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Set by autrijus on 13 July 2005.
rafl 19:32 < autrijus> is that going to need ghc team's help on ghc 6.4.1, or is it strictly a ghc maintainer's issue in the debian side? 02:23
Amnesiac: I think the ghc team needs to support gcc-4.0 properly. 02:24
Err.
autrijus: I think the ghc team needs to support gcc-4.0 properly.
mugwump still doesn't understand why MMD is a fundamentally different problem to SMD dispatch order 02:30
svnbot6 r5713, putter++ | Added Rule::pattern() to Prelude.pm 02:58
QtPlatypus mugwump: MMD has a larger number of possable matches. 03:00
geoffb OK, so now having caught up on a week of #perl6 backlog, I've got a question or two. 03:03
What is the origin of the 'moose' jokes?
And does anyone know if there is a site (wiki, perhaps) that has lists of "recognized classic" books on various topics of computer science? 03:04
Like Knuth's Art of Computer Programming for mathematical underpinnings, or Foley & van Dam for general computer graphics . . . . 03:05
stevan geoffb: I think "moose" is a private joke between nothingmuch and himself :) 03:07
geoffb I keep seeing people mentioning various books in a way that suggests they are topic classics, but I've never heard of. Which made me think, where do people learn what is good reading, outside of just hearing someone mention them? 03:08
stevan, thx
mugwump QtPlatypus: sure, but SMD also can be ambiguous; in fact in Damian's example I don't see what difference it makes having the first invocant there or not 03:09
nor why changing the program structure in the way that he has, that the results are somehow meaningful 03:10
stevan geoffb: what are you looking for in particular?
what subjects
mugwump: have you ever read/heard about generics functions in CLOS? 03:12
they looks quite interesting 03:13
kind of a weird variant of MMD
mugwump is there enough metamodel there to being prototyping these schemes?
dudley geoffb: I've often asked the same question. If you find some, add them to READTHEM.
geoffb stevan, well let me put it this way -- the bookshelves in my office contain my college textbooks, a few shelves of books on graphics and Perl, and a few more on various technology topics, such as HTML, TCP/IP, 386 assembly, and so on. But really not much in the well rounded theory area.
stevan mugwump: you mean the MMD stuff? I have no been following the discussion
mugwump right. Well, let me try 03:14
Luke is primarily concerned about the empty subclass test. ie, deriving a class should not change which subs get called due to dispatch order weighting
stevan mugwump: please do it as an extension to the metamodel right now
I am in the throws of a refactor
mugwump sure ... this is 10,000 mile stuff
geoffb Basically I'd like to be able to get a list of CS books that I could work through and have a pretty good grounding in most of CS, beyond just the stuff I *need* for work and hobbies. Type Theory for instance (though of course this is one that READTHEM probably already covers) 03:15
stevan geoffb: what type of theory?
geoffb: I used to buy old computer books off ebay
got many "classics" for really cheap
but it all depends on what you are interested in
mugwump Damian's position appears to be that this Manhattan distance metric, which weighs up the "best" one to call based on lots of factors, but this includes the number of specialisations
stevan geoffb: also, many of the classics are not as valid as they used to be
mugwump ... is the best of them. and he claims to have done his homework 03:16
geoffb stevan, cost is always annoying with CS books, but the bigger issue is just knowing what's worth reading, and what's crap.
stevan for instance the "dragon" book on compiler design is a good book, but outdated
geoffb: thats whats great about the ebay thing, I got some really good stuff for cheap and some real crap for just as cheap 03:17
geoffb stevan, point taken of course, but some books become "classics" the first year they are in print. A modern dragon book would be a wonderful thing.
mugwump however, including the number of specialisations as a metric sounds like it breaks the "empty subclass" test, but Damian is adamant that the alternatives do, too. I tried hard and don't follow it.
End of summary.
stevan mugwump: I will read the thread if I get a chance
geoffb (And while I'm wishing, it would be good to know which books were better in older editions than new ones, which sadly applies to a few in my library) 03:18
Anyway, I can't imagine that this hasn't been asked and answered thousands of times already . . . it's just a matter of finding the site that recorded everyone's collective book wisdom. 03:19
stevan geoffb: a great cheap way to learn some of this stuff is to hunt down papers on the net
geoffb: if you give me a topic list, I can try to compile something for you based on what I have and know
it by no means comprehensive knowledge, but I can tell you what I know/like 03:20
geoffb I don't even know the topics I'm missing. :-) But how about this. I'll list the ones I have and consider classic, and you can do the same, and we'll compare and maybe feed to READTHEM. 03:21
stevan ok
geoffb Compilers: The dragon book (yes, I know, dated): Aho, Sethi, Ullman: Compilers: Principles, Techniques, and Tools 03:22
Queueing Theory: Tanner: Practical Queueing Analysis 03:23
Algorithm Implementation: Sedgewick: Algorithms in C (1st Ed.) 03:24
Team/project management: McConnell: Rapid Development
Cryptography: Schneier: Applied Cryptography 03:25
stevan Practical Cryptography is a good one too
I think that is also schiener
geoffb Mathematical Basis of CS: Knuth: Art of Computer Programming
Assembly Language Thinking: Abrash: Zen of Assembly Language and Zen of Code Optimization (details are dated, but concepts less so) 03:26
stevan yuk assmebly :P 03:27
geoffb Graphics Intro: Foley, van Dam, Feiner, Hughes: Computer Graphics: Principles and Practice
stevan Concurrent Programming in Erlang # totally changed how I think of programming
stevan is trying to recall from his head since he is upstairs and the books are down 03:28
geoffb Graphical Design: Tufte: The Visual Display of Quantitative Information
:-)
stevan Tufte Rules :)
geoffb Game Design: Koster: A Theory of Fun for Game Design 03:29
stevan The Pattern on the Stone : Daniel Hillis # not just CS, but really interesting stuff
The Invisible Computer : Donald Norman
geoffb Computer Architecture: Hennessey and Patterson: Computer Architecture: A Quantitative Approach
stevan The Humane Interface : Jef Raskin # chages the way I think about UIs 03:30
ML for the Working Programmer : Paulson # I am still working my way through this book
geoffb Raw Unix Coding: Stevens: Advanced Programming in the UNIX Environment 03:31
stevan The Pragmatic Programmer # a modern classic IMO
geoffb TCP/IP Fundamentals: Comer & Stevens: Internetworking with TCP/IP
stevan ANSI Common Lisp : Paul Graham
geoffb: I was going to say that one too :)
geoffb TPP: agreed
heh
stevan Smalltalk 80: Golberg and Robinson # a must have for understanding pure OO 03:32
jdv79 you guys opening a library or something?
stevan :) 03:33
geoffb Advanced C++: Meyers: Effective C++/More Effective C++ (these books actually are why I won't program in C++ :-)
jdv79, see scrollback
Pragmatism: Bentley: Programming Pearls and More Programming Pearls 03:34
jdv79 oh wow - put it on a wiki
geoffb Regex: Friedl: Mastering Regular Expressions 03:35
jdv79, READTHEM at a minimum, Wiki if someone knows a good place. :-)
stevan Reusable Software : The Base Object-Oriented Component Libraries : Bertrand Meyer # this book is really really really good book about writing good large scale APIs
stevan has to take the dog out, bbiab 03:36
geoffb stevan, nod 03:37
mugwump ?eval my @suggestions=<this that t'other>; {any($_)&all($_)}(@suggestions)
evalbot6 't\'other'
geoffb Perl 5 & Networking: Stein: Network Programming with Perl
It's sad how many books on my shelf I haven't actually read enough of to make a good recommendation 03:38
Perl 5 Stretching: Dominus: Higher-Order Perl and Conway: Object Oriented Perl 03:39
Numerical Analysis: Conte and De Boor: Elementary Numerical Analysis: An Algorithmic Approach 03:41
stevan The Art of the MetaObject Protocol # just came today, but I can already tell it will be a classic
ok, thats as good as I can do for now, more later &
geoffb stevan++ # thanks for your input! 03:42
geoffb has more than a half dozen books on firewalls and internet security and can't remember which ones were any good . . . .
#haskell has a few suggestions (perhaps already covered in READTHEM): 03:49
Abelson, Sussman, Sussman: Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs
Pierce: Types and Programming Languages 03:50
Fowler: Analysis Patterns 03:51
"Richard P. Gabriel's writings for software engineering" 03:53
Van Roy & Haridi: Concepts, Techniques, and Models of Computer Programming 03:55
This is getting interesting . . . The shapr on #haskell has given me a number of places to look for lists . . . so now I'm chasing those . . . . 04:16
Hmmm, I've now gone from a lack of info to an embarrasment of riches. 04:23
What I need now is to categorize 04:24
geoffb ruminates and masticates thoughtfully 04:25
dudley I was already complaining about the size of my books-to-read stack. This certainly isn't helping. 04:33
geoffb heh. And it will get worse.
All though I think categorization and some mild prioritization will help
dudley considers growing an extra head
geoffb and believe me, I KNOW HOW YOU FEEL
castaway You need my virtuallibrary site.. ;) 04:51
geoffb castaway, do tell 04:53
castaway well its still in the making.. but the point is a site where you can list your own library, look at those of others, discuss books / categories of books, add notes to items, create your own categorisations, etc etc 04:54
see theorbtwo.perlmonk.org/kwiki/index.cgi?VBFAQ 04:55
(and I'm looking for helpers, if you want another project to work on ,) 04:58
geoffb like I need a few more things to do . . .
:-)
castaway heh
geoffb I'll think about it, but I've got too much on my plate as it is. 04:59
I am right now actively thinking about great book categorization, so that may be useful to you at some point 05:00
(or not)
castaway cool 05:02
castaway needs more hours in the day to work on this ,) 05:06
geoffb needs more hours in the day period 05:07
castaway indeedy
geoffb is creating a mini-database of information about the "great CS books" he has on hand, to get a feel for categorization and such 05:16
castaway have fun ;) 05:18
geoffb actually, it is.
castaway nods
geoffb And a nice break from harder things. :-)
castaway I'm still squeezing the bugs out of my book importing mechanism :(
its odd, the entire import code fails without telling me why, sticking bits in subs and calling them works fine *sigh* 05:20
geoffb bleah
castaway yeah, its beginning to really annoy me
autrijus greetings Ī» camels 05:34
geoffb greetings, autrijus
coral autrijus: surviving the storm? 05:35
autrijus yup. 05:36
geoffb And there was much rejoicing. :-)
autrijus :)
masak autrijus: is the cyclone still... cycloning? 06:00
masak has no cyclones outside, just regular bad weather 06:01
...ideal for programming
autrijus no... it fizzled now 06:02
which means I get to go outside for food
bbiab
masak i think in everything one does one has the choice to err on the side of being correct or on the side of being pragmatic 07:07
what i like about perl is that the language doesn't make that choice for me 07:08
geoffb oh yes, definitely
masak is programming java presently
java makes that choice for me
geoffb painfully so
masak :(
i can't sneeze in java without unintentionally defining ten classes 07:09
and, oh, tracing the cause of a NullPointerException in the servlet logs is not as exciting as it may sound 07:11
masak likes perl where the errors are mostly caused by bugs, not by language design 07:12
geoffb so agree with you there
08:26 Aankh|Clone is now known as Aankhen``
pasteling Someone at 69.110.115.185 pasted "A concept for finding great" (75 lines, 1.3K) at sial.org/pbot/11869 09:14
geoffb dangit 09:17
castaway, ping
masak neat nopaste 09:18
geoffb well, for anyone who's interested, here's the correct nopaste (that last one was premature):
pasteling "geoffb" at 69.110.115.185 pasted "A concept for finding great books to read" (82 lines, 1.5K) at sial.org/pbot/11870
geoffb thanks, masak 09:19
castaway pong?
geoffb Thought you might be interested in that paste, castaway 09:20
castaway looks
pasteling "geoffb" at 69.110.115.185 pasted "A concept for finding great books to read" (95 lines, 1.9K) at sial.org/pbot/11871 09:21
geoffb oh, forgot to include help text before, see most recent paste
castaway heh. and the code?
geoffb It's ~200 lines of perl 5. 09:22
I'll commit a p6 version hopefully tomorrow, if I'm awake enough.
castaway plus how you get the info in there in the first place :)
geoffb Right now, I'm pretty tired
castaway okiedokie
geoffb YAML. And manual entry. :-)
Book suggestions came from this channel (stevan, mostly), #haskell (shapr), and the c2.com wiki book lists 09:24
many still to be added to the YAML, of course -- I got quite a few suggestions
castaway nifty, anyhoo :) 09:25
geoffb thx.
And a fun few hours of hacking
castaway hopefully that'll be possible on the library when I'm done (sometime next century..)
indeedy
geoffb heh
OK, time to annoy wife by coming to bed at 2:30 AM 09:28
castaway oh, and add in a 'pick one at random' command .)
g'night :)
geoffb castaway++ # good idea!
g'night to you too
09:29 Aragone is now known as Arathorn
pasteling "geoffb" at 69.110.115.185 pasted "The pick command (castaway++)" (42 lines, 808B) at sial.org/pbot/11872 09:36
geoffb Must . . . leave . . . keyboard
castaway heh, get to bed! 09:38
masak geoffb++ # neat program 09:51
nothingmuch this is fun:. 11:55
i have a test suite to run forth code
with ingy's Test::Base
i run it against gforth
when it starts passing I know my tests are OK 11:56
then I switch the backend to harrorth
when they pass again I know harrorth is OK
wilx O_O 11:57
P6 Forth backend?
nothingmuch actually perl 5 forth
but it's only an intermediate impl
i'm really doing forth in haskell
castaway funky!
nothingmuch to learn haskell
castaway you're just crazy :)
nothingmuch and the perl5 one is supposed to help me define the minimal prelude 11:58
such that most of my forth machine is actually written in forth itself
with 3 levels of bootstrapping:
the primitives, which are provided by the system
and then the words to get the ':' and ';' words
they are compiled via a bootstrapper
and then the rest of the prelude words are compiled using ':' and ';' 11:59
castaway: actually I think this is very sane =)
castaway where do you get time to do all this? 12:01
nothingmuch well, i'm babysitting compilations right now 12:05
as the day will progress I will become busier and busier
castaway usually feels quite guilty about fiddling with toy projects at work, even if the work computer is busy.. 12:07
nothingmuch well, i really have nothing to do
when everybody goes home at 20:00-21:00 (hard week), then I can really start working
because they will need results for tomorrow
based on their work today
castaway I see 12:08
stevan morning nothingmuch, castaway :) 12:09
nothingmuch hola stevan
castaway hey stevan 12:10
castaway nudges Limbic 12:12
nothingmuch wow, my forth backend is more complete than I thought =D 12:13
Arathorn wonders if he's got himself caught in a second-degree warnock on p6l
wilx warnock? 12:14
osfameron that sounds like something out of the rules of Mornington Crescent..
Limbic_Region falls over at the nudging, hits the floor, and promptly falls back asleep in a more comfortable position
Arathorn en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warnock
osfameron pushes Limbic_Region down a treacle well 12:15
Arathorn treacle treacle treacle treacle...
stevan Arathorn: which post?
castaway Hrrmm
Arathorn the most recent one from [email@hidden.address] trying to grapple with Larry's commentary on :: 12:16
i'm just being impatient, tho' (or i'm worried that I wrote the mail too late last night for it to make any coherent sense at all ;D)
the most amusing thing about playing Mornington Crescent is how deserted the station is irl... i can only assume that people tend to get caught out in Warnock Dilemmas and Register Alligators in the outer reaches... 12:17
Arathorn waffles off
nothingmuch me reads mail after not having done so for about 24 hrs 12:23
Arathorn nothingmuch: you're sending mails from 24 hours ago, fwiw 12:29
castaway ,) 12:30
nothingmuch ? 12:31
oh, right
postfix died
queue was full
=)
Arathorn ah - fair enough
nothingmuch mutt hasn't finished opening
Arathorn was trying to piece together whether they were just old or misdated
nothingmuch they are old 12:32
i replied to luke, i think
can't remember what else
wilx Huh. 12:59
Could somebody post somewhere some examples of P6 compiled into JS?
I'd really like too see it but I do not have Pugs and I kinda am not able to build it on Windows. 13:00
osfameron tried PxPerl ? 13:01
autrijus posted link to m19s28.vlinux.de/iblech/stuff/not_p...sub.t.html on his journal
Arathorn wilx: m19s28.vlinux.de/iblech/stuff/not_p...el.p6.html
wilx Nope, what is it?
osfameron wilx: PxPerl is a windows binary of Pugs 13:02
FireFox-- # a script on this page is causing Mozilla to run slowly popup
(which you can't cancel)
wilx Yup, same here.
Arathorn i can cancel it, fwiw - but i think iblech has breaking the main CPU-intensive loop into a background thread in his pipeline 13:03
osfameron oh, actually, I can cancel it but then it asks me again 13:04
for fuck's sake, I told you to piss off already you stupid bag of shite
osfameron considers going back to Opera
castaway tsktsk
Opera++
(took 3min40 but didnt complain ,) 13:05
osfameron wilx: PxPerl is at www.pixigreg.com/
Arathorn my opera was miles faster than firefox, weirdly 13:06
(under opera 8)
must see how Safari 2 runs with its new JS engine...
wilx Hmm, it doesn't seem to work, the mandel example, under IE6.
Arathorn works fine for me 13:07
what does the javascript console say?
bear in mind that it'll take a few minutes to draw ;) 13:08
(and IE's buffering's a bit bashful)
nothingmuch omfg, quicksilver is absolutely insane
svnbot6 r5714, iblech++ | * PIL2JS: Renaming: Former PIL2JS.Box.Proxy is now PIL2JS.Box
r5714, iblech++ | to better reflect their behaviours.
r5714, iblech++ | * PIL2JS: Repaired/fully implemented &infix:<=:=>.
r5714, iblech++ | * PIL2JS: my @a = (0, 1, 2); @a[1] = 42 works now (was dieing:
r5714, iblech++ | "cannot modify constant").
r5714, iblech++ | * PIL2JS: Binding improved:
r5714, iblech++ | * "3 := 4" is now a real error (and not a silent JavaScript error).
r5714, iblech++ | * "my $a; my $b := $a; $a := $b" is an error now, too
r5714, iblech++ | ("cannot create a bind cycle").
r5714, iblech++ | * Binding array and hash elems really work now.
nothingmuch if you type a URL, and you ask for it's subitems, it gets the page, takes it apart, and gives you the interesting bits 13:09
without ever opening the browser
Arathorn . o O ( wget -r ) 13:11
nothingmuch o I hear perl6? lambda-the-ultimate.org/node/view/852
Arathorn: quicksilver is like a launchbar thing
you hit a hot key
type some text
and it guesses what item you mean
if it's a URL, you can open it 13:12
or you can view it's subitems in it, by pressing the right arrow
Arathorn ah, cool
nothingmuch do you hav OSX? 13:13
quicksilver.blacktree.com/
Arathorn i have a mac mini buried in my desk somewhere
nothingmuch install it then... it's lots of fun
Arathorn will give it a whirl next time he's feeling fruity :)
nothingmuch i've mapped it to the fn key
when I just press it it launches, if I press and hold it doesn't get in the way 13:14
castaway buried *in* your desk?
osfameron quicksilver and subethaedit are the 2 main reasons I wanted to try OSX
Arathorn yeah, i wanted it for subethaedit and omnigraffle
nothingmuch i tried it a while ago (qs), but it didn't support hebrew
Arathorn (and quartz composer)
nothingmuch now it does
osfameron though I found the rest of it annoying enough that I haven't really bothered
castaway mutters something about SEE
nothingmuch Arathorn: omnigraffle isn't as good as visio (ack) IMHO
not that i've used anything other than these two
Arathorn visio *still* can't do wretched dropshadows
because it's stuck with 1996-vintage GDI
nothingmuch oh, the pretty factor 13:15
i don't know about the looks, i must admit i never really cared
Arathorn well, unfortunately the pretty factor is often quite important for public-facing diagrams
osfameron Visio also sometimes decides that though you explicitly moved smart connectors, it's now going to put them back to its default path-finder algorithm path
Arathorn omnigraffle 4 is a big improvement over 3, too 13:16
(although i don't dispute that visio has much better stencil libraries)
nothingmuch doesn't use those programs often 13:17
i'd rather sketch and scan
svnbot6 r5715, iblech++ | PIL2JS: New file runjs.pl (compiles Perl 6 to JavaScript and runs it): 14:08
r5715, iblech++ | perl5/PIL2JS/runjs.pl t/01/01-tap.t
autrijus iblech: I made runjs.pl happier to invoke 14:25
svnbot6 r5716, autrijus++ | * runjs.pl - allow it to be invoked from any directory,
r5716, autrijus++ | using FindBin.pm to find the location of prelude etc.
r5716, autrijus++ | * Also, `--` is no longer mandatory -- this should Just Work:
r5716, autrijus++ | % perl runjs.pl -e "say 'Hello, World'"
cventers_ ?eval say $?PUGS_VERSION
evalbot6 Perl6 User's Golfing System, version 6.2.8, July 13, 2005 (r5715) bool::true
iblech autrijus: Sure, thanks :)
autrijus iblech++ # idea==>iblech==>code
iblech autrijus: :pil.yaml my %hash = (a => 1) -- look at the context of &infix:<,>, it's TCxtVoid. That's a bug, right? 14:26
autrijus must be a bug, yes
I noticed it a while ago
nothingmuch perl runjs.pl 14:27
that's 3 languages in one system
=D
autrijus is still doing relatively uninteresting PDF::Template hackery for $work 14:29
iblech (tries to) implement context in PIL2JS :) 14:30
autrijus in old parrot, Cxt is an extra implicitly-passed param to each sub 14:31
in new parrot, Cxt is deduced from the signature of the return continuation. 14:32
the new parrot had not yet come to pass, though
but there is a lot in favour of unifying Params and Cxt into the same struct
nothingmuch autrijus: darcs pull harrorth
autrijus Dan likes that, and I think lwall is happy too
nothingmuch: god it 14:33
s/god/got/
nothingmuch autrijus: under mis is a new distribution like thing 14:34
if you feel like playing with Forth, write some tests ;-)
Arathorn morning autrijus: further to lwall's response to my post on p6l, i'm concluding that variables in the default namespace should be $*Main::foo (also can be written as $*::Main::foo and $::('*')::Main::foo - but not as $::Main::foo) - does that sound sane to you?
autrijus Arathorn: yes.
Arathorn woo
autrijus but I agree with lwall that this is very hard to explain ;) 14:35
I'd rather we had used three different symbols :)
Arathorn nods.
especially the assymetry of $::('*::Main')::foo being valid, but $::*::Main::foo being invalid 14:36
and the latter not actually having any welldefined meaning currently
autrijus yeah. I think if you can think of a saner treatment, there's a good chance that it will be adopted
the current situation is messy.
Arathorn hopes that lwall will decree that $::foo is dead, or actually a way of deferencing a type-space object, or just equivalent to $::('foo')
nothingmuch do anonymous classes have a sigil? 14:37
Arathorn having $::foo as an alias for $main::foo as in p5 would be utterly horrible.
autrijus nothingmuch: do anonymous closures have a sigil? 14:38
nothingmuch i don't know
autrijus Arathorn: actually I wouldn't mind it meaning $*Main::foo...
nothingmuch they can either fit in a scalar ($foo) or a function name (my &moose = sub { }), right?
autrijus right.
nothingmuch and in $foo they are a code ref 14:39
autrijus so you can have
my $bar = class {}
or
my ::bar = class {}
nothingmuch and ::bar is a relative namespace, that exists (or rather, is findable) just for the duration of the current scope, right?
autrijus yes.
Arathorn autrijus: but wouldn't $::('foo') being so different to $::foo be *really* counterintuitive?
nothingmuch hmm
autrijus Arathorn: I think $::() is the horrible party. 14:40
nothingmuch what's the clash between :: as a sigil and :: as a namespace separator?
::::somepackage::class?
autrijus nothingmuch: no clash just messy
Arathorn well, the 'correct' way to do it would be to then have :: as a trailing sigil after the interpolation construct, no?
autrijus trailing sigil?
Arathorn i.e. $($foo)::bar (rather than $::($foo)::bar 14:41
nothingmuch ponders a horrible change: the # sigil
Arathorn if that wasn't then completely ambiguous
nothingmuch #class = ...
# class = ... (this is a comment)
doe
s the opaque type have a sigil?
autrijus opaque type? 14:42
nothingmuch yep, an object
you can have a blessed hash ref in an object.
or an opaque
or ...
i assume that $?SELF contains a reference
what is opaque's sigil?
or is it by design unsigillable?
Arathorn ?eval $foo="foo"; $($foo); 14:43
evalbot6 Error: unexpected "(" expecting "::"
autrijus I think it is unsigilable.
?eval $foo="foo"; $::($foo); 14:44
evalbot6 Error: Undeclared variable: "$foo"
autrijus ?eval my $foo="foo"; $::($foo);
evalbot6 \'foo'
autrijus there you go
Arathorn nods
autrijus ?eval my $foo="foo"; say $::($foo);
evalbot6 foo bool::true
nothingmuch what about a unicode sigil?
Arathorn but, what ambiguities would be introduced by using $($foo):: instead?
autrijus nothingmuch: you need an ascii version for it anyway.
nothingmuch goes to look at his pallette
autrijus: $@!^ or something like that ;-)
Arathorn i.e. is $($something) a valid alternative syntax for $$something ? 14:45
autrijus I don't think $@!^ would work.
nothingmuch autrijus: i was just bashing my keyboard, please don't try to parse it =)
autrijus nothingmuch: ah. please keep bad ideas like that to yourself :) 14:46
nothingmuch hehe
autrijus Arathorn: I suspect it can work. at least that's one :: less
nothingmuch we have some unused parenthesis 14:47
Arathorn thing is, that :: is still a prefix for disambiguating PackageNames, right?
nothingmuch āŽ©
Arathorn turning $::($foo) into $($foo):: and ::PackageName into PackageName:: just so that $::foo is free to be $*Main::foo again seems rather wrong :/
nothingmuch ā€° ā€± =)
those two look sigilized
autrijus Arathorn: the thing is that &Foo and ::Foo can both be referred to as Foo 14:48
Arathorn sure
autrijus Arathorn: and as such each need one sigil
also I think the proposal is to turn $::($foo) into $($foo)
::PackageName would still exist as ::PackageName
Arathorn okay - but then you get the contradiction that ::PackageName is a disambiguated package name - but $::PackageName is actually $*Main::PackageName 14:49
which is counterintuitive too.
autrijus yes. now if we adopt the ^ sigil for packages
^PackageName would mean the package
and there is much less ambiguities
Arathorn and :: would only ever be a trailing separator/prefix for typespace
s/prefix/suffix/
(gah)
autrijus ^Foo::Bar then is the Bar type in the Foo namespace 14:50
Arathorn $client on phone - brb
autrijus I don't know, but this might be sane
however it clashes with $^x ;)
autrijus stops speculating about mere sytnax 14:51
Arathorn fumes at $client 14:55
i really like ^ (or something), fwiw 14:56
$Foo="Foo"; ^($Foo)::Bar then makes a whole lot more sense
as does $($Foo)::Bar
and $::foo is free to be $*Main::foo (or perhaps $OUR::foo?) again 14:57
chip anybody around who's familiar with the parameter unpacking rules?
Arathorn will try suggesting an alternative typespace sigil than :: to lwall if his p6l response gets dewarnocked 14:58
chip e.g. sub quicksort ( [ $pivot, *@data ], ?$reverse, ?$inplace ) {...}
nothingmuch what is ... defined as? 14:59
sub &nofix:<...> { die "yada yada" }; # ?
hola chip... how's paypal coming along? 15:00
Arathorn has no clue about parameter unpacking, sorry :/
nothingmuch chip: slightly
chip nothingmuch: Something else to draw donations is pending. I'll give a hint: It's the most powerful force in the universe
autrijus nothingmuch: no, "fail" not "die"
nothingmuch are you going to nuke all your cash to create fusion-dough ? 15:01
autrijus: err, yep... but what about nofix: ?
chip nothingmuch: Is the full parameter semantic available inside the unpacking? sub foo ( [ $a, ?$b, +$c, *%x, *@y ], $foo )
autrijus nothingmuch: it is just a nullary prefix, silly.
nothingmuch autrijus: so how do i write that? sub nullarry:<...> ?
autrijus no
nothingmuch chip: i would think that no
autrijus sub term:<...> {}
see A12
nothingmuch oh
chip nothingmuch: which is NOT to say I don't need the paypal contributions, by the way!
nothingmuch perhaps optionality
but not namedness 15:02
chip nothingmuch: "Help Save The World" by spreading the word
nothingmuch brb, i need to save someone
chip nothingmuch: S6 only shows optionality, so I guess you're right
autrijus chip: unpacking hash gives positional bindings.
err
chip autrijus: hello!
autrijus chip: unpacking an array gives positional bindings.
unpacking a hash gives named bindings. 15:03
I don't think you can have both
chip: hey :)
chip autrijus: are the array and hash bindings required to work left-to-right in the overall function signature?
autrijus: is this legal: sub foo ( [ $x ], ?$y = $x )
autrijus I think it is.
although if you have powerful arguments for disabling it 15:04
then I think lwall will consider that :)
chip well, it's just that name binding is looking less and less like something I want to address. That's just putting a cap on it.
i.e. get_params will probably never be aware of the lexical pad 15:05
autrijus sure. we can deal.
iblech has perl 6 named bindings implemented in JavaScript of all things. ;)
chip autrijus: JS is the flavor of the month, isn't it? *sigh*
autrijus chip: until ctx5 is back to business, I'm afraid nothing much we can do on PIR targetting :) 15:06
Arathorn it's actually kind of cool, though, as complementary to parrot stuff
autrijus "back to business" as in "usurps as the new trunk"
chip Does P6 (or Pugs) have any need to specify the specific PMC to be used for *@a or *%b?
autrijus: I see. Well, I'll be reviewing the differences soon then.
autrijus chip: hm? the user can request a PMC.
sub foo (FooBarArray *@a) {...} 15:07
Arathorn (unless you're planning to persuade macromedia to embed parrot in Flash Player rather than ECMAScript, or persuade M$ to replace JavaScript in IE with it...)
chip sub foo (MyArrayType *@a) ... ?
autrijus I suspect so
I'm fine if you'd like to disallow that too
I don't think it will be used often.
chip It's OK with me if the :slurpy PMC has to be pre-created, but leo's gonna have to change something 15:08
he likes to have the get_params be the very first opcode in the sub. Oops.
autrijus I'm fine with the PMC being dynamically created too.
Khisanth hmm p6 no longer has glob() ... I guess that does get rid of one problem 15:14
Arathorn autrijus: were you surprised by lwall saying that $OUR::foo is the right way to do package MyPackage; $MyPackage::foo="foo"; say $OUR::foo # if you don't happen to know what namespace scope you're currently in 15:17
despite $foo not having been declared as a lexically-scoped global using 'our', but a package-variable style symbol table entry? 15:18
autrijus no, not at all. OUR:: is a hackathon addition.
and it was designed to do that.
Arathorn ah, I was wondering why it wasn't in the AES's at all 15:19
isn't it really weird to put non-lexically-scoped variables in something called OUR::, though? :/
Arathorn was expecting PACKAGENAME:: or ::($?PACKAGENAME):: 15:20
autrijus sure you can also do that.
Arathorn right
Arathorn has a cassandraesque vision of legions of future newbies all doing perl6 -e '{ $*Main::foo = "foo"; } say $OUR::foo' and getting suitably confused about OUR:: including non-lexicals, but 'our' defining lexicals only 15:23
osfameron me has a cassandraesque ision of doing the same thing himself
autrijus purrs. 15:24
osfameron strokes autrijus's ears 15:25
Arathorn . o O ( is that a catbert purr, or a right-now-it's-easier-to-be-feline purr? )
autrijus meows happily
Arathorn: anyway, our's scope is lexical but the thing it points to is packagewide 15:26
whilst my's scope is lexical but the thing it points to is lexical
Arathorn okay, i do understand it correctly then
Arathorn will plaintively try asking that OUR:: gets called PACKAGENAME:: or something if it's going to contain packagewide variables rather than just lexical globals 15:27
in a preemptive strike against the strife of newbies & not-so-newbies to come.
chip wtf is "*Main::" ? 15:28
autrijus chip: it is the new name of main::
I have no idea why larry changed main to Main.
the * indicates toplevelness, that's fine
chip * is toplevel _and_ global? 15:29
autrijus the two are the same thing.
Arathorn *Main is a specialcase shorthard for *::Main
chip autrijus: / is Unix fs toplevel, but / isn't implicitly in everyone's $PATH
Arathorn if that makes it any clearer
chip toplevel isn't automatically global
autrijus chip: right. to clarify: in perl6 "/" is always the end of your $PATH. 15:30
better?
chip clear but disturbing. Grr.
Arathorn which allows most builtins to live in /, presumably
autrijus yes.
which is I presume the idea.
chip: in p5 it's called CORE if I'm not mistaken 15:31
which is sort of like /bin/
chip autrijus: for hysterical raisins, all of CORE::, CORE::GLOBAL::, and UNIVERSAL:: have aspects of * 15:32
autrijus yes.
Arathorn i guess that's why it's been normalised, then..
autrijus I'm aware of the hysterical raisins... that's why we are raised as hystericals...
chip "Why Be Normal"
autrijus "A B Normal"
chip SQL bumper sticker: "Why Be Normalized?" 15:33
Arathorn is a bit askeered of people going and using $Main::foo, and then getting royally shot in the foot if they happen to be enclosed in another namespace scope called Main
chip Arathorn: well, anybody who creates a namespace C<My::Own::Main> is just asking for trouble anyway. 15:34
Arathorn true.
peeps will prolly all go and use $Main::foo and forget about it, then - and it does make sense to ucfirst main, to fit in with all the other ucfirst typespace names 15:35
Arathorn is perfectly normal... orthogonal, in fact :/ 15:39
Arathorn sighs and returns to actionscript-infused $work :|
integral hmm, why Main and not MAIN? 15:40
autrijus because p6 refuses to use ALLCAPS... 15:41
Arathorn are there any uc'd typespace identifiers in p6?
autrijus not afaics
integral autrijus: except for MY, CALLER, OUR, etc I thought?
Arathorn Capitalised Nouns look more teutonic and reliable, whereas SHOUTING looks like COBOL..
oh, true.
(but they're really-really-special-cases, whereas Main is just another normal package scope?) 15:42
autrijus integral: those are pseudopackages
you can't enter them 15:43
package MY; # boom
integral ah
autrijus package Main; # just fine
integral so it's not just a tied package? :-P
autrijus mmm tied package ;) 15:46
pasteling "putter" at 66.30.119.55 pasted "[PATCH] parrot: creates t/p6rules/rx_grammar.t" (76 lines, 3.4K) at sial.org/pbot/11880 15:48
autrijus putter: ? 15:49
putter Hi all. Could someone with parrot commit bits add sial.org/pbot/11880 ? Thanks. All PGE's tests are passing... can't have that...
rx_grammar.t is a failing (as in segfault) test. 15:50
It's an incomplete grammar for p6 regexps. Once it runs, PGE will give us a regexp parse tree in the form of a Match tree.
Which can then be used to generate... whatever. 15:51
Sound plausible? 15:52
autrijus yes. are you on irc.perl.org #parrot? 15:54
if not, try bringing it there to chip+leo and ask for a commit bit
:)
(chip is here in #perl6; leo isn't)
putter Not at the moment. Tried there last night, but (almost) noone around, and nothing seems to have happened.
autrijus oh. it's at this moment a very happening place :) 15:55
putter desperately trying to avoid having a parrot commit bit again. silly, I know.
ok, will try there now. tnx. 15:56
autrijus np :) 15:57
Limbic_Region moon.google.com/ # maximum magnification for a chuckle 16:12
putter putter maligned PGE. fixed grammar works! :) backporting to rules... 16:16
autrijus nice! 16:21
stevan hola autrijus 16:45
question on the metamodel bootstrapping when you have a sec 16:46
putter spoke too soon... (wasn't entering grammar at root) looks like there is still a pge issue... 16:47
stevan hey putter :)
autrijus sure... I'm chipping with chip in #parrot about the insanity of by-value Pair binding 16:48
you know, the one that makes for %h.pairs -> $_ { ... } broken
stevan fun
autrijus (my proposal on p6l (subj: Strange interaction between pairs and named binding) is that untyped Block params should be Any not Item) 16:49
supports welcome
stevan with Any it allows for Pair right? 16:51
in that case
so, I was trying to represent ::Method and ::Attribute objects in the metamodel 16:52
autrijus yes.
ok
stevan but this of course presents a metacircularity issue 16:53
autrijus right
stevan but I am thinking maybe that doesnt make sense, maybe those should be pseudo-primatives anyway
autrijus I think the question boils down to how much datatypes you want out of your host 16:54
s/much/many/
and what their (static, never extended) methods are
stevan ok 16:55
because I have boiled Perl6::Object down to meta(), can(), isa() and AUTOLOAD
meta to return the meta object
can just dispatches to AUTOLOAD
and so does isa
autrijus right. 16:56
stevan and AUTOLOAD just catches method invocation
autrijus you need host to provide function calls with invocant
for ::Method
yup
stevan ok, well I think I will hold off on any more bootstrapping until I read more of book 16:57
autrijus cool. nice to see you have timeslices for your work -- i.e. reading the book :) 16:59
stevan yes, but $work is getting a little CPU starved ;)
iblech Hm... Test::is's signature is: (Str $got, Str $expected, Str +$desc, +$todo, +$depends) 17:09
But, according to S06, args which have a "+" in front of them (i.e. $desc) may *only* be passed by name
autrijus aye.
so drop the + 17:10
:)
iblech :) PIL2JS found a bug :)
autrijus good :)
stevan what is the current layout for sub types? Sub is Code is Block? 17:12
iblech Both Block and Sub are Code, I think 17:13
But Sub is not a Block
stevan ok
so Code is an executable chuck of expressions and statements
and sub is a named version of that 17:14
and Block is unnamed
does that sound right?
autrijus no.
iblech No, subs can be unnamed to (sub ($foo) {...})
stevan ah yes
autrijus you can't return from a Block.
that's the primary difference :)
stevan slaps forhead
autrijus everything else is secondary.
stevan ok
iblech Well you can't, but you'll return from the surrounding Sub, right?
autrijus yup.
and the main program thing is Code 17:15
but not Block nor Sub
so you can't write
pugs -e '&?BLOCK(...)'
stevan now what about parameters, does Sub has-a Parameters? 17:16
autrijus no, Code has-a Params
actually I think it's called Signature 17:17
stevan ah yes, parameterized blocks
ok
autrijus even bare can be parameterised.
$_ and $^x
stevan so the Signature is comprised of Params, Returns 17:18
anything else?
autrijus actually I'll say that 17:19
Code has-a two slots
both of Signature type
one is the Signature it accepts, $.params
one is the Signature it returns, $.returns
but if you unify them into a single Singature type I'm fine with that too. 17:20
if so, then
class Signature { has ($.params, $.returns) is Array of Param;} 17:21
they are isomorphic so both is fine
stevan ok 17:22
I am going to rough this stuff out
autrijus woot
stevan nothingmuch: and I might work on MMD this weekend
I am a virtual participant in the Tel-Aviv Hackathon :)
all this MMD arguing and nobodys got any code to show 17:23
wolverian you _can_ return from a Block, it's just not called returning, right?
stevan I figure a prototype is in order
autrijus wolverian: right it's called leaving.
iblech wolverian: Yes. &leave returns from the innermost block
wolverian yay, for once I remembered something right :) 17:24
oh, I might have tuits today to code URI more
putter hey stevan :)
stevan ok, I am going to take my metamodel break from $work now thanks autrijus, iblech :) 17:25
hey putter
autrijus :) 17:26
iblech What should happen if I return() inside a try block? -- sub foo { try { return }; say "still there" }; foo() -- Should "still there" be printed or not? 17:28
autrijus nope, a return is a return.
wolverian no, that's a bare block.
lightstep some languages model returns as exceptions 17:29
iblech Ok. Pugs has that wrong then
lightstep: For example PIL2JS :)
wolverian is try { } a statement?
autrijus and PIL2PIR :)
no, try is ordinary sub 17:30
wolverian oh. hm. why? since we have the neat do syntax now :)
autrijus because eval{} was expr.
svnbot6 r5717, iblech++ | * Test: Changed various +$foos in sub signatures to ?$foos. Tests now have an
r5717, iblech++ | actual chance of passing.
r5717, iblech++ | * PIL2JS: Beginning of context handling:
r5717, iblech++ | * All subs take a PIL2JS.Context object as first parameter.
r5717, iblech++ | * When calling native functions, the context object obviously has to be
r5717, iblech++ | * excluded.
r5717, iblech++ | * PIL2JS: Better error messages (thanks to new variable $CUR_SUBNAME),
r5717, iblech++ | beginning of callchain support.
autrijus iblech: the thing is try{} should catch error exception not control exceptions 17:31
but pugs's try{} currently catches both.
wolverian autrijus, and I always hated it for being an expr. :) am I really the only one?
iblech autrijus: Right.
rindolf Hi all!
autrijus greetings rindolf.
PerlJam hello rindolf
rindolf autrijus: hi
autrijus wolverian: I don't hate it
rindolf perlbot: hi
perlbot hi rindolf
rindolf nothingmuch: here?
PerlJam: hi.
wolverian autrijus, it just feels inconsistent, both in perl5 and 6. 17:32
I know you're not who I should be complaining to :)
autrijus nods and points to the implementation monkey hat
wolverian has this been specced and put in stone yet? 17:33
autrijus yes and yes :)
putter tries to picture the implementation monkey hat...
autrijus but stones have half life of 7 days on p6l.
Khisanth putter: it's very ugly :) 17:34
putter :)
wolverian autrijus, was it on p6l? I just want to read the thread :)
autrijus wolverian: no, i mean in syn
wolverian ah. thanks. reading now.
autrijus not sure about p6l.
autrijus posts a strange patch on p6c ;) 17:40
PerlJam indeed. 17:41
autrijus it is, however, I think neccessary.
PerlJam don't want to answer that question?
or denying that it's frequently asked?
autrijus I don't think it's answerable by me
if @Larry has an updated answer, that's cool 17:42
wolverian hmm. I decided it's probably not an issue, since all blocks can have CATCH, and it's just consistent with do { }
autrijus but the current answer is bad :)
PerlJam Well, what was there was a pretty good guess (maybe). But someone should post the real answer.
autrijus as in, actively bad.
huh, Q3 2005 release a good guess, based on the incoherent 2004 synopses?
that's probably not a good guess :)
it might be, not anymore. 17:43
PerlJam autrijus: sure it was. p6 devel has come a long way making the Q3 2005 seem even more likely
(the key word is "seem" ;-)
autrijus Q3 2005 is in 2 months away :) 17:44
and pugs was never based on the 2004 synopses :)
PerlJam Look mister miracle worker, don't tell me you don't believe in miracles ;)
autrijus nah. it says the 6.0.0 production compiler
which is beyond my control anyway, and I don't think pugs can make it in 2 months. 17:45
PerlJam Pm has told me several times that he's still targetting a Q3 2005 release for the first alpha perl6 compiler. (I keep telling him that he's crazy though)
autrijus (neither was that the goal.)
Pm's compiler can't yet parse nested expressions.
so, not likely :)
PerlJam Well, next time I ask him. I'll be sure to remind him of the insanity again ;) 17:46
autrijus (I'm talking about the expression parser that is yet to be finished)
integral pm has a compiler?
PerlJam Pm's problem is another one of those N > 1 masters again.
autrijus integral: well, a plan for one, based on PGE and a shift/reduce bottom-up parser. 17:47
languages/punie/ is a prototype compiler based on that approach
integral ah, I thought you meant he was beyond that :-)
oh, punie uses that stuff? neato :-)
PerlJam autrijus: he has an actual implementation that does ... stuff (I'm not sure as he hasn't shown it to me beyond the first baby steps a while ago)
autrijus yeah. except the s/r parser isn't available
so it can't handle 1+2+3 yet. 17:48
PerlJam: right, I saw that in hackathon, but at that time it can't handle parens.
so maybe 1+2+3 but not 1+(2+3).
PerlJam heh
autrijus in any case... to go from that to full production 6.0.0 compiler in 2 months time is. well. er.
PerlJam well, I'll continue to prod Pm and be optimistic anyway :)
autrijus :) 17:49
anyway, I don't think it's fair to put the Q3 time pressure on pm.
PerlJam pm built a full fledged pascal compiler with optimizations in about 4 days when he was a grad student.
autrijus which is part of the reason why I submitted that patch.
not using parrot tools :) 17:50
PerlJam granted.
autrijus and my position was always that that was the critical bottleneck.
PerlJam If we could just nail down that parrot flux, we'd be good
autrijus but anyway... that's neither here or there.
PerlJam hatches a plan to prod chip now ;-) 17:51
autrijus the thing is that promising the 2004 snapshot is actively harmful :)
and Q3 2005 is equally actively harmful.
PerlJam yeah, I agree with you. I'm just being ornery
autrijus :)
lightstep why not always promise to deliver in the next quarter? like todo_ in pugs 17:52
autrijus todo_ in pugs never carries a time promise... 17:53
PerlJam lightstep: why not promise to deliver it by some future unspecified christmas?
autrijus right.
"Perl 6 will be announced by Christmas."
"we reserve the right of deciding which Christ."
Arathorn lol 17:54
PerlJam I like Simon's likening the "by christmas" release to the second coming 17:57
(though a tad depressing when you think about it)
autrijus suppresses an inappropriate multiorgasmic joke.
PerlJam heh 17:58
so *that's* what they were talking about wrt MMD!
;-)
chip well, I *do* experience a little death whenever I read the Perl 6 documents 17:59
Arathorn rushes an answer to p6l about wretched namespace hierarchis and sprints to frisbee 18:00
18:00 Arathorn is now known as Aragone
stevan suppresses equally inappropriate crucifixion jokes 18:00
autrijus sigh, need to wake up early for $work tomorrow too 18:32
autrijus skips journal for tonight and sleeps 18:33
autrijus waves &
putter &
mj41 Synopsis 2 : for *$handle :prompt('$ ') { say $_ + 1 } .. is it correct? or =$handle ? 18:38
putter ? 18:49
stevan putter, iblech: care to take a look at my first draft of Code/Sub objects? 18:50
putter sure... 18:52
svnbot6 r5718, Stevan++ | Perl6::MetaModel - first rough cut at Sub/Code/Block, Signature objects
stevan perl5/Perl6-MetaModel/t/80_Code.t 18:53
putter keeps forgetting how breathtakingly _large_ the regexp language has become...
stevan: it looks vaguely plausible to me. I'm sure others could give better feedback - I haven't looked closely at p6 call semantics (except to worridly note that it seems to be one corner where p6 is not following the policy "be powerful enough to subsume everything anyone else is doing"). 19:05
progress! 19:06
stevan putter: ok 19:07
it does not need to be the "true" version, but just enough to prototype some MMD stuff
putter k
stevan so vaguely plausible is good :) 19:08
putter :)
it will be sooooo nice to have objects. 19:09
mmm, mmd prototype... stevan++ 19:12
iblech stevan: re. Looks sane :) Questions: 19:17
In the introduction, you speak of $.params and $.returns, but in the actual code there's only one signature 19:18
And you'll need an own &return later (i.e. not Perl 5's one), right? 19:19
And BTW, the code is very readable :) 19:21
stevan iblech: $.returns is :todo :) 19:24
not entirely sure how to procede with that
my thought is to capture the return value, check it's container_type against wantarray maybe 19:25
iblech: yes, I think in some ways I need to own return 19:26
but I am blurring over those details for now ;)
kolibrie um, should $canidate be spelled $candidate? 19:28
stevan kolibrie: it is a special case of candidate :) 19:29
kolibrie :)
just nit-picking, like iblech says, your code is very readable
stevan thanks 19:30
yeah, my spelling is pretty bad, I blame it on Phonics :)
is svn.openfoundry.org/pugs/src/Pugs/Types/Code.hs relevant? 19:31
or is something else used?
19:49 shantanoo is now known as dhoomketu
cventers_ ?eval class bob { }; 19:52
evalbot6 undef
cventers_ odd
pugs> class bob { }; 19:53
'Perl6 User\'s Golfing System, version 6.2.8, July 13, 2005 (r5718)'
20:00 dhoomketu is now known as shantanoo
svnbot6 r5719, putter++ | Another cm of progress on the Perl6::Rx grammar. Quite a way to go. Failing PGE test submitted to parrot. 20:06
putter & 20:08
Aankhen`` goes to sleep. 20:29
G'night.
svnbot6 r5720, Stevan++ | Perl6::Sub - more tests and refactoring
chip Anybody know if the AES docs are state of the art on colons and MMD?
geoffb chip, I don't know, but I find it highly unlikely they are, since there have been discussions here over the past days about both, 20:32
and I gather that has leaked to p6l (though I don't sub to the lists yet)
iblech stevan: re. Ok then :) /me looks forward of integrating Perl6-MetaModel into PIL2JS :) 20:34
svnbot6 r5721, iblech++ | * Usual svn properties. 20:35
r5721, iblech++ | * "sub foo { try { return }; say 42 }" should return from &foo and not print
r5721, iblech++ | 42, added a test for this bug to t/builtins/control_flow/try.t (FWIW, PIL2JS
r5721, iblech++ | behaves correctly :)).
r5721, iblech++ | * Pugs.Compile -- Emit &prefix:<*> for Syn "*" so I can implement *(...) in PIL2JS.
r5721, iblech++ | * PIL2JS: Fixed &die (but it's actually a bug in Pugs' Parser, will write a
r5721, iblech++ | test tomorrow). 20:36
r5721, iblech++ | * PIL2JS: New builtins: &Code::arity, &Array::push, &Array::shift, &try,
r5721, iblech++ | &statement_control:<for> (works with n-ary subs)
r5721, iblech++ | * Updated PIL2JS/README and added PIL2JS to pugs::hack.
iblech Night all :)
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