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Coke yes, but since there's no nick registry here... 00:24
Coke wonders again why we're not using jabber. ah well. 00:25
davidfetter which jabber server? 00:27
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Coke presumably, a perl.org one which may or may not exist atm. 00:42
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Andy a perl.org wht? 01:03
Coke 20:25 * Coke wonders again why we're not using jabber. ah well. 01:27
20:27 <@davidfetter> which jabber server?
20:40 -!- mode/#parrot [+o Andy] by slavorg
20:42 <@Coke> presumably, a perl.org one which may or may not exist atm.
Andy ah
Why Jabber over IRC?
Coke I find IRC is a more disposable medium. 01:29
I will talk to people where they are though. most folks on this and perl seem comfy with IRC, so here I am. 01:30
(wasn't a serious "let's switch comment.") 01:31
Coke misplaces that quote slightly.
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svnbotl r26525 | petdance++ | trunk: 05:57
: More ajr doc updates
diff: parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision/?rev=26525
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Tene has been avoiding parrot hacking in an attempt to help heal wrists and arms. 06:22
peter Tene: do you have a curved keyboard? 06:29
www.microsoft.com/hardware/mouseand...px?pid=043 06:30
shorten peter's url is at xrl.us/bh6eu
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peter www.activerelease.com/ 06:31
those are the two things that helped me a lot
Tene Not yet.
peter ART massages might fix you in a session or so 06:32
There is a great guy in my city
crushes muscle fibers with serious commitment
I can't use a flat keyboard. I have pain in minutes. I can use a curved keyboard for hours and hours 06:33
Tene Nice.
peter good luck
Tene sleep now.
Thanks. :)
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kj the PCT tutorial is done! See parrotblog.org. 10:46
diakopter speaking of p*blog.org, would anyone have a use for perlblog.org 12:13
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Coke tries to test something with the gcdebug runcore, and forgot how long this takes. 13:51
Coke apologize for taking over feather. =-) 13:57
"s" 13:58
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Juerd Coke: Nobody complained :) 14:17
Coke Juerd: bah. turns out that the thing still does segfault. :| 14:22
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svnbotl r26526 | jkeenan++ | trunk: 15:01
: Fix trailing whitespace to meet coding standard.
diff: parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision/?rev=26526
pmichaud pmichaud; ping 15:06
kid51 pmichaud pong
pmichaud I'm baaaack! :-)
Coke pmichaud: congratulations on the nuptials! 15:08
particl1 yay
pmichaud coke: thanks. pictures to come soon
particl1 wb pm
Tene pmichaud++ 15:15
particl1 has finally gotten internet service on his phone, so can now be online outside of wifi areas (like now) 15:24
pmichaud I did the same last week 15:25
Coke has that on his iphone. *drool*
particl1 i'm now browsing the net on the phone as well as on the laptop simultaneously
Coke of course, I can only use it *on* the phone which makes it hard to hack on parrot.
pmichaud it came in handy for us when we were in the middle of Springdale UT and needed to look up alternate lodging arrangements 15:26
particl1 indeed. i know i'll be using it in nyc this week. 15:27
pmichaud are you using your phone as both a browser and a modem? or just browsing from the phone?
particl1 browser and modem at once
pmichaud excellent
actually, the even-better-use was when I needed to check in on thursday for our southwest flights on friday 15:28
avoided getting into the dreaded "C loser" group.
particl1 ah, good point!
pmichaud managed that one from I-70 :-) 15:29
particl1 i was on i-70 on friday, breckenridge->denver
pmichaud I was west of you, then :-)
(oh, on _friday_ we were long gone from I-70 I guess ) 15:30
how was the powder?
particl1 awesome. 10,000ft++
pmichaud I think next winter we need to have a downhill perl workshop
particl1 count me in
pmichaud "Yes, Paula, it's true... we really are having a Perl workshop in Breckenridge..." :-) 15:31
particl1 the hardest part for me was the tow rope to the top of peak 7
riding a snowboard alone on a tow rope up a steep hill is *no joy*
pmichaud I gave up tow ropes early :-) 15:32
particl1 it was so hard to resist, the powder! the speed! the views!
pmichaud *snicker* 15:33
kid51 particl1: How do you manage to be in NYC the one week I'm *not* there?
particl1 ha! i was just thinking about that
pmichaud kid51: careful planning, perhaps?
particl1 kid51: where are you?
car 54, where are you?
kid51 I am in Rochester, on my way to Toronto. Won't be back in NYC until late Sunday. 15:34
particl1 alas, i leave nyc early sunday morning :(
rochester isn't too far from coke
say hi to rdice if you see him in toronto 15:35
rdice kid51 and I are likely to run into each other. :-)
Tene Any parroters near SF?
kid51 Coke is actually closer to NYC than to Rochester.
particl1 hrmm. i suppose that's true
tene: when will you be in sf?
Tene particl1: Starting last night. 15:36
particl1 ah. i won't be there until may
kid51 If I could recruit some more parroters in NYC, we'd make it a weekend outing to go up to Coke's house and annoy him!
Infinoid Tene: I'm 3 hours away from SF (lake tahoe) 15:37
Coke being close to rochester is like pmichaud being close to houston.
particl1 i'm close to portland... 180mi
i've driven there for a perl meeting before 15:38
same distance from vancouver, and i've driven there for dinner
Coke is 237m from rochester.
particl1 i guess i forgot just how close rochester is to buffalo 15:39
~45minutes?
Coke 75m 15:40
particl1 ah.
Coke new york is wider than most NE states. =-)
particl1 for sure.
pmichaud Texas is wider than 48 other states :-) 15:41
particl1 so is your mother-in-law :P
Coke HIO!
pmichaud I know better than to make any comments about my mother-in-law. She doesn't like me very much. 15:42
particl1 that's cause you're no good. and that's why we like you.
rdice Hello, pmichaud! 15:49
cognominal when I was working in the silicon valley, I has skied near tahoe. Don't remember the name of the place
rdice (it's so cute to hear people make reference to Texas being big :-) ) 15:50
cognominal squaw valley!
purl well, squaw valley is by lake tahoe.
pmichaud purl really does know everything.
purl pmichaud: excuse me?
Coke reminds rdice that texas used to belong to our neighbors, so watch out! 15:52
cognominal purl, status
purl Since Fri Mar 21 21:28:03 2008, there have been 267 modifications and 186 questions. I have been awake for 2 days, 11 hours, 24 minutes, 10 seconds this session, and currently reference 691813 factoids. Addressing is in optional mode.
pmichaud actually, texas was a republic :-)
cognominal a mexican republic? 15:53
pmichaud no, a republic in its own right. It was a sovereign nation for about eight years
Coke pmichaud: don't cloud my fearmongering with facts.
pmichaud en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Texas
Coke there's a reason quebec hasn't seceded! =-) 15:54
rdice Coke, we're probably pretty safe. Republicans would never admit Ontario into the US -- we'd get about 27 electoral college votes and they'd all go hard Democrat. (like a popular vote of 80/20 at least)
pmichaud is there a province that would go hard republican? 15:55
rdice The closest would be Alberta, and the surveys there
were 60/40 to the Democrats.
Which (according to the Votemaster) would make it a "strong democrat" "state".
pmichaud yes, I think you're safe. At least until the current U.S. administration decides it needs to promote democracy in Canada. :-) 15:56
cognominal is that true that people in Texas drive like crazy people?
rdice (Votemaster = www.electoral-vote.com/ , and also the author of Minix :-) )
pmichaud cognominal: I don't notice crazy driving in texas. worst drivers I've ever found are in Louisiana.
or, perhaps I should phrase that differently 15:57
I _used_ to think the drivers in (south) texas were awful, but then I moved to Louisiana.
Coke tries to figure out why we have Pmc2c::Method and Pmc2c::PCCMETHOD
s/why we have/if we need/
particl1 registered www.entropyneutral.org yesterday 15:59
svnbotl r26527 | jkeenan++ | trunk:
: Applying patch submitted in RT 38194 ([TODO] build - optimize pmc2c.pl). Reduce number of invocations of FindBin.
diff: parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision/?rev=26527
particl1 carbon neutral is so five minutes ago
kid51 Coke: re Pmc2c/*.pm: ask tewk.
Coke kid51: I suspect it's more of a question for chromatic, given his work in the pdd17 branch. I suspect they can be collapsed, though. 16:00
cognominal why California votes Clinton more than Obama?
pmichaud cognominal: Clinton won a huge segment of the latino vote in California
cognominal with our bling-bling president, we don't have any more time for foreign politics
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cotto_work kj, nice job finishing the Parrot tutorial! 16:17
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kid51 purl seen Infinoid? 16:30
purl Infinoid was last seen on #parrot 53 minutes and 29 seconds ago, saying: Tene: I'm 3 hours away from SF (lake tahoe)
kid51 Infinoid ping
particl1: Any comment on rt.perl.org/rt3/Ticket/Display.html?id=40653 ? 16:34
Infinoid kid51: hi! 16:37
particl1 looking
kid51: i like that test. it's definitely a good first take. i recommend committing it 16:38
kid51 Infinoid: re the change to config/auto/perldoc.pm. I'll have to trust you on that. It DWIMs for me on Linux and Darwin, so it Does No Harm.
I don't really understand where scriptdirexp comes from, though. 16:39
Infinoid comes from perl5's Config.pm
someone (I believe it was wolverian) had a weird perl5.10.0 configuration that was installed in his homedir, and his scriptdir was set to ".../" 16:40
which is apparently shorthand for "go figure it out yourself" 16:41
something to do with $^X 16:42
kid51 I'm not disputing that. It's just that on both Darwin and Linux, when I call perldoc -m Config and look thru the output, I only see 'scriptdir' -- not 'scriptdirexp'. So how does init::defaults on those OSes pick up scriptdirexp?
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Infinoid its autoloaded from Config_heavy.pl 16:44
kid51 k 16:45
Infinoid thanks for the review 16:46
Coke kid51_afk: is that checking just docs/pdds/ or ../draft too? 17:14
particl1 heads out for yet another dr's appointment 17:18
Coke good lucks. 17:19
cotto_work I hate it when people say "PERL" 17:20
kid51 Coke: It is checking drafts, there's one error I have to correct. 17:27
Coke kid51: ok. I am uncertain of whether or not I think it *should* check there, was just curious. 17:29
kid51 Yes, it is intended to check there. After all, in both directories the files are PDDs. They're just in different stages of development/approval -- correct? 17:30
Coke my thought was relating to just how *draft* it is. =-) 17:36
but yah, might as well check both. 17:37
kid51++
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Coke pmichaud: if you're looking for an easy win, finishing up your P6Regex removal is down to pretty much one (already broken) file. 17:53
rt.perl.org/rt3/Ticket/Display.html?id=48028
... even though I spelled its wrong. (Curses!) 17:54
particl1 coke++ # entropy reduction 17:55
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Coke I was going to see about removing it, then I noticed it was broken. then I noticed something it needed was broken. then I... realized I should just open some tickets. 17:57
wolverian Infinoid, it's not weird, it's a relocatable perl. well, I suppose you might call that weird. the relocatability is new in 5.10, anyway.
Coke "it's not weird, it's ... perl" 17:59
svnbotl r26528 | jkeenan++ | trunk:
: Adding t/codingstd/pdd_format.t to check formatting of PDDs in docs/pdds/ and
: docs/pdds/draft per RT 40653.
diff: parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision/?rev=26528
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svnbotl r26529 | jkeenan++ | trunk: 18:25
: Change name of config step class gen::icu to auto::icu. It was not
: generating any new files. It was simply another automated probe of the
: configuration environment. Make additional corrections as needed in
: Parrot::Configure::Step::List, MANIFEST and tests.
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bgeron would Parrot be interested in hosting the zeroinstall interface file on parrotcode.org itself? 21:15
a redirect is enough, and it gives parrotcode.org control 21:17
you could even redirect to multiple implementations by packagers :) 21:18
it would be hard to regain that control if another URI is in widespread use, unfortunately 21:20
Coke If I know what a zeroinstall interface file was, possibly.
=-)
s/know/knew/ # argh 21:21
bgeron example at quackcode.org/2008/interfaces/parrot.xml
oh, and there's an interface.xsl (xslt) and a GPG key, because remote feeds must always be signed 21:22
Coke that doesn't tell me what it *is*.
well, ok, what it *does*.
zeroinstall?
bgeron ah of course :)
zeroinstall is a package manager
Coke zeroinstall is 0install.net/roadmap.html
bgeron only it's distributed, nonprivileged, secure and more of that stuff 21:23
and a package isn't referred to as "parrot" but as such a URI (of which multiple implementations may exist)
there should be an interface file at that URI though, or things will go wrong if I install package A which depends on Parrot, because it can't find how to install Parrot 21:24
s/install/download/
Coke do we need to maintain multiple urls for various versions?
bgeron nope
they're all in one interface file 21:25
the 2008 is only for namespacing
Coke seems reasonable. I'd open a ticket with the XML attached (that'll cc the list and give folks a chance to comment.) 21:26
bgeron okay, but
if I'm the only packager for Parrot, it'd be more useful to put a different interface there which 'includes' my feed
but better have a proper interface there if Real Parrot People package too :) 21:27
bgeron tries what such a file would look like
Coke I'd include that in the email. =-) 21:28
bgeron okay, thanks
a third alternative is to just include multiple packagers in that feed 21:29
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bgeron well, the point is that if people use a parrotcode.org URI, we can easily change that 21:29
Coke it seems vaguely like java web start.
-> 21:30
bgeron there is a comparison to JWS on 0install.net/matrix.html, and it looks a lot like it indeed
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bgeron the interface URI at parrotcode.org should start with www., I guess? 21:40
the web server seems to redirect to www.parrotcode.org/blah if not 21:41
bgeron.nl/~bgeron/0install-parrot/ should be what you'd upload in /2008/interfaces/ 21:45
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bgeron either the mailing list is slow, or Coke hasn't sent his email yet :) 23:02
Tene Or both! 23:03
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