Parrotsketch Every Tuesday @ 18:30 UTC | IRC Log at irclog.perlgeek.de/parrotsketch/today
Set by moderator on 18 February 2009.
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cotto I might be late for #ps. Whoever's leading should ignore me until I respond. 15:26
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allison Hi all, who's here so far? 18:31
Util 18:32
cotto is not not here
Infinoid
barney is here
fperrad hello
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davidfetter OH HAI 18:32
Tene HAI
NotFound aloha
chromatic morning
tewk lurks, no report. 18:33
Tene also no report
davidfetter built a couple of .spec files on fedora 10
tested same by building rakudo against same with patch from fperrad 18:34
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allison chromatic: would you like to lead this morning?
Coke Do we have a moderator?
"jinx"
allison :)
chromatic allison?
allison - Finished off the final details of the 1.0 release.
- Built Ubuntu and Debian packages for 1.0.
- Made a Pynie developer release (no public announcement, just for process)
- Basic security sandbox prototype (not committed yet). 18:35
- Merged in load_language branch and deleted it.
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chromatic barney?
barney Eclectus us back again, tests are passing
Removed and readded the Pair PMC
.eor
chromatic Working on recommendations for handling milestone tasks. 18:36
Will start in on moving files into subsystem subdirectories and cleaning up headers.
Thinking about the GC API; have some ideas.
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chromatic Will chase down whatever bugs I acn. 18:36
Coke?
Coke * Behind on TWIP due to illness and 1.0; look for a new issue this week with an unfortunate (but amusing to me!) name change. (I don't think I'll be able to keep up the "week" portion.)
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Coke * Devel::NYTProf 18:36
** (Tim Bunce)++ fixed the profiler so it works on steps in our build
process.
** sadly I see nothing obvious to fix yet.(*)
** (*) except for some unused perl build code I ripped out. 18:37
* codingstd cleanup - did this by hand quite a bit in the past few weeks; Now have an automated smolder report for this, so there will be daily failures if this is left unchecked.
* deprecation police - 31 items still eligible for 1.1
* ticket police
** RT down to 413 tickets.
** Trac up to 228 tickets.
* tcl still broken. Need to examine allison's patches.
* still no macport for 1.0 due to configure/rpath issues.
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chromatic cotto?
tewk I do have a rough draft of a GSoC proposal in google docs "LLVM jitted Parrot"
cotto * started refactoring src/hash.c for increased sanity and rainbows
- deprecated old Parrot_new_INTVAL_hash; new version has lc name and returns Hash*
* switched Hash PMC to ATTRs
* removed PMC_num_val and PMC_int_val2 from include/parrot/pobj.h
* closed/disowned several RT tickets, pinged a few more
* removed the Bound_NCI and Slice PMCs
- had to rip out some code that used Bound_NCI, but it's been there forever with no test coverage
* submitted a patch to fix make cover on Linux, waiting for feedback from non-Linux and non-Darwin
* random fixes from fuzzer results
.eor
q1q
chromatic fperrad? 18:38
fperrad * release : Windows packages at SourceForge
* work on Markdown
* ask chromatic Coverity guidelines
* Lua blocker : RT #59968 ~ TT #472 (segfault when catching an exception from C)
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chromatic GeJ?
Infinoid? 18:39
Infinoid * Some website updates, not a whole lot else.
* Santtu++ reported on #parrot earlier today that a selinux update on FC9 has broken JIT, due to selinux preventing executable heap.
If things go the way it sounds like they will, we should hear a lot more reports of build segfaults from FC9 users in the near future.
* The TT #18 patch would fix this, but has issues of its own. It could use some attention.
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chromatic japhb?
kj? 18:40
kj Unfortunately ENOTIME. Trouble concentrating on $work, so that has highest priority. No report :-(
chromatic moritz?
NotFound? 18:41
NotFound * Working on the debugger, closing some old tickets related to it
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chromatic particle2?
PerlJam?
pmichaud? 18:43
pmichaud * Rakudo now passing 7322 spectests
* Updated documentation and deprecations for the 1.0 release
* Generated Rakudo developer release #15 ("Oslo")
* Otherwise spent time on vacation, answering questions online
* Plan for upcoming week:
** PGE and PCT refactors
** Review new code in Rakudo settings files
** Clean up RT tickets and Rakudo patch queue
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cotto q 1 more q 18:44
chromatic Tene?
tewk? 18:45
tewk Busy with school
Tene gave another presentation
little bit of rakudo work
Web.pm work
Plan to use the load_language opcode in rakudo and friends this week
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tewk sorry for the 2 inadvertent pastes 18:46
I do have a rough draft of a GSoC proposal in google docs "LLVM jitted Parrot"
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chromatic Util? 18:47
Util Tuit deficit.
From last week, only progress on "Win32 - Porting Parrot to MinGW-TDM". Almost ready to add to PLATFORMS.
New, minor: converting t/op/trans.t to pure PIR.
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chromatic Did I miss anyone? 18:48
Question time. cotto?
cotto for allison: In src/hash.c cleanup, I missed parrot_new_pmc_hash when looking for functions which should return Hash*. 18:49
Can an exception to the deprecation policy be made so I can remove this function before the 1.4 release?
(It's marked PARROT_EXPORT, but nothing in Parrot or Rakudo uses it as of r37659.)
allison wasn't the deprecation phrasing pretty general? 18:50
cotto need to check
It was specific enough not to cover that change. 18:51
NotFound cotto: will be nice to check if mod_parrot uses it 18:52
cotto I can see this growing. I'll leave it in and add a deprecation notice. 18:53
next question:
Is there anything a sufficiently motivated person could do to speed up parrot?
allison several things 18:54
chromatic The next concrete step is likely the calling conventions branch.
NotFound Find a way to severely cut the number of places that does conversions between c strings and parrot strings 18:55
cotto NotFound; that happens often?
allison one quick one: Jeff isn't using the StringHandle PMC with the I/O opcodes, so we can revert the changes that made the FileHandle PMC polymorphically substitutable in the opcodes, that'll speed up I/O alot
NotFound cotto: I think so 18:56
cotto I'll look into that.
allison mmd is the other big one
cotto as in profile/optimize or is there something specific about it? 18:57
allison see TT #452 for a conversion task 18:58
(also in DEPRECATED.pod)
NotFound allison: That will not be a severe cut of functionality?
allison NotFound: nope, it'll be exactly the same functionality as currently
NotFound: it'll just be fast for the core types 18:59
(and fall back to the slower MMD for non-core types)
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chromatic If and when that actually lands, we'll have the opportunity to profile and optimize. 19:00
allison indeed
cotto looking forward to it (and willing to help, if it can be parallelized) 19:01
allison there are deeper MMD refactors to do also, but this is a good start
cotto eoq
Util still 1q here 19:03
chromatic Go ahead. 19:04
Util `find_global_slot` and `find_global_table` are only found in pdd06_pasm.pod.
Are these two ops very new, or very old? Deprecated? Never implemented?
allison Util: long since deprecated 19:05
the "find_global_*" pattern was replaced by "get_global_*"
Util Plain `find_global` and `store_global` also deprecated?
allison yes 19:06
Util ncigen still uses them
as well as things once generated by ncigen.
Thx. EOQ 19:07
chromatic Other questions? (Sorry that my network keeps dropping.) 19:09
kj any idea of the number of downloads/checkouts of parrot since last week? 19:12
allison only hits to the download page
kj did it increase?
allison 7,368 19:13
kj oh not too bad
allison we weren't running traffic stats before release day, but I'd say yes
substantially
kj even if 5% downloads...
allison exactly
Util Win32 only: 19:14
sourceforge.net/project/stats/?grou...arrotwin32
Set to 2 month view
Shows a big spike after binary was uploaded and announced 19:15
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Util fperrad++ 19:15
About 1700 Win32 binary downloads since 1.0 release 19:18
kj nice
chromatic Anything else, or shall we call it a week? 19:20
fperrad no, only 658 if "parrotwin32 setup" package
now there are package for each language 19:21
Util thanks, fperrad. I only know to count the "Downloads" column.
particle one thing, we need mentors, and topics for gsoc 19:22
...and students...
allison catching a plane
particle contact me to become a mentor
www.perlfoundation.org/perl5/index....9_projects for ideas
student acceptance period has begun, and ends a week from friday 19:23
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particle i'll send a note to the list 19:27
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kj alright. Seems we're all done here...? 19:30
Util agreed
cotto bye
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kj okido. see you all next week. 19:30
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