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Set by Zoffix on 27 July 2018.
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Zoffix .tell samcv I've logged unicode changes as "- Expanded specification coverage of Unicode routines and features - Upgraded coverage to Unicode version 11" and will log $*COLLATION and any new routines I see. So I guess it's logged now, but feel free to make it more specific. I plan to have ChangeLog in completed form by Nov 3. ~11PM EST 00:21
yoleaux Zoffix: I'll pass your message to samcv.
jnthn Zoffix: Did the tests for $CALLER:_ / CALLER::<$_> get dropped in 6.d? 00:27
Ah, I see them in APPENDICES/A03-older-specs/01-misc.t 00:28
Which does use v6.c. OK :)
And all other things that show up grepping for CALLER look fine. Zoffix++ 00:29
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Zoffix jnthn: yeah, it was this commit: github.com/perl6/roast/commit/7780...e98540d91a 00:42
And I guess that file will/can be changed to use v6.d, but APPENDICES/* stuff isn't getting included in a spec released. There's just one version of those, on master branch 00:43
s/released/release/;
jnthn Aha, I see 00:46
I think that gives me the spec freedom to do what I'll need.
timotimo .o( i've been lookin' for freedom ) 00:57
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Geth roast: 1e19bd722d | (Zoffix Znet)++ | S32-list/iterator.t
Cover Mu.iterator on Mu:U/:D
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Geth roast: 513b42b0b5 | (Zoffix Znet)++ | S02-types/capture.t
[v6.d REVIEW] Do not spec .Str of Capture.WHICH

The other tests in the group already sufficiently cover the bug		 04:01
Zoffix m: my %a = 1 => {2 => {3 => 42}}; dd %a{1;2,2;3} 04:08
camelia (42, 42)
Zoffix I don't follow how that works.
m: my @a = ^10 xx 10 xx 10; dd @a[1;2,2;3] 04:09
camelia (3, 3)
Zoffix Or this, why two values?
Zoffix reads docs.perl6.org/language/subscripts...dimensions 04:12
m: my @twodim = (<a b c>, (1, 2, 3)); say @twodim[0,1;1]; # 2nd element of both lists
camelia (b 2)
Zoffix OK got it *phew* :) 04:13
( {1;2,2;3} -> for all 1s in first layer go pick `2` and `2` on second level and for all of them pick `3` on third level 04:14
)
geekosaur yep 04:24
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geekosaur had guessed that and then tested it out of channel 04:25
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stmuk We refer a lot in announcements to "Rakudo Perl 6", I'm not sure "Rakudo Raku" is a sensible replacement, if the Raku alias is used maybe we should remove some (but not all Perl 6) references 07:46
yoleaux 20 Oct 2018 02:06Z <Zoffix> stmuk: Just so I have info for 6.d release announcement: 2018.11 Rakudo will be a first rakudo with 6.d language by default. Will there be a 2018.11 Rakudo Star (considering that going by regular schedule there will be a 2018.10 Rakudo Star)?
stmuk does Raku (or another alias) refer just to 6.d or 6.c (retrospectively) 07:49
hmmm maybe there could be a special 2018.11 since we missed 07 anyway 07:56
star 2018.11 I mean
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remove some perl 6 references leaving a few
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lizmat_ Files=1255, Tests=76371, 338 wallclock secs (15.79 usr 5.19 sys + 2374.38 cusr 227.56 csys = 2622.92 CPU) 10:41
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review: github.com/perl6/nqp/compare/e5596...7be00d2d45		 11:50
nqp/nqp-mbc: 9 commits pushed by (Stefan Seifert)++ 12:05
rakudo/nqp-mbc: 4 commits pushed by (Stefan Seifert)++ 12:07
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Zoffix stmuk_: I wouldn't worry about trying to use "Raku" anywhere core at the moment. Let it start with 3rd-party users and blog writers. The alias is to the name of the language, not to any particular version. Also, I've not heard from TimToady on his final-final decision yet; he did say Raku was the top pick, but there were no final statements yet 13:03
yoleaux 06:22Z <holyghost> Zoffix: I've added Mathx::Stat to github.com/theholyghost2, it compiles and needs tests
06:27Z <holyghost> Zoffix: as I'm busy with personal things next week, I'll manage compiles for Bayes::Learn, Game::Markov, AI::Agent next week starting from wednesday
Zoffix stmuk_: and "Rakudo Perl 6" is from the time when we were trying to further differentiate Perl 6 from "[Pumpkin] Perl 5", so the new version would be "Raku Perl 6", not "Rakudo Raku" 13:05
Or just Raku or just Perl 6
(I guess there's also "Rakudo Perl 6 Compiler", which can just stay as that, IMO) 13:09
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roast: aa32d4da24 | (Zoffix Znet)++ | packages/Test/Util.pm6
Use .resolve on all OSes now
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rakudo: b2a976c0fb | (Zoffix Znet)++ | t/packages/Test/Helpers.pm6
Use .resolve on all OSes
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stmuk_ I parsed "stage name" as meaning public facing name 13:49
Zoffix waits for TimToady to chime in or blog-post before making further guesses :) 13:52
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nine I kinda like how one can read Rakudo as Raku-do. While Raku is just a language, Raku-do makes it _do_ things 13:55
Zoffix I think there's also some Japanese meaning of `-do`. Like "way of Raku" or something 13:56
stmuk_ "raku" is growing on me with "Perl 6"/"Perl6" "Perl&nbsp;6" seeming quite clumsy and overlong 13:57
Zoffix mhm
bisect: 2018.05,HEAD dd <1/0> + <-1/0> + <-1/0> 13:58
bisectable6 Zoffix, Using old=2018.05 new=HEAD in an attempt to DWIM
Zoffix, Problem with b2a976c commit: Commit exists, but a perl6 executable could not be built for it
Zoffix AlexDaniel`: ^ what it don't like?
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dogbert17 m: { for ^10000_000 { }; say now - ENTER now }
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stmuk_ have there been any toaster runs with v6.d set as v6? Is there likely to be much breakage in setting it as default? 14:10
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LWP::Simple now also uses https in its tests
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rakudo/master: 6 commits pushed by (Stefan Seifert)++ 14:40
¦ rakudo/master: version bump brought these changes: github.com/perl6/nqp/compare/2018....g3aa8cbb40
nqp/master: 71 commits pushed by (Stefan Seifert)++
review: github.com/perl6/nqp/compare/12893...a8cbb40b91
¦ nqp/master: version bump brought these changes: github.com/MoarVM/MoarVM/compare/2...g4fbaeee5f
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Zoffix stmuk_: yeah, there has been R#2451 Most of the breakage seems to be due to version pragma not being the first active statement in a file 14:46
synopsebot R#2451 [open]: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/issues/2451 [⚠ blocker ⚠] Pre-2018.11 toasting
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stmuk_ ty 14:48
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travis-ci NQP build failed. Stefan Seifert 'Bump MoarVM version to get new mbc backend' 14:58
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Fix "Expected native int argument, but got num" in 084-loop-labels.t
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stmuk_ pl6anet.org/drop/rakudo-star-2018.10-RC1.tar.gz 15:18
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travis-ci NQP build passed. Stefan Seifert 'Fix "Expected native int argument, but got num" in 084-loop-labels.t' 15:28
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AlexDaniel bisect: 2018.05,HEAD dd <1/0> + <-1/0> + <-1/0> 15:55
bisectable6 AlexDaniel, Using old=2018.05 new=HEAD in an attempt to DWIM
AlexDaniel, Bisecting by output (old=2018.05 new=bb43acd) because on both starting points the exit code is 0
AlexDaniel, bisect log: gist.github.com/8e014efb564002ef62...1618cc2a03
AlexDaniel, (2018-07-31) github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/5c...f172990f0e
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AlexDaniel Zoffix: ↑ it was, eh… broken build, don't know why. Next time you can try new=HEAD^. I deleted the archive for that commit (b2a976c) and it was rebuilt properly now 17:05
sorry for the inconvenience
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AlexDaniel here's the ticket in whateverable: github.com/perl6/whateverable/issues/132 17:06
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AlexDaniel actually, there is already a workaround in place 17:07
(the one that deletes unusable archives whenever it stumbles upon one)
bisectable6: uptime
bisectable6 AlexDaniel, 1 week, 3 days, 20 hours, 10 minutes, and 34 seconds, 549.835938MiB maxrss. This is Rakudo version 2018.06-454-gfd6f512be built on MoarVM version 2018.06-428-g727767006 implementing Perl 6.c.
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AlexDaniel it's on whateverable HEAD, but bots don't have that yet 17:08
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Geth rakudo: 1b7253dfc6 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | src/core/metaops.pm6
Die on Associative <<op>> Iterable

This can never work due to the random order of keys in the Associative. This used to die before, but with a very LTA error about a Pair.new() not finding a suitable candidate.		 17:54
lizmat nine++ # last time I check, building rakudo grew to 1.31 GB, now only to 1.17 GB 17:59
yoleaux 12:16Z <Xliff> lizmat: Do you know if Method::Also will ever be able to handle multi's?
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Remove leftover comment

A BEGIN was added with the comment, but when the BEGIN was removed the comment remained.		 18:12
TimToady dips in from vacating with his grandkids to backlog and say: Raku, Final Answer 18:21
TimToady doubts he will win a million dollars though...
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rakudo: tbrowder++ created pull request #2469:
add some more info		 18:42
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timotimo you didn't answer in the form of a question 18:54
disqualified
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Zoffix TimToady++ \o/ Awesome! Thanks a lot! 19:03
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lizmat brownout or blackout ? 19:56
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Rakudo version 2018.10-66-gb09926693 - MoarVM version 2018.10-73-g255bf8a7a
csv-ip5xs0.923 - 0.927
csv-ip5xs-206.973 - 7.192
csv-parser22.378 - 22.447
csv-test-xs-200.427 - 0.428
test8.014 - 8.136
test-t1.916 - 1.927
test-t --race0.863 - 0.869
test-t-2031.091 - 32.069
test-t-20 --race10.491 - 10.692
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lizmat m: my @a = ^100; my @b := @a <<+>> @a; dd @b[0] = 42 # is it troublesome that hypers return the type on the left hand side, but not quite ? 20:12
camelia Cannot assign to an immutable value
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
lizmat m: my @a = ^100; my @b := @a <<+>> @a; dd @b.WHAT 20:13
camelia Array
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TimToady have we yet done anything about aggregating role submethods like BUILD and TWEAK and calling all of them? Seems like a 6d transition sort of thing to think about... 20:18
lizmat you mean like R#1679 ? 20:20
synopsebot R#1679 [open]: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/issues/1679 [regression] BUILDPLAN sharing optimization appears to have broken ancestor attribute initialization
TimToady no, I mean where the roles have explicit submethods that they'd like to call to initialize their part of the object 20:21
lizmat is not sure 20:22
TimToady my understanding is that currently they're ignored, or collide, and in any case not called
whereas I think there was a general consensus that they should just all be called along with the class's associated submethod 20:23
(probably before, given they're vaguely ancestral)
well, presumably a DESTROY submethod would come after, for similar reasons
anyway, just askin' if this is a good time to ask :) 20:25
lizmat is again not sure :-( 20:26
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b2gills m: role R { submethod BUILD (){ say 'role' }}; class C does R { submethod BUILD (){ say 'class' }}; class D does R {}; say 'C:'; C.new; say 'D:'; D.new 20:41
camelia C:
class
D:
role
b2gills m: role R { multi submethod BUILD (){ say 'role' }}; class C does R { multi submethod BUILD ($){}}; C.new 20:43
camelia role
b2gills m: role R { multi submethod BUILD (){ say 'role' }}; class C does R { multi submethod BUILD (){ say 'class'}}; C.new 20:46
camelia class
b2gills m: role R { submethod BUILD (){}}; class C does R { multi submethod BUILD (){}} 20:47
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Package 'C' already has a method 'BUILD' (did you mean to declare a multi-method?)
at <tmp>:1
b2gills Looks like any `only submethod BUILD` in a class overrides one coming from a role, but multis mixing in. 20:49
lizmat .ask jnthn looking at the HYPER() structure: I wonder whether it would be an idea to create a Hyper class that would keep the op / dwim-left / dwm-right as attributes so they wouldn't have to be passed around all of the time ? 20:50
yoleaux lizmat: I'll pass your message to jnthn.
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travis-ci.org/rakudo/rakudo/builds/450279293 github.com/rakudo/rakudo/compare/1...99266938d4
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buggable [travis build above] ✓ All failures are due to: missing build log (1 failure), GitHub connectivity (1 failure). 20:52
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nine Wow! Is that the first time that csv-ip5xs-20 is below 7 seconds? 22:22
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add some more info
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rakudo: bf2e279231 | (Tom Browder)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | docs/rakudo-nqp-and-pod-notes.md
Merge pull request #2469 from tbrowder/note-update

add some more info
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[CL] 🏁 C'est tout!
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Zoffix 📯📯📯 6.d spec changelog is complete. Proofreading welcome: github.com/perl6/6.d-prep/blob/mas...angeLog.md 23:26
But probably shouldn't advertize it to users yet. I think it's best if we consistently reference the release brochure as the source of all the info instead of posting all the info piece-meal all over the place
"askin' if this is a good time to ask". Not for 6.d. All the new stuff will go to 6.e :) 23:28
Basically, I plan to have the release ready within ~26h, and Tuesday will be just ceremonial tagging and announcements 23:29
(more or less… release brochure might be ready on Mon/Tue instead of 26h) 23:30
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travis-ci Rakudo build passed. Tom Browder 'Merge pull request #2469 from tbrowder/note-update 23:33
travis-ci.org/rakudo/rakudo/builds/450337609 github.com/rakudo/rakudo/compare/b...2e27923188
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