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| Util | # Done: | 13:31 | |
| * Worked with Ingy to update github.com/acmeism/RosettaCodeData . | |||
| * Caught the Flu. | |||
| # Doing: | |||
| * Flu | |||
| .end | |||
| Hello! Who all is in attendance? | |||
| rurban | me | 13:32 | |
| did nothing, just www.reddit.com/r/perl6/comments/2w3...or_parrot/ | |||
| will do nothing for a while, as I am angry and have to fix perl5 | |||
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| Util | rurban: Angry about the suspending? about something in Perl 5? | 13:35 | |
| rurban | Angry about the suspending. - Angry about perl5 also of course, but this goes on for decades. Just an horrible codebase and devs :) | 13:36 | |
| But I'm halfway through with my perl5 plans already, and gave myself 6 months. kinda ahead of schedule | 13:37 | ||
| But until May I'm 100% busy with that | |||
| Util | rurban: I understand your frustration with the suspending. | 13:41 | |
| Thank you for taking the time to engage in the reddit thread, | |||
| and for bringing it to our collective attention here. | |||
| rurban | Thanks | 13:43 | |
| Util | I am hopeful that, when the GLR (+related changes) is nearly finished, | 13:44 | |
| we can do a short burst of "catch-up" refactoring, | |||
| to sync Parrot back up with NQP and Rakudo, | |||
| and resume the use of Parrot as a backend. | |||
| rurban | perl6 needs #889, the hyper op example for nqp. there's a example to work on already. | 13:45 | |
| should be fairly easy to do. I marked it as newbie task | |||
| Util | If you are not yet ready to rejoin the effort at that time, I will totally understand. | ||
| rurban | I'm ready as long as nobody will shut it down in between. But I fear that will happen. | 13:46 | |
| I haven't even got a docs7 repo to put the docs there. admins suck | |||
| big time | |||
| Util | I intend (RSN) to merge all the parrot-docs{$N} repos into a single parrot-docs repo, to eliminate the problem in the future. | 13:50 | |
| IMO, the original decision to divide them by major versions was mage in haste and in error. | |||
| rurban | Agreed, it is stupid | 13:52 | |
| Util | In the mean-time, github.com/parrot/parrot-docs7/ is created. | ||
| rurban | oh, thanks | ||
| btw, gcc-5 has now fast arith_overflow builtins, such as clang3.5. fast promotion on add/sub/mul ints to bigint or double (just a single jo insn) | 13:54 | ||
| Util | Sorry for the delay. | ||
| rurban | did it in p2 and perl5 already. might be useful for parrrot also | ||
| Util | Ooo, shiny! | 13:56 | |
| rurban | gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/Integer...w-Builtins | ||
| Util | I do not see a schedule for official release of 5.0, but it looks like they are getting close. | 13:58 | |
| Chirag | Hi Util, rurban! sorry to barge in but rurban - what suspending are you talking about? | 13:59 | |
| rurban | perl6 has nobody to code parrot parts in perl6 and nqp-p butr announced it as parrot's fault. and they'll drop parrot support | 14:00 | |
| Chirag | wth! | 14:01 | |
| Util | Hi, Chirag! Barge away, no problem! | ||
| rurban | just blaming the others | ||
| Util | Chirag: See pmthium.com/2015/02/suspending-rakudo-parrot/ | ||
| rurban | read the reddit comments | ||
| www.reddit.com/r/perl6/comments/2w3...or_parrot/ | 14:02 | ||
| Util | and especially the reddit URL | ||
| rurban | And I was pretty close to fix the old GC, which is 30% faster | 14:03 | |
| It was also pretty suspicious that pm refused to let his qrpa go | 14:07 | ||
| Util | rurban: I just read it as caution on his part. | 14:11 | |
| Chirag | very disappointing :( | 14:12 | |
| Util | Chirag: If you mean the suspending, then yes, but I do understand their reasoning. | 14:16 | |
| The silver lining for us is that, | |||
| while they work through iterations of refactorings and experiments, | |||
| we do not need to maintain parity. | |||
| We can just implement the final version at the end, | |||
| saving our manpower, but at the cost of the temporary suspending. | |||
| Chirag | so "catch-up" refactoring, when they need Parrot again | ||
| Util | Yes, but less about their "need", and more about their stability. | 14:20 | |
| During their GLR and related changes, there is a much higher cost to keeping Parrot in sync; | |||
| we would significantly slow down their work, when they are trying to get this done for an official Perl6 grand release (See FOSDEM). | 14:21 | ||
| After GLR (et al) is done, the sync cost will resume at its prior level. | |||
| Chirag | hmm.. I understand now | ||
| Util | At that point (or just before, if we can), we catch-up | ||
| In the meantime, there is still work to be done. For example, our Win32 support has somehow drifted, and we don't currently build on *every* Win32 platform. We should, though. | 14:22 | ||
| rurban | they never carted about moar lacking behind. did they announce a moar suspension when they lacked behind? | 14:23 | |
| Util | rurban: No, but the moar lagging did not occur during a grand refactoring. | 14:25 | |
| (Not to be contentious; just acting as Devil's Advocate since the moar team is not present) | 14:27 | ||
| Anything else to discuss? From anyone? | |||
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| Util | OK. Thanks everyone! | 14:30 | |
| Meeting adjourned. | |||
| rurban1 | Yes, I broke win7 with a native msvc perl64, which I do not have. This is a regression | ||
| I only got a strawberry mingw64 perl, which fixed to work with msvc, but this broke msvc perl64 | 14:31 | ||
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