6.2.10 released! xrl.us/hxnb | geoffb's column (/. ed): xrl.us/hxhk | pugscode.org | pugs.kwiki.org | paste: paste.lisp.org/new/perl6 or sial.org/pbot/perl6 | www.geeksunite.net Set by integral on 25 October 2005. |
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ingy | autrijus: I'll get it shortly! | 00:14 | |
seen autrijus | 00:20 | ||
jabbot | ingy: autrijus was seen 1 hours 47 minutes 16 seconds ago | ||
ingy | autrijus: are there any completely new docs? | ||
geoffb | ingy, did you already have S17? | 00:22 | |
Man, this code optimization blog series is going way longer than I expected: www.oreillynet.com/pub/wlg/8260 | 00:24 | ||
Ah well, at least I'm not running low on topics. :-) | |||
It will be nice when I get done with this series, though, and get back to Perl-specific stuff. | |||
ingy | geoffb: I have it now | 00:38 | |
Perl6-Bible-0.22.tar.gz (The Halloween Edition) on the ether to CPAN now... | |||
geoffb | ingy++ | 00:39 | |
ingy | :) | ||
gantrixx | is there anyone here from Phoenix? | 01:58 | |
amos | maybe! | 02:00 | |
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theorbtwo thinks azuroth_tafe is being testy. | 02:01 | ||
(If you will foregive the foregoing pun.) | 02:02 | ||
gantrixx | well if you are from arizona and are looking for a job, msg me privately | ||
azuroth_tafe | no, but I'd like a job anyway . . . ;-p | 02:03 | |
gantrixx | is autrijus here? | 02:04 | |
I did get a company interested in using Perl6 | |||
unfortunately, they are interested now | |||
they want to rewrite a bunch of Perl5 stuff to Perl6 | |||
azuroth_tafe | that's very cool | 02:07 | |
Khisanth | just not very practical :) | 02:12 | |
rep | isn't it a bit premature | ||
azuroth_tafe | they don't need to start _using_ it straight away though, right? | 02:33 | |
gantrixx | actually yes they want to start using it | 03:08 | |
they thought that Perl5 didn't have multithreading and Perl6 did | |||
actually Perl5 does have it, I'm just not that familiar with it | |||
I did tell them that Perl6 would be a worth while endevor but not until an activestate distrobution is ready | 03:09 | ||
they use perl-win32 | |||
OK, I have to log off now. the kids have stopped comming begging for candy | 03:10 | ||
I'm going to bed | |||
azuroth_tafe | gg | 04:28 | |
svnbot6 | r7805 | eric256++ | added doc links to two tests. | 04:52 | |
r7805 | eric256++ | Added doc link to slurp.t | |||
r7805 | eric256++ | Doc linkes for a few OO tests. | |||
geoffb | Apparent bug in 'make register': My PARROT_PATH ends in 'svk/parrot-trunk'. 'make register' dies with an error from ghc-pkg about '.../svk/parrot doesn't exist or isn't a directory'. Something breaking the directory at the hyphen, I'd guess. | 07:05 | |
morning, nothingmuch | 07:39 | ||
nothingmuch | morning | ||
geoffb | How's life on your side of the planet? | 07:40 | |
nothingmuch is doing some catalyst stuff | 07:54 | ||
as opposed to pugs | |||
someone was needed to fix sessions up | |||
geoffb | ah | 07:55 | |
Fun at least? | |||
nothingmuch | sorry | 09:20 | |
geoffb: yes, pretty fun | |||
shlemiel the painter | |||
oops | |||
damn clipboard | |||
(that was from a reply to stevan, if anyone cares, on p6l) | 09:21 | ||
dev.catalyst.perl.org/repos/Catalys...n-Session/ | |||
gaal | anyone know a Windows equivalent to strace? | 09:32 | |
misc | gaal: see sysinternals.com , maybe they have something ? | 09:34 | |
gaal | didn't find anything there, but now checking out www.bindview.com/Services/RAZOR/Uti...readme.cfm | 09:35 | |
sysinternals.com++ #general rockitude | |||
hmmm the bindview strace has a few serious downsides. I think I'll pass for now :/ | 09:36 | ||
sky__ | an | 10:45 | |
yawn | |||
rafl_ | Is generating the prelude broken currenylt? | 11:02 | |
svnbot6 | r7806 | autrijus++ | * Wendy's notes of what can hopefully become PA02 that is accessible to nonjargon audiences | 12:13 | |
autrijus | rafl_: nopaste the error? | 12:21 | |
sadly I need to run off to amsterdam.pm meeting in a couple mins | 12:22 | ||
will checkback iff find wireless | |||
(journal updated) | |||
& | |||
theorbtwo wonders who Wendy is. | 12:27 | ||
rafl_ | autrijus: make realclean fixed it. | 12:43 | |
theorbtwo | Oh, to answer my own question: Liz's housemate. | 12:45 | |
nothingmuch | hola | 13:09 | |
theorbtwo | Hola, Yuval. | 13:17 | |
comet_ | morning | 13:23 | |
Juerd | 13:27 < autrijus> sadly I need to run off to amsterdam.pm meeting in a couple mins | 14:07 | |
Ohhh, thanks for the reminder | |||
I was living with the notion of today being monday. | |||
theorbtwo: Liz's wife | |||
theorbtwo | Oh, I didn't realize she was married. Or a lesbian. | 14:08 | |
Juerd | I | 14:12 | |
I knew the latter, the former only when reading Wendy's site :) | |||
theorbtwo | Oddly, I seem to recall a dutch lesbian couple hanging out on the CB around the time Liz was there, but I don't recal Liz being in it. | 14:14 | |
How many lesbian dutch perl monks are there? | 14:15 | ||
stevan | theorbtwo: deep down, I think we are all dutch lesbians | 14:18 | |
svnbot6 | r7807 | stevan++ | Perl6::ObjectSpace - cleaning up some details, making the bootstapping tools easier to use, therefore making the code easier to read as well | ||
stevan | autrijus: ping # have some YARV thoughts when you get back | ||
theorbtwo | Thank you, stevan, for finally giving a punchline. | 14:20 | |
stevan | theorbtwo: :) | ||
Juerd | 15:23 < stevan> theorbtwo: deep down, I think we are all dutch lesbians | 14:27 | |
++ | |||
rotflol. | |||
theorbtwo: I have no idea. | |||
theorbtwo: They're the only two dutch female perl programmers I know, even | |||
But then, I really don't know any dutch perl programmers except those I met at amsterdam.pm | 14:28 | ||
stevan | Juerd: maybe you should take a poll at the meeting :) | ||
Juerd | stevan: "Are you dutch and lesbian?" | 14:30 | |
stevan | Juerd: well I think you can probably assume the dutch part | ||
Juerd | autrijus will be at the meeting, and isn't dutch. I hope he's not lesbian, though, because that'd mean my gender guessing skills are WAY off :) | 14:31 | |
stevan | Juerd: you mean, you didnt know? | ||
Juerd | Why does this subject intruige you so much, by the way? :) | ||
stevan: haha | |||
stevan | Juerd: it doesn't really,.. just a slow morning @work :) | 14:32 | |
Juerd | It'd be fun, though, if there were any relation between sexual preference and programming language of choice | ||
I myself am gay | |||
stevan is avoiding writing a proposal for a client | |||
Juerd | Is Perl a gay language? Many PHP coders seem to think so... | ||
stevan thinks PHP is for transgender bestiality freaks | 14:33 | ||
Juerd: Lambdas are gay (www.lambda.org/) | 14:34 | ||
xinming | If there were any relation between sexual preference and programming language... I should choose programming language after my preference is finished. :-P | ||
hmm, anyone here knows why iblech didn't come here for now? | 14:36 | ||
stevan | xinming: he usually has the iblechbot log the channel,. and I think he backlogs | 14:37 | |
he is also still in school,.. | |||
xinming | Oh, I just wish to have a conversation with him on a test. | 14:38 | |
Limbic_Region | I would be more interested in a correlation between preferred language and preferred hobbies then in sexual orientation | ||
but I guess that's because I already have a mate and am just looking for a pal ;-) | 14:39 | ||
Juerd | Limbic_Region: I think sexual orientation has a lot to do with hobby... :) | ||
stevan | Juerd++ :) | ||
my name is stevan, like proramming in perl, long walks on the beach and reading sci-fi novels | 14:40 | ||
Limbic_Region | Juerd - maybe so but I don't really care about the sexual orientation aspect. Only if they enjoy the same things I do | ||
Juerd | Yes, enjoying the same things is important for sex too. | ||
Limbic_Region hasn't had too many gay men fall for him to make it a problem of avoidance | |||
s/problem/reason/ | 14:41 | ||
Limbic_Region is in the process of reviving the currently defunct local PerlMongers group | |||
xinming | ?eval class a { has $.a; method update { $.a; } };class b { has $.a; submethod BUILD { a.new( a => $.a ).update; }; }; b.new( a => 20 ); | 14:42 | |
evalbot_7807 | Error: No compatible subroutine found: "&update" | ||
xinming | hmm, Ok, I will ask here anyway. | ||
Is my example cause recursively method calls? | |||
stevan thinks people might be more likely to go to a perlmongers meeting if it involved sex | |||
Juerd | ... | 14:43 | |
xinming | hmm, indirectly... | 14:44 | |
Just wish to my test better... | |||
s/to/to make/ | 14:45 | ||
:-S why If I ask this question... all people are becoming quiet? :-/ | 14:49 | ||
stevan | ?eval class a { method update { 'foo' } }; a.new().update(); | 14:52 | |
evalbot_7807 | "foo" | ||
stevan | ?eval class a { method update { 'foo' } }; a.new().update; | ||
evalbot_7807 | "foo" | ||
xinming | but for the indirect class instance creation... It will get the problem. | 14:53 | |
with class name and attribute which are the same... | |||
stevan | xinming: what do you want b.new() to return? | ||
xinming | if you change class name a -> A, and b -> B, the problem will go. | 14:54 | |
stevan | ok | ||
xinming | stevan: returns nothing, Just create a instance and call a method from other class, and return. | ||
stevan | xinming: this will (hopefully) be fixed with the metamodel | 14:55 | |
xinming | stevan: Yeah, I know, I want to know if the test is finished right now, or after the bug is fixed. :-) | 14:56 | |
when should I finish the test. | 14:57 | ||
stevan | xinming: commit the breaking test,.. | ||
it will encourage people to fix it :) | |||
xinming | stevan: It's already there. | ||
pugs/t/pugsbugs/class_name_and_attribute_name_confliction.t | |||
ycheng | /join #sx | 14:59 | |
theorbtwo | Can you change confliction to conflict? | 15:00 | |
xinming | theorbtwo: well, do as you wish, as my English is poor. :-/ | 15:01 | |
sorry for my poor English | |||
theorbtwo | Your english is /far/ better then my Chinese. | 15:02 | |
xinming | theorbtwo: that makes no sense on comparing English with Chinese... vice versa... As I still have to learn.. :-) | 15:03 | |
obra | seen luqui | 16:04 | |
jabbot | obra: luqui was seen 1 days 12 hours 37 minutes 54 seconds ago | ||
eric256 | anyone know the name of a web based linux config tool? i always forget its name ;( | 16:18 | |
xinming | eric256: webadmin? | 16:19 | |
PerlJam | eric256: try typing "web based linux config tool" into google. | ||
xinming thinks webadmin might be the most famous one. :-/ | |||
PerlJam | xinming: It's the first link in google if he'd done what I said. | ||
eric256 | webmin.. | 16:20 | |
PerlJam thats what i was searching with ;) | |||
xinming | PerlJam: It's what I think when I saw he asked. ;-) | ||
but maybe wrong... :-/ | |||
eric256 | webmin is it. webadmin is something different... i worded my google query slightly different and didn't get that at all. lol | 16:21 | |
xinming | eric256: webmin is correct, I ever used this for over month when I was in BeiJing, But now, I prefer ssh instead. ;-) | 16:24 | |
eric256 | yea but i need to do some stuff i ain good at..i'm hoping it will automate them. ;) | ||
eric256 and FTP don't get along well at all | |||
xinming prefer lftp as client and proftpd-mysql as server. | 16:26 | ||
eric256 | i can't seem to get any FTP setup to actualy work. | ||
i'm just not realy a sysadmin at all. | 16:27 | ||
Khisanth | well ftp has fun issues with firewalls :) | 16:33 | |
theorbtwo | Try both passive and non-passive. | ||
Sometimes only one or the other will work. | |||
FTP is not a good protocol for the age of the NAT. | |||
Khisanth | I don't think either of those will work if both side has a firewall | 16:34 | |
eric256 | its not connecting. its setting up the FTP server. | ||
theorbtwo | Would be likely, Khisanth. | 16:36 | |
HTTP is really a much more sane design. | |||
xinming | hmm, it both are behind the firewall, I'd prefer use http for serving files. | ||
or do some port-map for ftp, But I don't know if it really works though. :-P | 16:37 | ||
for http, just map the firewall 80 port into the server, that's all done.. IMHO | |||
s/it/if/ | 16:38 | ||
theorbtwo | Or any other port, and give the port in the URL. | 16:39 | |
eric256 just needs point and click isntallation of FTP ;) | |||
theorbtwo | FTP tries to use a seperate connections for data and control. | ||
eric256 | or maybe one that installs itself when i mumble an incantation | 16:40 | |
theorbtwo | That means it needs to be able to make another connection like this one, and associate them. HTTP just needs the one. | ||
xinming | in fact, for Unix users, scp isn't not that bad. | ||
theorbtwo | Why do you need ftp for this? | ||
integral | scp eats way more cycles than ftp though | 16:41 | |
eric256 | for this? /me needs it for work. i have a web developer who needs access to the files and be able to FTP them up and down. | ||
xinming | eric256: try svn. ;-) | ||
integral: well, For convience, ssh isn't that bad for the machine nowadays. | 16:42 | ||
eric256 | xinming... doesn't five me what i need i promise | ||
xinming | what does five mean here? >_< | ||
eric256 | s/five/give/ f and g are next to each other ;) | 16:43 | |
theorbtwo | Ah, OK, that makes sense. | 16:44 | |
What is your firewall? | |||
eric256 | this is all on the same network | 16:45 | |
though my lin box seems to have some sort of firewall of its own in place. /me curses | 16:46 | ||
xinming | iptables? ipchains? | ||
Khisanth | tables probably | ||
theorbtwo | Oh. | 16:47 | |
Hm, you said it's not connecting at all, or just not working? | 16:48 | ||
eric256 | iptables | ||
local wget on the machine gets the login page, anything elsewhere times out.. looking for the config for iptables | |||
theorbtwo | You probably need to open up a hole in your firewall. Possibly just get rid of it. | ||
xinming | \ | 16:49 | |
eric256 | yea. /et/csysconfig/iptables found. ;) | ||
Khisanth | well you need 21 open and posssibly some more if you are not using passive, if you are using passive you should probably specify a port range | 16:50 | |
eric256 | now i fi only understood the syntax. lol /me laughs in misery. hehe computers are soo evil | ||
turned off firewall and rejoiced | 16:51 | ||
its behind at least 2 other firewalls anyway....who would need so many firewalls. arg ;) | |||
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geoffb | eric256, defense in depth. | 17:16 | |
geoffb used to be a certified Paranoid Bastard, but now just doesn't have the time for it. | 17:17 | ||
Thankfully, I set up my firewalls will I was still a PB. :-) | |||
Anybody here remember FSP? | 17:18 | ||
theorbtwo | Each firewall is to firewall from different people. | 17:25 | |
The last one to firewall you from everybody else one the network... | 17:26 | ||
eric256 | freaking thing keeps saying invalid login. arg. | 17:38 | |
Khisanth | which server are you using? | 17:39 | |
eric256 | proftpd | ||
Khisanth | and where is it getting the login/pass info from? | ||
eric256 | how do i know? | ||
Khisanth | hmm that should be in the .conf I guess | 17:41 | |
eric256 | yea. it doesn't like running in inetd, but standalone works fine ;) /me rejoices | 17:51 | |
svnbot6 | r7808 | iblech++ | * Usual svn props. | 17:55 | |
r7808 | iblech++ | * t/pugsbugs/class_name_and_attribute_name_confliction.t: More investigation -- | |||
r7808 | iblech++ | the main cause for failing is now clear (look inside the file). | |||
eric256 chears hystericaly | 17:57 | ||
geoffb | :-) | 17:58 | |
pmurias | hi | 18:00 | |
svnbot6 | r7809 | stevan++ | Perl6::ObjectSpace - | ||
r7809 | stevan++ | * added the symbol type, to represent variable names and | |||
r7809 | stevan++ | optionally the assoiciate type | |||
r7809 | stevan++ | * closures now need closure::params instead of list() for | |||
r7809 | stevan++ | its param list, and that list must be made up of symbols | |||
r7809 | stevan++ | instead of strings (which means we get (basic) type | |||
r7809 | stevan++ | checking for free) | |||
r7809 | stevan++ | * hash can now take any type for the key, but it will always | |||
r7809 | stevan++ | stringify that type, and not keep it around (this should be | |||
r7809 | stevan++ | fixed, but is okay for now) | 18:01 | ||
r7809 | stevan++ | * added some more methods to the bootstrap file as well | |||
eric256 | iblech...i'm not sure your right...well i'm not sure your wrong. just when i was testing that example i was doing so with only one set of classes in the file. | ||
hmm iblech isn't here.... | |||
eric256 wishes iblech where here...i just tested it and indeed it breaks even with only one set of classes so i think you might be following a different bug | 18:02 | ||
geoffb | eric256, it's possible he may notice his name went by in iblechbot, but I don't know how careful he is about that | 18:03 | |
xinming | yeap. :-P iblech might misunderstand me. :-P | 18:05 | |
twobitsprite | I'm looking for resources on writing parrot asm, but I'm having a hard time finding an actual list of opcodes... | 18:07 | |
eric256 | www.parrotcode.org/docs/ .. youve probably looked there, but just in case | 18:08 | |
PerlJam | twobitsprite: particularly www.parrotcode.org/docs/ops | ||
oh, I guess that's empty now. | 18:09 | ||
never mind, ignore me. | |||
twobitsprite | yeah, I saw that, but I was confused by the notation... they notate opcodes as opcode(stuff, stuff)... | ||
Limbic_Region | ok - anyone who knows/understand the Makfile.PL about? | 18:10 | |
twobitsprite | PerlJam, no, it's not empty... | ||
PerlJam | mine is. | ||
Limbic_Region | in particular, portability | ||
twobitsprite | well... they list, i.e. the opcode "bnot" in the notation "bnot(inout INT)"... is that the actual syntax? i.e. in my .pasm file, would I say "bnot(inout 4)"? | 18:11 | |
eric256 | maybe compare www.parrotcode.org/examples/pasm.html to the docs so you get a feel for how the documentation works | ||
twobitsprite | eric256, ahh ha... examples! :) | 18:12 | |
thanks | |||
this should keep me busy for a while... | |||
geoffb | twobitsprite, why are you working in raw PASM anyway? | 18:13 | |
eric256 | warning /me doesn't know the difference between PIR, Parrot, PASM and a can of worms. | ||
geoffb | Better to use PIR, for your own sanity. | ||
twobitsprite | geoffb, I just wanted to play with it | ||
geoffb, er... PIR? | 18:14 | ||
geoffb | Hey, if that's your -Ofun, go for it. :-) | ||
PIR == Parrot Intermediate Representation. It's higher-level, on top of PASM. Makes it easier to work with. | |||
eric256 | so for perl6 we've now designed (we in no way including myself. ;) ) 3 languages? PASM,PIR, and Perl6? | ||
Limbic_Region | where higher in higher-level is relative | ||
;-) | |||
geoffb | Hence "higher" in stead of "high". :-) | 18:15 | |
s:3rd/ // | |||
Limbic_Region | ok - so no takers on the portability inquiry of Makefile.PL? | 18:16 | |
geoffb | *la la la la la la la* | ||
twobitsprite | I see | ||
all over the parrot site, they say the best way to help with parrot was to write asm code, to help test, etc... should I instead be using pir? | 18:17 | ||
PerlJam | twobitsprite: WRT your question, no that's not the syntax. you could use "bnot X" or "bnot(X)" where X is one of many things. | ||
geoffb | leo, I think twobitsprite should be talking to you | ||
PerlJam | twobitsprite: IN parameters are for input only, OUT are for output only, and INOUT do both. | ||
twobitsprite: X could be an I-register or a P-register, etc. | 18:18 | ||
leo | here I am | 18:19 | |
pmurias | Is there a short tutorial to perl6? | ||
geoffb | twobitsprite, meet leo. He's the guy you need to be asking about PASM and PIR . . . though he will probably want to take you to the parrot channel first | 18:20 | |
twobitsprite tried the parrot channel, only to find the void | |||
geoffb | twobitsprite, not on this network. irc.perl.org, I think. | 18:21 | |
leo | twobitsprite: #parrot is at pobox | ||
Limbic_Region | twobitsprite - I thought #parrot was on a different network | ||
twobitsprite | I see | ||
eric256 | that. seems silly | ||
leo | irc.pobox.com | ||
geoffb | leo, you might want to become op on #parrot on freenode, just so you can keep a topic in that channel pointing to the correct network | 18:22 | |
leo | I can try that - good idea | ||
eric256 | or we could stick a bot in there. | 18:23 | |
PerlJam | the bot could hang out in #parrotsketch and rely the conversation for readonly access too. | 18:24 | |
:) | |||
geoffb | Take it away, Eric the Orchestra Leader | 18:25 | |
eric256 looks around behind him....damn volunteer traps, i'm always falling into those | 18:26 | ||
geoffb | ... -Onot_fun: porting perfectly decent SQL code to Oracle ... | ||
eric256, heh | |||
pmurias | I'am thinking of writing a 1-2 page tutorial to perl6 for my english assigment , any sugestions? | 18:28 | |
PerlJam | eric256: PoCoIRC is your friend. | ||
pmurias: Is your english assignment to write a technical document? | 18:29 | ||
eric256 | PoCoIRC? will it help me avoid traps? lol | ||
pmurias | Not really?It's just a free topic one :) | ||
geoffb | pmurias, take a look at some of the slideshows . . . doc/talks/ has some | ||
eric256 | lol. /me pictures the tortured look on pmurias' english teacher. | ||
geoffb | :-) | ||
eric256 | is this the, "make the paper so boring she wont read it all" aproach? | 18:30 | |
pmurias | a bit | ||
The point of the assigment is to just write something usefull. | 18:31 | ||
eric256 | i would bet that your teacher doesn't include tutorials, technical manuals, or indexs as "free topic" material. | ||
eric256 doesn't miss the days of writing papers even a little | |||
pmurias | The point was to use engilsh as tool not the objective. | 18:32 | |
So it should be ok. | |||
eric256 | ahhh. interesting teacher and assignment | ||
pmurias | english isn't our native language. | 18:33 | |
geoffb | Yours is pretty good, pmurias | ||
eric256 | ahhh. that makes more since | ||
yea i wouldn't have guessed, obviously. ;) | |||
xerox | 'useful' ;-) | ||
pmurias | It would be usefull to hack ispell into BitchX | 18:34 | |
xerox | Try out Circe :-) | ||
pmurias | How upto date to the perl6 definition is pugs 6.2.10? | 18:38 | |
eric256 | both are moving targets. perl6 isn't anywhere near completly specced out, but pugs keeps very close to the latest decisions on p6 | 18:39 | |
PerlJam | somehow "moving target" seems like a tremendous understatement ;-) | 18:43 | |
eric256 | "implementing perl6 with pugs is like trying to swat a fly with a chop stick" ;) | 18:46 | |
now *thats* a moving target. ;) | |||
pmurias | pugs 6.2.10 isn't hopefully a moving target :) Unless you switch tarballs behinde the scene :) | 18:47 | |
PerlJam | eric256: Didn't you see the Karate Kid? Catching a fly with chop sticks is so easy that Ralph Macchio could do it; swatting one shouldn't be any more difficult! ;-) | 18:50 | |
eric256 | pmurias...while 6.2.10 might not be moving..perl6 certainly is | ||
pmurias | I'm grabbing perl 5.8.7 to compile the latest svn revision. | 18:52 | |
I was just considering useing the 6.2.10 installed on by debian server box... | |||
eric256 scratches his head. what? compile SVN or compile the newest 5.8.7? | |||
pmurias | The latest pugs revision. | 18:54 | |
PerlJam | eric256: he's compiling Perl6::Pugs (or whatever the module name is) with perl 5.8.7 | ||
eric256 | whats that have to do with perl 5.8.7? | ||
pmurias | from the subversion repository | ||
eric256 | ohhhh | ||
PerlJam | (I'm guessing) | ||
pmurias | pugs requires 5.8.1 | ||
and 5.8.0 was included with slackware 9 | 18:55 | ||
eric256 | then why are you grabbing 5.8.7? or you don't have perl at all yet? | ||
ohhh. | |||
PerlJam | why does pugs require 5.8.1? | ||
pmurias | Don't no | 18:56 | |
obra | 5.8.0 was very buggy | ||
pmurias | Makefile.PL used to say it requires 6.0.0 in the error message previously | 18:57 | |
So i was scared off from the source packages untill recently | |||
:) | 18:58 | ||
eric256 | lol | ||
PerlJam | oh well, I'm going to continually be blissfully ignorant of the whole thing as I never use a perl < 5.8.6 these days | 18:59 | |
eric256 | pmurias just get a feather account from Juerd then you can always play with the newest pugs...its recompiled every 15 minutes (if there are changes) | 19:00 | |
ArchDist | anyone have a suggested book on perl for non-programmers/beginners ? | 19:21 | |
geoffb | ArchDist, you may want #perl instead. #perl6 is for development of the Perl 6 compiler | 19:22 | |
Khisanth | learning perl and beginning perl | ||
Limbic_Region | ArchDist - perlmonks.org/index.pl?node_id=284175 | 19:23 | |
perlbot learn perl | |||
perlbot | learn.perl.org/library/beginning_perl/ | ||
ArchDist | geoffb: thanks ! | 19:24 | |
geoffb | In the Perl Training BOF at OSCON Portland, it was pointed out that LP assumes the user programs in some other language already, which the authors freely admitted | ||
ArchDist, np | |||
hmmm . . . | 19:25 | ||
ArchDist | yeah LP is not great for non programmers and perl for dummies sucks | ||
thanks ! | 19:26 | ||
geoffb | perlbot, #perl6 is for development of the Perl 6 compiler; #perl is for general Perl questions and discussion | ||
perlbot | added #perl6 to the database | ||
geoffb | perlbot, tell geoffb about #perl6 | ||
I should have thought of that a long time ago | |||
Anyone know if there's a shorter way to give that command? | 19:27 | ||
Khisanth | which? | 19:28 | |
geoffb | "tell nick about topic" | 19:29 | |
pmurias | Could i get a feather account Juerd ,please? | ||
Khisanth | you could do perlbot #perl6 > geoffb | ||
geoffb | perlbot #perl6 > geoffb | ||
perlbot #perl6 | |||
perlbot | for development of the Perl 6 compiler; #perl is for general Perl questions and discussion | ||
geoffb | It would be nice if it left the leading "#perl6 is" in | 19:30 |
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