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Parrot 4.0.0 "Hyperstasis" | parrot.org | Log: irclog.perlgeek.de/parrot | #parrotsketch meeting Tuesday 19:30 UTC Set by moderator on 12 February 2012. |
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| dalek | kudo/nom: d43594e | moritz++ | src/core/Backtrace.pm: stop special-casing the setting in the bt printer |
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| moritz | I'm trying to build parrot on windows, and get "Compilation failed with 'cl'" | 10:58 | |
| how do I find out what's wrong? | 10:59 | ||
| ah, verbose | 11:00 | ||
| eeks, somehow it's a platform conflict | |||
| and the German error message sucks | |||
| JimmyZ | the bad thing to me is that I can't build dyncall, 'as dyncall_call.S' outputs nothing | 11:01 | |
| moritz | it tries to link for x64, but somehow the linker doesn't like that (?) | 11:02 | |
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| Coke | moritz: are you using jnthn's toolchain? | 12:31 | |
| last time I tried (months ago), worked fine on win32 with the free msvc. | |||
| I don't have a 64-bit platform, though. | |||
| moritz | Coke: well, I have a 64 bit visual studio, but it seems the compiler only wants to target 32bit | 12:35 | |
| I'll need to talk to the admin if that can be fixed | |||
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| ligne | #join #rt | 12:55 | |
| um. oops? | |||
| moritz | ligne: try /join #rt | ||
| ligne | moritz> thanks, that's what i was aiming for. but it seems my fat fingers disagree :-) | 12:56 | |
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| benabik | o/ #parrot | 13:36 | |
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| user | Hi all! | 14:27 | |
| benabik | Greetings, user | 14:28 | |
| user | Does anyone know is parrot is ready for prod using ? | ||
| PerlJam | user: what does that mean exactly? | 14:29 | |
| user | for production use | ||
| PerlJam | user: right. What does "production use" mean? | ||
| user | sorry for bad english | ||
| PerlJam | user: I ask because everyone has different ideas | ||
| user | Is it a right way if I initiate developing web project using parrot vm now ? | 14:30 | |
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| user | Is vm ready for using ? | 14:30 | |
| or only for learning yet | |||
| PerlJam | user: I hope it's redy for using since, at the very least, the Parrot project itself is using it for various things :-) | 14:31 | |
| masak | it's ready for use. | ||
| it's not entirely free of bugs. | 14:32 | ||
| PerlJam | masak: like any software is | ||
| (Well ... maybe TeX ;) | |||
| user | You mean that internal structures and interfaces is ready and will not change in future ? | 14:33 | |
| than what mean major release number of vm ? | |||
| masak | I'm pretty certain interfaces and internal structures will change in the future. | ||
| user | under internal structures I mean "low-level" (PASM) interface | 14:34 | |
| PerlJam | user: everything is subject to change, but it's controlled change. | ||
| user | where if parrot bugtracker ? | ||
| masak | always when people come in asking for "production ready" or "stable", I can't help thinking that they're really asking for something slightly different. some kind of security, and assurance that their efforts learning to use the system will not be wasted. | ||
| user | where is* | ||
| masak | or that their programs will not break too much. | 14:35 | |
| the "production ready" label is something quite fuzzy, and IMO something a piece of software deserves after a number of production users have already deployed it successfully. | |||
| PerlJam | user: github.com/parrot/parrot/issues | ||
| user | We are developers and know well what differences between stable and dev releases (I hope) | 14:36 | |
| PerlJam: thanks | |||
| well | 14:37 | ||
| thanks for help, guys | |||
| PerlJam | user: ultimately I think the question "Is X production ready?" is something that individuals have to answer for themselves. | ||
| Even self-declared "production ready" systems may not really be an edifice to build upon | |||
| user | And what about parrot speed tests ? | 14:39 | |
| PerlJam | personally, I don't think that I'd use Parrot for a web project, but I might use a language like Perl 6 or Winxed (which rely on parrot) for a web project. | 14:40 | |
| user | nice, now I know bugtracker and can track current states | 14:43 | |
| thanks | |||
| bb all | |||
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| cotto | ~~ | 19:04 | |
| Util | o/ | 19:15 | |
| benabik | o/ cotto, Util | 19:16 | |
| Util | Hi! | 19:17 | |
| #ps in 13m | |||
| dukeleto waves | 19:20 | ||
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| Coke | trac's SSL cert is expired. | 19:51 | |
| I was just reminded to regen: trac.parrot.org/parrot/wiki/ParrotFaces | 19:54 | ||
| (though I wonder if it should be trolling git commits in addition to CREDITS) | 19:55 | ||
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| dalek | kudo/nom: d4d4a21 | jnthn++ | src/Perl6/Metamodel/Mixins.pm: Fix but True / but False. |
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| dukeleto | Coke: can we port parrotfaces to github? | 20:38 | |
| Coke: it is an important part of our infrastructure :) I kid not. | 20:39 | ||
| Coke | dukeleto: I suppose - all the faces.pl script does is output the links in trac wiki format. | 20:40 | |
| doing so in something github is aware of should be a simple tweak. | |||
| (making it dynamic is harder) | |||
| feel free to assign me a ticket. | 20:41 | ||
| dukeleto | Coke: github.com/parrot/parrot/issues/716 | 20:42 | |
| whoa! www.gitmetrics.com/parrot/parrot | 20:43 | ||
| aloha | (parrot/parrot) Issues opened : 716 (Make parrotfaces script generate Github-friendly format) by leto : github.com/parrot/parrot/issues/716 | 20:45 | |
| dukeleto | aloha++ | 20:46 | |
| aloha | dukeleto: 1 (thanks!) | ||
| benabik | ? | ||
| karma aloha | |||
| aloha | aloha has karma of -67. | ||
| dukeleto | lulz | ||
| Coke | ah. www.gitmetrics.com/repos/342/users , I'm done. ;) | 20:50 | |
| (not quite the same, but close enough! ;) | |||
| I am bemused that on www.gitmetrics.com/partcl/partcl I am 3 of the top 5 committers. ;) | 20:51 | ||
| dukeleto | hilarious | 20:57 | |
| cotto | Coke: congratulations to all three of you. | 20:59 | |
| dalek | p/bs: 1cb59b4 | jnthn++ | / (2 files): Sketch out NQPRoutine and NQPSignature, which we'll migrate towards in place of a couple of PMCs. This will ease serialization, eliminate two PMCs and also eliminate our use of :instanceof. Hopefully... |
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| p/bs: 52e0e73 | jnthn++ | / (6 files): Move NQP's multi-dispatcher out of the 6model folder; it's not a core part of 6model. |
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| p/bs: 37c6c88 | jnthn++ | / (2 files): NQPRoutine needs to delegate invocation in order to serve as a code object. |
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| p/bs: 22467fe | jnthn++ | src/guts/multi_dispatch.h: Sketch out C struct mappings for NQPRoutine and NQPSignature. |
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| dukeleto | lucian: wazzup | 21:10 | |
| lucian | hi. trying to write a gc in python | ||
| dukeleto | lucian: glad to know you still enjoy -Ofun :) | 21:11 | |
| lucian | i've been busy with my crappy job for the past few months | 21:12 | |
| i want to still learn things, though | 21:13 | ||
| until a couple of weeks i'd never written hashtables, red-black trees, parallel mergesorts, etc :) | |||
| dukeleto: how about you? | 21:15 | ||
| dukeleto | lucian: subversively coding in ruby, presently. Just another day :) | 21:18 | |
| lucian | :) | 21:22 | |
| dukeleto: i've also been looking at rust | 21:23 | ||
| dalek | rrot: d686c33 | coke++ | tools/dev/faces.pl: Generate github markdown syntax instead. Fixes #716 |
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| Coke | dukeleto: github.com/parrot/parrot/wiki/Parrot-Faces | 21:35 | |
| feel free to kill the old one at your leisure, and/or redirect to the new one. | |||
| aloha | (parrot/parrot) Issues closed : 716 (Make parrotfaces script generate Github-friendly format) by leto : github.com/parrot/parrot/issues/716 | 21:36 | |
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| dukeleto | Coke: git.io/parrotfaces :) | 21:38 | |
| benabik | dukeleto: https doesn't seem to work | 21:39 | |
| Coke | dukeleto: that failed, needed http, not https. | 21:40 | |
| too slow. | |||
| dalek | p/bs: 52c1b2b | jnthn++ | src/NQP/ (3 files): Big refactor of block and symbol handling in NQP. This more fully shuffles it into NQP::World, matching the factoring that's worked out so nicely in Rakudo. It'll also make the upcoming multi refactoring much easier. |
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| travis-ci | [travis-ci] parrot/parrot#64 (master - d686c33 : coke): The build passed. | 21:57 | |
| [travis-ci] Change view : github.com/parrot/parrot/compare/a......d686c33 | |||
| [travis-ci] Build details : travis-ci.org/parrot/parrot/builds/678492 | |||
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| dalek | p/bs: 0fad218 | jnthn++ | src/ops/nqp.ops: Add an op for setting the signature as a single object. |
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| p/bs: e7be6cc | jnthn++ | src/guts/multi_dispatch.h: Fix typo. |
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| p/bs: 18f17e9 | jnthn++ | src/ops/nqp.ops: Oops, can't remove this yet - gotta go round the bootstrap loop. |
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| p/bs: 78fb2c3 | jnthn++ | src/guts/multi_dispatch.c: Get multi dispatcher to recognize both new and old way of doing the signature for a moment. |
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| p/bs: bfadf52 | jnthn++ | src/NQP/ (2 files): Switch to using the new signature objects. |
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| p/bs: 1ac3f88 | jnthn++ | src/guts/multi_dispatch.c: Quick tweak and...the new signature objects work. |
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| p/bs: 33fc4d2 | jnthn++ | src/stage0/ (6 files): Update bootstrap. |
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| p/bs: 7c8a11c | jnthn++ | / (4 files): Rip out the NQPMultiSig PMC; we don't need it any more. |
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| whiteknight | good evening, #parrot | 23:36 | |
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| bacek_at_work | ~~ | 23:48 | |