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Please log your changes in the ChangeLog: https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/wiki/ChangeLog-Draft [03:56] *** anatofuz left [03:59] *** anatofuz joined [04:03] *** anatofuz left [04:13] *** anatofuz joined [04:18] *** anatofuz left [04:20] *** anatofuz joined [05:50] *** Kaypie joined [05:50] *** Kaiepi left [06:01] *** anatofuz left [06:01] *** anatofuz joined [06:03] *** anatofuz left [06:03] *** anatofuz joined [06:40] *** anatofuz left [06:42] *** anatofuz joined [06:44] *** anatofuz left [07:00] *** anatofuz joined [07:01] *** robertle joined [07:10] *** anatofuz left [07:12] *** anatofuz joined [07:13] *** anatofuz left [07:56] *** anatofuz joined [07:59] <[Tux]> Unknown option: silent-build [07:59] <[Tux]> Configure.pl - NQP Configure [08:01] <[Tux]> causing perl6 to dump core. [08:01] <[Tux]> The fail is from this: [08:02] <[Tux]> .../rakudo/install/bin/moar' --libpath=src/vm/moar/stage0 src/vm/moar/stage0/nqp.moarvm --bootstrap --setting=NULL --no-regex-lib --target=mbc --stable-sc=stage1 --output='gen/moar/stage1/nqpmo.moarvm' 'gen/moar/stage1/nqpmo.nqp' [08:17] *** anatofuz left [08:18] *** anatofuz joined [08:24] *** anatofuz left [08:56] *** anatofuz joined [09:09] *** anatofuz left [09:09] *** anatofuz joined [09:10] meh, I see no way things will stabilize before the release [09:14] *** anatofuz left [09:18] *** patrickb joined [09:20] *** anatofuz joined [09:24] *** anatofuz left [09:57] *** anatofuz joined [10:10] *** anatofuz left [10:11] *** anatofuz joined [10:19] *** ufobat__ left [10:19] *** anatofuz left [10:20] *** anatofuz joined [10:29] *** anatofuz left [10:32] *** anatofuz joined [11:06] releasable6: blockers [11:06] nine, I cannot recognize this command. See wiki for some examples: https://github.com/perl6/whateverable/wiki/Releasable [11:06] releasable6: status [11:06] nine, Next release in ≈1 day and ≈7 hours. R6 is down. At least 7 blockers. Unknown changelog format [11:06] nine, Details: https://gist.github.com/5e2115d927153affd939060a57b0305d [11:13] ¦ rakudo/newer-sprintf: d9103cecf1 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | src/core.e/Rakudo/Internals/Sprintf.pm6 [11:13] ¦ rakudo/newer-sprintf: WIP, some refactoring [11:13] ¦ rakudo/newer-sprintf: [11:13] ¦ rakudo/newer-sprintf: ATM blocked by weird hang in testing [11:13] ¦ rakudo/newer-sprintf: review: https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/d9103cecf1 [11:34] *** anatofuz left [11:38] *** anatofuz joined [11:43] ah, looks like the NQP bump fixed the weird hang in testing as well [11:47] <[Tux]> I still cannot build [11:48] [Tux]: did you try the git submodule update/reconfigure dance? [11:48] <[Tux]> yes [11:49] <[Tux]> https://tux.nl/Files/rebuild [11:49] <[Tux]> am I missing commands in there? [12:25] *** anatofuz left [12:40] *** anatofuz joined [12:44] *** lucasb joined [12:44] *** anatofuz left [13:12] *** anatofuz joined [13:16] *** MasterDuke left [13:16] *** anatofuz left [13:26] [Tux]: what happens with your build? [13:28] *** anatofuz joined [13:32] *** anatofuz left [13:36] <[Coke]> .seen finanalyst [13:36] [Coke], I saw finanalyst 2019-08-26T10:02:26Z in #perl6: jjmerelo: hi. [14:15] *** anatofuz joined [14:19] *** anatofuz left [14:46] *** anatofuz joined [14:50] *** anatofuz left [15:07] *** robertle left [15:17] *** anatofuz joined [15:21] *** cognomin_ joined [15:22] *** anatofuz left [15:25] *** cognominal left [15:41] *** anatofuz joined [15:43] *** anatofuz left [15:54] *** Kaypie is now known as Kaiepi [15:58] *** anatofuz joined [16:03] *** anatofuz left [16:30] *** anatofuz joined [16:34] *** anatofuz left [16:37] Are we actually going to have a release tomorrow? Asking because I still have three bugs that I'd like to fix / have fixed before the release. [16:39] @vrurg: I'd really like to reevaluate the idea of having our own make implementation in Perl 5. I already started looking into implementing that already... [16:40] patrickb: The release is highly unlikely, there are still a couple of blockers. [16:40] patrickb: makes no sense, don't waste your time on this. [16:41] We have nqp version. What we need is a handy way to use it. [16:42] The nqp version can't be used for MoarVM. [16:42] I don't see Perl 5 leaving us as configure system. So why not just use it? [16:43] *** robertle joined [16:46] *** anatofuz joined [16:50] *** anatofuz left [16:50] patrickb: I would rather consider possibilities getting rid of Perl6 dependecy. [16:51] Perl5 you mean? [16:51] Meanwhile, as we can't do it, it's better to keep status quo. Yep, Perl5, sure. Missed the button. ;) [16:52] I'm open for alternatives. But I actually don't really see what's so wrong with Perl 5. I think we didn't have any developer yet that was unwilling or unable to work on it because of the language. [16:52] That's in contrast to about any alternative build toolchain there is. [16:53] And then I don't see a simple and pragmatic way of doing it in pure NQP or Perl 6. [16:54] My dream is to be as self-sufficient, as Perl5 is. [16:54] Anyway, it is definitely doesn't worth wasting time re-implementing, say, https://metacpan.org/pod/Make [16:54] Do you have practical reasons for that or is that goal mostly idealisticly motivated? [16:56] patrickb: A bit of this, a bit of that. Mostly because I was want as minimum dependencies as possible. [16:56] vrurg: My idea was saving time wasted on having to fix stuff on the different make systems. There isn't even a way to test all of them without rebooting into different operating systems... [16:57] patrickb: I test in VMs. Besides, nqp_578 branch removes possibly the last platform-dependant thing: first prerequisite variable. [16:57] All those makes could be considered as dependencies we have to stay compatible to. We shrink the dependencies by having our own make. [16:58] Also true. But the point is not to make our life easier, but the life of a user compiling from sources. [16:59] I hope and think users won't have to compile from source much anymore in the near future. [16:59] My rule of thumb: think what's better for those using your product. [16:59] We'll start releasing compiled rakudos soon with every release. [17:00] I consider package builders as users too. They're outside of our internal production cycle. [17:00] I plan to enable rakudobrew to install those binary releases. [17:01] Do we really ease packagers a relevant amount of trouble by not having them install Perl 5 before compiling Perl 6? [17:02] I'd say installing a package that is readily available for about any distribution in the foreseeable future is not a problem we should put energy in to optimize away. [17:02] I think – yes. They'd need to care less about extra dependencies. [17:02] it becomes weirder when you have to install Perl 5 before you can install Raku [17:03] Let's turn the tables. What's the point spending time on another make implementation if we already do statisfactory job of supporting existing implementations? [17:03] lizmat++ [17:04] lizmat: Oh, a bit later, but I forgot to correct your last weekly. I didn't do a thing to MoarVM and only this week started with NQP. So, it was Rakudo only. ;) [17:04] *a bit late [17:04] lizmat: But Perl 5 is only a build dependency, not a runtime dependency. [17:06] patrickb: anyway. The other thing is we must admit that Perl 5 is on the declining curve and we've no idea how would that affect Perl5 itself and its availability among distributions on the long run. [17:16] *** anatofuz joined [17:22] *** anatofuz left [18:07] *** patrickb left [18:36] *** MasterDuke joined [19:43] What may cause "Merging GLOBAL symbols failed: duplicate definition of symbol TryCatch" when compiling jvm nqp? [19:52] *** Kaiepi left [19:53] vrurg: did you do `make -j`? [19:54] MasterDuke: No. I just rework NQP makefiles and broke something. [19:54] hm. then no idea, sorry [19:55] * bartolin doesn't remember seeing that particular error with nqp-j [19:57] The sources are identical except for a single comment. [20:05] *** dogbert17 left [20:23] *** anatofuz joined [20:27] *** anatofuz left [20:28] *** dogbert17 joined [20:54] *** anatofuz joined [20:55] *** anatofuz left [20:57] lizmat: what do you think about R#1514 ? [20:57] R#1514 [open]: https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/issues/1514 [LTA][RFC] printf, sprintf cannot handle %lf [21:10] *** cognominal joined [21:14] *** cognomin_ left [21:45] *** mj41cz joined [21:49] *** dogbert17 left [21:54] *** mj41cz left [22:08] *** Kaiepi joined [22:13] *** dogbert17 joined [22:17] *** anatofuz joined [22:35] *** cognomin_ joined [22:39] *** cognominal left [22:48] lizmat: I don't think it's too weird. 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