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kid51 kid51's report 03:00
DONE
* Cage cleaning led to closing (by myself or others) of these tickets: TT #515; TT #956; TT #1083; TT #1085.
** DrForr++ for removing remaining old Parrot releases from CPAN.
* Attended YAPC: Parrot/Perl 6 BOF; talks by cotto, dukeleto, colomon; part of hackathon.
* Conferred with whiteknight re both PaFo and project issues
* Code review and debugging of Makefile dependencies in soh_cah_toa's hbdb branch. 03:01
DOING
* Took/opened these tickets, on which I welcome feedback:
** TT #920: parrotbug should provide more guidance when it finishes
** TT #1047: pf_items assumes sizeof(INTVAL) == sizeof(opcode_t): for application after 3.6
** TT # 2143: examples/benchmarks/overload.pl: Can we remove this file?
* Mentally preparing for 3.6 release on Tue Jul 19.
* Proposal for presentation at FOSSCON, Philadelphia, Sat Jul 23 accepted and under development.
* Follow-up on PaFo issues with particle.
EOR
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whiteknight There is about a 50% chance I will be able to attend the #parrotsketch meeting today. 11:50
WHAT I DID
* Rosella String and Path libraries are now stable
* Been working on a new text templating library, will publish a blog post about it soon
* Working on the whiteknight/packfilewrapper branch. I'm 99% of the way to being mergable, just need more tests
* Getting other people to look at that branch, especially the new PackfileView PMC would be awesome. Test reports appreciated!
* Talking with kid51 on the phone, Trying to keep up with all the things he wants me to do :)
* Looking at some profiling data again, and following along with Rakudo/nom progress to get some optimization ideas
WHAT I WILL DO:
* Finish getting whiteknight/packfileview mergable. If it can't go in before the release, I would like it to go in shortly thereafter.
* Have a few deprecation items I would like to discuss and get in before 3.6. Will discuss them in #parrot if I can't be at #ps today.
* Going to start looking at 6model again in more depth.
* Will talk profiling with cotto.
* GSoC midterm evaluations coming up soon, will send out an email about that
EOR
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NotFound What I did: 19:05
-parrot
* Added rule pir_winxed to distutils
-winxed
* Testing include branch, not ready yet.
What I will do:
No plan
EOR
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soh_cah_toa REPORT 20:03
Done:
* Got build down to 3 warnings (though just 1 type)
* Finished (for now) test framework
* Made my first Perl 6 module Digest::SHA256 :)
* Blogged
Todo: 20:04
* Merge into master to re-sync once 0 build warnings
* Frob Parrot::Test::HBDB a little bit
* Continue breakpoints
* Look into 'list' command
* Blog
EOR
Util # Done:
* Attended YAPC::NA, including Parrot&Perl6 BOF, Hackathon, and 3 meals with P&P6 members.
= Missed last #parrotsketch meeting :(
* Discussed (face-to-face at BOF) the Python Virtual Machine Summit that I attended months ago.
= which I am very overdue to blog about
* Taught soh_cah_toa about Parrot's bootstrap sequence.
= Over the past several months, I have though much on our bootstrap, but said nothing.
* Perl 6 work in Niecza, Rakudo, and RosettaCode.
# Plan to do:
* Post blog entry about VM Summit.
* Document the bootstrap complexities.
# Blockers:
* Independence Day festivities :) 20:05
* $WORK
.end
bubaflub DID: 20:06
GSOC work -
* found a few functions that i didn't cover, covered them
* started vtable overrides, lots of tests for those
* added distutils setup.pir / setup.winxed and got that to install
WILL DO:
* finish vtable overrides
* add more docs and examples 20:07
BLOCKERS:
* life
.EOR
tcurtis DID:
* Realized after considerable confusion about adding the lookback states that I had been doing the lookback
set building wrongly.
WILL DO:
* Finish blog post.
* Finish lookback stuff.
* Push the stuff I've been working on.
* Comments/tests.
* Write a DPDA interpreter.
EOR
cotto_work *did: 20:15
- M0 progress:
-- realized that I don't have the energy to write another calling conventions example in M0
-- more thinking, talking and bikeshedding about the M0 Overlay LangaugE "mole"
-- managed to get some folks interest in mole's design
-- hijacked lucian's full repo clone of my gist for further work
- profiling
-- wrote up incoherent ramblings for whiteknight (public gist, probably not of general interest)
-- will discuss things with him when he has time, preferably next day or two
- put out first edition of Parrot Weekly News
-- reparrot.blogspot.com/2011/07/parro...-2011.html
-- trying to create a baseline source of Parrot information for anyone working on or looking at Parrot
-- If you see something intresting happening, say "PWN" so I don't miss it while acking irclog
-- suggestions (and guest articles) welcome!
*todo
- more mole and M0 thinking, moving more toward mole
*eor
q1q
Util cotto_work++ # Parrot Weekly News 20:17
Coke cotto++ # PWNed. This is an easy way to burn out, be careful. ;) 20:21
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cotto_work Coke: thanks. I'll look for ways to delegate and watch for signs of burnout. 20:22
benabik DID: 20:27
- Met Parrots and Zebras at YAPC::NA
- Drove a lot (4 days of driving!)
- Catalogued PAST, POST, and newPOST
- Wrote half a blog post on PAST/POST/newPOST
WILL DO:
- Finish blog
- Start getting PAST::Compiler to output newPOST 20:28
BLOCKERS:
- Lost over a week to YAPC and associated travel.
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cotto_work hello 20:30
bubaflub hello 20:31
NotFound Hola
kid51 q1q
benabik Addendum: #phasers appears to have been quick this week. Rakudo nom is moving quickly, but only thing referring to parrot I saw was that pmichaud is apparently planning more PAST work wrt labels & next/last/redo
soh_cah_toa howdy 20:32
benabik hi
cotto_work benabik: thanks
Util Hello
cotto_work How'd last week go?
kid51 We have a slight reduction in the total number of open Trac tickets. 20:33
518 or 520 down to 514 the way I count (report #10)
cotto_work Thanks for driving that. 20:34
kid51 Most commits appear to have been in branches
Util By my count, 12 closed, 5 new, 2 reopened
benabik I'm having a little bit of a problem getting back into the routine after YAPC, but having the holiday over should help with that.
kid51 We actually had more activity (as measured by #parrot) than I would have expected over July 4 weekend 20:35
cotto_work surprisingly involved discussion about mole 20:36
Thanks for NotFound++ for taking over last week's #ps. 20:38
are there any other comments before we move to questions?
NotFound A pleasure
cotto_work I don't see any questions queued before me, so I'll go first. 20:40
Now that the disruption from OS Bridge and YAPC::NA is done, I'd like to move #ps forward by one hour. Thoughts?
soh_cah_toa i wouldn't be affected by it. for now, at least 20:41
cotto_work bah. mean back 20:42
"one hour later" is the gist
NotFound No problem for me.
Either way.
kid51 "One hour later" is worse for me.
Util OK with me. 20:43
kid51 As that would be the time when (8 months of year) I'm commuting home.
cotto_work kid51: would one hour earlier be better?
kid51 No better, no worse. but if, on year-round basis, that would get whiteknight to participate, then it would be better. 20:44
cotto_work My hope was to avoid whiteknight having to leave after an hour, but having him for most of the meeting will be better than none.
kid51 Well, we shouldn't allow our meetings to run more than an hour in any case (IMO) 20:45
cotto_work kid51: I agree in principle. Those few that go long are sometimes valuable though. 20:46
Coke I know we've traditionally done IRC, should also consider there are other options, like phone (which you can while in transit) 20:47
cotto_work I couldn't do that at $dayjob.
it'd also be much more limiting
(though faster) 20:48
NotFound Phone while driving is risky.
cotto_work not ideal for a technical meeting
I definitely prefer to do irc while driving.
Util Bus numbers!
cotto_work (no, not really ;) 20:49
Util I mean, "bus number" becomes the literal "number of the bus that you colide with from not paying attention" 20:50
NotFound Is even illegal in some countries.
Like mine.
cotto_work We don't want people getting themselves pulled over for participating in #ps.
It sounds like the best option is to make #ps one hour earlier. 20:51
objections? 20:52
NotFound (not that much people here worries about such laws, but still)
Util Also works for me. If #phasers goes past 30 minutes, benabik and I will just be splitting our attention between it and #parrotsketch.
cotto_work me too
I've started lurking there
NotFound Util: you can use irc for one and phone for the other while driving and solving a rubik cube. 20:53
cotto_work I'll send off a post to parrot-dev and parrot-users.
Util wonders how text-to-speech would cope with either IRC meeting.
cotto_work Util: you can simulate it by reading everyone's responses in a robot voice.
kid51: do you still have your question? 20:54
kid51 Yes.
cotto_work go ahead
kid51 Essentially, I just want to ask people to look at these Trac tickets and provide feedback: 20:55
TT #920
TT #1047
TT #2143
fuller descriptions in my pre-post above.
EOQ
No particular need to get that feedback here and now; please post in tickets. Thanks. 20:56
cotto_work does this channel not have a topic or is it just my client? 20:57
Coke cotto_work: just you. 20:58
NotFound It has for me.
cotto_work Can someone update the time?
Util say /topic to see it without changing it
cotto_work * #parrotsketch :No topic is set.
sigh
benabik Util: That's hazardous advice. Some clients will set it to a null topic, IIRC. 20:59
Util benabik: thanks.
Chaning time...
moderator Meeting time moved 1 hour earlier ! | Priorities for this week: Not yet set | Post closed tickets in your report. | Note: This channel is for our Tuesday status meetings (at 19:30 UTC); you probably want #parrot instead. | irclog: irclog.perlgeek.de/ 21:01
Util Did that show up for you, cotto_work? 21:01
cotto_work yup
sent 21:07
any other items of business?
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cotto_work If anyone would like the Parrot community to know about something, send me a short (100-300 word) summary of it for the next Parrot Weekly News and I'll be glad to make it known. 21:09
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dukeleto waves 21:10
Util o/
cotto_work Does anyone want to suggest goals for the week? 21:11
The 3.6.0 supported release is coming up in a couple weeks. 21:12
mikehh anything we specifically want to tidy up before then? 21:14
cotto_work I'm not aware of anything. 21:15
kid51 Would it be possible to specify a time for a bug-cleaning hack session this weekend?
NotFound Did we have tests for distutils?
cotto_work kid51: quite possile
*possible
kid51 I suggest that at least as much on general principle as on anything specifically needed before 3.6
Our Roadmap Goals did not require us to do that much in master 21:16
Hence, as release manager, I have no "agenda"
cotto_work NotFound: extremely low coverage. There a ./t/library/distutils.t with <50 lines
kid51 (except to learn how to do a release :-) )
cotto_work 55 lines, rather 21:17
NotFound cotto_work: then a goal can be to figure ways to improve it.
cotto_work NotFound: are you volunteering?
NotFound cotto_work: I've tried, but failed.
cotto_work distutils is a beast 21:18
dukeleto kid51: your agenda is to put out a solid release that doesn't set peoples dogs on fire
NotFound I can't think of a way of testing it without a special build with a install dir set. 21:19
dukeleto cotto_work: has the parrot google calendar time been updated?
cotto_work: for #ps, that is
cotto_work dukeleto: I don't know who has the right bit to do that.
dukeleto does anybody have the rights to modify our google calendar #ps reminder? 21:20
Util dukeleto: looks like will@coleda.com 21:22
dukeleto Util++ 21:24
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cotto_work NotFound: testing distutils is an excellent goal. It's a central part of Parrot that doesn't effectively have any test coverage. If you can't think of a good strategy, take a look at python's distutils. 21:32
I hope it has some kind of tests.
Are there any other suggestions? 21:33
moderator Meeting time moved 1 hour earlier ! | Priorities for this week: Tests for distutils; no dogs on fire | Post closed tickets in your report. | Note: This channel is for our weekly status meetings (Tuesdays at 19:30 UTC); you probably want #parrot instead. | irclog: irclog.perlgeek.de/ 21:37
cotto_work NotFound: it looks like cpython's distutils has a healthy number of tests. 21:39
Let's call it a wrap.
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