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Parrot 0.6.0 "P&P" released | Please mentor for SoC | parrotcode.org/ | YAPC::NA talks deadline is Mar 31 | tinyurl.com/2pmnlq Set by moderator on 18 March 2008. |
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| cotto_home | is there any reason that email addresses in CREDITS aren't obfuscated? | 01:28 | |
| Limbic_Region | my email address doesn't appear in CREDITS at all, but if it did, I wouldn't care that it wasn't obfuscated | 01:29 | |
| Infinoid | mine is, and I don't care :) | 01:30 | |
| Limbic_Region wouldn't mind having his a.k.a. added though | |||
| Infinoid | surprising how few a.k.a.s are in there | 01:31 | |
| Limbic_Region | I am not as emphatic as chromatic about concealing my identity but very few people recognize my real name | 01:32 | |
| cotto_home | seen kj | 01:33 | |
| purl | kj was last seen on #parrot 1 day and 9 hours ago, saying: and run make test [Mar 18 09:10:24 2008] | ||
| Infinoid | sorry Limbic_Region, I don't know what your real name is :) | ||
| Limbic_Region | Infinoid - www.perl.com/pub/au/Gatcomb_Joshua | 01:34 | |
| Infinoid | cool. Mark Glines here | 01:35 | |
| Limbic_Region | what's really funny is when you meet someone in real life and you chat about people from "online" but you only know them by their handles, and you aren't quite sure how they should be pronounced because you only ever see them on the screen | 01:38 | |
| Infinoid | in-fuh-noh-eed | 01:39 | |
| that's good enough for me :) | |||
| Limbic_Region | what about exussum0 ? | 01:40 | |
| Infinoid | woah. | 01:41 | |
| Limbic_Region | Until the user explained what it was, I was reading it as ex (as in former) U.S. sumo (as in wrestler) | 01:42 | |
| Infinoid | heh | ||
| I would have guessed it's italian, or something | |||
| Limbic_Region | latin | 01:43 | |
| Infinoid | oh, awesome. Attribute::Handlers doesn't seem to work right on perl 5.10.0 | ||
| szbalint | at least I have a handle that is easier to pronounce than my name | 01:54 | |
| even for native hungarians :) | |||
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| cotto_home | it looks like whoever removed runindent.pl forgot to update lib/Parrot/Docs/Section/Tools.pm | 03:56 | |
| should be an easy fix for anyone not in committer purgatory | 03:58 | ||
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| svnbotl | r26501 | infinoid++ | trunk: | 04:23 | |
| : Update lib/Parrot/Docs/Section/Tools.pm for the deletion of run_indent.pl. | |||
| : Thanks to Christoph Otto for mentioning it! cotto_home++ | |||
| diff: parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision/?rev=26501 | |||
| cotto_home | That was quick. Thanks! | 04:25 | |
| Infinoid | we cage cleaners love it when you tell us "you missed a spot" :) | 04:26 | |
| cotto_home | the cage shows it | 04:31 | |
| hmmm. apparently I'm supposed to initialize variables before I use them. | 04:34 | ||
| Infinoid | heh, that helps | ||
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| svnbotl | r26502 | chromatic++ | trunk: | 05:38 | |
| : [docs] Added LWN to list of places to announce new Parrot releases. | |||
| : Minor formatting improvements. | |||
| diff: parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision/?rev=26502 | |||
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| svnbotl | r26503 | fperrad++ | trunk: | 11:12 | |
| : [install] | |||
| : - dotnet test becomes a TODO | |||
| diff: parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision/?rev=26503 | |||
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| Coke | LWN? | 13:20 | |
| purl | i guess LWN is Linux Weekly News or at www.lwn.net | ||
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| kj | For people interested in PCT: part 5 of the PCT tutorial is published. | 13:59 | |
| Infinoid | ooh! | 14:10 | |
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| Coke reminds infinoid that _home on a nick is like a blurb telling us where someone is or what they're doing. =-) | 15:01 | ||
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| Infinoid | Coke: and that's a problem because...? :) | 15:03 | |
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| Infinoid | kj: I've begun reading through your PCT tuturials, neat | 15:12 | |
| kj | nice :-) thanks! | ||
| Infinoid | in episode 2 (www.parrotblog.org/2008/03/episode-...uts.html), the shown parse tree looks a bit redundant, because the <statement> and <value> words got eaten by the html renderer | ||
| shorten | Infinoid's url is at xrl.us/bhy43 | ||
| Infinoid | and <integer> | 15:13 | |
| kj | ah i hadn't noticed. | ||
| Infinoid | without those, I was wondering why the parse tree had two copies of everything :) | ||
| kj | yes, putting in stuff with < and > really sucks in this blog editor | ||
| I'll have a look | 15:14 | ||
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| Coke fails a ton of lua tests... | 15:41 | ||
| # parrot(3022) malloc: *** Deallocation of a pointer not malloced: 0x7439c4; This could be a double free(), or free() called with the middle of an allocated bl | |||
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| kj | Infinoid: it should be fixed now (episode 2) | 15:45 | |
| cotto_work | valgrind ftw | ||
| kj, do you have all the lessons written, or have you been posting them as you write them? | 15:47 | ||
| kj | I'm not finished yet | ||
| otherwise they'd be a bit better ;-) | |||
| i'm too impatient for working in a structured way and do *planning* :-P | |||
| Infinoid | its great stuff so far! | 15:49 | |
| kj | that's good to hear! :-) | ||
| cotto_work | yes. It's a huge help to have that kind of step-by-step documentation. | 15:51 | |
| kj | If you find you're missing pieces in your mental puzzle, please drop me a message or mail, so I can fill the gap | 15:52 | |
| it all makes sense to me, kinda, so I don't see what's missing | |||
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| cotto_work | I'll certainly make a note of anything odd I run into when I have time to go through it. | 15:56 | |
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| tewk | seen particle | 17:01 | |
| purl | particle was last seen on #parrot 1 day and 18 hours ago, saying: Coke: got a few to update parrotcode.org? [Mar 18 16:31:11 2008] | ||
| Coke | I did that! | 17:03 | |
| =-) | |||
| Coke woots, as his membership in the TPF Grants Committee is now officially official. | 17:04 | ||
| ambs_ | Coke: :) | ||
| Coke | no thanks to ambs_! =-) | ||
| tewk | I'm not taking any classes this summer and am planning on applying to do some GSoC work for parrot. | 17:05 | |
| I've been interested in llvm so I was thinking of doing something with that or with c99. | |||
| But I'd be open to other core hacking ideas that need to get done this summer. Particle doesn't seem to be around right now. | 17:06 | ||
| ambs | Coke: now doing the same with Perrin. | 17:11 | |
| Coke | I could of course use a pair of hands on tcl. | ||
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| Coke sends out a CFP for SOC on P2 | 17:22 | ||
| lua failures I'm seeing are here: | 17:23 | ||
| smoke.parrotcode.org/smoke/parrot-s...677ba.html | |||
| shorten | Coke's url is at xrl.us/bhzbd | ||
| svnbotl | r26504 | bernhard++ | trunk: | 17:28 | |
| : [docs] | |||
| : Suggest to update the Parrot Wikipedia entry, | |||
| : after making a new release. | |||
| diff: parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision/?rev=26504 | |||
| Coke | who owns PIR? | ||
| ah, kj. | 17:29 | ||
| kj: PIR is horribly broken. you aware? =-) | |||
| kj | languages/PIR? | 17:30 | |
| purl | i heard languages/PIR was parse-only | ||
| kj | I think it's horribly incomplete. | 17:31 | |
| Coke | well, completeness aside, the test suite is borked. | 17:32 | |
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| kj | yes, it's probably got to do with the swtich to PCT | 17:32 | |
| Coke | looks like there was a rename from pir.pbc to pirc.pbc that wasn't tracked. | ||
| same url I threw for lua - PIR fails 100% of tests atm. | 17:33 | ||
| kj | I think I should make the test files pure PIR, not wit the language_output_like() calls | 17:35 | |
| Coke | just wanted to let you know of the status. =-) | ||
| kj | k, thnx | ||
| Coke | I tried a few simple updates, but to no avail, so I punted. | 17:36 | |
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| Coke | ZCode is also broken. can't seem to find the "instantiate" method on the Zmachine object. | 17:42 | |
| purl | okay, Coke. | ||
| Coke | (probably because it's trying to use class methods instance of instance methods) | 17:44 | |
| (class methods no longer work right.) | |||
| ambs | Coke: now you should vote too :-P | 17:48 | |
| Coke checks his gmail. | 17:53 | ||
| Coke finds out he might actually be able to attend yapc::europe. | |||
| svnbotl | r26505 | bernhard++ | trunk: | ||
| : [ports] | |||
| : ABI_CHANGES is gone | |||
| diff: parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision/?rev=26505 | |||
| ambs | Coke: that would be nice. I would love to meet you | 17:54 | |
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| Coke | ambs: ditto. | 18:02 | |
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| Coke | perrin? | 18:22 | |
| purl | i heard perrin was a pretty decent chap. | ||
| Coke | seen perrin? | 18:23 | |
| purl | I haven't seen 'perrin', Coke | ||
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| svnbotl | r26506 | coke++ | trunk: | 19:25 | |
| : [docs] | |||
| : Convert DONORS to pod to make it easier to display nicely on the website | |||
| diff: parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision/?rev=26506 | |||
| Coke | Anyone object to linking to the donors on the navbar on parrotcode? | 19:26 | |
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| Coke | also, any suggestions on re-ordering the nav? | 19:27 | |
| too slow! | 19:28 | ||
| rdice? | 19:31 | ||
| purl | rdice is the YAPC man. or a wearer of falsies or 300 sweaty perl hackers | ||
| cotto_work | jk, do you specify the licensing of the code in your tutorials? | 19:34 | |
| s/jk/kj/ | 19:35 | ||
| kj | cotto_work: haven't done so | 19:46 | |
| is that necessary? | |||
| Coke wonders why svn.perl.org is not resolvable from work. | 19:47 | ||
| Coke figures a workaround. | 19:50 | ||
| cotto_work | it's a general good idea | 19:53 | |
| kj | cotto_work: any suggestions where I should do that? | 19:54 | |
| that is, where I should put that notice | 19:55 | ||
| cotto_work | I'd just put a quick blurb at the top or bottom of each lesson | 19:56 | |
| kj | ok. good point, thanks | ||
| cotto_work | something like "all code in this lesson is released into the public domain" | ||
| (or whatever) | |||
| Coke thinks MJD has a tag like that in his UoD blog. | |||
| kj | mm. I don't really know what I should put thre. | 19:57 | |
| cotto_work | I wouldn't think about it too hard for an application like this. Artistic 2.0 would match Parrot and public domain would be trivially easy to understand. | 19:59 | |
| Coke | cygwin fails for me like it always has on this new box, btw. | ||
| I think if you really don't care 'public domain' is most understandable. Then either Art2.0 or CC. | |||
| kj | public domain it is then ;-) | ||
| Coke | seen chromatic? | 20:01 | |
| purl | chromatic was last seen on #parrot 1 day and 13 hours ago, saying: Or maybe just code.google.com/soc/2008/mentor_step1.html [Mar 19 00:14:04 2008] | ||
| kj | I'll fix it tomorrow. Gotta go now. Good night | ||
| cotto_work | night | ||
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| cotto_work | crud. I just noticed a bit of brokenness in lesson #3 | 20:02 | |
| msg kj under the heading "Squaak Grammar" in lesson 3, an instance of the word 'statement' gets truncated | 20:03 | ||
| purl | Message for kj stored. | ||
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| cotto_work | msg purl I wonder if purl can msg itself | 20:04 | |
| purl | Message for purl stored. | ||
| davidfetter | the eye cannot see itself | 20:06 | |
| the sword cannot cut itself | |||
| the purl can, however, /msg itself ;) | |||
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| jjuran | seen purl? | 20:35 | |
| purl | purl was last seen on #imager 2 days and 20 hours ago, saying: fountain is pretty cool. [Mar 17 17:35:31 2008] | ||
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| wknight8111 | Which SOC projects are going to be the most useful for parrot? The Garbage collector one looks important, but the PCT optimizers would have a big effect on performance | 22:37 | |
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| Eevee | erm | 23:31 | |
| www.parrotcode.org/faq/ says parrot has an arbitrary number of registers | |||
| docs/art/pp002-pmc.pod says the VM has 32 of each type but that PIR supports an arbitrary number | |||
| latter more correct? | 23:32 | ||