Parrot 2.0.0 "Inevitable" released! | parrot.org | Priorities: deprecated core PMCs and VTABLE entries | Roadmap: icanhaz.com/parrotroadmap | Latest modified TT's: icanhaz.com/parrotbugs
Set by moderator on 26 January 2010.
Whiteknight ash_: yes 00:06
cotto_work, of course not. I would like to see her speak in front of a room full of parrot and perl people 00:08
dalek parrot: 5f7bb98 | (David E. Wheeler)++ | (9 files):
Update installer to use pgxs.

  * Moved the test from `t/test/sql` to `t/sql/test.sql` and added a symlink from `sql` to `t/sql`. This is because `pg_regress` is hard-coded to look for test scripts in `sql`.
  * Added `expected/test.out`. This is for `pg_regress` to compare test results.
  * Added `test` target using `pg_prove`. You need to install pgTAP to get pg_prove. I'll look at embedding it here soon. Either way, you'll need a recent Test::Harness to use it. It's best to use it for development, though.
  * Replace `HOWTO` with `README.plparrot`. It's copied from the first 100 lines or so of pgTAP's `README.pgtap`, and contains build instructions with and without pgxs, as well as testing instructions.
  * Added `plparrot.sql.in`. This is the script that can be used to install PL/Parrot. Inserting into `pg_pltemplate` does not appear to be the supported way to add a non-core PL.		 00:11
theory That bot sure is noisy.
chromatic In theory, we could quiet it down. 00:13
theory I could poop it out!
cotto_work completely misparsed that. 00:15
chromatic Don't be so sure.
cotto_work hopes he completely misparsed that. 00:16
theory lol
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Whiteknight talk about pooping? I didn't know we were on efnet or #perl 00:29
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cotto_work Nah. We're just talking about exhaustion and language processing. 00:37
Coke do we have any xml parsers? 01:33
need to be able to parse: svn.cfeclipse.org/org.cfeclipse.cfm...ry/cf8.xml 01:34
bacek_at_work Coke, fperrad do have xml parser 01:49
github.com/fperrad/xml 01:50
Whiteknight, any luck with gc_encapsulate?
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Whiteknight bacek_at_work, no luck. I haven't had a lot of time 01:50
bacek_at_work Whiteknight, no worries. 01:51
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dalek parrot: 38f8108 | (Joshua Tolley)++ | libsrc/handler/.placeholder:
Add libsrc/handler directory so the new Makefile stuff works
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cotto hio chromatic 07:03
chromatic evening 07:04
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cotto In what way is "pbc_merge -o out.pbc a.pbc b.pbc c.pbc" different from compiling out.pir, which includes a.pir, et al, directly? 07:13
chromatic There should be no difference.
cotto That's what I thought. lemme nopaste something that breaks pct 07:14
nopaste "cotto" at 96.26.227.153 pasted "attempt to break up pct makefile dependencies, breaks pct" (48 lines) at nopaste.snit.ch/19397 07:15
chromatic I'm not saying that pbc_merge works correctly. 07:16
cotto Are you confident enough in that diff that you suspect the problem lies in pbc_merge? 07:17
(I don't see any reason why not, but many eyes ...)
It does have some tests but they're all on small bits of code. 07:21
chromatic Does pbc_merge need to work on $(LIBRARY_DIR)/PCT/HLLCompiler.pbc too? 07:24
Hm, maybe not. I'm misreading. 07:25
Nothing in the Makefile looks wrong to me. 07:26
I think it's pbc_merge.
cotto ok. I'll play with it on that assumption. 07:27
dalek rrot: r43632 | cotto++ | trunk (2 files):
[build] change PBCMERGE to PBC_MERGE for naming consistency
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TT #1419 created by cotto++: pbc_merge doesn't correctly merge 07:35
cotto I want to hack at that some more, but I really need to sleep. 07:36
night
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dalek rrot: r43633 | bacek++ | failed to fetch changeset:
Sync branch with trunk
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moritz 09:41
treed ?
moritz sorry, paste failure
treed Heh.
bacek suspect some conspiracy 09:44
moritz bacek_at_work: that's always a good guess 09:45
bacek clock? 09:46
purl bacek: LAX: Thu 1:46am PST / CHI: Thu 3:46am CST / NYC: Thu 4:46am EST / LON: Thu 9:46am GMT / BER: Thu 10:46am CET / IND: Thu 3:16pm IST / TOK: Thu 6:46pm JST / SYD: Thu 8:46pm EST /
bacek at_work???
NO WAY!
moritz wonders why his tab completion picked bacek_at_work over bacek
bacek moritz, MATRIX HAS YOU! 09:48
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Coke pbc_merge might be meant to be the same, but it's a completely different way to get a similar effect. 12:49
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dalek TT #1420 created by masak++: Failed assertion when running 240th test in 01-regex.t in GGE 13:01
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dalek TT #1412 closed by jkeenan++: Remove 'running-make-test' 13:18
TT #1372 closed by jkeenan++: Change usages of 'Getopt::Obj' to ['Getopt';'Obj']
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Coke -> offline 13:43
dalek rrot: r43634 | coke++ | trunk/DEPRECATED.pod:
getopt has already been updated.

functioning code, they aren't part of the standard library or API.
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mikehh All tests PASS (pre/post-config, make corevm/make coretest, smoke (#31970), fulltest) at r43633 - Ubuntu 9.10 i386 (g++ with --optimize) 13:59
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plobsing is there a reason F[^P]A won't let me allocate a zero length array? 14:22
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mikehh All tests PASS (pre/post-config, make corevm/make coretest, smoke (#31975), fulltest) at r43634 - Ubuntu 9.10 amd64 (g++ with --optimize) 14:31
whiteknight plobsing: what do you mean? 14:35
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plobsing whiteknight: $P0 = new ['FixedIntegerArray'] <newln> $P0 = $I0 14:57
where $I0 is non-negative (but not always non-zero) 14:58
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NotFound plobsing: looking at the code, the reason seems to be that zero is used to indicate that it hasn't be sized yet. 15:19
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plobsing NotFound: would it be reasonable to change them to use a flag to indicate that? 16:27
NotFound plobsing: there is some good reason to justify that change? 16:29
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NotFound The current way has the virtue of simplicity, I don't think people like to change that without a good reason. 16:30
plobsing laziness - why check that I have zero elements to put in the array?
consistency - FPA allows this
NotFound Mmmm... FPA just ignore it. 16:32
if (!size) \\n return;
plobsing yes. allow/ignore is the same for me in that it doesn't die when I try to do it 16:33
NotFound plobsing: but that is different of setting a fixed size of 0. 16:34
plobsing understood, and I would like be able to permanently set the size to 0, but ignoring is good enough for my current objectives 16:35
NotFound plobsing: I'll better open a RFC ticket about it. 16:36
In order to have some sort of documented rationale, at least. 16:37
dalek rrot-plumage: cb3d38b | japhb++ | metadata/pynie.json:
[METADATA] Added pynie.json, fperrad++
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parrot: 55b195e | dukeleto++ | HACKING:
Add a HACKING doc that goes over git workflow
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dalek TT #1421 created by plobsing++: [RFC] zero length FxA behaviour 17:41
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Tene wagle: A while back, leto said that you wanted to talk with me about scheme on Parrot. afaik, that never happened. 18:17
wagle Tene.. i wrote a parser in haskell tuesday evening, and i'm currently pondering a similar session in a day or two for the backend (scheme -> pir for a factorial function).. when I have that going, i'll want to improve it, and then have questions 18:21
i think i know what code to generate, just have to generate it 18:22
Tene Okay, great. You know where to find me. :)
I'm glad to answer any questions.
wagle heh.. sure.. thanks!
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coke 22:30
Whiteknight hello 22:33
cotto_work hello 22:34
It looks like pbc_merge naively concatenates the const tables from the pbc files it merges. Is it possible/likey that the problem in TT #1419 occurs as a consequence of that behavior? 22:56
NotFound cotto_work: I guess yes 22:59
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cotto_work I can see why the current code took the lazy route. 23:05
This is definitely suspicious. The merged pbc has two otherwise identical constants with the value of "language", which is the method name that parrot complains about not seeing. 23:07
Coke I got a 1928 2-dollar bill from the bank today. 23:09
whee!
cotto_work That'll bring in more than $2.
Coke cotto_work: when partcl originally adopted pbc_merge, we were warned that it wasn't 100%. 23:10
cotto_work Is it still even legal tender?
Coke (we don't even use it anymore, I don't think.)
cotto_work and so it isn't
I don't mind hacking on it.
Coke it /should/ be, though, so ... thanks!
cotto_work and no, we don't currently use it.
Coke and yes, I think this bill is still legal tender. the wording is slightly different on that note than on the '76 $2 I have next to it. and it has red ink. and says "will pay to the bearer on demand". 23:11
Tene I've seen and used $2 bills plenty of times. 23:13
cotto_work Sure, but one from 1928 would be unusual. 23:14
Tene Yeah.
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