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Parrot 4.6.0 "Wild Parrots of Telegraph Hill" | parrot.org/ | Log: irclog.perlgeek.de/parrot | #parrotsketch meeting Tuesday 19:30 UTC Set by moderator on 18 July 2012. |
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| whiteknight | good evening, #parrot | 00:25 | |
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| whiteknight | I think I've got my linux/i386 vm up and running now | 00:48 | |
| so that's one platform off my list | |||
| the fact that my mouse doesn't work makes using it unnecessarily difficult | 00:49 | ||
| benabik | Mice are for the week! | 00:50 | |
| *Weak | 00:51 | ||
| whiteknight | it's not a matter of the mouse just not working. It doesn't take my input, but it will freak out when my palms rub against it, jump the mouse around, click things, and activate gestures that I don't know how to turn off | 00:52 | |
| and sometimes it does this when I swear my palm has not rubbed it in any way | 00:53 | ||
| benabik | In the VM or just anytime? | ||
| whiteknight | the whole laptop. At all times | ||
| benabik | That's less than ideal. | 00:54 | |
| whiteknight | just barely, slightly, less than ideal | ||
| If I go through all this hassle, and I don't see a test failure, I'm going to be annoyed mightily | 00:57 | ||
| heh, I do see it! | 00:58 | ||
| yay for test failures! | |||
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| dalek | rrot/whiteknight/io_cleanup1: dd4ce1b | Whiteknight++ | / (3 files): Add in a new Parrot_io_buffer_size legacy routine to provide a fake, backwards-compatible behavior for the FileHandle.buffer_size method, which is worthless in the new system but which does appear in some ill-conceived tests. |
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| whiteknight | msg kid51 the linux/i386 failures on whiteknight/io_cleanup1 should be fixed now. Uninitialized variable. In fact, I think that test should have been failing on more systems too | 01:23 | |
| aloha | OK. I'll deliver the message. | ||
| kid51 | Hmm. Just now I was building on that platform and on that branch but with all g++. 'make' failed. | 01:24 | |
| I will paste that build failure, then I will re-test with all gcc. | 01:25 | ||
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| nopaste | "kid51" at 70.85.31.226 pasted "io_cleanup1 branch on linux/i386: build failure with all g++" (608 lines) at nopaste.snit.ch/153650 | 01:27 | |
| kid51 | That may not be the most recent commit, however. | ||
| whiteknight | I'm testing g++ on linux/x86_64 and linux/x86 right now | 01:28 | |
| kid51: I've been trolling through craigslist looking for reasonably priced, working macs with PPC | 01:29 | ||
| they are hard to find like unicorn | |||
| kid51 | linux/i386: io_cleanup1 branch: all-gcc build: t/pmc/filehandle.t test #14 now passes, but test #28 still fails | 01:31 | |
| whiteknight | ah, I think I found the g++ build failure | ||
| it's related to my last round of readline fixes | 01:32 | ||
| nopaste | "kid51" at 70.85.31.226 pasted "io_cleanup1 branch on linux, all gcc build: down to 1 failing test in t/pmc/filehandle.t" (57 lines) at nopaste.snit.ch/153651 | ||
| kid51 whiles away his evenings refactoring 17-year-old non-encapsulated code in the Perl 5 core distribution. | 01:33 | ||
| whiteknight | sounds like fun | 01:36 | |
| kid51 | whiteknight: read your last post to list; glad you identified the shortage of core developers as part of the problem. | 01:38 | |
| That saved *me* from having to post about that. | |||
| benabik | sounds like | ||
| dalek | rrot/whiteknight/io_cleanup1: 1705fc4 | Whiteknight++ | src/pmc/socket.pmc: fix a readline-related build failure on g++. kid51++ for the catch |
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| benabik | sounds like "fun" (FIFY) | ||
| whiteknight | kid51: Lots of different devs have lots of individual reasons why they can't or won't hack on parrot anymore | 01:39 | |
| but it's all come to a bit of a head recently | |||
| kid51 | Now testing 1705fc4 all g++ on linux | ||
| Okay, the branch built on all g++ | 01:41 | ||
| whiteknight | nice | ||
| kid51++ | |||
| kid51 | And in all g++, prove t/pmc/filehandle.t PASS | ||
| 'make test' PASS. smolder.parrot.org/app/projects/rep...ails/30374 Let me try an optimize as well. | 01:42 | ||
| whiteknight | I'll have to see that result tomorrow morning. It's coming up on my bedtime now | ||
| benabik | I used to think my parents were crazy for going to be so early. Now I say "why did I stay up until 11?" | 01:43 | |
| kid51 | 'cause you only had work and school; you didn't have: work and school and baby | 01:44 | |
| whiteknight | I try to get into work very early, so I can leave early and have more afternoon at home. That means I have to get to bed early so I can wake up early... | ||
| anyway, Whiteknight Out! | |||
| kid51 | whiteknight/io_cleanup1 branch: linux/i386: all-g++ build with optimize: PASS: smolder.parrot.org/app/projects/rep...ails/30375 | 01:46 | |
| Damn, still getting a test failure with all-gcc build. | 01:48 | ||
| nopaste | "kid51" at 70.85.31.226 pasted "io_cleanup1 branch: linux/i386: all-gcc build: still that same failure in t/pmc/filehandle.t" (12 lines) at nopaste.snit.ch/153661 | 01:50 | |
| kid51 | whiteknight/io_cleanup1 branch: linux/i386: all-gcc build with optimize: FAIL: smolder.parrot.org/app/projects/rep...ils/30376; nopaste.snit.ch/153661 | 01:51 | |
| t/pmc/filehandle.t linux/i386 fails test 28 on io_cleanup1 branch with all-gcc build no-optimize/optimize | |||
| nopaste | "kid51" at 71.255.49.227 pasted "io_cleanup1 branch: darwin/ppc (gcc/g++g++): fails 1 test with write error" (12 lines) at nopaste.snit.ch/153671 | 02:04 | |
| kid51 | So the io_cleanup1 branch, when built with gcc, is failing t/pmc/filehandle.t test #28 on both linux/i386 and darwin/ppc, and with a spectacular error in the darwin/ppc case | 02:05 | |
| While earlier today, that file PASSed entirely on that branch on darwin/*i386*! | |||
| enough parrot for tonight | 02:06 | ||
| On Darwin/PPC, I can induce that "Write error: No space left on device" error simply with: ./parrot t/pmc/filehandle_28.pir | 02:12 | ||
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| dalek | kudo/nom: 1f662c9 | (Felix Herrmann)++ | src/core/Temporal.pm: change constructor of Date to use default values for year/month/day Signed-off-by: Moritz Lenz <moritz@faui2k3.org> |
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| p: 553ee86 | (Arne Skjærholt)++ | src/ (2 files): Expose nativecall write-barriering through an nqp::op. |
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| Coke doesn't think whiteknight should be trolling craiglist to buy hardware to support a platform that can never be better than 5 years obsolete. | 13:26 | ||
| there's not point in running parrot great on something that few people are going to run parrot on. | |||
| JimmyZ agrees | 13:28 | ||
| Coke | that said, I also agree with the fact that sounds like threads isn't ready to merge and needs more eyes. | 13:29 | |
| moritz | I don't think mac powerpc support is very important. {Net,Free}BSD is | ||
| Coke | but that isn't a reason to keep darwin/PPC support. Great it if works, but not something we should be spending tuits on. | ||
| JimmyZ | well, I am +1 mark the failing nci tests to todo | 13:30 | |
| Coke | moritz: those are more important than powerpc, sure. | ||
| JimmyZ | rakudo doesn't use parrot's nci | ||
| JimmyZ wonders who uses parrot's nci system on *BSD | 13:32 | ||
| Coke | "why do we even have that lever?" | 13:47 | |
| JimmyZ doesn't know where that lever was from | 13:48 | ||
| Coke | a thing that would be helpful: a list of all the mismatches between rakudo and parrot and a plan to unify them. | ||
| and/or document a valid reason why the mismatch should exist. | 13:49 | ||
| Coke supposes he should try again to kill PASM. | 13:51 | ||
| Coke wonders what happened to chromatic's recent appearance, branch, and disappearance. | 13:52 | ||
| JimmyZ hopes kill pir and use m1 eventually too | |||
| Coke wonders what happened to m0. | |||
| Coke wonders if we need our too infrequent "what the hell are we doing, anyway" meeting. | 13:53 | ||
| JimmyZ is looking forward to not_gerd's m0 | 13:54 | ||
| moritz | I'm pretty sure Parrot could benefit from a developer's summit | ||
| as does Rakudo | |||
| atrodo | Weren't those suppose to happen quarterly? Or have I just missed them? | 13:55 | |
| Coke | I think "slightly more regularly than we elect new officers", but that's not happening either. | ||
| seen allison? | 13:58 | ||
| aloha | allison was last seen in #parrot 16 days 18 hours ago saying "Coke: I'm really not sure what the problem is on ia64". | ||
| moritz | is allison mentoring a gsoc student right now? | 14:08 | |
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| rurban | msg whiteknight: I've purchased yesterday a mac powerbook 4 ppc32 with macos 10.5 for $75 from a fellow perl hacker for parrot smokes. | 14:21 | |
| aloha | OK. I'll deliver the message. | ||
| rurban | The first mips32 smoke is there also: smolder.parrot.org/app/projects/rep...ils/30372, sparc32 and ppc32 soon to follow | 14:22 | |
| Coke: p5p is having a summit before YAPC::Europe in a german town called Perl | 14:23 | ||
| I've only found a Parrot, KY, USA near towns called London, Manchester and Thousandsticks | 14:25 | ||
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| brrt | ping whiteknight | 15:03 | |
| t | 15:04 | ||
| tell whiteknight i might be able to arrange *bsd / solaris virtual machines | 15:05 | ||
| it won't be free of charge but i've found somebody capable at least | 15:06 | ||
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| Coke | That reminds me, I wonder what the PaFo finances are like at the moment. | 15:24 | |
| brrt | yeah i wonder about that a bit, too | 15:27 | |
| a coworker from $job can provide vms (he has his own hosting company) | 15:28 | ||
| just not free as in beer | |||
| Coke | I'm asking around as well. I'm thinking we don't really have a budget here. | 15:38 | |
| I have a super crappy *bsd box running at home that I used to be able to build parrot on. I'll see if I can resurrect it. | 15:39 | ||
| think it might /barely/ be a pentium. | 15:40 | ||
| rurban | brrt: I have a lot of virtual solaris and bsd machines as debian qemu/kvm images around | 15:42 | |
| just no sparc64 yet. A coworker promised a UltraSparc though. sun4u with sol10 | 15:43 | ||
| Coke | rurban++ #testbot | 15:44 | |
| rurban | I'll remove my private stuff from it and put them in my webserver for others also | ||
| mips32 and sparc32 are already privatized and almost ready to publish | 15:45 | ||
| pmichaud | the few times I tried to install *bsd, I didn't have much luck. I'm just too unfamiliar with the toolsets, I suspect. | ||
| rurban | pkg sucks a bit | ||
| pmichaud | That said, there are several *bsd enthusiasts here in the Dallas area that have dedicated co-location boxes, and some solaris guys too; perhaps I could put out a call to the local unix group and see if any of them could help. | 15:46 | |
| I should wait a day or so to do that, though; many of them are off at the Texas Linux Fest this weekend. | 15:47 | ||
| rurban | solaris on intel is really to setup though in a vm. there's even a free sol24-sparc32 on the web somewhere, but this has no compiler. | ||
| really trivial | |||
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| benabik | ~~ | 15:58 | |
| rurban | pmichaud: I"m also going to San Antonio tommorrow! | 16:00 | |
| kid51: on my mac g4 libpcre fails to load with the nci test. I'm using macports | 16:07 | ||
| rurban off to San Antonio, bye | 16:41 | ||
| Coke | ~~ | 17:09 | |
| (belatedly, apparently!) | |||
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| allison | Coke: I'm around | 18:59 | |
| moritz: no, I'm not mentoring this year | |||
| atrodo: If you mean face-to-face developer summits, then they're funding dependent (and we don't really have any) | 19:00 | ||
| atrodo: The virtual summits are supposed to happen just after each supported release. | |||
| atrodo: But, I have the sense that hasn't been maintained. | |||
| atrodo | allison: those were what I meant | 19:01 | |
| moritz things non-virtual summits are needed at the moment | |||
| *thinks | |||
| allison | atrodo: all that's needed for those is one developer to say "hey, let's have one, how is this time for everyone" | ||
| moritz: they are helpful, but can be expensive | 19:02 | ||
| moritz | I know | ||
| allison | moritz: best if they're attached to an event where many people are already going | ||
| Coke suggests trying to have one at yapc::eu. | 19:14 | ||
| moritz | how many parrot devs are going there? | 19:17 | |
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| Coke | moritz: how many parrot devs are there? | 20:27 | |
| moritz | Coke: I have no idea :-) | 20:28 | |
| sorear | I suspect that generally, Parrot devs are more likely to be found at YAPC::NA | 20:36 | |
| Coke | historically that's true. | 20:37 | |
| Coke tries to get sorear to hack on parrot. | |||
| atrodo | This year at YAPC::NA, there was not a lot of parrot people | 20:38 | |
| Coke | I blame my $dayjob for teasing me into thinking it'd be covered for too long. | 20:39 | |
| sorear | Coke: won't help, I'm a USian | 20:49 | |
| Coke | sorear: sorry, I don't understand the sequitor. | 20:54 | |
| sorear | Coke: me being a parrot dev would not fix "I suspect that ... at YAPC::NA" | 20:55 | |
| since I, too, will tend ot find NA easier than EU | 20:56 | ||
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| Coke | no, I just want you to hack on parrot so we have more parrot hackers. | 21:01 | |
| Conference and meeting attendance purely optional. | |||
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