tbrowder and i’ve answered my own question about (my $a) vs. my ($a): scopes are the same (duh), just didn’t recognize it as it was written! 00:05
.ask AlexDaniel can you define a branch of rakudo where the pod slang work can be done so my work can be merged by PR more readily? or should i just do it on my own acc’t in isolation? or? 00:15
Geth nqp/post-release: df45cb8ce9 | (Zoffix Znet)++ | 2 files
Fix crashes with native types in conditionals

Fixes RT#132718: rt.perl.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=132718
When we put together the MAST for if/unless/while/until/repeat_while
  /repeat_until ops, we look up which MVM conditional op to use. The
compiler did not know about non-fullwidth natives, and complained about ... (13 more lines)		 03:29
synopsebot RT#132718 [open]: rt.perl.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=132718 BUG: Unhandled kind 3 with int32 argument
Geth roast/post-release: 63fb5d3a95 | (Zoffix Znet)++ | MISC/bug-coverage.t
Cover crashes with native types in conditionals

RT#132718: rt.perl.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=132718 Rakudo fix: github.com/perl6/nqp/commit/df45cb8ce9
JimmyZ comments on github.com/perl6/nqp/commit/df45cb8ce9 04:58
Geth rakudo/post-release: ec23031d33 | (Zoffix Znet)++ | t/05-messages/02-errors.t
Test detached non-alpha meths give useful error

RT#126856: rt.perl.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=126856		 05:57
synopsebot RT#126856 [new]: rt.perl.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=126856 [LTA] No spaces allowed around .^ and .? (^42 .^methods.say)
Geth rakudo/post-release: d769f0a62e | (Zoffix Znet)++ | t/05-messages/02-errors.t
Minor formatting/line-length adjustments
 06:02
rakudo/post-release: 3745eff13a | (Zoffix Znet)++ | src/Perl6/Actions.nqp
Fix postconstraints in `my (...)` being ignored

Fixes RT#128935: rt.perl.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=128935
We were just forgetting to pass the post-constraint information to the variable making routines.		 08:55
synopsebot RT#128935 [open]: rt.perl.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=128935 [BUG] "where" clauses are parsed, but not enforced, in "my" expressions
Geth roast/post-release: 4ce0fc56db | (Zoffix Znet)++ | S12-subset/subtypes.t
Test postconstraints in `my (...)`

RT#128935: rt.perl.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=128935 Rakudo fix: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/3745eff13a
Tests for %, &, and @ variables are deliberatelly omited until R#1414 is resolved and will be tested with that Issue.		 09:02
synopsebot R#1414 [open]: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/issues/1414 Class attribute constraints applied on elements of array attribute, not the attribute itself
rakudo/post-release: dac1951eca | (Zoffix Znet)++ | t/05-messages/02-errors.t
We got enough tests in this file; start a new one
 09:22
timotimo m: say 4 ** -100 09:35
camelia 6.22301527786114e-61
timotimo ^- this is how likely we get a false prime with the parameter we've selected for is-prime by default 09:36
we might want to drop that number a little bit
m: say 4 ** -50
camelia 7.88860905221012e-31
Geth rakudo/post-release: f3efe5e6b4 | (Zoffix Znet)++ | 2 files
Fix optimizer crashes in map with certain args

Fixes RT#129790: rt.perl.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=129790
Don't assume the arg is a codeblock; check first.		 09:44
synopsebot RT#129790 [open]: rt.perl.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=129790 [OPTIMIZER] Giving a sub to a map fails
Geth nqp: tbrowder++ created pull request #392:
change .markdown file suffix to .md		 11:41
rakudo/post-release: 359efef709 | (Zoffix Znet)++ | src/core/IO/Handle.pm
Don't block IO::Handle.get on TTYs after we reached EOF

Fixes RT#130086: rt.perl.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=130086
We don't block on non-TTYs nor do we block with other method such as .read. While TTYs require an extra read to figure out when they reach EOF, once we know we're at EOF, there's no point trying to read again.		 11:45
synopsebot RT#130086 [new]: rt.perl.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=130086 [BUG] multiple eof-s support on $*IN
AlexDaniel quotable6: ‘.markdown’ 12:16
quotable6 AlexDaniel, OK, working on it! This may take up to three minutes (4482999 messages to process)
AlexDaniel, gist.github.com/eb39d5949aa19e3e88...4915bd8c4e 12:17
AlexDaniel tbrowder: regarding the branch, feel free to do it the way you like. If your CLA arrived already, then you should have a commit bit, and then you can work in a branch of an upstream repo
tbrowder: I see that the supernova project was supposed to work independently for the initial stages, but the long term plan was to move it to guts 12:18
tbrowder roger 12:19
AlexDaniel tbrowder: tbh I know very little about POD and even less so about supernova, so use your own judgement
tbrowder thnx, i’ll try hard to justify yr faith...
AlexDaniel tbrowder: also, I think you shouldn't be expecting this to be merged within v6.c because I'm sure that it will result in a lot of changed behavior 12:20
tbrowder: so the merge will probably happen for the next language version once it's ready. Like v6.e or v6.d it happens that it takes us so much time for v6.d… 12:21
if it*
tbrowder: but yeah, I'm very happy that someone is looking in this direction
tbrowder yep, i expected that. i’m certainly not going to be able to do it anytime soon! 12:22
but actually i think it may be mostly backwardly compatible. 12:26
we have tightened the ascii table requirements almost to hers (more in some cases), and the formatting codes inside tables have just been ignored. 12:28
her new fancy unicode tables will be shocking but definitelya show-off 12:29
stmuk I started this github.com/stmuk/rakudo-packages a few months back which maybe should go in docs/website somewhere 12:39
any idea where though?
psch stmuk: perl6.org/downloads and rakudo.org/how-to-get-rakudo seem most fitting 13:02
although the latter already is quite extensive with instructions...
stmuk both probably have too much information there anyway
psch maybe a link on perl6.org/downloads under the "Installing from binaries" header? 13:04
i.e. "Alternative there are [these](...) community-maintained packages for some GNU/Linux distributions"
stmuk yes that's a good idea
I'll change when I do the R* 2018.01 changes 13:06
[Tux] Rakudo version 2017.12-272-gbfb5279aa - MoarVM version 2017.12.1-36-g20a4a7976
csv-ip5xs1.128 - 1.155
csv-ip5xs-2013.207 - 13.389
csv-parser12.086 - 12.389
csv-test-xs-200.432 - 0.442
test11.061 - 11.508
test-t2.803 - 2.827
test-t --race1.162 - 1.192
test-t-2049.114 - 49.715
test-t-20 --race17.754 - 18.535
 13:17
AlexDaniel releasable6: next 13:18
releasable6 AlexDaniel, Next release in ≈5 hours. Blockers: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/issues?q=...%9A%A0%22. Unknown changelog format
AlexDaniel heh releasable6, you're very optimistic! :) 13:19
psch hrm, hprof unfortunately seems somewhat useless to find the leak for the EvalServer :l 13:28
.tell bartolin spectest looks a bit worse than yours at first glance: gist.github.com/anonymous/30ba5ed2...ac2dfe92e2 13:33
yoleaux psch: I'll pass your message to bartolin.
psch well, minus the passing TODOs maybe
Geth nqp: tbrowder++ created pull request #394:
add new pod tests		 13:46
nqp: f64e981aa9 | (Tom Browder)++ | t/nqp/005-comments.t
add new pod tests

  + test for robust =end for blocks even though misaligned with its =begin
  + test to show current state of failure with nested comment blocks
   that shows parsing of code ends at the first =end comment
   OR an error is thrown in other circumstances		 13:49
nqp: 2f362439ad | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | t/nqp/005-comments.t
Merge pull request #394 from tbrowder/pod-tests

add new pod tests
tbrowder lizmat: thnx!
psch 9 million lines profiling output /o\ 14:10
i suppose i shouldn't have put two of those into vimdiff without checking their size
tbrowder AlexDaniel: i sent the CLA several weeks ago. i tried, through the web interface, to create a rakudo branch, but no recognition of my git user name. i can create a branch in nqp because moritz gave me the perl6 commit bit early on when i was pushing doc PRs. 14:12
psch IIRC my CLA approval took around 6 weeks? 14:13
that's ~4 years ago though
tbrowder btw, what’s the feeling about adding one’s git user name to a branch name? 14:14
psch but github/perl6 isn't bound by the CLA like github/rakudo is i also seem to remember
moritz that's correct
tbrowder ok, how will the rakudo owners know about my CLA? 14:15
is there a list? should i query them directly?
psch i *think* PerlJam did the correspondence in my case? i.e. bugged TPF people about my CLA and then mentioned it here when it had arrived 14:16
tbrowder ok, thnx, i’ll bug TPF then...
AlexDaniel maybe it's a good idea to ping [Coke] first? 14:18
tbrowder: using your username as a branch name is just fine 14:19
although I'd prefer “new-pod” or something like that :)
tbrowder i was thinking something like pod-slang-tbrowder 14:20
psch +1 on feature-named branches
no real idea whether a username adds anything, but it probably also doesn't take anything away 14:21
tbrowder .ask [Coke] can please check on my CLA application? (Thomas M. Browder, Jr.; aka Tom Browder) 14:23
yoleaux tbrowder: I'll pass your message to [Coke].
tbrowder ref branch names: i just see other names as part of branches and it seems to provide a quick ref to who “owns” it (i.e., the guilty party) 14:26
AlexDaniel but it's also possible to look at the last commits so that's hardly a problem 14:29
psch i mean, if tbrowder starts the trend we'll know their branches at a glance at least :)
AlexDaniel :D 14:30
DrForr . o ( CLA application? Something I've missed due to fallout? ) 14:37
psch DrForr: contributors license agreement. pushing directly to the rakudo repo needs a waiver for the artistic license
DrForr: and TPF wants to have that in writing, 'cause legal stuff probably
DrForr Ah. 14:38
psch hm, pretty much everything seems to just straight double on the heap with two vs one EvalServer calls using &run 14:45
i'm not sure that's surprising or to be expected :S
travis-ci Rakudo build passed. Zoffix Znet 'Merge pull request #1423 from W4anD0eR96/patch-1 14:57
travis-ci.org/rakudo/rakudo/builds/331046454 github.com/rakudo/rakudo/compare/9...b5279aa5b1
timotimo huh, nqp has pod? 15:06
Geth nqp/master: 6 commits pushed by pmurias++ 15:07
travis-ci NQP build failed. pmurias 'Add a few tests that grammars match graphemes' 15:26
travis-ci.org/perl6/nqp/builds/331210300 github.com/perl6/nqp/compare/2f362...aedda0b194
Geth nqp: 594dc7abf1 | pmurias++ | t/nqp/031-grammar.t
Fix number of skipped tests
 15:29
psch neat, InvocationTargetException when trying to heap dump :l 15:41
in the heap dump tool too
travis-ci NQP build passed. pmurias 'Fix number of skipped tests' 15:46
travis-ci.org/perl6/nqp/builds/331216163 github.com/perl6/nqp/compare/98aed...4dc7abf16e
Geth rakudo: efed4105da | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | src/core/Buf.pm
Fix stray \

Apparently we don't test assigning to a buf with a native integer index :-( Spotted while playing with sieve of erastothenes.		 16:04
psch heh, we keep 360k P6intInstances around *after* the GlobalContext that we ran the provided code in finished 16:12
though the 150k SixModelObjects probably have more memory impact...
AlexDaniel weird. Every time I run toaster it just feels slower 17:07
timotimo less ram free than last time?
more diverse files in the CUR that makes finding stuff slower? 17:08
AlexDaniel more than 60G RAM free, seems to be bound by the CPU 17:09
or something
I guess I'll just let it crunch with turtle speeds 17:10
Geth nqp: 4d3db7f008 | (Aleks-Daniel Jakimenko-Aleksejev)++ | tools/build/MOAR_REVISION
[MoarVM Bump] Brings 25 commits

MoarVM bump brought: github.com/MoarVM/MoarVM/compare/2...g85b2c5f82 85b2c5f82 Pay attention to return op in cross-HLL inlines 473344916 Mark sp_rebless as :noinline a74869e37 Merge pull request #781 from samcv/ucd-critic 9d540bfdf ucd2c.pl: Cleanup part 18, eliminate 7 global variables ... (21 more lines)		 17:27
¦ nqp: version bump brought these changes: github.com/MoarVM/MoarVM/compare/2...g85b2c5f82
rakudo: d987bf8243 | (Aleks-Daniel Jakimenko-Aleksejev)++ | tools/build/NQP_REVISION
[NQP Bump] Brings 16 commits

NQP bump brought: github.com/perl6/nqp/compare/2017....g4d3db7f00 4d3db7f00 [MoarVM Bump] Brings 25 commits 594dc7abf Fix number of skipped tests 98aedda0b Add a few tests that grammars match graphemes 3f1d425b3 [js] Make cclass in regexes match full graphemes ... (12 more lines)
AlexDaniel Zoffix++
¦ rakudo: version bump brought these changes: github.com/perl6/nqp/compare/2017....g4d3db7f00
roast: 906c688aba | (Aleks-Daniel Jakimenko-Aleksejev)++ | 2 files
Revert "Follow semantic change of github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/6cca27669f"

This reverts commit 5670acf676d65167e892515a42b71c81984f39f2.
  See rakudo/rakudo#1425		 17:45
synopsebot RAKUDO#1425 [open]: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/issues/1425 [RFC] Semantic change with List.WHICH
Geth rakudo: b41a9176a6 | (Aleks-Daniel Jakimenko-Aleksejev)++ | 3 files
Revert "Make List a value type if it only has value types"

This reverts commit 6cca27669f15ddc3629bfe9071649a1da322a9d6.
  See issue #1425
AlexDaniel goes for a nap 18:26
possibly a very long nap, see you all tomorrow o/
lizmat AlexDaniel++ # see you! 18:28
AlexDaniel hmmm I think something is wrong with WHICH 19:43
releasable complains
AlexDaniel runs again 19:52
fwiw I'm seeing some weird fresh failures in toaster, tomorrow will be trying to figure it out 22:16
maybe a non-issue because things look… weird 22:17
6c: say X::Proc::Async::TapBeforeSpawn.WHICH.WHAT.perl 22:21
6c: say X::Proc::Async::TapBeforeSpawn.WHICH.WHAT.perl 22:22
committable6 AlexDaniel, ¦2015.12,2016.01.1,2016.02,2016.03,2016.04,2016.05,2016.06,2016.07.1,2016.08.1,2016.09,2016.10,2016.11,2016.12,2017.01,2017.02,2017.03,2017.04.3,2017.05,2017.06,2017.07,2017.08,2017.09,2017.10,2017.11,2017.12: «ObjAt␤» ¦HEAD(b41a917): «ValueObjAt␤»
AlexDaniel bisect: say X::Proc::Async::TapBeforeSpawn.WHICH.WHAT.perl
bisectable6 AlexDaniel, Bisecting by output (old=2015.12 new=b41a917) because on both starting points the exit code is 0
AlexDaniel, bisect log: gist.github.com/71dc6e479d40c3b8f1...fe982ef829 22:23
AlexDaniel, (2017-12-21) github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/20...15d52ac3d4
AlexDaniel looks at github.com/perl6/roast/commit/904a...e91e1e7b8c 22:24
m: 2017.12,HEAD X::Proc::Async::TapBeforeSpawn.WHICH
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Undeclared name:
HEAD used at line 1
AlexDaniel c: 2017.12,HEAD X::Proc::Async::TapBeforeSpawn.WHICH
committable6 AlexDaniel, ¦2017.12,HEAD(b41a917): «»
AlexDaniel c: 2017.12,HEAD say X::Proc::Async::TapBeforeSpawn.WHICH
committable6 AlexDaniel, ¦2017.12: «X::Proc::Async::TapBeforeSpawn|U94293319722984␤» ¦HEAD(b41a917): «X::Proc::Async::TapBeforeSpawn|U94669681789072␤»
AlexDaniel 6c: is NaN.Rat, NaN, "NaN.Rat == NaN"; 22:43
committable6 AlexDaniel, ¦6c (26 commits): «04===SORRY!04=== Error while compiling /tmp/cvEGsZQ0RM␤Undeclared routine:␤ is used at line 1␤␤ «exit code = 1»»
AlexDaniel 6c: use Test; is NaN.Rat, NaN, "NaN.Rat == NaN";
committable6 AlexDaniel, gist.github.com/f61e644c75dff7db2b...6ba0603ca3
AlexDaniel hm 22:44
6c: say NaN.Rat
committable6 AlexDaniel, gist.github.com/17c428ef80f077e146...4661a40b9a
AlexDaniel .tell Zoffix “is NaN.Rat, NaN, "NaN.Rat == NaN";” needs a similar change in 6.c-errata branch, I'm assuming there's a justification for that? 22:49
yoleaux AlexDaniel: I'll pass your message to Zoffix.
AlexDaniel .tell Zoffix github.com/perl6/roast/commit/a257...757ca9f4a2 22:53
yoleaux AlexDaniel: I'll pass your message to Zoffix.
Zoffix AlexDaniel: it's weird these are popping for you, 'cause I thought I fixed all 6.c-errata breakage other than the list type object.. 23:23
yoleaux 22:49Z <AlexDaniel> Zoffix: “is NaN.Rat, NaN, "NaN.Rat == NaN";” needs a similar change in 6.c-errata branch, I'm assuming there's a justification for that?
22:53Z <AlexDaniel> Zoffix: github.com/perl6/roast/commit/a257...757ca9f4a2
Zoffix Perhaps I just lost these failures under the sea of TODO passage
AlexDaniel: but yeah, those tests are incorrect. They're using string equality (due to use of `is` routine) to test numeric equality of two objects. 23:25
m: dd NaN.Rat.isNaN
camelia Bool::True
Zoffix That NaN fudge was removed in later commit
6c: say NaN.Rat.Num 23:31
committable6 Zoffix, ¦6c (26 commits): «NaN␤»
Zoffix Str view of Rat involves division and only in Num view is division by zero is not an explosion
As for the change itself. In 2017.12, we had NaN.Rat return a special non-Rat object that knew how to convert back to NaN and did not explode with stringification. Now, we simply return an effective inverse operation: <0/0>.Num => NaN; NaN.Rat => <0/0>. This fixed 3 bugs with the old system and my log digging showed me that the original special-object thing was a misinterpretation. Full description is in 23:57
the commit: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/04...ec1cd3dfdc
.tell AlexDaniel irclog.perlgeek.de/perl6-dev/2018-...i_15716502
yoleaux Zoffix: I'll pass your message to AlexDaniel.

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