ugexe only 33 more to go 00:01
samcv 33? 00:02
now it seems i'm down to 478 :)
ugexe only 58 more to go 00:03
samcv after i didn't work on collation for a bit and now am working on the code again. it amazed me how well the code i wrote worked. i mean the auxillary functions here need some work but the main loop works perfectly with some minor tweaking i did 00:06
not a bad thing
now down to 346 :) 00:16
ugexe, i get your jokes now :P once i subtracted them heh 00:17
BenGoldberg Is nqp::p6bindattrinvres documented anywhere? It's not mentioned in ops.markdown 00:36
samcv andddd now at 150 :) 00:51
MasterDuke the nqp::p6* ops are (i believe) rakudo specific 01:02
BenGoldberg: and are somewhat documented here github.com/rakudo/rakudo/blob/nom/...s.markdown 01:03
BenGoldberg Ahh ha, I was looking at the wrong ops.markdown! I was looking at github.com/perl6/nqp/blob/master/d...s.markdown 01:05
MasterDuke++ 01:06
AlexDaniel what's the idea behind this? 03:15
m: my $x = []; $x .= :test; say $x
camelia [(Pair) test True]?
AlexDaniel I'm pretty sure it's there for a reason, but cannot figure it out yet
BenGoldberg m: say [] . :test 03:26
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>?Unsupported use of . to concatenate strings; in Perl 6 please use ~?at <tmp>:1?------> 3say [] .7?5 :test?
BenGoldberg m: say [].:test 03:27
camelia [(Pair) test True]?
BenGoldberg m: my @a; @a.:test; say @a;
camelia []?
BenGoldberg m: say [].^find_method: :test; 03:28
camelia Too few positionals passed; expected 3 arguments but got 2? in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1??
AlexDaniel it's not about “test”, it calls .new 03:37
[Tux] This is Rakudo version 2017.07-56-g12d7d5b48 built on MoarVM version 2017.07-15-g0729f841 06:03
csv-ip5xs 2.551
test 12.555
test-t 4.091 - 4.295
csv-parser 11.989
stmuk_ is there a test for the ll-exception issue? 09:17
probably not I guess since it's not part of the lanaguage 09:22
nine stmuk_: I'm not aware of any 09:23
stmuk_ I'm confused about whether the fix is in 2017.07 nqp since some commits are (MasterDuke's) and some aren't (nine's) 09:24
nine stmuk_: MasterDuke's were an attempt at fixing but were not enough 09:25
stmuk_ ah I see 09:27
I just get "Unhandled exception: concatenate requires a concrete string, but got null
with the first fix
nine yep, that's what my commit fixes 09:28
stmuk_ hmm if I bump nqp to c0abee7 in R* the other commits after 2017.07 look safe enough and "perl6 -v" will report the correct nqp 09:30
Geth nqp/async-await-continuations: 4 commits pushed by pmurias++ 10:01
rakudo/nom: a636fa8f62 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | src/core/Any-iterable-methods.pm
Streamline .unique(:as) candidate a bit

Gives about 3% improvement on a 1000 elem list wth unique values.		 11:57
travis-ci Rakudo build failed. Elizabeth Mattijsen 'Streamline .unique(:as) candidate a bit 12:50
travis-ci.org/rakudo/rakudo/builds/256853537 github.com/rakudo/rakudo/compare/1...36fa8f62a8
buggable [travis build above] ? Did not recognize some failures. Check results manually.
Zoffix travis-ci.org/rakudo/rakudo/builds/256853537 13:09
buggable [travis build above] ? All failures are due to timeout (0), missing build log (0), GitHub connectivity (0), or failed make test (1). Across all jobs, only 04-nativecall/21-callback-other-thread.t test file failed.
Zoffix travis-ci.org/rakudo/rakudo/builds/256853537 13:11
buggable [travis build above] ? All failures are due to timeout (0), missing build log (0), GitHub connectivity (0), or failed make test (1). Across all jobs, only t/04-nativecall/21-callback-other-thread.t test file failed.
stmuk_ why does "perl6 -v" not give the NQP version? 14:09
ilmari and why doesn't moar have a -v (only --version)?
Geth rakudo/nom: 47d9bd9bef | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | src/core/Any-iterable-methods.pm
Make .unique(:with) about 4x faster

  - based on a 100 elem array with unique elements (aka worst case)
  - don't use gather / take, create proper iterator
  - don't use .first, but loop over low level list directly		 14:10
Zoffix stmuk_: usually not needed, since you can get it by looking at what version the rakudo commit requires 14:11
Geth_ star: 60e4f01d42 | (Steve Mynott)++ | modules/MODULES.txt
fix LWP::Simple test by installing Encode first
 14:27
star: eb441c1b54 | (Steve Mynott)++ | 2 files
document last min fix process
star: cebd7745d9 | (Steve Mynott)++ | docs/announce/2017.07.md
doc NQP version to fix -ll-exception flag
Geth rakudo/nom: 26789cc704 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | src/core/Any-iterable-methods.pm
Make .unique(:with(&[===])) about 20% faster

  - based on a 100 element array with unique elements
  - don't use nextwith, just return call to other candidate		 14:38
Zoffix m: [].Slip.^name.say 14:57
camelia Array::Slip-With-Default?
Zoffix makes a face
timotimo m: [].Slip ~~ Slip
camelia ( no output )
timotimo m: say [].Slip ~~ Slip 14:58
camelia True?
Zoffix Feels like leaking internal stuff to userland. It's now expected the docs to list what Array::Slip-With-Default is, which means it also has to be mentioned in the spec.
Zoffix & 15:01
stmuk_ pl6anet.org/drop/rakudo-star-2017.07-RC2.tar.gz 15:08
lizmat Zoffix: do you prefer an anonymous class ??? 15:12
Zoffix I think if it were possible to do with a normal Slip, that'd be best. How does .Seq manages to obtain a default without having to be Array::Seq-With-Default? 15:15
m: my @a is default(42) = 1; @a[2] = 3; @a.Seq.List[2].say
camelia 3?
Zoffix m: my @a is default(42) = 1; @a[2] = 3; @a.Seq.List[1].say
camelia 42?
Zoffix s: [], 'Seq', \() 15:16
SourceBaby Zoffix, Sauce is at github.com/rakudo/rakudo/blob/47d9...st.pm#L694
Zoffix So one'd get Array::Seq-With-Default not even in all the .Slip cases, but only on fully-refied Arrays. Kinda unpredictable 15:18
lizmat Zoffix: a normal Slip isa List, and doesn't have room for a descriptor or a default
Zoffix: the alternative is that we go the slow path for all reified array Seqs
Zoffix m: my @a is default(42) = 1; @a[2] = 3; @a.List[1].say 15:19
camelia Nil?
lizmat and that is correct ^^^
because you lose the descriptor when you make it a List
Zoffix m: my @a is default(42) = 1; @a[2] = 3; @a.FLATTENABLE_LIST[1].say 15:20
camelia (Mu)?
lizmat afaik FLATTENABLE_LIST is an implementation detail, and one that dates from parrot days 15:21
Zoffix This is very inconsistent. You get `is default` value when you make a .Slip, but get a Mu when you slip it into a routine's arguments, and worse still, you get a Nil when you make a List
Feels like a Nil for all cases would be much saner
m: my @a is default(42) = 1; @a[2] = 3; sub { dd [$^a, $^b, $^c] }(|@a) 15:22
camelia Type check failed in binding to parameter '$b'; expected Any but got Mu (Mu)? in sub at <tmp> line 1? in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1??
lizmat then what's the point of "is default" ?
lizmat checks on "my @a is default(42) = 1; @a[2] = 3; sub { dd [$^a, $^b, $^c] }(|@a)" case
Zoffix That cases uses @a.FLATTENABLE_LIST that gives thge Mu
lizmat gotcha 15:23
Zoffix ok, yeah, not Nil 15:26
Geth rakudo/nom: 2fb8c72587 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | src/core/Array.pm
Obscure the Slip-With-Default class
 15:28
Zoffix s: [], 'iterator', \() 15:29
SourceBaby Zoffix, Sauce is at github.com/rakudo/rakudo/blob/2678...ray.pm#L52
lizmat m: my Int @a = 1; @a[2] = 3; sub { dd [$^a, $^b, $^c] }(|@a) # same issue, without "is default" 15:35
camelia Type check failed in binding to parameter '$b'; expected Any but got Mu (Mu)? in sub at <tmp> line 1? in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1??
lizmat dinner& 15:40
Zoffix m: my @a is default(42) = lazy gather { take 12; take Nil; take 70 }; @a.List.say 15:51
camelia Cannot List a lazy list? in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1??
Zoffix orly?
Really didn't expect there to be any difference between .Slip and .List, other than the types 15:52
m: my @a is default(42) = gather { take 12; take Nil; take 70 }; say @a[1]:exists; .say for @a.List 15:57
camelia True?12?42?70?
Zoffix m: my @a is default(42) = gather { take 12; take Nil; take 70 }; @a[1]:delete; say @a[1]:exists; .say for @a.List
camelia False?12?(Mu)?70?
Zoffix m: my @a is default(42) = Array.from-iterator(gather { take 12; take Nil; take 70 }.iterator); @a.List.say 16:02
camelia (12 (Any) 70)?
Zoffix I guess the lastone is right 16:03
m: my @a is default(42) = lazy 1...8; @a[1]:delete; .say for @a.Slip 16:05
camelia 1?2?3?4?5?6?7?8?
Zoffix m: my @a is default(42) = lazy 1...8; @a[1]:delete; .say for @a 16:06
camelia 1?2?3?4?5?6?7?8?
Zoffix m: my @a is default(42) = lazy 1...8; @a[1]:delete; .say for @a[1]:exists
camelia True?
travis-ci Rakudo build failed. Elizabeth Mattijsen 'Make .unique(:with(&[===])) about 20% faster 16:07
travis-ci.org/rakudo/rakudo/builds/256912377 github.com/rakudo/rakudo/compare/4...789cc7040e
buggable [travis build above] ? All failures are due to timeout (0), missing build log (0), GitHub connectivity (1), or failed make test (0).
Zoffix Filed as rt.perl.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=131790 16:10
.tell lizmat maybe .Slip shouldn't do descriptor stuff at all? I would've expected it to be the same as .List, except for the type. And .FLATTENABLE_LIST would be fixed to give `is default` values, so if someone slips the array to a routine (e.g. say |@a), they'd get expected values. Then .List and .Slip will be the same, giving Mus for holes, and if someone wants `is default` values instead of Mus, they 16:12
yoleaux Zoffix: I'll pass your message to lizmat.
Zoffix can do `@a.Seq.List/.Slip`
.tell can do `@a.Seq.List/.Slip`
yoleaux Zoffix: I'll pass your message to can.
Zoffix .tell lizmat can do `@a.Seq.List/.Slip`
yoleaux Zoffix: I'll pass your message to lizmat.
Zoffix .tell lizmat Just mentioning in case you don't already know this (to explain why I think .Slip should be like .List): `say |@a` doesn't call prefix:<|>. It changes it to a call to .FLATTENABLE_LIST/_HASH; so slipping arrays to args never calls .Slip. github.com/rakudo/rakudo/blob/nom/...6197-L6208 16:17
yoleaux Zoffix: I'll pass your message to lizmat.
Zoffix & 16:18
liztormato Zoffix: I think the essence of slipping is the iteration. That it is implemented as a subclass of List is an implementation detail 17:26
Zoffix Oh 17:27
liztormato Therefore the behaviour wrt to nulls, is an artefact of the implementation
In my opinion 17:28
Zoffix OK
liztormato Currently at dinner, will get back to it when home again 17:29
travis-ci Rakudo build failed. Elizabeth Mattijsen 'Obscure the Slip-With-Default class' 17:46
travis-ci.org/rakudo/rakudo/builds/256931996 github.com/rakudo/rakudo/compare/2...b8c72587ff
buggable [travis build above] ? All failures are due to timeout (0), missing build log (0), GitHub connectivity (0), or failed make test (1). Across all jobs, only t/04-nativecall/21-callback-other-thread.t test file failed.
jnthn m: my @a = 1, 2; sub foo($a is rw, $b is rw) { }; foo(|@a) 17:50
camelia ( no output )
jnthn m: my @a; @a[0] = 2; sub foo($a is rw, $b is rw) { }; foo(|@a)
camelia Too few positionals passed; expected 2 arguments but got 1? in sub foo at <tmp> line 1? in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1??
jnthn fwiw, that may also be considered an undesirable behavior (and shares the same cause as the default thing)
lizmat . 18:44
yoleaux 16:12Z <Zoffix> lizmat: maybe .Slip shouldn't do descriptor stuff at all? I would've expected it to be the same as .List, except for the type. And .FLATTENABLE_LIST would be fixed to give `is default` values, so if someone slips the array to a routine (e.g. say |@a), they'd get expected values. Then .List and .Slip will be the same, giving Mus for holes, and if someone wants `is default` values instead of Mus, they
16:12Z <Zoffix> lizmat: can do `@a.Seq.List/.Slip`
16:17Z <Zoffix> lizmat: Just mentioning in case you don't already know this (to explain why I think .Slip should be like .List): `say |@a` doesn't call prefix:<|>. It changes it to a call to .FLATTENABLE_LIST/_HASH; so slipping arrays to args never calls .Slip. github.com/rakudo/rakudo/blob/nom/...6197-L6208
Zoffix AlexDaniel: BTW you now have the task I didn't finish and that is making this page rakudo.perl6.org/downloads/star/ look as good or better than rakudo.org/downloads/star/ and once that's done, to redirect HTTP rakudo.org URLs to HTTPs versions and to use HTTPS versions by default in announcements 19:33
[Coke] how can I dump the guts of a Encoding::Decoder::Builtin ? 19:34
it doesn't appear to have any attrs of its own, but has a repr of Decoder. 19:36
ggoebel what does OSR stand for? 20:01
On stack replacement... 20:02
[Coke] so, I'm digging into the Malformed UTF-8 error that I'm seeing on the mac; Might need samcv or someone to handhold here. (doesn't help that I don't have gdb, so I'm adding fprintf into moarvm at the moment to try to figure out when it goes south) 20:06
I can tell you it's dying in the slow path: github.com/MoarVM/MoarVM/blob/mast...tf8.c#L496 20:08
[Coke] hurls gist.github.com/coke/1050613c805ec...1aa3ad5f51 which might mean something to a MoarVM dev. 20:24
jnthn [Coke]: Dumping a Decoder: not exactly dumping but you can inspect it under gdb, for example 20:49
(The internal structure of it is opaque from Perl 6 level) 20:50
[Coke] on a mac, that's hard.
jnthn s/gdb/lldb/ ? :)
[Coke] I grabbed some output. looks like one "line" ends on byte 194, the next "line" begins on byte 171, at which point it 'splodes.
where a line is based on nqp::decodertakeline from consume-line-chars 20:51
jnthn Yeah, was trying to figure out what to make of that :)
One interestig question: if you grab the bytes instead, are they correct?
.slurp-rest(:bin) or so 20:52
[Coke] those are the bytes I'm emitting from decode_utf8_byte in MoarVM.
yes, it has to go through run()
if I generate the output of 'perl6 --doc doc/Type/List.pod6' and then process that file, it's fine. 20:53
(without bin)
jnthn I meant if you do
run(...).out.slurp-rest(:bin)
[Coke] That doesn't trigger the error. Pretty sure .lines has to be involved as well. 20:55
m: say chr(194) 20:57
camelia Â?
[Coke] ... that character doesn't appear in the input file anywhere.
(or in the --doc output) 20:58
geekosaur that makes me think utf8 misdecoded as iso8859
jnthn [Coke]: It won't trigger an error, I'm more curious if you the take the resulting byte sqeuence and decode it, does it decode then? 21:00
[Coke] yes, .decode('utf8') on that does not error, generates the output. 21:01
jnthn Hm, ok. Odd. 21:02
[Coke] yup. :) 21:09
I know it requires mac+run+lines; at the moment, trying to figure out what the bad utf8 it's complaining about is, so then I can figure out where it came from. :)
jnthn [Coke]++ 21:13
Once I get done with the current round of spesh changes, I'll ask lizmat++ for a shell account and see if I can reproduce it there and hunt it down, if you don't beat me to it 21:14
[Coke] thanks. spesh first. :) 21:15
lizmat and another Perl 6 Weekly hits the Net: p6weekly.wordpress.com/2017/07/24/...h-produce/ 22:33
AlexDaniel Zoffix: is there any ticket for this somewhere? 22:34
Zoffix__ AlexDaniel, "this" being what? 22:39
AlexDaniel Zoffix__: “BTW you now have the task […]” 22:40
Zoffix__ AlexDaniel, nope, no ticket
AlexDaniel ok, created a ticket 23:17
By the way, this is a great page: github.com/issues/
I didn't know it existed
tadzik I find it infinitely more useful when you replace the "owner:<me>" with "user:<me>" in the search bar 23:21
yoleaux 21 Jul 2017 07:58Z <AlexDaniel> tadzik: plz github.com/tadzik/perl6-Config-INI/pull/14
tadzik then it shows you bug in *your* projects, rather than all projects you have access to
hm, now it seems to show bugs you opened by default, actually 23:22
AlexDaniel: thanks for the bug and PR :) 23:23
AlexDaniel no, thank *you* for the bug :) 23:24
tadzik :P

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