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| chromatic | Hello everyone. | 18:30 | |
| particle | hi all | ||
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| DietCoke | hio. | 18:30 | |
| allison | yo | ||
| moritz | hi | ||
| jonathan | 'lo | ||
| jhorwitz | ahoy hoy | ||
| pmichaud | here. | ||
| DietCoke | Anyone interested in chairing today so I can go get a cup of coffee? =-) | ||
| Guess not. I'll go first, then: | 18:31 | ||
| primarily been working on Tcl the past two weeks, trying to cleanup the state of the spec tests, add | 18:32 | ||
| some missing builtins, etc. Cleaning up the infrastructure | |||
| in prep for an eventual switch to PCT. | |||
| (which may never come but cleanup good.) Asked chromatic to investigate speed issues. | 18:33 | ||
| EOR. | |||
| particle | i'll take over, go get your caffiene | ||
| DietCoke | let's again go (except for me) in "hello" order. chromatic? | ||
| chromatic | Not a lot of progress (thanks to work business). | ||
| Gave Andrew some guidance. | |||
| Picked up his :vtable implies self patch and finally made it work. ++ to him for that | 18:34 | ||
| Applied some patches. | |||
| Will work on: | |||
| - Tcl profiling | |||
| - More PMC cleanup (PMC_struct_val can die) | |||
| - pdd25cx merge issues | |||
| - Register allocation (a write up due soon) | |||
| - a writeup of how to help patchmonstering, because the more people who help, the easier it is | |||
| EOF | |||
| particle | oscon was a great success this year. got great feedback and enthusiasm from attendees of the rakudo talk patrick and i gave. | 18:35 | |
| the lightning talks jhorwitz and i gave were a hit, too. | |||
| got a good bit of the mod_parrot configure system refactored. it's working on jhorwitz's machine. need to do a little more work before merging to trunk, then extend to other platforms including windows. | |||
| hackathon was productive: helped ewilhelm and schwern with the rakudo test suite, had good language discussions with pmichaud and timtoady, addressed ugliness in the Pair pmc with chromatic and allison. | |||
| shared enlightening conversation with allison on the journey to seattle. | |||
| met with microsoft open source software lab yesterday (cotto++ for setting it up). they're quite interested in helping parrot foundation out. i'll announce specifics as they're made clear, which i expect to happen before the end of august. | |||
| .end | 18:36 | ||
| allison, what's new? | |||
| allison | - Mostly finished reviewing the PIR PDD in the weekend hackathon, including resolving the questions about flagging string encodings and default string encodings. | ||
| - Working on resolving the final failing language tests in the concurrency branch. | |||
| - Excited to have time for Parrot again. | |||
| EOR | |||
| particle | moritz? | 18:37 | |
| moritz | - business as usual, some fiddling with tests | ||
| - Answered some Perl 6 and rakudo question on perlmonks - we seem to draw | |||
| interest ;-) | |||
| - won't be available in the next two weeks (vacation) | |||
| - in case you haven't noticed, STD.pm now parses 98% of the spec tests. YaY! | |||
| KTHXBYE | |||
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| particle | thanks, moritz. enjoy vacation. what's up, jonathan? | 18:37 | |
| jonathan | * Had a Rakudo day on Saturday (for last week) and one today (for this week) | 18:38 | |
| * Mostly been working on fixing smaller bugs and quirks than doing anything especially big and new | |||
| * will look forward to when we can run spectest_regression faster, since it's more of an overhead when doing little fixes than implementing big stuff | |||
| * Got the basics of class attributes in last time | |||
| * Fixed a couple of Parrot bugs, and also I tracked down a return_pir bug that could obscure getting real messages from exceptions | |||
| * Done some ROADMAP updates today, so it lists things we should work out so as not to have to skip so many tests in spectest_regression | |||
| * Also discussed and thought a good bit about many other things that need doing; now need to turn them into code | |||
| * Looking forward to getting loads of hacking in at YAPC::EU, both during the conference in free moments and a day either side of it | |||
| EOR | |||
| particle | nice work. mod_jhorwitz? | 18:39 | |
| jhorwitz | added API for custom Apache directives in mod_parrot. with this, mod_perl6 now uses 'Perl6ResponseHandler' instead of a combination of Parrot* directives. | ||
| tackled some thread safety issues in preparation for testing on windows | |||
| worked with particle on refactoring mod_parrot's Configure.pl | |||
| fixed some segfaults when using virtual hosts with their own interpreters | |||
| [rakudo] implemented PERL6LIB in 'require' -- trying to merge with recent changes (my working copy is loopy right now) and will commit when i'm done. | 18:40 | ||
| EOR | |||
| particle | ok, pmichaud, you're up. | ||
| pmichaud | Overall: | ||
| * Have had serious ongoing technical issues with computer stability and network connectivity, which severely limited productivity | |||
| PCT: | |||
| * Fixed p6object to eliminate %!metaclass hash | |||
| ** (no more leaked anonymous classes) | |||
| Rakudo: | |||
| * updated sleep() | |||
| * fixed bare $ handling in interpolated strings | |||
| * gave presentations at OSCON | |||
| * reviewed/applied some patches | |||
| EOR | |||
| particle | anyone else? | 18:41 | |
| Tene | Me! | ||
| particle | please proceed. | ||
| Tene | * Lolcode looks up names in the lexical environment at compile time to build a proper AST. | ||
| * Cardinal has class variables. | |||
| * Cardinal gets syntax for assigning to member variables. | |||
| * Fixed an HLL_map issue for slurpy params. | |||
| KTHXBYE | |||
| particle | cotto? Infinoid? japhb? tewk? | 18:42 | |
| Infinoid | not much here, applied some patches from donaldh and rurban, fixed a couple tests and warnings | ||
| held down the fort for all you OSCON folks. :) | 18:43 | ||
| particle | that's much appreciated :) | ||
| moritz queues one remark | |||
| particle | ok, looks like tewk and whiteknight are missing, so no SoC reports :( | ||
| Tene queues a question for jhorwitz | |||
| particle | the end of SoC is near, two weeks until "pencils down" | 18:44 | |
| mentors, remind your students. | |||
| pmichaud queues a remark | |||
| particle | ok, i have a comment as well. moritz? | ||
| moritz | donaldh might be a good candidate for a commit bit, what do you think? | ||
| most of his patches never hit the list though (applied directly from IRC) | 18:45 | ||
| Infinoid | the patches I've seen from him have been quite sane | ||
| particle | i haven't reviewed many, since they're not in my email | ||
| pmichaud | has donaldh sent in a cla? | ||
| moritz | pmichaud: don't think so. should we encourage him? | 18:46 | |
| particle | after a little more socialization, and a cla, i agree that he's a good candidate. | ||
| pmichaud | I haven't reviewed his patches so I have no opinion for/against | ||
| (which basically means I go along with what others think :-) | 18:47 | ||
| moritz | ok, I'll ask him to send a CLA, and then wait and see if more sane patches are forthcomming | ||
| particle | ok, let's encourage him to submit cla, and to use RT for patches | ||
| no rt, no commit bit. | |||
| moritz | which answers my "comment" ;-) | ||
| particle | tene has a question? | ||
| Tene | eh, nm | ||
| particle | moving on, then. pmichaud? | 18:48 | |
| pmichaud | just a remark that I'll continue to have limited connectivity for the next couple of weeks. | ||
| email works better than irc for me for that time | |||
| Tene | What's going on with your connection? | ||
| pmichaud | I had almost zero connectivity at OSCON | ||
| my laptop wouldn't associate with the access points there | 18:49 | ||
| (although it works fine everywhere else) | |||
| this next week we're doing family vacation to remote places | |||
| particle | the hawaiian wifi infrastructure is somewhat lacking | ||
| pmichaud | (yes, hawai'i :-) | ||
| however, I should have occasional cell connectivity (thus email) and the places we're staying all have wifi | 18:50 | ||
| after that I'll be traveling to YAPC::EU | |||
| anyway, that's my remark | |||
| particle | ok, then. email good. | ||
| my comment comes from something chromatic, allison, and i discussed saturday evening | 18:51 | ||
| we should encourage those with few tuits to devote time towards reviewing patches | |||
| or, if not reviewing, at least by applying to local working copy and reporting platform and test results | |||
| pmichaud | "newcomers with few tuits" or "core developers with few tuits"? | 18:52 | |
| particle | either | ||
| pmichaud | okay, so generally you're saying more time needs to be devoted to reviewing patches | ||
| particle | yes, and it's something that *anybody* can do | ||
| you don't have to be an expert | |||
| pmichaud | are there a lot of outstanding patches at the moment? | ||
| Infinoid | oh, is there a deficit of patch monsters? | ||
| particle | well, i certainly have the perception that the work can be spread out further | 18:53 | |
| pmichaud | whenever I've reviewed the rt queue I've found very few patches to be applied | ||
| moritz is happy to test and apply patches if somebody else reviews them | |||
| pmichaud | moritz: I think what particle is requesting is more people to test patches | 18:54 | |
| particle | we have plenty of committers willing to apply patches that have been reviewed | ||
| pmichaud | (but not necessarily apply) | ||
| particle | right | ||
| pmichaud | I just don't know that there are that many patches outstanding. Perhaps I'm looking in the wrong place. | ||
| particle | we need more folks to test the patches on their platforms | ||
| it doesn't matter how many there are at the moment. it's a social thing. | |||
| pmichaud | so, "with few tuits" means "with a few extra tuits"? | 18:55 | |
| particle | if you see one in rt, and have the tuits, apply and report results. "this patch applies cleanly and passes all tests on win32-msvc-9.0" | ||
| i'd like have a document suggesting this to newcomers who ask, "how can i help?" | 18:56 | ||
| pmichaud | okay, my followup question is: "how can I find patches to apply?" | ||
| (I'm not disagreeing with the idea, I'm just trying to understand why this isn't already happening.) | |||
| particle | right. we can include a link to an rt query that finds tix with patches | ||
| Infinoid | hmm. semi-related question: when I review a patch and I have a question or comment (like "gimme a test case"), I usually just find the submitter on IRC and bug them there. is that ok, or should I try to reply in RT instead? | 18:57 | |
| particle | i think coke created one already | ||
| Tene | particle: put that link in the topic in #parrot | ||
| pmichaud | or on the wiki, if it's not already there | ||
| particle | many potential contributors don't use irc | ||
| so i think mailing list/rt is better | |||
| Infinoid: that's up to you. if it sits for a long time, rt comment is better | 18:58 | ||
| it's probably on the wiki, good point. | |||
| anybody want to work on some text for this? | 18:59 | ||
| pmichaud | anyway, I'm in favor of more guides for people looking for things to do, yes. | ||
| I don't know the RT query. | |||
| DietCoke | www.parrotcode.org/openpatches.html | ||
| pmichaud | DietCoke: that only finds tickets with [PATCH] in the subject, yes? | 19:00 | |
| DietCoke | also: www.parrotblog.org/2008/05/700-tick...lenge.html | 19:01 | |
| Infinoid | sounds like another good triaging function is to find new tickets with patches attached, and mark them correctly. | ||
| DietCoke | pmichaud: no, it finds tickets that use the patch field. | ||
| pmichaud | okay, excellent then. | ||
| particle | great. any work in this area will increase your karma. | 19:02 | |
| anything else this week? | |||
| ok, then. thanks all, and see you in the future! | 19:03 | ||
| jhorwitz | Tene: you queued a question? | ||
| DietCoke | chromatic is the geordi to my pakled. | ||
| particle | tene "nevermind"ed his q | 19:04 | |
| jhorwitz | very well. glad i could help. ;-) | ||
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| chromatic | Huh? | 19:07 | |
| moritz | I think somebody adjurned the meeting by private message... ;-) | ||
| in lack of common interest and further topics, shall we formally call it a week? | 19:09 | ||
| chromatic | Agreed. | 19:10 | |
| spinclad | [19:03: * particle adjourns meeting] | ||
| Tene | 13:03 < jhorwitz> Tene: you queued a question? | ||
| ack! | |||
| Tene copies poorly. | |||
| moritz | I missed that | ||
| Tene | 13:03 < particle> ok, then. thanks all, and see you in the future! | ||
| DietCoke | Tene: send it to the list, sorry. | 19:11 | |
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| moritz | bye then, and see you in #parrot ;) | 19:11 | |
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