound Yes, general purpose. 17:10
kid51 Or does it have some specific role in the Parrot ecosphere?
I simply can't tell from the web page what its purpose is or why one should study it.
NotFound The role is being at lower lavel than other HLLs. more close to the virtual metal. 17:11
kid51 Would it have any existence/rationale outside of Parrot?
Eclesia see winxed as a C-like syntax over pir == a Friendlier pir 17:12
kid51 (I'm not saying it should or should not.)
Eclesia: I thought its syntax was supposed to be more like Javascript 17:13
Eclesia javascript is C-like for me :D
NotFound kid51: its syntax is familiar to most people that knows some javascript, so it may be useful for some people.
Is like javascript with bits of C++, java and C# 17:14
kid51 okay.
What do you mean by "closer to the virtual metal"?
NotFound Not using HLL mapping, not having its own object model, allowing use of the parrot native types. 17:15
Same meaning as when people says that C is closer to the metal than other languages. 17:19
dalek R: a8ba5b6 | (Jay Emerson)++ | / (3 files):
Added dunif, punif, qunif
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R: ae74a10 | (Jay Emerson)++ | / (3 files):
Added df, pf, qf
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Eclesia *too hot* 17:33
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dalek kudo/nom: d74aaa8 | tadzik++ | / (19 files):
Merge branch 'nom' into podparser
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Coke_ I really do miss the diffs in commit emails. Far too easy to just ignore the changes going past. 19:04
dalek kudo/nom: 0f60583 | jonathan++ | src/Perl6/ (2 files):
Avoid interpolation bug with private methods, introduced earlier today.
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dalek kudo/nom: da964eb | tadzik++ | src/Perl6/Actions.pm:
Workaround a backtracking issue, don't add the same block to $=POD twice
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dalek kudo/nom: eef0851 | tadzik++ | src/Perl6/ (2 files):
Optimize the already-added block lookup
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dalek kudo/nom: 0934d74 | jonathan++ | src/core/ (2 files):
Add back some methods for coercing to a Capture.
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kudo/nom: ac3cb1e | jonathan++ | src/Perl6/SymbolTable.pm:
Stash sub-signature in Parameter object.
kudo/nom: 6a9ab9c | jonathan++ | src/binder/bind.c:
Get nested signature handling in the binder basically working again.
kudo/nom: b5a8621 | jonathan++ | src/binder/bind.c:
Eliminate an unused variable to avoid a warning.
nxed: 3ab65e1 | NotFound++ | examples/Mysql.winxed:
fix and improve a bit encoding handling in Mysql example
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dalek website: NotFound++ | We need a better way to get strings from NCI 20:42
website: www.parrot.org/content/we-need-bett...trings-nci
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whiteknight good evening, #parrot 23:44
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