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| kid51 | kid51's report | 19:38 | |
| * DONE | |||
| ** At bacek's request, opened, implemented, closed trac.parrot.org/parrot/ticket/2089 (llvm) | 19:39 | ||
| ** Working on trac.parrot.org/parrot/ticket/2092 (llvm -- optin or optout?) | 19:40 | ||
| ** Tested on various machines. Reported (and just now closed) trac.parrot.org/parrot/ticket/2091 | 19:42 | ||
| ** Commented on GSOC proposals. | |||
| * WILL DO | |||
| ** Will be making Trac tickets for a number of test failures that I/we have been observing on some boxes but not others. | |||
| EOR | 19:43 | ||
| cotto_work | *did: | 19:54 | |
| -- helped soh_cah_toa get a patch submitted | |||
| -- started a rough outline for my State of Parrot talk at LinuxFestNW | |||
| * M0 roadmap progress: | |||
| -- thinking | |||
| - none | |||
| *eor | |||
| *will do: | 19:55 | ||
| - more M0 dynop prototyping, updating the spec as I go | |||
| *blockers: | |||
| - none | |||
| *eor (for real this time) | |||
| Util | Report: Nothing done. MacBook died; Attempting to re-animate. | 19:57 | |
| 7-day ticket report: | |||
| 3 closed: fixed | |||
| 7 new | |||
| .end | |||
| NotFound | What I did (last week forgot to report, this cover two weeks): | 19:59 | |
| -parrot | |||
| * Testing | |||
| * Minor fixes | |||
| -winxed | |||
| * Several fixes, refactors, and code cleaning. | |||
| * Backwards incompatible change: call constructor in new with empty argument lis | |||
| (not the same as no argument list). | |||
| * New syntax for calling functions with multiple return. | |||
| * New syntax for declaring classes without defining them. | |||
| * Allow multiple declarations in 'using static' statement. | |||
| * Disallowed direct usages of stages >= 1 from command line, | |||
| update the non installable driver to work that way. | |||
| * Allow argument modifiers in stage 0. | |||
| * New statement 'switch without expresion'. | |||
| What I will do: | |||
| No plan | |||
| EOR | |||
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| mikehh | What I did since my last report: | 20:28 | |
| * building and testing parrot on amd64/i386, with gcc/g++ | |||
| * some fixes | |||
| * testing Rakudo and Winxed on latest parrot | |||
| What I intend to do in the next week: | |||
| * testing and fixing | |||
| .eor | |||
| atrodo | .done | 20:30 | |
| * sadly, nothing because of $dayjob deadline | |||
| .todo | |||
| * alorito hacks | |||
| * m0 help if possible | |||
| * isparrotfastyet refactors | |||
| .eor | |||
| allison | Got several new interested contributors to Parrot Debian packaging. Working on spinning that up into a more active Parrot packaging group for Debian. | ||
| cotto_work | any more last-minute reports? | ||
| allison | EOR | ||
| kid51 | Good day/evening. | ||
| Util | Hello | 20:31 | |
| allison | hi | ||
| soh_cah_toa | hello | ||
| cotto_work | hello | ||
| mikehh | hi there | ||
| atrodo | heyo | ||
| cotto_work | How's we do this week? | ||
| GSoC prep seems to be in full swing. | 20:32 | ||
| soh_cah_toa | good | 20:33 | |
| NotFound | Hola | ||
| cotto_work | any thoughts on the past week? | 20:34 | |
| We're one week from 3.3 with whiteknight as the release manager. | |||
| I believe he was planning an rc. | 20:35 | ||
| mikehh | rc? | ||
| cotto_work | release candidate | ||
| kid51 | I believe whiteknight is working on a couple of bugs that showed up after imcc_compreg merge, particularly when run thru rakudo | ||
| We also have a couple of failing tests where we have to decide whether they're really failing or not. | 20:36 | ||
| atrodo | Is rakudo still segfaulting? | ||
| cotto_work | They appear to be triggered with gms, which won't be the default for 3.3 | ||
| kid51 | Other than that, I don't see anything big being merged into master before 3.3 | ||
| cotto_work | (of course, we should still fix them since Rakudo uses gms by default) | ||
| mikehh | rakudo tested ok for me on i386 - I think there are problems with amd64 and without --optimize | 20:37 | |
| kid51 | Does that mean we have to 'switch back' from GC x to GC y this week ? And then switch again after release? | ||
| cotto_work | It also seems to be related to the version of Perl used by Configure.pl | ||
| mikehh | I am using 5.12.3 up to date with CPAN | 20:38 | |
| on Ubuntu 11.04 beta | |||
| (which still has 5.10.1 | 20:39 | ||
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| cotto_work | kid51: we're still on ms2 for default in master | 20:39 | |
| NotFound | What impact can have the version of perl? Default cflags? | ||
| cotto_work | whiteknight and moritz were working on it this morning. I don't know if they found that out. | 20:40 | |
| This isn't a release blocker (unless whiteknight decides otherwise), but it's worthwhile to make it a priority. | 20:42 | ||
| mikehh | I am getting some test failures with t/examples/pod.t because of the chane in behavior of print after the merge | 20:44 | |
| #change | |||
| cotto_work | mikehh: can you file a bug about that? | ||
| mikehh | have done TT #2088 I think | 20:45 | |
| kid51 | whiteknight will have to look at TT #2088; that was one of what I was referring to as "is it a bug or was it wrong before?" | 20:46 | |
| cotto_work | ok | 20:48 | |
| any other thoughts? | |||
| questions? goals for the week? | 20:49 | ||
| mikehh | it seems that print with :immediate and ;postcomp actually outputs, which it did not before (just compiled before) | ||
| kid51 | Goal: Plan for Parrot Developer Summit weekend of Apr 30/May 01. Formulate roadmap goals (or start thinking about them) | ||
| cotto_work | We need to make sure that HLLs get tested well | ||
| kid51: that's the weekend of LinuxFestNW. It might be tricky for dukeleto and me. | 20:50 | ||
| mikehh | review GSOC proposals | ||
| bacek | ~~ | 20:51 | |
| kid51 | cotto_work: We set this schedule in Dec 2010. If we start varying from it we'll never be consistent and PDSes will grow weaker. | 20:52 | |
| cotto_work: Each and every weekend we choose, there will be a conflict for someone. | 20:53 | ||
| allison | kid51: a one week delay to accomodate the schedules of the leads on the architecture and community management teams seems reasonable | 20:55 | |
| kid51: especially since they'll be there putting in a good word for Parrot in a public forum | 20:56 | ||
| kid51 | allison: We had a discussion about this at our PDS in December. | ||
| < 3 weeks before PDS is not a good time to bring up scheduling conflicts | |||
| cotto_work | I would strongly prefer a delay. I suspect that talk prep will take most of my tuits as LinuxFestNW approaches, since it'll be the first time I'll be giving that talk. | 20:57 | |
| allison | LinuxFestNW isn't known for announcing dates early | ||
| cotto_work | I found out I'd be talking a couple weeks ago. | ||
| if that | |||
| allison | but, it is an important forum, gets quite a few significant speakers and attendees from the wider open source world | ||
| cotto_work | Whenever the PDS happens, I'll do my best to be there. I can't promise anything if it's that weekend though. | 20:58 | |
| allison | I can guarantee I won't be there, as I'll be on a flight to Hungary, but I consider cotto and dukeleto more important | 20:59 | |
| cotto_work | kid51: I'll leave this to your discretion. My preference is clear. | 21:01 | |
| In any event, we should start the scheduling process sooner than later to figure out the exact time. | 21:03 | ||
| kid51: do you mind sending out a doodle request in the next few days? | 21:04 | ||
| He must have been called away. Any other questions? | 21:06 | ||
| mikehh | well whiteknight said we should discuss the issues brought up by TT #2088, but he is not here | 21:07 | |
| cotto_work | mikehh: any idea what he wanted to discuss about it? | 21:08 | |
| mikehh | changes in behavior in IMCC afdter the branch merge | 21:09 | |
| after | |||
| print with :immediate and ;postcomp actually outputs, which it did not before (just compiled before) and possibly other issues | 21:11 | ||
| plobsing also mentioned something about that | |||
| plobsing | yeah. imcc did funky stuff before. now it is consistent. | ||
| cotto_work | plobsing: so this is something that should have been failing for a long time but only started after the merge? | 21:12 | |
| mikehh | I am not sure how to handle that change in t/examples/pod.t - it does not expect output from passing stuff to imcc | 21:13 | |
| other than error output | |||
| plobsing | cotto_work: basically, yes. the new behaviour is correct IMHO. | 21:14 | |
| cotto_work | Then it sounds like we should fix the tests. | ||
| mikehh | at the moment the test passes snippets to imcc to check for correctness | ||
| cotto_work | and hilarity results if those snippets output anything | 21:15 | |
| plobsing | so don't print in those snippets. do some math in stead or something. | 21:16 | |
| mikehh | the test loses its sequence (reported in the summary) | ||
| cotto_work | wfm | ||
| That fix is straightforward. Any other questions? | 21:17 | ||
| mikehh | dukeleto needs to look at g++ failures in t/src/extend_vtable.t | 21:18 | |
| I tried a couple of additions - they did not work - need to try more | 21:19 | ||
| benabik | I get failures there using just gcc. (Which I noted on TT#2084) | ||
| cotto_work | any volunteers for TT #2088? | 21:20 | |
| mikehh | yeah - passes gcc --optimize for me, one failure withh gcc, all fail with g++ | ||
| the simplest solution ATM is just to pull the snippet (one of 613 or something) but I will think on it | 21:22 | ||
| cotto_work | mikehh I'm fixing it. | 21:23 | |
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| cotto_work | Here are the goals I have: | 21:24 | |
| GOAL 1: potential release blocker - --optimize --gc=gms segfaults Rakudo (whiteknight, all) | |||
| GOAL 2: HLL testing leading up to the 3.3 release (all) | |||
| GOAL 3: Formulate roadmap goals (team leads) | |||
| GOAL 4: Review GSoC proposals, help students as needed (gsoc mentors) | |||
| GOAL 5: fix g++ failures in extend_vtable tests (dukeleto) | |||
| any additions or other questions? | 21:25 | ||
| soh_cah_toa | sounds good to me | 21:26 | |
| mikehh | we should have a bug-fest etc before the release | 21:27 | |
| cotto_work | mikehh: not a bad idea | ||
| mikehh | usuall on the weekend | ||
| usually | 21:28 | ||
| cotto_work | no reason not to start earlier | ||
| mikehh | of course | ||
| cotto_work | Is there a number of bugs you want to try to close? | 21:29 | |
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| cotto_work | We're at 506 according to trac.parrot.org/parrot/report/1 | 21:30 | |
| mikehh | let's try to get below 500 at least | 21:31 | |
| cotto_work | wfm. We can always go lower. | ||
| GOAL 6: bugfest this weekend - get below 500 open tickets | |||
| Let's call it a wrap. | 21:32 | ||
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