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| Ven` | it might sound crazy for a moment, but I have something to muse about... signature binders are like EXPORT subroutines | 08:46 | |
| you take a bunch of "stuff" *handwaves* and return a list of variables to be installed in the scope it's been invoked | 08:47 | ||
| The only difference is that the values are supplied instead of being in the EXPORT's "parent scope". | |||
| Which variables pop into existance and what they contain is the responsability of the EXPORT subroutine. | 08:48 | ||
| masak | yeah, that connection sounds crazy to me :) | 09:03 | |
| Ven` | oh, fair enough :D. | ||
| masak | I'm not sure after writing that issue that a signature binder would be "worth it" | 09:04 | |
| Ven` | It's not like I actually mean "we should implement it in these terms". | ||
| masak | in the sense that (a) we only have a finite, limited set of ways to extend the signature binder, namely those that are already in the issue queue, (b) I have a hard time imagining more, (c) the way the signature binder will have to be set up to be extended already presupposes a lot of knowledge about the way we extend it | 09:06 | |
| Ven` | I've always felt like the signature binder in Perl 6 is not on the right peg (stealing that saying). | ||
| masak | ok. I don't know which peg it's hanging on, actually | 09:07 | |
| Ven` | Well, then maybe I'm mis-stealing the saying :D. The idea, anyway, is that this is a very general pattern-matching need, and you have to use (or abuse) signatures in Perl 6 to get that behavior. | ||
| Though my last experiments of using a signature in a given/when were a few years back by now, I seem to remember it not doing all I had hoped it would. | 09:08 | ||
| masak | aha | ||
| well, it did occur to me that destructuring in variable declarations and in parameter declarations are very similar, to the extent that it'd make sense to have just one single code path | 09:09 | ||
| Ven` | Yup. And it's very much not in Perl 6. | ||
| masak | right | ||
| I'm having the horrible realization that there's years of work here | 09:10 | ||
| Ven` | .oO( Damn you, Damian, for only having 10 years worth of foresight and not 15! ) |
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| masak | which, don't get me wrong, would be lots of fun | ||
| but the fact that it will take a long time and mostly detract from macros-in-Perl-6... | |||
| ...makes me want to put it on the backburner a little | 09:11 | ||
| probably more of a concern for Alma than 007 | |||
| Ven` | Alm-wha? | ||
| ah, ok | |||
| masak | github.com/masak/007/issues/277 | ||
| github.com/masak/alma | 09:12 | ||
| Ven` usually refuses to write Java :) | |||
| masak | I know, Java has that effect on people | 09:13 | |
| not me, though | 09:14 | ||
| Ven` | oh yeah, for sure | 09:15 | |
| masak | I mean, I'm well aware of Java's (many) weaknesses. but it's also a capable language in many ways, and I don't see that acknowledged as much | ||
| Ven` | I was of that opinion too, and then schooled has forced me to write hibernate+spring+... java on Spring Tool Suite for months, and now I refuse to even acknowledge that. | 09:16 | |
| s/schooled/school/ | |||
| masak | yes, understood | 09:17 | |
| oh, and also, good case statements will need destructuring too, so those would also need to be considered as a client | 10:45 | ||
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| Ven` | yeah I need to chek how much Perl 6 allow there when you when a :() sig | 12:41 | |
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