Parrot 0.8.1 "Tio Richie" Released | parrot.org | 588 RT | 11 trac
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chromatic I like this look: 00:44
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chromatic wardley.org/use.perl.org/test.html 00:44
jonathan It's certainly an improvement. :-) 00:47
Fixing the Recent Journals box that disappeared would be a Good Thing to.
*too
Of course, I'm preaching to the choir here... 00:48
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dalek r33528 | jkeenan++ | testparrottest: 00:50
: 1. Move sub generate_languages_functions() farther down in file for ease of
: editing. (We'll probably move this out of this package eventually, as it
: pertains only to languages built on Parrot, and not to PASM, PIR or C.)
: 2. Throw in some print STDERR statements to facilitate debugging in
: _run_test_file and related unit tests.
diff: www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=33528
jonathan use.perl.org/~JonathanWorthington/journal/38035 # ramblings about my adventures in parrot today 00:51
bacek rakudo: say "hi" 00:58
polyglotbot No output (you need to produce output to STDOUT)
bacek jonathan++ # making Rakudo better
<bacek> perl6: token CommentContent { .* }; token Comment { '(:' <CommentContent>? ':)' }; say "(: Hi :)" ~~ / <Comment> /; say ~$/
<p6eval> rakudo 33527: OUTPUT[␤␤]
Why <Comment> didn't matched? 00:59
lathos jonathan++ # Fixing block segfaults. Now I can write much nicer code. 01:01
dalek r33529 | jkeenan++ | testparrottest: 01:03
: Improve debugging statements.
diff: www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=33529
jonathan bacek: Becuase it's a token and it doesn't backtrack. 01:04
So the .* swallows up the last :)
bacek jonathan: ah. ok 01:05
Infinoid has anyone worked on JIT on x86-64?
I'm betting the NX bit stuff would have gotten in the way of that 01:06
bacek <bacek> rakudo: token CommentContent { <- [ '(:' | ':)']>* }; token Comment { '(:' <CommentContent>? ':)' }; say "(: Hi: There :)" ~~ / <Comment> /; 01:14
<p6eval> rakudo 33527: OUTPUT[␤]
dalek r33530 | jkeenan++ | testparrottest: 01:15
: Improve debugging message.
diff: www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=33530
bacek jonathan: why this one failing? (It works for comment without : 01:16
jonathan I suspect because you're trying to make a character class...even so, hmm. 01:20
dalek r33531 | simon++ | trunk:
: Fixes to column-lookup code, and some more tests
diff: www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=33531
jonathan Maybe negated cc's ain't done yet...
bacek jonathan: np. thei0s on #perl6 explained me already. 01:21
.*? <before '(:'>
jonathan Yes, that should work. :-) 01:22
bacek jonathan: it actually works! :)
Files=6, Tests=193, 30 wallclock secs ( 0.08 usr 0.00 sys + 28.56 cusr 0.56 csys = 29.20 CPU) 01:24
...but slowly...
jonathan bacek: What are you working on? 01:26
bacek I learning perl6. By implementing XQuery :)
jonathan Cool! 01:27
jonathan should write some Perl 6 some day.
bacek jonathan: perl6 is very cool language. You'll like it :) 01:28
Limbic_Region jonathan - prelude now supports inline PIR ;-)
jonathan has some evil ideas
bacek jonathan: btw, 'conquer the world' is mine! 01:30
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Infinoid eh, it's been done. 01:33
jonathan Yeah. I'll go for something more challenging. 01:34
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Limbic_Region jonathan: a perl 6 implementation that is a self-bootstrapping quine that is feature complete? 01:36
jonathan I didn't mean *that* much more challenging! 01:37
Infinoid and 32.5% more evil than a quine 01:38
cotto self-bootstrapping?
Limbic_Region parses and executes itself
without the need to first be parsed and executed in an intermediate language
cotto runs away 01:39
Limbic_Region er s/$/first/
dalek r33532 | Whiteknight++ | calling_conventions: 02:10
: [calling_conventions] update to trunk r33531. No fixes
diff: www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=33532
wknight8111 this branch is supremely frustrating 02:12
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jonathan wknight8111: Parrot guts often can be, especially bits like those you're working on. :-( 02:19
wknight8111 jonathan, you have time to look at an interesting problem? 02:20
because the calling_conventions branch could use a fresh set of eyes
jonathan wknight8111: It's 3:20am here, so I've really not got the concentration right now - I already gave up on some (vastly more trivial) Rakudo hacking earlier. 02:21
Another time though, I can try and take a look. 02:22
wknight8111 yeah, you need to get some rest then
I saw your blog post today, good job! jonathan++
jonathan Yeah, had some "fun" with Parrot guts stuff. 02:23
Was a couple of things that worked because something else didn't.
nopaste "pmichaud" at 72.181.176.220 pasted "...why doesn't this work?" (30 lines) at nopaste.snit.ch/14831 02:28
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jonathan pmichaud: Ah, is that the ".incldue didn't work out" thing? 02:42
I think I saw you mention that, but forgot about it...
pmichaud: What error gives it? 02:43
nopaste "pmichaud" at 72.181.176.220 pasted "error from converting 'cat' to a sequence of .includes" (8 lines) at nopaste.snit.ch/14832 02:44
jonathan I'm really not sure. .include isn't meant to do anything clever - I thought it even operated at the lexer level... 02:47
bacek Is <cut> implemented in Rakudo?
pmichaud right, that's what I was thinking also.
bacek: no.
jonathan Well, don't have the engergy for it now, but it'd be maybe good to fix that.
pmichaud yeah, it kinda bugs me that it gives an error at all.
bacek pmichaud: sigh...
purl there's no crying in perl programming!
jonathan Same...I can't think why it'd do that.
pmichaud it's failing in the 'init' :vtable method of Perl6::Compiler, though. And I'd prefer that Perl6::Compiler not have an 'init' :vtable method, so maybe if I clean that up it'll avoid whatever bug we're tickling. 02:49
switching to laptop 02:50
brb
jonathan If it does clear it up, it'll give us a hint...
pmichaud it doesn't appear to clear it up 03:02
dalek r33533 | pmichaud++ | trunk: 03:15
: [rakudo]: Convert an :init vtable to run at :load :init instead.
diff: www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=33533
r33534 | jkeenan++ | testparrottest:
: Place POD for 'SEE ALSO' in correct location.
diff: www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=33534
jonathan pmichaud: OK. I need to sleep now 03:16
pmichaud sure thing -- see you tomorrow.
I'll probably do the same soon.
jonathan Given it's 4am here, don't think I'll be doing an early one tomorrow. ;-)
jonathan is so much more a night person...
pmichaud you'll still probably be up before me :-)
jonathan :-)
night
pmichaud great work today
jonathan Thanks, was less -Ofun, and but -Oneeded 03:17
s/but/more/
jonathan -> sleeeep
bacek pmichaud: Is there any way to prevent backtracking after certain position? 03:22
pmichaud sure, :: or ::: will do it 03:26
also <commit>
dalek r33535 | jkeenan++ | testparrottest: 03:30
: Reposition debugging statement
diff: www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=33535
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Infinoid loses focus and makes stupid mistakes 04:16
time to call it a day.
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purl $kid51->sleep(8 * 3600);
dalek r33536 | jkeenan++ | testparrottest:
: Insert some inline comments to help diagnose excessively long subroutine.
diff: www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=33536
Coke pmichaud: want a Configure.pl of perl6's own? 04:34
pmichaud Coke: I copied the tcl one earlier, it works great (after I remembered to change 'tcl' to 'perl6') 04:35
but didn't get a chance to ci it
short answer: "yes, please!" :-)
Coke brt.
pmichaud actually, I'm thinking we should add one to mk_language_shell.pl, too :-)
dalek r33537 | coke++ | trunk: 04:38
: [perl6] add a Configure.pl for perl6; use this to regenerate the Makefile.
: - also, regen MANIFEST.
diff: www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=33537
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Coke wonders why switching rakudo's builtins to be .include'd instead of inlined fails. 05:30
fails trying to find the P6 compiler when turning Test.pm into Test.pir 05:31
dalek r33538 | coke++ | trunk: 05:33
: [perl6] - ignore more generated files (OS X)
diff: www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=33538
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Coke AHA. 05:43
cotto aha++ 05:45
Coke there. rakudo's src/gen_builtins.pir is now .includes instead of duplicated code. 05:51
dalek r33539 | coke++ | trunk: 05:52
: [perl6] Convert src/gen_builtins.pir to be .include instead of inline copies.
: (This makes IMCC report line numbers you can fix instead of lines in a copy of a file you shouldn't edit.)
: Only issue preventing this was a missing =cut tag in one of the builtins.
: Also fixup manifest.
diff: www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=33539
r33540 | coke++ | trunk: 06:00
: [CAGE] pass t/distro/*meta*
diff: www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=33540
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jimmy #!/home/tewk/srcs/parrot/perl6 ?? 06:17
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jimmy does it really work? 06:20
cotto If there's an exectuable at that location, it will work. 06:21
jimmy yes :) 06:23
rev=33540 , i don't think there is 06:24
i should say it's wrong at r33540 06:25
cotto That's probably not a standard location for the perl6 exectuable. 06:26
dalek r33541 | infinoid++ | trunk: 06:49
: [CAGE] Remove trailing whitespace from 5 source files.
diff: www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=33541
r33542 | infinoid++ | trunk:
: [CAGE] Fix 15 failures of t/codingstd/c_parens.
diff: www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=33542
r33543 | infinoid++ | trunk: 06:54
: [CAGE] Fix a linelength.t failure in perl6multisub.pmc
diff: www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=33543
r33544 | infinoid++ | trunk:
: [CAGE] Fix a couple of t/codingstd/c_code_coda.t failures.
diff: www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=33544
r33545 | infinoid++ | trunk:
: [CAGE]
: * Fix a couple of t/codingstd/c_header_guards.t failures.
: * Fix several t/codingstd/c_operator.t failures.
diff: www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=33545
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Infinoid does rakudo have "use strict" and "use warnings"? perlcritic.t is complaining about them being missing from the new perl6 SQLite libraries, but that seems unlikely to be valid 07:09
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dalek r33546 | duff++ | trunk: 07:40
: [rakudo] Add :nth() and :x() flags to .subst($str,$repl) and .subst($regex,$repl)
diff: www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=33546
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dalek r33547 | fperrad++ | trunk: 10:06
: [Lua] mathx
: - more tests 10:07
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dalek r33548 | moritz++ | trunk: 10:31
: [rakudo] remove debugging output. Closes RT #61078. ihrd++
diff: www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=33548
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jimmy can anybody process trac.parrot.org/parrot/ticket/19 ? it blocks me to create another patch. 12:34
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moritz jimmy: why do we need those '=cut's? it works fine without... 12:39
jimmy doesn't
try make html under docs 12:40
dalek r33549 | julianalbo++ | trunk:
: fix exception.pmc:get_bool
diff: www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=33549
jimmy it is necessary for pod docs in /* */
purl Hmm. No matches for that, jimmy.
dalek r33550 | moritz++ | trunk: 12:42
: [cage] trailing whitespaces
diff: www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=33550
jimmy and some method missed docs
moritz if the cuts are needed, we should have a codingstd test for them 12:44
jimmy unfortunately, no
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jimmy you can consult related pods 12:45
riffraff hello
purl niihau, riffraff.
moritz jimmy: first I'm trying to clean up some other codingst failures, then I'll take a look at your patch 12:46
dalek r33551 | moritz++ | trunk:
: [cage] some missing copyright and $Id$ lines (more to come)
diff: www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=33551
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jimmy moritz: ok, without the patch ,make html will build wrong html docs 12:46
i.e. macro.hmlt 12:47
i.e. macro1.html
dalek r33552 | moritz++ | trunk: 12:48
: [cage] fix $Id$ statements, moritz--
diff: www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=33552
r33553 | moritz++ | trunk: 12:51
: [cage] clean up codingstd failures in ext/SQLite3/
diff: www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=33553
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dalek r33554 | moritz++ | trunk: 12:53
: [cage] clean up two Configure.pl's (svn id, copyright)
diff: www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=33554
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moritz jimmy: I can't find a macro.html or macro1.html - where should it be? 12:56
jimmy masak: some of your journal using chinese ,funny 12:57
moritz: it is macro1.html under docs/html
masak jimmy: funny-nice, or funny-unreadable?
jonathan morning^Wafternoon all
masak jonathan: dito
jimmy masak: funny-nice 12:58
moritz jonathan: haha, I sleep to 11:00, it' still morning for me ;-)
masak jimmy: great :)
thanks
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jimmy masak: use.perl.org/~masak/journal/37976 here 12:58
masak jimmy: for some reason, I think that conveys laughter much better than does "haha" 12:59
jimmy charset=iso-8859-1, though.
and O(∩_∩)O哈哈~
masak huh? not here.
jimmy or (*^__^*) å˜»å˜»ā€¦ā€¦
masak jimmy: oh, you mean I should have written it like that? :)
masak first thought O(n_n) was a complexity measure 13:00
jimmy as you like it.
masak jimmy: still learning Asian emoticons, I'm afraid ^_^ 13:01
jimmy should be O(∩_∩)O, it's like face of laughing
masak yes, I see that now.
they're so strange, they're all rotated 90 degrees clockwise :)
jimmy it's not the part of chinse, just like : ) on the web 13:02
masak jimmy: ęˆ‘ēŸ„é“
dalek r33555 | moritz++ | trunk:
: add '=cut' lines to some POD documents. Closes trac #19, jimmy++
diff: www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=33555
jimmy hmm,it's outputed from sogou shuru fa. 13:03
masak sogou?
I know "shuru fa", but what's "sogou"? 13:04
jimmy www.sogou.com
it's pinyin.sogou.com/
and you will see it. 13:05
it's one of the best shurufa in china now. 13:07
lathos masak: They're rotated clockwise because Chinese and Japanese traditionally read top to bottom not left to right. 13:08
masak jimmy: what makes it so great?
lathos: oh, so it has nothing to do with real faces normally being rotated that way? (I was trying to be funny when I said the above.)
lathos (I just made that up but it sounds believable.)
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masak lathos: ah. 13:08
jimmy moritz: so i think there should be code standard for missing '=cut' 13:09
masak lathos: Chinese ideograms of animals are normally rotated 90 degrees clockwise, i.e. the opposite direction from smilies.
moritz jimmy: patches welcome
purl That's swahili for "Put up or shut up."
jimmy lathos: should be top to bottom and left to right. 13:10
jonathan lathos: You're in Japan, IIRC? 13:11
jonathan is pondering doing YAPC::Asia this year...and guesses it will be in Japan. 13:12
Well, next year
purl next year is the first year nordakker have tax write-offs
lathos I am.
jonathan 2009. :-)
lathos But next year I will be in the UK. :)
COming back in 2010.
jonathan Ah, OK.
jimmy masak: it is so great, for humanity and creativity and so and so
lathos This year's YAPC::Asia was excellent.
jonathan I'll not see you there, then. ;-)
Yes. I've not seen any dates for the 2009 one yet, but will keep an eye out.
lathos They were talking about having it in Kyoto. 13:13
If I get a job and do interesting Perl things between now and then I may come back for it.
masak jimmy: by "humanity", do you mean "humane user interface"? 13:14
jonathan OK. If I go I'll probably spend 2 weeks or so over in Japan.
And visit a few places.
So I won't mind which city it's in. :-)
lathos Cool.
jonathan Never been there before, and would really like to.
lathos Top tips: Tokyo and Osaka are not worth much time. Kyoto, Nara, Hiroshima are the places to go.
jimmy masak: i think i should say 'be close to humanity', my poor english though. 13:15
masak jimmy: 'close to humanity' is still poor English, I'm afraid.
jimmy: do you mean 'easy to use, because it's designed according to the way people think'?
jonathan Thanks - good to know. 13:16
jimmy hmm, i should say 'be close to human's custom.
masak jimmy: that's what I thought.
jimmy or äŗŗę€§åŒ–
masak jimmy: it's usually just called 'useable' or 'user-friendly'.
lathos Intuitive.
purl rumour has it intuitive is in the brain of the beholder or EXCEPT NIPPLES. EVERYONE understands nipples. or a word people apply to interfaces they're familiar with (or nipples) or use.perl.org/~petdance/journal/12908
jonathan ...that wasn't quite what I was expecting... 13:17
jimmy masak: or humanization? it is right ?
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masak jimmy: not that I've heard.
jimmy: sounds like you're trying to transform something into a human.
lathos äŗŗē”ŸåŒ– is literally humanizing, but what you mean is "intuitive".
masak aye. 13:18
jimmy so i should say ' it is humanized'
lathos Intuitive.
purl intuitive is in the brain of the beholder or EXCEPT NIPPLES. EVERYONE understands nipples. or a word people apply to interfaces they're familiar with (or nipples) or use.perl.org/~petdance/journal/12908
jimmy lathos: your know chinese? good, a new one 13:19
s/your/you/
it is humanized. it is right ?
lathos I know 漢字
Intuitive. Not going to say it again.
jimmy be good at it ? 13:20
lathos Well, I can read Japanese. I can read a little bit of Chinese.
jimmy there were so many words in english. and there were 4000 word in chinese. my memory was full.
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riffraff question wrt HLLCompiler.pir 13:21
should'nt the interactiveroutine have a "print" phase? 13:22
jimmy lathos++
lathos jimmy: There are 4000 letters in Chinese. There are 26 letters in English. :)
jimmy that not letter
that was a half of word 13:23
riffraff as of now it does read, eval, possibly print PAST/PIR/POST, loop. IMHO it should also print the result of the last step
jimmy or it is a word sometimes
jonathan riffraff: You can insert your own stages. 13:24
riffraff: See Rakudo, we have a check phase too
jimmy just like äŗŗ means person or people, and äŗŗē±» means human or human being 13:25
lathos Yep. So much more than 4000 words.
jimmy and no peoples or humans or persons with 's' 13:26
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riffraff jonathan, yes, but I have the feeling that the default should be to have a print of the operation result, I think it's the expected behaviour in all the interactive interpreters I know 13:28
(in rakudo too :) )
jonathan Yeah, Pugs I think did work like that
riffraff (err.. meaning "it would be nice to have")
jonathan I wouldn't object to Rakudo's REPL having that. 13:29
Especially if it showed the type of the thingy that resulted too.
jonathan had his first REPL experience with ML
Maybe I've been unduly influenced. :-)
riffraff :) 13:31
ElPenguin it does seem like most interactive interpreters do that 13:32
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ElPenguin most lisp REPLs are just (loop (print (eval (read)))) 13:32
riffraff another small thing, again in the HLLCompiler interactive method.. it seems to be setting the prompt at every iteration, shouldn't that be done only once at start?
jonathan I think it is useful to be able to per iteration 13:33
lathos That's not a REPL, that's a LPER. 13:34
jonathan Like, it'd be good if we could support typing
lathos If you did "{print (eval read)} loop" would it be a PERL?
jonathan > class Foo {
- has $x;
- }
As in, you get a difference prompt when you open a curly.
lathos "Foo>"
jimmy moritz: trac.parrot.org/parrot/attachment/ticket/20 i think i should tell you. 13:35
ElPenguin lathos: if you make function calls (args)funcname then it could be read eval print loop ;)
riffraff ah makes sense
jonathan We don't do that yet.
I'd love it if we did. :-)
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jimmy I really know nothing of the difference between humanization and humanizing. 13:48
masak jimmy: neither of them is a good translation of "äŗŗē”ŸåŒ–", as lathos pointed out. it is a _literal_ translation, but not a good one. 13:52
jimmy thanks. should be 'äŗŗę€§åŒ–'. but, is there different between these two words? 13:54
masak which two words?
the point is that 'äŗŗę€§åŒ–' is best translated as 'intuitive' or 'user-friendly' in English. 13:55
jimmy humanization and humanizing
lathos humanization is a noun, humanizing is adjective or participle.
masak the translation 'humanizing' conveys what the individual hanzi mean, but that is not relevant in an English translation.
lathos s/adjective/adverb/ 13:56
masak lathos: no, adjective
lathos Yes. I'm confused.
So åč©ž versus å½¢å®¹č©ž if that makes sense in Chinese.
jimmy hmm, with ing sometime it is noun too. 13:57
lathos Normally it's a participle used as a noun.
"Surfing" is actually a participle, it just looks like a noun. 13:58
jimmy lathos: aye. to make us understanding the accidence, participle was re-named to noun in dict. 14:00
it is so called 'verb-noun' 14:01
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jimmy I think, the handicap of learning chinese pronunciation and the handicap of learning english should be vocabulary. i was always confused with the same meaning of words such as barrier,obstruction and handicap. 14:11
lathos English is not the only language that has synonyms. 14:17
äŗŗē”Ÿ, ē”Ÿę¶Æ, ē”Ÿę“» are all "life" in English.
Oh, and so are ē”Ÿå‘½ and 命. 14:18
ElPenguin is curious about how you input chinese characters
jimmy using chatzilla
hmm. ē”Ÿę“» is noun and verb, it is life and live 14:19
ē”Ÿę¶Æ means career . i.e: lathos's career 14:21
ē”Ÿå‘½ is a noun and ē”Ÿ is verb 14:22
äŗŗē”Ÿč§‚ means philosophy 14:23
ē”Ÿ usually is not used as a word 14:25
such as 'membership-based'
bacek want LTM...
badly
jimmy lathos: re-name means ā€˜é‡-å‘½åā€™, the word 're' just like a word in chinese. and there were difference of 're' and build the word 14:27
bacek "Curiosity killed the cat". 14:28
Guys, it's #parrot, not #chinese 14:29
jimmy sorry. i was just learning english.
i was chinese.
bacek: are you free now? 14:31
bacek jimmy: yes
jimmy and please deal with trac.parrot.org/parrot/attachment/ticket/20. i was always blocked to create another patch for my patch. 14:32
bacek jimmy: Sorry, I'm not commiter... 14:33
dalek r33556 | moritz++ | trunk:
: [tools/dev/mk_language_shell.pl] use tokens for matching literals.
: Patch courtesy by Gabriele Renzi, riffraff++. Closes RT #61086
diff: www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=33556
bacek jimmy: You can ask moritz :) 14:34
jimmy i am reading all over the docs. and finding some bugs, sometimes for my poor english, there was outdated docs with little change to make it's right, and i don't know how to describe it. 14:35
riffraff thanks moritz :) 14:36
jimmy i should say rewrite it. 14:37
dalek r33557 | kjs++ | trunk: 14:40
: [pirc] fix bugs in bytecode generator.
: + can emit string constants, num constants
diff: www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=33557
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dalek r33558 | Whiteknight++ | trunk: 14:47
: [Book] small updates and fixes to Chp4 and Chp6
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r33559 | Whiteknight++ | trunk: 14:49
: [IMCC] remove .param type "name" => value syntax from IMCC, per RT#57410
diff: www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=33559
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riffraff is there default stringish representation for everything inside parrot? It seems some things do not have get_string and so fail with "say" 15:00
(RTF $file welcome)
lathos Sounds like you know the answer to that question. 15:02
kj riffraff: you probably want to look into documentation about PMCs 15:08
dalek r33560 | kjs++ | trunk: 15:09
: [pirc] documentation rocks!
: + and cleanups too.
diff: www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=33560
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dalek r33561 | Whiteknight++ | trunk: 15:19
: [Book] add information about named parameters and optional parameters to chapter 4
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dalek r33562 | kjs++ | trunk: 15:28
: [pirc] fix some bugs I introduced previous commit (reordering of statements)
diff: www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=33562
r33563 | kjs++ | trunk: 15:35
: [pirc] fix heredoc preprocessor to handle comments at end of file properly. If you write a line comment on the last line, without a \\n at the end, the # would be written to the intermediate file; the PIR lexer doesn't know how to handle #s, so error. Fix this. (easy fix: the {EOL} in a line comment becomes optional, so that the rule is also matched if there's no \\n)
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dalek r33564 | fperrad++ | trunk: 15:37
: [Lua] complex
: - more tests
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dalek r33565 | kjs++ | trunk: 15:44
: [pirc] update README.pod
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register what does the set_reg_usage function do? 16:07
kj register: what file? 16:10
register kj
don't ask me to read the pod documentation in the sourcecode:
it says: 16:11
kj eh?
register locate Sub according to pc
purl Speak up, sonny!
register 1281 * - set register usage in context
i am trying to figure out the jit source code...
kj I asked in what file that function is located
register it is located in src/jit.c
kj ... not to ask the pod documentation
s/ask/read/
ok. Well, I'mnot familiar with that code, but for each Sub, parrot allocates a number of registers that are needed for executing that sub 16:12
it might have something to do with that, but can't say for sure
register ok 16:13
what exactly is a segment?
from a parrot point of view?
kj bytecode consists of a nubmer of segements
register ok
kj a code segment, a constants segment
see pdd13 I think
register ok
kj byte bytecode pdd anyway
register thx kj you have been very helpful
kj ok, you're welcome
Whiteknight i've never even figured out the JIT code 16:16
register well i got the big picture and now i am beginning to slowly figuring out the details...
but it is a slow process... 16:17
it's pretty full of stuff
and of details...
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dalek r33566 | duff++ | trunk: 16:21
: [ncigen] Added a note to the README about the IPC::Run3 requirement
diff: www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=33566
kj register: do you happen to know whether there's any mentioning of 'basic block' in the JIT code? 16:23
besides a code and constants segment, bytecode also has a 'jit' segment, and I'm just looking into that in bytecode generation
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dalek r33567 | fperrad++ | trunk: 16:29
: [win32] setup
: fix RT #60986
: Now, PrivilegesRequired=none (admin was the default value)
diff: www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=33567
pmichaud PerlJam: ping
dalek r33568 | pmichaud++ | trunk: 16:32
: [rakudo]: spectest-progress.csv update: 228 files, 4708 passing
diff: www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=33568
r33569 | Whiteknight++ | trunk: 16:51
: [src/gc] add a small comment to smallobject.c that isn't worth pursuing now.
diff: www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=33569
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jonathan parrotbug? 17:04
purl parrotbug is mailto:parrotbug@parrotcode.org or svn.perl.org/parrot/trunk/docs/submissions.pod or see also "rakudobug" or needs to be converted to trac
jonathan rakudobug?
purl i guess rakudobug is mailto:rakudobug@perl.org
kj jonathan: Hi, do you know how the var-arg ops (set_returns, get_params, etc) are stored in bytecode? 17:05
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jonathan kj: Yes 17:06
kj: One moment, just dealing with something else, then will explain
kj okay, thx
dalek r33570 | jkeenan++ | testparrottest:
: Add tests for 3 c_output* test functions.
diff: www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=33570
kj In the mean time I'll just type here how I think it's done. So that might help in your explanation (or even drastically shorten it, if I'm right :-) ) 17:07
pmichaud I have a very quick question that jonathan (or someone) might be to answer 17:08
src/pmc/capture.pmc doesn't have a custom mark() subroutine. Should it?
kj pmichaud: if the PMC has any extra data structures as attributes, my guess would be 'yes' 17:09
(I take it capture inherits from some other pmc?)
jonathan: (my view on var-args-bytecode) Let's say we want to emit get_params "0,0,0,0", $P0, $P1, $P2, $P3, then the following is emitted: <opcode for get_params>, <index for fixedpmcarray object in constants-table>, and finally this: 0, 1, 2, 3 17:12
pmichaud capture doesn't inherit from another pmc 17:13
it does have extra PMC attributes
kj the fixedpmcarray should have the encoding of flags, and I would guess it also knows what register types 0-3 are.
pmichaud: in my (limited) understanding, the PMC is responsible for marking everythign it references 17:14
pmichaud kj: that's my understanding as well.
kj so, the custom mark method should do that , I'd say
pmichaud okay, I'll try that 17:15
tnx
dalek r33571 | moritz++ | trunk:
: [rakudo] add regression tests for errors in signatures
diff: www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=33571
pmichaud oh, wait. we have
PObj_data_is_PMC_array_SET(SELF);
so I think that must take care of it. 17:16
maybe.
yes, that's it.
jonathan pmichaud: Yes, that may (should, hopefully ;-)) take care of it. 17:19
I don't like using that flag so much because I think you gotta make sure you have a valid value in one of the cachevals too so it knows how many thingies to mark, IIRC.
pmichaud yes, in the int_val slot, I think. 17:20
PMC_int_val(SELF) = CAPTURE_DATA_SIZE;
jonathan Yes. 17:21
kj: You are pretty much correct, yes.
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jonathan The FixedPMCArray goes in the constants table. 17:22
dalek r33572 | jkeenan++ | testparrottest:
: Add a 'c_output_unlike' test function.
diff: www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=33572
jonathan For named parameters things are more interesting, as they get two entries in the array - one saying where the name comes from, and another saying where the value comes from.
But each value in the fixedintegerarray (is not pmcarray, sorry) is both the register type and any additional flags. 17:23
They are specified in PDD03.
kj ah yes, I see now. Thanks 17:26
jonathan pmichaud: How's assignment stuff going? 17:27
pmichaud I'm working on a capture optimization at the moment 17:28
to try to speed up parsing
but I think I've found an imcc bug
nopaste coming
nopaste "pmichaud" at 72.181.176.220 pasted "code generated for regex / (hello) \\s+ $0 /" (138 lines) at nopaste.snit.ch/14836
pmichaud another nopaste coming 17:29
nopaste "pmichaud" at 72.181.176.220 pasted "trace for matching 'hello hello' to regex in nopaste 14836" (118 lines) at nopaste.snit.ch/14837
pmichaud the problem line in the trace is: 17:30
230 local_branch P2, -70 P2=ResizableIntegerArray=PMC(0x81ec6a0)
I _think_ this corresponds to the following line in the PIR source 17:31
local_branch cstack, R14
I don't understand the "-70"
jonathan What would R14 be? 17:32
Oh, the destination label?
pmichaud if you look in the source, it comes *after* the local_branch statement
yes, destination label
jonathan -70 would suggest it thinks it came before 17:33
pmichaud and clearly the instructions being executed after the local_branch are not the ones at R14
dalek r33573 | moritz++ | trunk:
: [rakudo] add test file to spectest.data (binding of closures to &variables)
diff: www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=33573
pmichaud it looks as though it branched instead to R11_close 17:34
This code was generated with some local patches in place 17:36
jonathan That's odd, because surely if there was a bug in this we'd have been seeing it long before now...
pmichaud but nothing significant
I've basically switched PGE from using the Capture_PIR class to the Capture PMC
let me see what I get without my local patches 17:37
also, this is the _only_ failing test in the PGE test suite with my local modifications
and the (PIR) code that is generated is correct.
btw, Coke++ figured out what was going on with the .include stuff :-) 17:38
we had a file that was missing a =cut
which was causing .includes to be treated as comments :)
dalek r33574 | jkeenan++ | testparrottest: 17:40
: Add can_ok test for c_output_unlike.
diff: www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=33574
moritz we should have a codingstd test that checks for missing =cut lines
jonathan pmichaud: Ah! :-)
lol
Will be interesting to see if it works without your local patches...and very odd too. 17:41
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jonathan pmichaud: And that works? 17:42
nopaste "pmichaud" at 72.181.176.220 pasted "trace for nopaste 14838" (166 lines) at nopaste.snit.ch/14839
"pmichaud" at 72.181.176.220 pasted "code used to generate pir / traces" (17 lines) at nopaste.snit.ch/14840 17:44
pmichaud yes, it gives the correct value.
but the trace looks _really_ odd to me
I think I should realclean and try again
in nopaste 14839, we have 17:45
230 local_branch P2, -70 P2=ResizableIntegerArray=PMC(0x81c0e54)
which is the same problem I noticed in the earlier one
so either I'm reading the trace wrong, or _somehow_ we're managing to "match" even with such an obvious bug in the code
so, I'm going to backtrack and look again closely 17:46
the program in 14840 is sufficient to generate both the PIR and the trace
oh, I'm misreading the trace 17:47
just a sec 17:48
register let me see if i have correctly understood this
if a fixup is of tipe enum_fixup_sub
then it's offset
pmichaud the line I'm thinking corresponds to R14 is actually
local_branch cstack, R11_close
register its offset is a pointer in the constanct table
pmichaud which of course is what we're seeing.
register to a subroutine 17:49
pmichaud okay, forget all my nopastes -- I'll try again.
purl pmichaud, I didn't have anything matching all my nopastes -- i'll try again
jonathan is thankful that there isn't an IMCC bug to try and find 17:54
pmichaud me too.
dalek r33575 | jkeenan++ | testparrottest: 17:57
: Refactor C code used in CODE into .
diff: www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=33575
pmichaud oh, I see the issue. 17:59
interesting. 18:00
bbiab 18:07
jonathan hopes not *too* interesting...
pmichaud it has to do with whether the Capture PMC "does hash does array" or not 18:08
Capture_PIR isn't "does array"
Capture is.
and PGE gets confused by that. 18:09
back in 15
jonathan back after $time_it_takes_to_buy_beer 18:10
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PerlJam pm: pong 18:28
pmichaud PerlJam: nice work on :nth. Unfortunately, it's wrong.
:-)
:nth doesn't mean "every"
PerlJam I wasn't sure about the interaction between :g, :nth(), and :x() and that seemed "nice" to me :) 18:29
pmichaud ah
:nth(3) means replace only the third occurrence
:nth(2..4) means replace the second through fourth occurrences
the _easy_ way to do :nth is (I think) to smart match it against each repetition number 18:30
that way :nth( { .is_prime } ) will work, too. 18:31
PerlJam so ... should I check the pmc to see if it isa 'Sub' or isa 'Range' for those? (how do Ranges come across?) 18:32
pmichaud no
you just do a smart match on whatever you get
let smart match take care of figuring out what you got
that way it even works for things like
PerlJam smart matching in perl6 I understand. I'm not sure I quite understand it in parrot. 18:33
pmichaud $P0 = 'infix:~~'(number, nthpmc)
if $P0 ...
PerlJam (or maybe it's exactly the same and I have some sort of mental block)
pmichaud or you can perhaps get away with 18:34
$P0 = nthpmc.'ACCEPTS'(number)
PerlJam so what should happen if there's both :g and :nth(3) ?
pmichaud I would think that :nth(3) would take precedence
PerlJam why? 18:35
pmichaud ...but I wouldn't worry about that yet, honestly.
I would kinda see :g :nth(3) as being overlapping constraints
there is a case to be made that it means "keep doing :nth(3) as long as you can"
PerlJam sort of like ANDing them? 18:36
pmichaud yeah
can also think of it that :nth and :x imply :g (at least to some minimum number needed to satisfy :nth and :x)
those are probably questions for p6l 18:37
but I'd say to get the basic :nth implementation correct, and then we can let the test-suite and actual use cases identify the interactions 18:38
PerlJam What's the real difference between 'infix:~~'(number,nthpmc) and nthpmc.'ACCEPTS'(number) ? Is it just that the former is symmetric and the later isn't? 18:40
pmichaud smart match isn't symmetric
at all.
PerlJam makes a mental note to re-read S05 :) 18:41
pmichaud ...and S03, probably :-)
jonathan infix:~~ will end up calling .ACCEPTS
PerlJam so what's the difference?
pmichaud infix:~~ will also have some "syntactic smarts" in it
so that $x ~~ .method ends up calling .method on $x instead of $_
jonathan But they're syntactic, so they'll be in the parser/actions.
pmichaud correct 18:42
but it may also mean there's not really an 'infix:~~' sub at some point.
jonathan So at the PIR level, calling them there is identical, I think.
pmichaud I'd go with .ACCEPTS for now.
jonathan Ah, yes, true. We could translate straight to the call to .ACCEPTS.
pmichaud that's also more likely to do what you want for Junctions: :nth(3|5|7)
pmichaud recommends reviewing the synopsis before implementing any new feature in Rakudo. :-) 18:43
jonathan learnt this one the hard way.
Just because the synopsis *used* to have it the way you think it works... :-)
PerlJam Well, if I have some time tonight, I will re-implement :nth() then. 18:49
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pmichaud cool. 18:50
that would be awesome. I'll even see about getting the :3rd :1st :2nd adverbs to parse properly
PerlJam I figured last night's implementation was temporary anyway :)
pmichaud yeah, it concerned me a bit because it's headed down the wrong path (and I'm worried about it being copied into .match)
I suppose we could say that .subst really ought to be implemented in terms of .match 18:51
but I haven't figured out exactly how to do :global with :match yet
(if you can figure that out from S05, that would help also :-)
PerlJam Is Match related to Capture at all? 18:52
pmichaud in PGE, Match isa Capture
PerlJam awesome 18:53
pmichaud I don't know if we'd definitively decided that it should be that way, but they have enough in common that it makes sense
s/we'd/we've/
PerlJam So ... where exactly would you be parsing :1st and friends (IIRC, you should be able to use :23rd and :23st and :23nd as well) 18:57
pmichaud colonpair
purl i guess colonpair is really a term
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pmichaud it's an easy thing to add, if it's not there already 18:57
(it's not.)
and we should probably come up with an easy way to map adverb synonyms 18:58
so that it's easy to say "give me either :global or :g" or "give me :nth, :st, :nd, :rd, :th"
PerlJam yep
pmichaud I was thinking a private sub for now -- something like 18:59
$P0 = '!get_option'(options, ':nth', ':st', ':nd', ':rd', ':th', 'default'=>1)
of course, p6 allows a signature to specify both long and short name for an option... but we're not quite there yet (parrot calling conventions need work) 19:00
paco ; 19:06
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dalek r33576 | pmichaud++ | trunk: 21:42
: [pge]: Update PGE/Hs.pir so it doesn't directly access private @!list
diff: www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=33576
pmichaud I'm getting test failures in t/op/calling.t 21:43
t/op/calling.t 5 1280 98 5 5.10% 73-75 78 82
r33575+
(haven't done a bisect to see when this first started appearing)
dalek r33577 | pmichaud++ | trunk: 21:45
: [tge]: When iterating keyed values of TGE;Parser (Match) objects, use .hash()
diff: www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=33577
r33578 | pmichaud++ | trunk: 21:46
: [core]: Updates to Capture PMC
: * Don't automatically create array/hash if simply fetching a value
: * Allow set_pmc (setref op) to quickly release array/hash components
diff: www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=33578
jonathan pmichaud: Optimizatoins? 21:48
pmichaud yes
looks like about a 12% speedup in parsing.
jonathan Wow!
pmichaud++
pmichaud sorry, 12% speedup in parsing + code gen, which means the parsing speedup is actually a bit more than that.
jonathan That makes it even better. 21:49
pmichaud I have another couple of patches coming that might improve it more.
Whiteknight pmichaud++
jonathan ...and this is *before* Cursor, protoregexes and LTM...
pmichaud This also cleans up some code in TGE and other places that were making incorrect assumptions about Match objects
yes, this is before all of those.
jhorwitz tewk: ping
pmichaud I got tired of waiting for "make spectest" to take so long, so I figured I'd go for the quick optimization :-)
Whiteknight protoregexes and LTM are going to speed up parsing?
pmichaud Whiteknight: I expect at least an order of magnitude improvement 21:50
jonathan Cursor change should give maybe another 10% though? 21:51
pmichaud I don't know... it might
I'd guess closer to 5% to be conservative
jonathan OK.
pmichaud I'll be very happy if it's 10%
(which it could be)
jonathan But it'll make knowing about line numbers easier?
pmichaud I also have a *big* utf8 improvement to do
jonathan Or more efficient?
pmichaud cursor will make line numbers very simple and efficient, yes.
jonathan Great.
Does that come after assignment and parameters? ;-) 21:52
pmichaud that is the next PGE enhancement
yes, it comes after assignment and params
jonathan Great.
jonathan will dig back into bytecode annotations early next week.
pmichaud excellent. we should be timing the two items about right then.
jonathan Yup. 21:53
Maybe in January's Parrot release we ship a Rakudo that spits out line numbers and files. :-) 21:54
pmichaud Yes.
that seems very likely.
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masak (line numbers and files)++
pmichaud chromatic: I think we can reject #43485
I don't know that the issue was resolved, but a bunch of stuff has changed (including a TGE change I just committed) that perhaps invalidates the ticket. 21:55
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dalek r33579 | pmichaud++ | trunk: 21:56
: [pge]: Workaround problem of trying to shift PMCs from a Hash iterator.
diff: www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=33579
chromatic pmichaud, I agree.
dalek r33580 | pmichaud++ | trunk: 21:59
: [pge]: Switch PGE::Match to use Capture PMC instead of Capture_PIR objects.
: This results in a 13% speed improvement in the "Rakudo actions.pm
: benchmark" (was 45.75sec, now 39.80sec on my system).
diff: www.parrotvm.org/svn/parrot/revision?rev=33580
jonathan wonders what this does to make spectest 22:01
pmichaud should also be ~~ 13% improvement, I would think.
jonathan Nice. 22:02
pmichaud maybe slightly less, since Rakudo compilation isn't quite as efficient as NQP compilation
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jonathan It does have a slightly harder task to do. ;-) 22:02
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pmichaud I'm improving PAST nodes next. 22:03
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jonathan More optimization? 22:04
pmichaud yes
trivial to do, may result in a significant speed up (more likely a small one)
jonathan True, but the two together maybe give 15% overall. That's not bad!
pmichaud correct, that's what I'm thinking. 22:05
and it's a speedup we all benefit from when doing language development.
so I figured it was worth investing the time today.
it also means I can look at deprecating Capture_PIR 22:07
jonathan Yes, I'll certainly be glad of it. 22:09
Though its a rather see-saw process.
We make it faster...then we add more tests...then we make it faster...then we run more tests... :-) 22:10
So hopefully we'll swallow up the gains soon, by passing lots more tests. ;-)
pmichaud probably.
purl Really? Probably? Are you Certain it's not certain? Are you sure it's unsure? I think you need to look harder.
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GeJ Good morning everyone 22:44
masak GeJ: evenin'
GeJ hej masak 22:45
masak :)
GeJ How are things in Sweden? 22:46
masak dark, chilly and moist. 22:47
GeJ bright, hot and dry for me. But that's probably because I'm on the other side of the planet. 22:48
masak might be, yes. :)
where exactly are you? 22:49
GeJ New Caledonia. A small island in the vicinity of Australia. 22:50
masak cool!
no wonder you always come in here saying 'good morning' when I'm about to go to bed :)
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bacek pmichaud++ # My tests speeds up from 55 to 43 seconds! 23:11
self-- # ...but still failing... 23:12
moritz I get some failures in t/op/calling.t 23:25
are they worth reporting?
pmichaud I get them also. 23:28
I think it's due to some imcc changes earlier.
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pmichaud I suspect r33559 broke it 23:30
the log says it removes the '.param pmc "a" => a' syntax, but they're still in the tests.
jonathan Ah.
Was that syntax deprecated already? 23:31
pmichaud yes, I think so.
jonathan OK, so it should just be a case of ripping out the tests.
pmichaud ...although it doesn't say anything about it in DEPRECATED
so... I dunno
also RT #57410 23:32
moritz oh, and t/spec/S05-transliteration/with-closure.t fails 23:33
Method 'ord' not found for invocant of class 'PGE;Match'
pmichaud okay. that might be due to some of the changes I made today. 23:34
Limbic_Region pmichaud - are you still doing prep work for prelude or has work in prelude begun?
pmichaud still doing prep work
we have inline PIR working now, so we're getting close
just need to update parameter handling, I think.
Limbic_Region right, I read that 23:35
pmichaud and reorganize the src/ directory. 23:37
Limbic_Region what is the preferred target for testing parrot these days?
pmichaud you mean as in os/platform?
Limbic_Region no, make test 23:38
make fulltest
etc
moritz 'make spectest'
Limbic_Region not rakudo
parrot
pmichaud for parrot, 'make test' or 'make test codetest'
moritz oh
pmichaud for rakudo, 'make spectest'
moritz should really go to bed now
Limbic_Region sleep well moritz
pmichaud switching PAST to use Capture instead of Capture_PIR gives us another 7.5% speedup 23:40
jonathan Wow.
Almost 20% total speedup.
pmichaud yes, about 19.6% total 23:41
I'm also running a test on the rx.t spectest, since it heavily uses PGE and Rakudo compilation
...except Test.pm isn't compiling at the moment 23:42
Limbic_Region ok, so it has been a while since I have ran make test for parrot 23:46
and it is failing
purl paste
purl rumour has it paste is (see: nopaste) or like glue but a little safer to sniff. or nopaste.snit.ch:8001/ or scsys.co.uk:8001/ anywhere shadowpaste is or mmm, sticky paste or You there! Eating the paste. or <see> 2 girls, 1 paste
nopaste "Limbic_Region" at 98.231.130.59 pasted "make test on Win32/MinGW - just svn up'd" (997 lines) at nopaste.snit.ch/14842 23:47
Limbic_Region is that anything to be concerned about?
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